FabSwingers.com forum: Newstalk Today

By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

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By *hilaboutMan
over a year ago

kilkenny

Excellent

Tks for the heads up

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Incoming single male sign ups this afternoon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll stick it on is that Andrea Gilligan's show

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By *aptcola2Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Very good. I will tune in.

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Cheers

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

What time ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On at 12 midday

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

Coming up next!

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

Did I miss it?

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By *ohn1234562020Man
over a year ago

Mid/West Cork

Coming on now

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

"Did I miss it?"

No it's up in a couple of minutes...

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Who's talking

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Youknowwhoiam

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By *iva69Woman
over a year ago

Limerick

Go on Gemma

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By *outheastbyeMan
over a year ago

Waterford

Well done Gemma, have it on in the office here. The conversation is interesting to say the least.

Great interview all x

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By *heLateLateShowMan
over a year ago

Swordz

Well the cats out of the bag, there's going to be some craziness in the next few days/weeks

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By *escrean100Man
over a year ago

North Co Dublin

Here come the fake profiles

Very sexy voice Gemma

Very eloquently spoken!

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By *hapes2000Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Gemma…really good interview. You came across really well and presented the scene with dignity & clarity!

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

"Well the cats out of the bag, there's going to be some craziness in the next few days/weeks"

I was just thinking that. But hopefully some of find what they didn't know they were missing.

Gray and Gemma did really well to represent the community. Good work.

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By *iva69Woman
over a year ago

Limerick

Well done guys. Very good interview

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By *rystalsswingCouple
over a year ago

Galway

Super interview, well done and keep us posted about that new platform

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ?

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By *ohnFKMan
over a year ago

Where the Streets Have No Name

Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

The new men on line has gone into meltdown

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By *andR2019Couple
over a year ago

Nunya

"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ? "

Every club and event we’ve been to it is.

Private parties or meets made from the site is different.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ?

Every club and event we’ve been to it is.

Private parties or meets made from the site is different. "

Ahh .... everyday is a school day . Thanks ...

I 2as kinda wondering if this only refered to clubs/events .

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By *moothride530Man
over a year ago

Dubljn / kildare

Great interview hopefully a few more unicorns join xx

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

"In general good ... "contraception is mandatory" really ? "

I don't see many if any people saying that don't play safe.

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By *aChurchCouple
over a year ago

not near

Have to say I was prepared to be on the edge of my seat when I heard it was going to be on the radio. But well done Petergemma,you did us proud. Very professional,

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

Well done Gemma! Sounded great!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair play, came across really well

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Lads we were on a 12 hour drinking session yesterday with about 25 others from here, even ended up in coppers.

Both did amazing, thanks to Clarity for helping us get the word out. Just so refreshing to get two people on some form of media to talk about the scene who actually know the scene. Not the usual absolute dopes they have on.

Onwards and upwards, thanks for all the kind messages.

This community is so unbelievably special

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You gave a really good interview - great job!

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"You gave a really good interview - great job!"

Thank you

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

xx"

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle "

Living the dream!

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle

Living the dream!

Absolutely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very nice to see the community represented.

Is there any recording one can listen to?

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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago

City Centre

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

xx"

Was just about to say the same haha! Well done, you came across so well and gave a really accurate representation of the scene!

Next up a million new profiles

B xx

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By *ohnFKMan
over a year ago

Where the Streets Have No Name

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle "

Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel!

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By *ewcouplesdCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

Super interview, well done!

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By *hilled sexy guyMan
over a year ago

dublin

Gemma came across really well. So too did Graham. I’d say newstalk got bombarded with messages. Great to hear it on public radio being discussed. D.

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

"Very nice to see the community represented.

Is there any recording one can listen to?"

The Newstalk website has a playback option, but I think it is only when the show is over.

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle

Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel!

That's at least another three hours required in the gym this week so

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By *ohnFKMan
over a year ago

Where the Streets Have No Name

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle

Harlow100 made me a sausage & egg bagel!

That's at least another three hours required in the gym this week so

Howled!

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By *hilled sexy guyMan
over a year ago

dublin

Just read ur post re the session yesterday. Well it didn’t hinder your brain function today guys. Great interviews. Well done.

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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago

City Centre

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle "

Considering the amount of cocktails we consumed yesterday a truckload of KFC is needed

B xx

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By *ynbur69Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

Great show we’ll done

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By *unriseSunsetCouple
over a year ago

all over

Great interviews Gemma and Graham. Really enjoyed two knowledgeable people talking about the scene. S&D. X

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

Great interview!

