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"Is any one watching this on PT. God some people are awful. " Saw it on the news .. Disgusting .. like really | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. " Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Who's the Midlands Couple? " | |||
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"Not sure what are you on about...but...if that is some sort of 'reality' show, then I bet my socks, that this is pure fiction, as are all of those programs. Made for entertainment in order to generate revenue. Just my opinion. " Definitely not fiction but an unfortunate reality for some vulnerable people in desperate situations in Ireland today. Might be worth your while to watch it on Playback. | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. " This crossed my mind... I really hope, but it would be naive to think so, but I hope people like that don't contact me on here | |||
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"Not sure what are you on about...but...if that is some sort of 'reality' show, then I bet my socks, that this is pure fiction, as are all of those programs. Made for entertainment in order to generate revenue. Just my opinion. " Nope. Id watch the show first | |||
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"Is any one watching this on PT. God some people are awful. Saw it on the news .. Disgusting .. like really " It's the manipulation and grooming that's so shockingly normal for them. | |||
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"Not sure what are you on about...but...if that is some sort of 'reality' show, then I bet my socks, that this is pure fiction, as are all of those programs. Made for entertainment in order to generate revenue. Just my opinion. " Ah here!! Watch it man! | |||
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"Not sure what are you on about...but...if that is some sort of 'reality' show, then I bet my socks, that this is pure fiction, as are all of those programs. Made for entertainment in order to generate revenue. Just my opinion. I know what button I hit after reading it Ah here!! Watch it man!" | |||
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"I wouldn't mind make one bj a month instead of paying 600euro for bedroom I shit condition " For 600 you'd want 10 bjs  | |||
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"Im a small player i have been offered sex by 2 different tenants in the past 5 years so the landlords are not always to blame" My ex aupair sorta came on to me too...... Weird | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here " I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?  | |||
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"Not sure what are you on about...but...if that is some sort of 'reality' show, then I bet my socks, that this is pure fiction, as are all of those programs. Made for entertainment in order to generate revenue. Just my opinion. Ah here!! Watch it man!" Now full disclosure... I don't know what this is .... | |||
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"Landlords advertising rooms to rent in exchange for sex instead of money." Ah ff sake I thought it was a case of landlords forcing people who were already paying rent 
Sir Jesus Christ anyone who takes up that offer is making that choice. Thats just like prostitution.
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"No matter what way you turn it,it is illegal. Just bring them into court and jail then. Only way to stop it" Actually....it is not illegal | |||
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"No matter what way you turn it,it is illegal. Just bring them into court and jail then. Only way to stop it Actually....it is not illegal "Really ? | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex? "Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing. | |||
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"Good to expose this, same thing going on with the couch surfing..... One of the commentators made a good point about the naivity of some of the people involved, it's no excuse, but sometimes people don't think through the repercussions of their suggestions. It all goes back to understanding consent, coercion, abusing a dominant position, understanding ethics when someone is vulnerable. Good to highlight it. It reminded me of the dangers of fab, people offering money etc. None of us know the vulnerability or ethics or motives of strangers at the other end of a message. " Well said  | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing."An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar. Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice ! | |||
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" Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing. An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar. Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice ! " I feel like your painting with some very broad strokes there. Not all sex workers are are in a crisis situation and facing the choice between homelesses or having to fuck an unscrupulous landlord to put a roof over their (and maybe their children's) heads. Those that are not in crisis and do have a choice. They say least have have that. The exploitation of the vunerable by the powerful is also happening and there's no amount of sophistry that will make it ok. | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice ! "What a warped way of thinking. You’re equating the seller of a discretionary purchase such as ‘paid for sex’ in return for normal transactional currency - money - with the buyer of a human essential such as shelter, in the form of rent, solicited to pay in a currency they would otherwise never transact in (for income or expenditure) - sex. Unless the accommodation offered is exclusively aimed at sex workers in a barter system, your comparison is shockingly maladjusted thinking. (Even said barter example between sex worker and landlord would only be an acceptable fair scenario, to right thinking people, if it wasn’t a heavily skewed buyer or seller market). | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice ! "One is people exchanging money for sex, the other is a person trying to coerce someone into a sex in exchange for somewhere to live, I’m not sure how you don’t see that….. | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice !
