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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them "So do potatoes | |||
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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them
So do potatoes "Well if they are sprouting I release them lol | |||
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"Have tried and liked their ostrich and kangaroo steaks but reckon they'd be nicer fresh rather than frozen... haven't seen their insect burgers yet...might give em a go...bet they're some buzz lol" | |||
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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them
So do potatoes
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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them "As a beer drinker and bread eater I often consume yeasts....not sure if I've ever had 31 ... must start counting. | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots "Mother of divine mercy
There was me throwing out burgers because of the flies
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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them
As a beer drinker and bread eater I often consume yeasts....not sure if I've ever had 31 ... must start counting. "Omg can’t even blame auto correct as it’s not switched on | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots
Mother of divine mercy
There was me throwing out burgers because of the flies
"Valuable protein!!! #savetheplanet-eatinsects# | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots
Mother of divine mercy
There was me throwing out burgers because of the flies
Valuable protein!!!
#savetheplanet-eatinsects# "Fuck the insects!
Oh wait, no, my penis is too big for that | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots
Mother of divine mercy
There was me throwing out burgers because of the flies
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots
Mother of divine mercy
There was me throwing out burgers because of the flies
Valuable protein!!!
#savetheplanet-eatinsects# "Better yet #suckadickforhunger  | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots "I love Escargots, frogs legs, eels. Ive lived in Africa, do I've eaten lots of wild caught animals, as its served in roadside cafes all over central Africa. While travelling in SE Asia, I was offered roasted black beetles, by my host. Out of politeness I ate them. Tasty enough. I don't like the concept of breeding insects(or any animal) on one continent and exporting to Ireland to feed the starving masses. We have plenty of food in season. | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots
I love Escargots, frogs legs, eels.
Ive lived in Africa, do I've eaten lots of wild caught animals, as its served in roadside cafes all over central Africa. While travelling in SE Asia, I was offered roasted black beetles, by my host. Out of politeness I ate them. Tasty enough. I don't like the concept of breeding insects(or any animal) on one continent and exporting to Ireland to feed the starving masses. We have plenty of food in season. " | |||
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"As a vegetarian of 31 yeasts my motto is if it’s got eyes I’m not eating it , insects do so no chance I’m trying them "What about spring onions?……. | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. " I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too " Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass" No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too "I buy my meat about 500 yards away from my front door from one of my best friends. His cattle eat grass and nothing else | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too
I buy my meat about 500 yards away from my front door from one of my best friends. His cattle eat grass and nothing else"Ask him what they eat mixed in the diet feeder with the silage for the winter ... cause if there bulking up out in the slop ... well that lads farm is clearly at the end of a rainbow  | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too
I buy my meat about 500 yards away from my front door from one of my best friends. His cattle eat grass and nothing else
Ask him what they eat mixed in the diet feeder with the silage for the winter ... cause if there bulking up out in the slop ... well that lads farm is clearly at the end of a rainbow "Eh I have asked him. They are fed on grass. He doesn't have a diet feeder. And yes the end of the rainbow is in cork | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too
I buy my meat about 500 yards away from my front door from one of my best friends. His cattle eat grass and nothing else
Ask him what they eat mixed in the diet feeder with the silage for the winter ... cause if there bulking up out in the slop ... well that lads farm is clearly at the end of a rainbow
Eh I have asked him. They are fed on grass. He doesn't have a diet feeder. And yes the end of the rainbow is in cork "Interesting. What type of cattle does he have, cow's & calves, heifers or bullocks? | |||
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"Dexter herd. Suckler cows. Couple of irish moilie cattle too. Fattens some himself and has few farmers rearing cattle for him. Pays them per kilo gained. Am seriously considering getting few off him next year. Would be more into the horticulture side of farming myself tho" O right. That's interesting to know aswell. He must out winter them on winterage/commanage over the winter? Not to many farmer's do contract raring for suckler farmer's. It's usually done with Dairy farmer's. Nothing wrong with getting a few of them yourself alright. As long as you've everything sorted out on your side of thing's. | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. " O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. | |||
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"Has anyone tried Lidl's (or any other supermarket's) insect burger? If not - would you? €2.99 for 2 - can't go wrong, right?
If so - what was it like?
What is the most outrageous food you have (knowingly) eaten?
For the record, I haven't tried the patties and have no intention but I do love me some escargots "Love eating a beautiful thing that contains no calories..in fact you can eat all you like and not have to worry about one calorie.. ..and it's absolutely beautiful. | |||
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"Really don't know how to feel about the bug burgers "You'll get used to it - them little critters will be in everything soon | |||
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"Hmm... would never ever touch any insect food. Hate bugs. More exotic things I've eaten and would eat again are: Boiled fish eyes, chicken hearts, chicken stomachs, chicken feet, eel, carp, pork legs, cows head, pigs ears, dried fish (raw), raw mackerel carpacio, shark... Missus" Frantically trys to remember have I ever kissed you on the lips | |||
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in fairness I think some people have had worse in their mouth at some time or another!