There is an influx of new accounts already!

Good to get a plug in for your new site and App!

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Great interviews Gemma and Graham. Really enjoyed two knowledgeable people talking about the scene. S&D. X "

Thanks, love you guys xx

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Very well spoken Gemma

The hangover wasn't overly obvious

We just KFC for breakfast.

Rock n Roll lifestyle

Considering the amount of cocktails we consumed yesterday a truckload of KFC is needed

B xx"

It was so nice xx

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

Is it on anywhere to listen now ?

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By *eare_ENVYCouple
over a year ago

City Centre

Thanks everyone. Gemma here. Grey and myself make a good tag team when it comes to articulating and navigating conversations around stigmas and misconceptions about the non monogamous lifestyle we have found ourselves immersed in.

100% contraception is mandatory at events unless expressly agreed otherwise between consenting adults. More awareness should be brought to sexual health. STIs are a fact of life and NOT just from penetration so get tested regularly EVERYONE! It's important to normalise sexual health awareness.

Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. I am so hungover and my KFC came as I was on air. I could smell the feckin zinger burger the whole time, literally hanging.

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By *ngel and EvilCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

Great interview. Well done guys. We listened in Isle of Man before travelling home.

Angel xx

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By *WEIrishBullMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Well done both of you. Excellent interview giving a calm, balanced and professional view.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Lads we were on a 12 hour drinking session yesterday with about 25 others from here, even ended up in coppers.

Onwards and upwards, thanks for all the kind messages.

This community is so unbelievably special

You honestly didn't give off that from your sound ...i had no idea anyway...fair play

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By *ittle Miss PuddlesCouple
over a year ago

Your fantasies

Brilliant articulate interview. Well done Gemma and Grey!

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Very nice to see the community represented.

Is there any recording one can listen to?

The Newstalk website has a playback option, but I think it is only when the show is over."

Yep I think your right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx"

Thanks Gemma - Gray here. Fantastic to enjoy a bitta chat with yourself

Well done.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Thanks everyone. Gemma here. Grey and myself make a good tag team when it comes to articulating and navigating conversations around stigmas and misconceptions about the non monogamous lifestyle we have found ourselves immersed in.

Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. I am so hungover and my KFC came as I was on air. I could smell the feckin zinger burger the whole time, literally hanging.

Ya but the burger was all the better for the wait

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

Fair play to Gemma for standing up and speaking out ..I don't think I would have the nerve to stand up in front of microphone and speake out .

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By *ohng69Man
over a year ago

athenry

"Is it on anywhere to listen now ? "
it's on the newstalk app now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement. I am so hungover and my KFC came as I was on air. I could smell the feckin zinger burger the whole time, literally hanging.

This 'un. All day long.

I didn't wanna say it on air (too graphic) but Gem, as usual, is 100% correct. I've played with people without contraception - cuck fantasies often involve creampies or clean up - but always always always in a club, wrap your fookin' mickey.

Testing is king lads & ladies.

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By *omcat2014rMan
over a year ago

Athlone/Tullamore

Very well done to both speakers..... spoke excellently

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By *andR2019Couple
over a year ago

Nunya

Well done G&G, nice to hear someone finally stick up for the scene in Ireland.

It would have been a lot better if you were giving more time to explain more and maybe have some extra people on to explain their choice for joining in. However I get the show is brief topic and move on to the next.

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By *oy3333Man
over a year ago

lucan

Spoke great well done to all came across professional well educated on the issues , RTE could do with yous as spokes people had all answers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great talk Gemma/Gray,

Ireland as a society really should be more open to swingers and hopefully this has put a positive light on the subject and not continually hiding behind closed doors.

It's a challenge to get a venue that is welcoming to these events and I had a series of socials back in February and March of this year and it was a fantastic success but I will add that I had booked it under a "builders conference"

Link below for anyone that wants to listen back..

https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/swinging-community-in-ireland-be-N2RkNDUzODMwZDRjNmNiODA5MWE4ZmUzZmFmYjUyNjk=

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done G&G, nice to hear someone finally stick up for the scene in Ireland.

Thanks for the kind words... although u was asked about this on Saturday, I'd heard nothing until 10am this morning by way of confirmation...

Very little prep time, even for a 3 minute chat!

I was also cognisant that it was a daytime radio show - so didn't wanna swear or get into graphic deets!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unicorns-threesomes-and-pegasi-irelands-swinging-community-is-very-active-1485513

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ye all know Cork is the real Capitol of swinging though right?