One is people exchanging money for sex, the other is a person trying to coerce someone into a sex in exchange for somewhere to live, I’m not sure how you don’t see that….. "Exactly this and the fact these landlords are praying on vulnerable people...horrific! 
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice !
One is people exchanging money for sex, the other is a person trying to coerce someone into a sex in exchange for somewhere to live, I’m not sure how you don’t see that….. "What if those people are consenting adults and not vulnerable people, someone might see a great opportunity not having to pay rent will make a huge saving ,they would most likely be having sex with someone anyway ,why not with a landlord  | |||
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"No matter what way you turn it,it is illegal. Just bring them into court and jail then. Only way to stop it Actually....it is not illegal "It's completely legal but our amazing minister for justice wants legislation in place to criminalize it | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice !
What a warped way of thinking.
You’re equating the seller of a discretionary purchase such as ‘paid for sex’ in return for normal transactional currency - money - with the buyer of a human essential such as shelter, in the form of rent, solicited to pay in a currency they would otherwise never transact in (for income or expenditure) - sex.
Unless the accommodation offered is exclusively aimed at sex workers in a barter system, your comparison is shockingly maladjusted thinking.
(Even said barter example between sex worker and landlord would only be an acceptable fair scenario, to right thinking people, if it wasn’t a heavily skewed buyer or seller market)."No you are equating those
I'm saying 8n both scenarios its an adult with a choice , choosing to sell sex for something they want !
I'm not getting into individual cases etc as I don't know those details. Neither do you !
What we do know is Noone in ireland needs to have sex against their will for a roof over their head . You may not like the roof you get without the sex , however that is still an option . | |||
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" Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing. An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar. Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice ! I feel like your painting with some very broad strokes there. Not all sex workers are are in a crisis situation and facing the choice between homelesses or having to fuck an unscrupulous landlord to put a roof over their (and maybe their children's) heads. Those that are not in crisis and do have a choice. They say least have have that. The exploitation of the vunerable by the powerful is also happening and there's no amount of sophistry that will make it ok." Noone said all only you ! Everyone has a choice even in crisis . Don't take this as me not feeling for those and thinking these landlords aren't seedy cunts. What I'm saying is it is a choice and to automatically assume or adopt a position of pity for people making that choice compounds their misinformed believe that they have no choice . People don't need pity . People need empower ment and a reminder that there is always another choice . | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice !
One is people exchanging money for sex, the other is a person trying to coerce someone into a sex in exchange for somewhere to live, I’m not sure how you don’t see that….. "The point i made and your choosing to redress in your own way is this . Scenario 1 TWO adults agree to exchange sex for money ( they have other options and fo with this one) Scenario 2 TWO adults agree to exchange sex for rent ( they have other options and go to this) I'm not putting my opinion and/or assumptions of personal situations or justifications in the mix as thats not my place . It may feel to parties in both scenarios, that they have no option , it may not too ! | |||
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""An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar." Not similar at all. Money for sex can be brief, anonymous, once off, no strings attached. Accommodation for sex makes the tenant very vulnerable, and the landlord is in a very powerful position over them. Any landlord that starts with a suggestion like that has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the tenant will be permanently insecure and in fear " So seem as you choose to express your morals as fact, let's flip it for the many that think this way ... Any punter that pays someone for sex has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the person maybe permanently insecure and in fear . | |||
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"No matter what way you turn it,it is illegal. Just bring them into court and jail then. Only way to stop it Actually....it is not illegal
It's completely legal but our amazing minister for justice wants legislation in place to criminalize it "It probably should be ! | |||
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""An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar." Not similar at all. Money for sex can be brief, anonymous, once off, no strings attached. Accommodation for sex makes the tenant very vulnerable, and the landlord is in a very powerful position over them. Any landlord that starts with a suggestion like that has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the tenant will be permanently insecure and in fear So seem as you choose to express your morals as fact, let's flip it for the many that think this way ... Any punter that pays someone for sex has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the person maybe permanently insecure and in fear . " they don't know your name, where you live, or anything about you. Short transaction. You can walk away if you don't like them and never see them again. Not the same when that someone knows where you live, hell, they even have keys to your house ffs. | |||
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"I wonder if the "Midlands couple" have tried any swing sites to find their Ukrainian unicorn. Was really shock by this, wonder if any of them people are on here I'm guessing this is about landlords taking sex as payment for rent? How come according to some people on here this is disgusting yet prostitution isn't when really they are both money for sex?
