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"Not going but have seen them several times in the past, always a fantastic show" Yeah I think this will be my 5th time seeing Nick between solo gigs, Bad Seeds and Grinderman. Big Irish gig was cancelled twice during COVID which was really disappointing. Pre sale went live this morning so I doubt tickets will last long | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine " Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own." Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪" As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply. | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply." BDS are doing what needed to be done in South Africa, we're people wrong to boycott south African goods back then? Is it right what Israel are doing? Slaughtering women children and men just to steal more of THEIR LAND!! | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply." There was a similar issue years back with Paul Simon. He did the Graceland album out of a tour of South Africa, while it was under bds. I love the Album. There is a documentary including interviews with many south African proponents of bds at the time. They get on and agree to disagree. However, one thing must be made clear. The current issue of Israel is on a whole higher level. South Africa managed to come out of Apartheid, and there were many reasons for this, but the BDS movement was a huge factor in it. Yes it was successful then. To say that the BDS movement is not Successful is to ignore available data. EG, Puma has withdrawn its support of Israel sport, many companies profits have been hit, like MacDonalds down 25% etc. Money talks. These things plus more can easily be verified. So it does have an impact. But it's not instantaneous. I disagree with N Cave, but I get him. Like always, I have a love hate mix of emotions with his stuff. The same on his views on Israel. I cannot for one see how any sane individual can condone doing nothing against the mass murder and destruction going on there. I don't believe N Cave condones it either. However the means by which we oppose it, are different. I think it is time for artists to withdraw from the murdering B...RDS whom bomb and kill daily for the last year. | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply. There was a similar issue years back with Paul Simon. He did the Graceland album out of a tour of South Africa, while it was under bds. I love the Album. There is a documentary including interviews with many south African proponents of bds at the time. They get on and agree to disagree. However, one thing must be made clear. The current issue of Israel is on a whole higher level. South Africa managed to come out of Apartheid, and there were many reasons for this, but the BDS movement was a huge factor in it. Yes it was successful then. To say that the BDS movement is not Successful is to ignore available data. EG, Puma has withdrawn its support of Israel sport, many companies profits have been hit, like MacDonalds down 25% etc. Money talks. These things plus more can easily be verified. So it does have an impact. But it's not instantaneous. I disagree with N Cave, but I get him. Like always, I have a love hate mix of emotions with his stuff. The same on his views on Israel. I cannot for one see how any sane individual can condone doing nothing against the mass murder and destruction going on there. I don't believe N Cave condones it either. However the means by which we oppose it, are different. I think it is time for artists to withdraw from the murdering B...RDS whom bomb and kill daily for the last year." 100% right 👏🇵🇸🇮🇪 | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply. There was a similar issue years back with Paul Simon. He did the Graceland album out of a tour of South Africa, while it was under bds. I love the Album. There is a documentary including interviews with many south African proponents of bds at the time. They get on and agree to disagree. However, one thing must be made clear. The current issue of Israel is on a whole higher level. South Africa managed to come out of Apartheid, and there were many reasons for this, but the BDS movement was a huge factor in it. Yes it was successful then. To say that the BDS movement is not Successful is to ignore available data. EG, Puma has withdrawn its support of Israel sport, many companies profits have been hit, like MacDonalds down 25% etc. Money talks. These things plus more can easily be verified. So it does have an impact. But it's not instantaneous. I disagree with N Cave, but I get him. Like always, I have a love hate mix of emotions with his stuff. The same on his views on Israel. I cannot for one see how any sane individual can condone doing nothing against the mass murder and destruction going on there. I don't believe N Cave condones it either. However the means by which we oppose it, are different. I think it is time for artists to withdraw from the murdering B...RDS whom bomb and kill daily for the last year." 🤔... | |||
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"Lots of protests at this id imagine Really, I know he is pro Israeli scum but surely his visit here will be met more with apathy. As for the music, I always thought he was hugely overrated as a songwriter but each to their own. Should be boycotted!!🇵🇸 🇮🇪 As a fan of the darker side of music, I've loved the music of Nick Cave for a long time and feel he's being misunderstood here... As I understand, Nick Cave is not pro Israel, his issue is with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. This movement consists of musicians including Brian Eno and Roger Waters whom Cave feels are bullying musicians into boycotting Israel. According to Cave... "Brian Eno sent me a letter including a list, encouraging me to boycott Israel. I wrote back to him saying, 'I don't like lists, I'm not signing it". In an interview, Cave continues.. "I'm no friend of the government of Israel. I find it difficult to except the idea of using music to punish ordinary people for the acts of their government". Adding.. "I just don't agree with a cultural boycott in general. Mostly because it doesn't even work. It's clearly not working in Israel, at the moment. In my view, it emboldens the very worst aspects of the current government. They exploit this isolationist thing, like 'The whole world is against us. No one will come and play'. I think that it's used to further their nefarious agendas, and at the same time punish ordinary fans". Nick Cave, right to reply. There was a similar issue years back with Paul Simon. He did the Graceland album out of a tour of South Africa, while it was under bds. I love the Album. There is a documentary including interviews with many south African proponents of bds at the time. They get on and agree to disagree. However, one thing must be made clear. The current issue of Israel is on a whole higher level. South Africa managed to come out of Apartheid, and there were many reasons for this, but the BDS movement was a huge factor in it. Yes it was successful then. To say that the BDS movement is not Successful is to ignore available data. EG, Puma has withdrawn its support of Israel sport, many companies profits have been hit, like MacDonalds down 25% etc. Money talks. These things plus more can easily be verified. So it does have an impact. But it's not instantaneous. I disagree with N Cave, but I get him. Like always, I have a love hate mix of emotions with his stuff. The same on his views on Israel. I cannot for one see how any sane individual can condone doing nothing against the mass murder and destruction going on there. I don't believe N Cave condones it either. However the means by which we oppose it, are different. I think it is time for artists to withdraw from the murdering B...RDS whom bomb and kill daily for the last year. 🤔..." I've not been able to find the specific documentary yet, but I'll research further. Certainly if BDS are having that effect, as you say money talks, so if it puts pressure on the Israeli government that's good. | |||
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