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By *itlbeeCouple
over a year ago

I listened in, and both Grey and Gemma did a fantastic job.

It's not as wild as people assume, it's such a wonderful chill community!

Though can only be expected a that a bunch of single men immediately want to jump on it as a source of easy sex

I think the one thing I would have added is that it's not all parties or private clubs. Plenty of it is exactly like hooking up as a singleton, looking for a new FWBs. We go on dates with couples to gauge chemistry and it feels so much like dating again!

I think that's part of why its not as easy as single men assume. Especially with so many of them! If your having no luck with women in the usual ways, it's unlikely you'll fair much better as a swinger.

Some men who want to get into it expect to walk into a swingers party and treat it like a brothel - just picking out whoever they want. but us ladies have to pick them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some men who want to get into it expect to walk into a swingers party and treat it like a brothel - just picking out whoever they want. but us ladies have to pick them! "

I had this exact thing in my mind to say about single men... but alas... time was short....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well done Gemma and Graham. brilliant interview.i think the presenter just signed up

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

Great job Gemma and Graham and thanks for helping to normalise swinging xxx

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By *huCullainMan
over a year ago

Rathowen

Well done to both of ye. A very good interview and hopefully it helps bring swinging a bit more closer to normality.

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By *ergalMan
over a year ago

East Cork

Off to listen to it there now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heard the interview today sounded a bit cringe tbh

I don't like Andrea Gilligan's show anyway it's rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Heard the interview today sounded a bit cringe tbh

I don't like Andrea Gilligan's show anyway it's rubbish "

I thought it was fantastic and very well put by OP and Co.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Heard the interview today sounded a bit cringe tbh

I don't like Andrea Gilligan's show anyway it's rubbish "

I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for ANY cringe

If you know me, you'd know that's my brand

If you know Gemma, you'd never cringe again once you laid eyes upon her...

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By *TFandMPCouple
over a year ago

Wexford and Dublin

Excellent job guys. You both spoke with great finesse and it was all very positive. Well done Gray and Gemma.

Hopefully for anybody tuning in that is curious about getting involved in the scene, it was a nice little glimpse for them through the porthole and out to the sea of all things swing and ENM.

What a great thing we have going here folks. So many sound people and good times.

Oh and Gemma, your voice sounds even sexier on the radio than in person. Peter - does she speak in her sleep? Hope so!

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Excellent job guys. You both spoke with great finesse and it was all very positive. Well done Gray and Gemma.

Hopefully for anybody tuning in that is curious about getting involved in the scene, it was a nice little glimpse for them through the porthole and out to the sea of all things swing and ENM.

What a great thing we have going here folks. So many sound people and good times.

Oh and Gemma, your voice sounds even sexier on the radio than in person. Peter - does she speak in her sleep? Hope so!

Thanks guys xxx

She doesn't but I do, wait till i tell you the story what i said to her in my sleep last night

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By *educing_EmCouple
over a year ago

Tipperary

Just listened on playback, great interview guys

Em x

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Just listened on playback, great interview guys

Em x"

Thanks, Nice profile, we are gonna need get you to an Envy event

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By *TFandMPCouple
over a year ago

Wexford and Dublin

"Thanks guys xxx

She doesn't but I do, wait till i tell you the story what i said to her in my sleep last night

Ha, can’t wait to hear that one when we see you next! Cocktails and KFC involved by the sounds of it

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By *llthewaysMan
over a year ago

City centre/Naas

I even learned something, never heard of the term dragon or pegasus in that context before.

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By *educing_EmCouple
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Just listened on playback, great interview guys

Em x

Thanks, Nice profile, we are gonna need get you to an Envy event "

Thank you

I'll eventually get the courage to go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking forward to listening to this but it appears Newstalk have messed up the audio on the listen back tool on their site. Anyone else having problems listening?

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

It was however disappointing to hear some judgemental comments regarding attached people who wish to embrace the lifestyle but are not in the happy position of being able to do so with the cooperation and or consent of their life partners.

Respect and non-judgement are surely key elements of the swing lifestyle and it should be left for consenting adults to decide how best to participate in the swing scene as long as they are open about their situation with those they wish to engage with.

Labels are for products not for people.

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By *ollypop9Woman
over a year ago

wouldn't you like to know

Well done to everyone involved.

It was a perfect little reflection of the swinging world.

Delighted that you actually had a decent interviewer, no childish or prudish behaviour, like we seen in other interviews before.