Sex for money and sex for accommodation are not the same thing.
An adult choosing to accept money for sex
An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex
Seem quite similar.
Before you come back with ... rent crisis etc , most sex workers don't start of with great beginning, however that dosnt make it any less a choice !
What a warped way of thinking.
You’re equating the seller of a discretionary purchase such as ‘paid for sex’ in return for normal transactional currency - money - with the buyer of a human essential such as shelter, in the form of rent, solicited to pay in a currency they would otherwise never transact in (for income or expenditure) - sex.
Unless the accommodation offered is exclusively aimed at sex workers in a barter system, your comparison is shockingly maladjusted thinking.
(Even said barter example between sex worker and landlord would only be an acceptable fair scenario, to right thinking people, if it wasn’t a heavily skewed buyer or seller market)."Fantastic response!! | |||
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""An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar." Not similar at all. Money for sex can be brief, anonymous, once off, no strings attached. Accommodation for sex makes the tenant very vulnerable, and the landlord is in a very powerful position over them. Any landlord that starts with a suggestion like that has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the tenant will be permanently insecure and in fear So seem as you choose to express your morals as fact, let's flip it for the many that think this way ... Any punter that pays someone for sex has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the person maybe permanently insecure and in fear . they don't know your name, where you live, or anything about you. Short transaction. You can walk away if you don't like them and never see them again. Not the same when that someone knows where you live, hell, they even have keys to your house ffs. "We are talking about entering into this agreement by choice ! | |||
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"Just to pick the least awful example of some very questionable examples above. A consenting female adult enters into an agreement with a landlord to exchange accomodation for access to her body. Things go ok for a while. Surprisingly the landlord decides to increase the rent and change the terms of the agreement (who would have imagined). What 'choices' does that woman now have? A man has the keys to her house and the power to make her homeless. What if she wants to stop? Would you equate access to her body with access to her bank account? What is he insists she do it right there and then or else? Do you know what that's called? I feel sick. " Guys your playing out scenarios to suit yourself ... thats just nonsense
There is a poverty crisis and a housing crisis across the world.
Both of these are unfair factors in people making the above choice. The point I am making is that doesn't change the fact that it is a choice. I have a large group of sisters and auntie's just like many others. Not one of them would ever enter into such an agreement and if they did regardless of the circumstances they would still consider it their decision to make.
My point was and is , people make choices in life. We should never automatically drown them in pity assuming that they're being forced into making these choices.
Well placed anger in a system that allows this to be a choice, Yes that can be quite powerful.
Pitting someone on the assumption that they are weak and are being coherced without any choice in the matter, imo is not only belittling and moral signaling. Worse , its is disempowering , assumptive and frankly nieve.