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By *arrot_in_a_boxCouple
over a year ago

kinda dublin

Nice job speaking folks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

I can't speak for Gemma, but I can for myself. Apologies, but if you're in a committed relationship or marriage which was formed upon the supposition of monogamy, and you've decided, unilaterally, to alter the terms of that relationship and enjoy sexual experiences with other people without the consent, knowledge and approval of your partner - then, in common parlance, what you're doing is cheating.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

I'm also sorry you're disappointed with the 3 minute or so interview but allow me to be clear; I'm not an ambassador. I'm not "Mr. Swing". I do not represent the swing community en masse. I am a private individual and my humble opinion is that cheating, although sometimes understandable, is ethically problematic &, for me at least, undesirable.

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so.

Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for.

I have yet to see a justification for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so.

Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for.

I have yet to see a justification for it.

Thank Christ I didn't speak for you

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By *osyRedLipsWoman
over a year ago

Kildare

Two great ambassadors for the lifestyle. Needs to be more open discussions like this rather than news outlets viewing us all as seedy fuckers

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Well done to everyone involved.

It was a perfect little reflection of the swinging world.

Delighted that you actually had a decent interviewer, no childish or prudish behaviour, like we seen in other interviews before."

Ya , I thought the same, Andrea Gilligan, was quite open minded and genuinely wanted to listen to you both.

I think it helped that her inbox was busy with people asking questions and looking for information through the interview!

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By *heekybunnyWoman
over a year ago

Trim

she was brilliant, well done to all

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By *urious4lifeCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

Just caught the tail end of it. Well done guys, you both spoke really well and sounded sexy AF

Half the country will probably sign up now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just caught the tail end of it. Well done guys, you both spoke really well and sounded sexy AF

Half the country will probably sign up now

As was said elsewhere... it's raining low quality men

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By *egsyWoman
over a year ago

Meath

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Unfortunately we will judge cheating partners on here. They are a pariah and rightly so.

Cheating goes against everything that ethical non monogamy stands for.

I have yet to see a justification for it.

Here here, most of us have experienced it and its the worst thing you can do to someone you are supposed to love and care about.

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

How is it consenting adults if your partner is unaware of what you're doing? People cheat for many reasons and coming onto this site where we collectively like to be open and honest with one another and saying this is your lifestyle because your partner doesn't understand your needs or you've a high sex drive and they just don't get it, really puts the kibosh on anything this lifestyle is trying to achieve.

People see comments like this and think well that's what this lifestyle is for. It damages anything positive we are trying to achieve. Knowingly doing something that ultimately would hurt someone you are supposed to protect and love is wrong no matter how high your sex drive is. Consent has to be between everyone.

So while I understand judgement and labels are possibly not what you expected by being 'honest' here, the simple fact is if one half of a couple is unaware or unsupportive and you do it anyway, get your big boy pants on and accept the judgement. You'll ultimately hurt someone with your actions and you're knowingly doing so. Disrespectful to the core of a relationship.

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

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By *rxmrsCouple
over a year ago

Dublin westmeath galway

Great interview Gemma xxx

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By *rokenAngelandTheDivilCouple
over a year ago

Near By

Well done guys, came across very well!

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By *ewadventures2017Couple
over a year ago

some where near

Just listened to it

Well done

Came across very well

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By *ol_ieMan
over a year ago

Dublin west

Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future.

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By *he SophisticatsCouple
over a year ago

Casa Del Fun

"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future."

Or possibly a load of guys pretending to be Unicorns

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future."

Plenty of nice unicorns on here.

However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately.

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future.

Plenty of nice unicorns on here.

However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately."

Couldn't agree more!

Missus

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

So if Andrea has opened a fab account will she get 2 veris to start off with

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By *unny Southeast SocialsCouple
over a year ago

Waterford

Just listened there, great interview

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By *attooYouMan
over a year ago

just about northside

Well done...good interview.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

Fuck yes

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By *eijaWoman
over a year ago

City Centre

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

Here here Gemma very well said and most people in the community will agree with you on this

B xx

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By *urplewings1Woman
over a year ago

Balbriggan

So incredibly well said. Fair play. Was great listening. Well done guys xx

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By *hicotime123Man
over a year ago

dublin

Well done on the interview today Gemma

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By *ardyboy54321Man
over a year ago

Fermanagh

"Lads we were on a 12 hour drinking session yesterday with about 25 others from here, even ended up in coppers.

Onwards and upwards, thanks for all the kind messages.

This community is so unbelievably special

"
Oh yas wanna be culchies

I know a good outlet Pete for a checkshirt

fair play Gemma ya knocked it outa the park

I always knew ya could chat

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By *imonlebangMan
over a year ago

Casa Lebang Bang

Well done today good interview

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By *xstevenxxMan
over a year ago

Ashbourne

Didn’t get to catch it

How can one now here the interview

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Link to the recording was posted earlier

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By *rish_GuyMan
over a year ago

Foxford

I didn't hear it at lunchtime. I went on spotify(for me) & listened it on there.

Well done Gemma, great interview.

I say they had loads of messages about the lifestyle, cause of it.

I had a feeling it could have been longer. At the sametime it could have been long enough. The next thing is will there be a load of newbies soon.

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves.

I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!?

In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved.

Gemma x

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By *OT CHICK75Woman
over a year ago

Carrigaline

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

Girl power

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By *aven an StaceyCouple
over a year ago

Carlow

Well done never seen as many newbies signed up tonight

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By *osyRedLipsWoman
over a year ago

Kildare

"Well done never seen as many newbies signed up tonight "

So many new profiles you guys should get commission

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

The interview was great! I was thinking about the whole scene and one thing I don't think is realised by women outside of the lifestyle is how safe it is and how many women who join seem to naturally gravitate towards the social/party scene because they feel safer than with 1-2-1 meets. Plus it's so much fun, even to just socialise with like-minded people. Mrs

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By *rish_GuyMan
over a year ago

Foxford

"It's difficult to get everything across that you'd like and the interview is just led with questions you have to react to obviously. The questions were well thought out I felt which was a different approach to the normal interviewer tactics so it was easy to portray the overall positive vibe that both myself and Grey wanted to get across the airwaves.

I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!?

In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved.

Gemma x

Ya,true.

Hopefully so, in the future.

Your welcome Gemma.

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By *ORETHANUSCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Well done Gray and Gemma today. Both articulate and clear. Some misconceptions would have been cleared up today and I bet there will be very interesting conversations in sitting rooms all over Ireland tonight. See you soon

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

As you can see by Gemmas comments(as she doesn't use the forum) I am truly lucky to have her by my side. While my straight to point, zero tolerance for nonsense doesn't always go down well here, she is truly one of a kind, smart, sexy, charming and genuinely one of the kindest warmest approachable people you could ever meet. An absolute sweetheart.

The reason I post this is because at an event recently a single girl said to her "You are not what I expected" she refused to elaborate on this point in front of Gem but when Gem had left I said to her, you thought she was going to be up her hole and full of herself. Single girl replied "Ye" so point being, dont ever judge someone on here until you meet them at events.

Pete

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By *exystartersCouple
over a year ago

North Dublin

Great interview guys well done hope to see you soon

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By *onderingpurposeMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Well done. I listened today. It was dealt with openness, honesty and good humour. Feck the begrudgers. Weekly slot on Newstalk required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great interview Gemma came across brilliant xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!?

In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved.

Gemma x

Would you consider a podcast like some of the UK couples have and some I have listened to and loved

Miss tattoo

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By *ed VixenWoman
over a year ago

vixenville

Fantastic well done

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!?

In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved.

Gemma x

Would you consider a podcast like some of the UK couples have and some I have listened to and loved

Miss tattoo"

I think it's definitely something we might consider

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By *rish_GuyMan
over a year ago

Foxford

I do think a whole show could be spent on it and possibly a more regular Q&A presence would be beneficial ... perhaps a future venture!?

In any event, thank you all so much for the generous acceptance of the interview and I do hope it was the positive portrayal this amazing community deserved.

Gemma x

Would you consider a podcast like some of the UK couples have and some I have listened to and loved

Miss tattoo

I think it's definitely something we might consider

Good stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx"

Any link to this online?

Would love to listen back.

Thanks

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By *rish_GuyMan
over a year ago

Foxford

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx

Any link to this online?

Would love to listen back.

Thanks"

You can get it on spotify to listen back to, as the program goes out as a podcast aswell.

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By *umon337Man
over a year ago

Offaly

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By *umon337Man
over a year ago

Offaly

Very good interview overall.

The presenter was genuinely curious and open and Gemma and Grey were confident, informed and really interesting.

Well done!

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

Your failure to include the opening sentence of my original post in your reply, in which I praised both interviewees for the presentation of their views on swinging, was either a copy and paste error on your part or a deliberate attempt at spin. I will leave it up to you to decide which it was.