This leaning on fab towards painting somebody who sees things objectively without imparting their own opinion, as the opposite to your opinion or as supporting something you differ on is somewhat ignorant. | |||
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"Just to pick the least awful example of some very questionable examples above. A consenting female adult enters into an agreement with a landlord to exchange accomodation for access to her body. Things go ok for a while. Surprisingly the landlord decides to increase the rent and change the terms of the agreement (who would have imagined). What 'choices' does that woman now have? A man has the keys to her house and the power to make her homeless. What if she wants to stop? Would you equate access to her body with access to her bank account? What is he insists she do it right there and then or else? Do you know what that's called? I feel sick. " The woman has a choice to move , avail of emergency accommodation, contact ghe guards , woman's shelter, friends , charities, sub let , camp , stay on streets, kill him ,,, Like I said above there are choices. That doesn't make the choices easy or fair,however it also dosnt mean they arnt there . India above scenario who have taken all the power from that woman I'm giving it to the landlord in saying he has the power to make her home. She has the power to choose homelessness over sexual abuse or coercion,and other choices . Stop trying to mix awful choices with no choices! | |||
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""An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar." Not similar at all. Money for sex can be brief, anonymous, once off, no strings attached. Accommodation for sex makes the tenant very vulnerable, and the landlord is in a very powerful position over them. Any landlord that starts with a suggestion like that has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the tenant will be permanently insecure and in fear So seem as you choose to express your morals as fact, let's flip it for the many that think this way ... Any punter that pays someone for sex has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the person maybe permanently insecure and in fear . they don't know your name, where you live, or anything about you. Short transaction. You can walk away if you don't like them and never see them again. Not the same when that someone knows where you live, hell, they even have keys to your house ffs.
We are talking about entering into this agreement by choice ! "Choice my fuc#in arse! There's just no point in discussin with some people! | |||
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"When is a choice not a choice? It's easy to make disambiguations from a place of privilege. I don't have anything more to say in this thread." You don't know what my place is at all, All I will say on that is your ill-informed. I know only too well how it feels to live a life where you face only difficulty and feel in your heart you have no other choice . I also know that there is strenght in accepting that you do have a choice , weather governed by morals beliefs responsibilities etc. This doesn't mean that I think it isn't very sad for people to choose this choice and to feel like they have no other option, That wasn't a conversation we were having until some people on this tread implied that just because I stat it's a choice and drowning someone in pity isn't helpful, that i must somehow not feel for people facing such situations. Jessus christ , how quick people are to label eachother on here based on their scewed ability to fill in between the lines . | |||
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""An adult choosing to accept money for sex An adult choosing to accept accommodation for sex Seem quite similar." Not similar at all. Money for sex can be brief, anonymous, once off, no strings attached. Accommodation for sex makes the tenant very vulnerable, and the landlord is in a very powerful position over them. Any landlord that starts with a suggestion like that has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the tenant will be permanently insecure and in fear So seem as you choose to express your morals as fact, let's flip it for the many that think this way ... Any punter that pays someone for sex has no moral compass and god knows what it could lead to as the person maybe permanently insecure and in fear . they don't know your name, where you live, or anything about you. Short transaction. You can walk away if you don't like them and never see them again. Not the same when that someone knows where you live, hell, they even have keys to your house ffs.
We are talking about entering into this agreement by choice !
Choice my fuc#in arse!
There's just no point in discussin with some people!"Clearly your idea of a discussion is to convince somebody of your viewpoint if not they're not we're talking. Nice | |||
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"Perhaps they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to make that choice at all" Absolutely. | |||
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"Perhaps they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to make that choice at all" True, they shouldn't be, is right. Sadly life doesn't go like that for everybody. Life. Mightn't throw some people curvy ball's, where's it'll like rain them down on other people, so to speak. If it didn't life in general would be the same for everybody. | |||
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"Perhaps they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to make that choice at all True, they shouldn't be, is right. Sadly life doesn't go like that for everybody. Life. Mightn't throw some people curvy ball's, where's it'll like rain them down on other people, so to speak. If it didn't life in general would be the same for everybody." I know. I meant its wrong they are being put in the position where they have to choose by someone who sees an opportunity to exploit their situation | |||
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"Perhaps they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to make that choice at all Absolutely. " Genuine question, have you watched the program? | |||
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"Perhaps they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to make that choice at all True, they shouldn't be, is right. Sadly life doesn't go like that for everybody. Life. Mightn't throw some people curvy ball's, where's it'll like rain them down on other people, so to speak. If it didn't life in general would be the same for everybody. I know. I meant its wrong they are being put in the position where they have to choose by someone who sees an opportunity to exploit their situation " Ya,that's true alright. | |||
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