Because Newstalk had obviously done their research and discovered that attached people engaging in the swing scene without the consent of their partners is a reality the question was asked and both interviewees were quick to criticise and label those individuals. That in my book is judgement.

I appreciate the opinions you expressed on radio and on here are your strongly held beliefs and i support your right to voice them. I trust you would equally support my right as a paid up supporter of this site to post my opinions on here without having judgemental labels assigned to me personally.

I can assure you that I have been at peace with my own situation for longer than you have been active as a swinger so you need have no concerns regarding my having that as a craving whatever else I may desire in my life.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply."

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx"

Look op I certainly didn’t and probably won’t listen too it but having said that fair play too you guys

We came on here too see if it’s for us maybe it is maybe it’s not

We can only try it’s not for everyone a bit like KFC for breakfast

We have always wanted to try McDonald’s but didn’t yet anyway

Well done

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

Way too personal a comment.

And no need to SHOUT.

I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now.

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By *astelloWoman
over a year ago

Far far away

Just listened to it there, well done on presenting it in a clear, open and frank way.

It was a fair and balanced interview IMO.

Well done Gemma and Gray

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

Way too personal a comment.

And no need to SHOUT.

I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now."

Its grand. Give me and everyone else reading here a valid reason to cheat on your life partner.

I will wait....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Count me in for next envy night Gem.. A refreshing interview today that many wouldn't have the balls to do..

Beautiful, professional, intimate, clear cut voice

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Count me in for next envy night Gem.. A refreshing interview today that many wouldn't have the balls to do..

Beautiful, professional, intimate, clear cut voice

Thank you and more than welcome

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

Way too personal a comment.

And no need to SHOUT.

I think we all know your opinion on this matter by now.

Its grand. Give me and everyone else reading here a valid reason to cheat on your life partner.

I will wait...."

Unfortunately for you your wait will be an indefinite one as my reasons for putting my family relationship at risk are strictly personal and not up for publication on this site.

To ask me to do so is in my opinion a breach of the principle of discretion on which membership of this site is fundamentally based.

I don't believe any fair-minded individuals reading this thread would expect me to go into such personal detail and will fully understand my not doing so.

I will now bow out of the discussion suitably chastened.

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

I only listened to part of the interview . I can only say rather you two than me because media interviews are tough , especially when the topic is potentially controversial . You were very impressive .

I think when one is asked for their views , one should express their views ( providing they are not speaking on behalf of an employer for example ). There is no reason for either interviewee to give all potential viewpoints on a topic , especially if they have a clear view on it.

This thread should probably only discuss how Graham and Gemma’s interview was and not be derailed by talking about a topic you will never get a consensus on which has been discussed many many times. If others have different views to Graham and Gemma’s there is nothing stopping them being interviewed or even writing separately to a media outlet to express these .

On a final note there are multiple threads which give complex , multi layered contexts on the controversial topic on which there has been significant debate here . My overall learning from those is

1. It really upsets some people

2. Disclosing personal info becomes problematic even though it can give context to why people do what they do

3. For some people there is no plausible explanation

4. Everyone has their own story . It’s very difficult to judge people when others don’t know what happens behind close doors and what their financial and family commitments are.

5. It’s actually probably best to not continue to discuss it in new threads given how much it has been discussed already . No one’s mind will change and some will behave differently in person to what they state on a forum as with lots of other issues (safe sex for example )….

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By *anandJCouple
over a year ago

Citywest

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By *anandJCouple
over a year ago

Citywest

Well done you Two!

Gemma we are proud of you!

Re single cheating swingers

1) they are not single

2) they are not swinging (are not ethically non monogamous)

3)…

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Well done you Two!

Gemma we are proud of you!

Re single cheating swingers

1) they are not single

2) they are not swinging (are not ethically non monogamous)

3)…"

Thank you xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just listened now.

Well done to both of you. Both represented the swinging community so well. And Gemma. A voice made for radio but a face to match. The late late show next lol

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By *andR2019Couple
over a year ago

Nunya

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

If only there was a like button for comments like this.

We both try and live by an each to their own and no kink shame rule. However cheating on someone with a person or couple who are engaged in an ethical open relationship doesn’t just affect you and the partner you’re disrespecting but drags the actual swingers into the conflict too.

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future.

Plenty of nice unicorns on here.

However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately."

My inbox begs to differ

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By *overs65Couple
over a year ago

mullingar

Just got to listen now,well done guys very eloquently portrayed should give alot of people on the edges a positive view!!

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

In the interest of fairness...

You are judging someone as being unfair , unethical dishonest and harmful , and these judgments are comming from your own moral stance and a typical communal stance ... weather wrong or right ... its a judgment

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Two great ambassadors for the lifestyle. Needs to be more open discussions like this rather than news outlets viewing us all as seedy fuckers "

Exactly... we're not JUST seedy fookers

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview.

Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put .

I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Hopefully a big influx of unicorns over the next few days .

But more likely a load of guys who will be moaning in the forums in a months time that they cant get a meet.

Interesting to hear about new apps in the future.

Plenty of nice unicorns on here.

However, single lads comfortable with couples are the real unicorns on here unfortunately."

Really ? I would have thought that is in abundance????

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Labels are for products not for people.

Hey Sir,

Neither I, nor Gemma, offered ANY judgements upon anyone.

It's unethical, it's harmful, it's dishonest and and it's unfair.

This is the reality.

I offer no judgement, people cheat for many reasons. Sometimes VERY valid reasons. But it's still cheating, and it's still unethical, dishonest and unfair.

What you want us to do is validate and approve of your behaviour, and there's no onus on anyone to do so.

If you're comfortable lying and cheating to your significant other, that's your business, but don't ask me to approve of it or give you some sort of "pass" under the banner of "swinging".

You spoke of respect in your post;

I'm forced to wonder, how much respect are you displaying to your partner by your behaviour?

Take care pal - I hope you find the peace you crave.

BTW the "Hey Sir" opening and "Take care pal" closing in your post in my opinion lowered the tone of an otherwise well crafted reply.

STOP CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE.

Leave her or grow a pair. In 7 years on here I have not seen a single valid reason that its ever acceptable.

Deeming something acceptable or unacceptable for oneself and thus - implying this should be deeming that everyone should see it the same ,is that really the point your trying to make ?

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By *anandJCouple
over a year ago

Citywest

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview.

Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put .

I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some."

Community is characterised by having same definitions of same things… community - no matter how understanding and open- doesn’t have cup accept those who do not share same definitions. Cheating is not ethical.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx

Look op I certainly didn’t and probably won’t listen too it but having said that fair play too you guys

We came on here too see if it’s for us maybe it is maybe it’s not

We can only try it’s not for everyone a bit like KFC for breakfast

We have always wanted to try McDonald’s but didn’t yet anyway

Well done "

God i love you guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good morning,

Gemma will be on Newstalk at lunchtime to talk about the scene.

Lets know what you think of her sexy voice.

Cheers,

Pete xx"

Jeez...only saw this now ..hope it all went well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Excellent presentation by both speakers and an excellent job in promoting the swing lifestyle and this site in particular.

Labels are for products not for people.

Gemma here,

Ethical non monogamy does exactly what it says on the tin.

This opinion is mine.

I think and I may be wrong but I think the point the other poster was making is that they were surprised to hear any judgment calls put in the interview.

Your honesty in making a judgment and reason behind your judgment it's perfectly well put .

I guess the confusion may be coming from the fact that the community advocates acceptance and being non-judgmental , Yet the interview indicates there may be some caviets to this for some.

No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother .

I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ...

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"If anyone says they're a " Swinger " without their spouses knowledge it's cheating ..full stop. Paint it up anyway you want, if you're having sex with someone else without their knowledge ,it's cheating."

I might be wrong, I don't think anyone was saying it's not cheating I think the point being raised was it was surprising to hear Judgment calls being made on cheating in the context of the interview .

I guess a good way to look at it is when Somebody asks You is cheating wrong remember You can Only Answer from your own Perspective. I can't possibly tell you that cheating is wrong for everybody else I can only tell you that all you feel there is never a reason for it.

Dose that make sense?

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By *anandJCouple
over a year ago

Citywest

No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother .

I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ... "

You nailed it. Acceptance of eachother. Eachother.

Emma - rightly so is promoting lifestyle as ethical non monogamy. If someone likes being no ethical - that’s cool just not in same space. If Woolf wears sheep skin it doesn’t make him parting the flock… same way cheaters make no favours to the swingers community. Even more - whole community is stigmatised as being dishonest because of few cheaters. That’s why community has a right and duty to judge those who destroying it from within.

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

Dose that make sense?

I hear what you're saying...but... swingers on this little island already do have a bad rep usually from people who haven't got a clue what swinging actually is and just imagine some endless orgies where everyone just shags everyone all the time while spreading std's and recruiting minors into their demonic ways (anyone who has been around real swingers knows that there is a community of decent, respectful and moral people, who like to live out their fantasies without harming anyone).

If G&G would have said something "oh yes, if you want to cheat on your spouse, come on ahead, we don't judge" - there would have been a huge blow back from vanilla people, especially those who got cheated on.

People who are usually the most vocal about how disgusting, hurtful and wrong cheating is are the very people who have been cheated on. They suffered the consequences of unfaithful partner first hand. They know how bad it hurts. They know how damaging it can be, how it affects future relationships, how through the heartbreak they will have trust issues for the rest of their lives. So yeah, people judge, because you have to be a stone cold, heartless creature not to judge someone who is obviously doing the same thing to their partner that was done to you and broke you apart into a million pieces.

Cheating and cheaters will never be swingers because cheating is not ethical. Breaking hearts and emotionally damaging your SO, a person you knowingly committed yourself just because you have an itch to scratch to is NOT ethical.

Missus

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By *egsyWoman
over a year ago

Meath

Dose that make sense?

Missus "

100% this!

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By *etergemma OP Couple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Brilliantly put Missus.

Xxx

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

No its not ... its characterized bu having say things in common and and an acceptance of eachother .

I think cheating is highly unethical, however I'm open enought to know that those thoughts and beliefs stem from me and shouldn't be imposed on others ...

You nailed it. Acceptance of eachother. Eachother.

Acceptance of each other doesn't mean acceptance of each other providing the act the way you want them to that isn't acceptance.

You're basically saying you have the right to pick and choose who you cast out or allow in to your community-based on your personal morals .

I would wonder if that is community or dictation in sheep's clothing.

Your also getting away from the point... the point being raised as I read it , it its understandable to identify someone as a stereotypical " cheater"

Its no so to judge that person based on your feelings about cheating.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Dose that make sense?

Missus "

I think to be fair your final paragraph sums up the difference between judging and not judging. You believe that everybody who cheats falls into that last paragraph.

I believe that you cannot possibly know that unless you are everybody !and to judge others based on that being a fact, isn't right.

"respectful and moral people"

Surly we can agree that morals are personal and ones morals may not be anothers , however that dosnt make them wrong ?

It seems you are equating someone who may feel morally different about cheating with pedophiles... I know thats not what you mean , however it dose highlight how judgmental and dangerous our words can be .

I think its fine to have rules and an ethical code if thats what you,a group, an organization, a community etc agree on .

To insist all others are wrong just because they are wrong for you, is very judgmental.

My point being and I think maybe the point of the other poster is that what ever you believe if cheating is wrong or not and whatever your moral view is on it, surly its not right to judge others because of this .

Religions have imposed their moral beliefs on others for centuries, and judged and condemned those who have different morals for themselves...

Surly thats not the road to take

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

I genuinely don't know on which planet it is considered moral to lie, cheat, break a heart and betray the trust of a person who you have knowingly committed yourself to (as a whole, the only moral exception to this rule I can think of is if your partner has been in a coma for last 3 months and you don't know if they will ever wake up and you need a distraction, so you're trying to move on with your life).

I genuinely can't see how a community which is already considered immoral by the outsiders would ever be accepted to any kind of norm if they would start saying "oh yes, sure, come on cheat on your partner with us, we don't judge, we will cover for you, fuck your partner, your partner doesn't deserve honesty and basic respect that you give us but don't want to give them"

Bit shitty, don't you think?

I've been a cheater in my my young 20's. My ex found out after we split up for different reasons a few months later and the hurt in his eyes was unbelievable.

I've been with a cheater. It was shit. The hiding, the guilt, having to look into his wife's eyes when she found out. It was horrible.

I've also been cheated on and it was even worse. Every time I'm approached by a cheater I want to puke. Still. Because I know how it feels. That feeling doesn't go away. It comes back over and over and over.

Why on earth would I ever say to anyone "it's okay, cheat away, I won't tell" when I know first hand from all perspectives. They're all shit. The most awful thing I've ever done and especially most awful thing someone done to me.

Why would anyone ever say that it is acceptable or that isn't morally wrong I can't and will never be able to comprehend.

Ethical non monogamy- has a key word in it ETHICAL.

Hurting your significant other, breaking their heart, damaging them for life, giving them trust issues is not and will never be ethical.

Ethical thing to do is communicate with your partner. If communication doesn't work - at least be a decent human being and give them a chance to maybe live for themselves whatever way they want or at finding another relationship that does work for them without attached mental damage of betrayal.

I wouldn't wish to be cheated on my worst enemy.

Missus

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