And To sound like a gap year wanker I tried the deep fried crickets and tarantula when I was travelling south east Asia…. Crunchy… could have been anything in batter really | |||
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"Are the bugs raised in ireland or imported? The soy definitely isn't grown in ireland. Most likely south American and probably GMO soy. I'll be eating irish grass fed organic beef burger with irish locally sourced organic veg or veg from my own garden. I have eaten irish escargot before. I'm pretty sure that only some eu gm foods can be sold in ireland . Also our grass fed animals also have a gm supplementary feeds from all over the world too Conventionally farmed ones yes, not organically farmed cattle. Grass fed organic cattle only get grass No they don't... they get grain . Beetpulp .. sometimes yest amoung others .. granted they are mostly organically grown too
I buy my meat about 500 yards away from my front door from one of my best friends. His cattle eat grass and nothing else
Ask him what they eat mixed in the diet feeder with the silage for the winter ... cause if there bulking up out in the slop ... well that lads farm is clearly at the end of a rainbow
Eh I have asked him. They are fed on grass. He doesn't have a diet feeder. And yes the end of the rainbow is in cork "Okeydokey | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter." Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? | |||
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"Hmm... would never ever touch any insect food. Hate bugs. More exotic things I've eaten and would eat again are: Boiled fish eyes, chicken hearts, chicken stomachs, chicken feet, eel, carp, pork legs, cows head, pigs ears, dried fish (raw), raw mackerel carpacio, shark... Missus" That's pretty out there
I think they're things I'd probably give a try too | |||
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" in fairness I think some people have had worse in their mouth at some time or another!
And To sound like a gap year wanker I tried the deep fried crickets and tarantula when I was travelling south east Asia…. Crunchy… could have been anything in batter really "Agreed on the first bit
My uncle recently told me similar with regards to trying some type of bug somewhere exotic and said it wasn't bad.
But I don't think I can get on board with the westernised version in Lidl | |||
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"Not sure if I've ever tried anything to out there ... made chicken blood pudding Some insects Live maggots ( stupid)
McDonald's "Now go and do some homework by buying them Lidl bug patties and report back - can't be any worse than the aforementioned | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? " Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter. | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter." Why are the majority kept in, given its more expensive and labour? | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter. Why are the majority kept in, given its more expensive and labour?" It's more (connivance) to have them housed for the winter. Alot of farmer's have off farm job's aswell. Also Europe got involved in someway aswell, if I remember rightly. It's really in the last 10 or so year's that the expense side of thing's went mad. Labour is down to the set up of the farm, whatever time of the year it is. Alot of farmer's relied on family members or (neibours) for help. They're not helping out anymore. Them farmer's never invested in the farm to help make life easier for themselves or the people that was helping them. They're struggling to keep on top of thing's. Some of them wouldn't give that they need help or they're not able to do it anymore. Farming is gone to a 1 person operation, no matter how big or small the farm is, so to speak. Some farm's are so big they need help. Alot of farmer's wouldn't pay a person to work for them. Aswell as some of them are to mouthy towards other people. | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter. Why are the majority kept in, given its more expensive and labour? It's more (connivance) to have them housed for the winter. Alot of farmer's have off farm job's aswell. Also Europe got involved in someway aswell, if I remember rightly. It's really in the last 10 or so year's that the expense side of thing's went mad. Labour is down to the set up of the farm, whatever time of the year it is. Alot of farmer's relied on family members or (neibours) for help. They're not helping out anymore. Them farmer's never invested in the farm to help make life easier for themselves or the people that was helping them. They're struggling to keep on top of thing's. Some of them wouldn't give that they need help or they're not able to do it anymore. Farming is gone to a 1 person operation, no matter how big or small the farm is, so to speak. Some farm's are so big they need help. Alot of farmer's wouldn't pay a person to work for them. Aswell as some of them are to mouthy towards other people. " What ? Cattle have been wintered on silage mix for decades and its much more work that keeping th out
What has mouthy farmers got to do with keeping in or out over winter 
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"If the back faces heaven. Then eat it Dogs cats rats babies "Ah sure look.. | |||
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Ah sure look.. "Isn't that it | |||
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"If the back faces heaven. Then eat it Dogs cats rats babies "It's a Chinese saying. Dogs are actually meant to be quite tasty, there's some far Eastern delicacy that involves rats, I'm not sure what it's called. Babies are probably the exception that proves the rule , but who knows. | |||
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"If the back faces heaven. Then eat it Dogs cats rats babies
It's a Chinese saying. Dogs are actually meant to be quite tasty, there's some far Eastern delicacy that involves rats, I'm not sure what it's called.
Babies are probably the exception that proves the rule , but who knows."Well ... I rekon following the Chinese lead might not be advisable | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter. Why are the majority kept in, given its more expensive and labour? It's more (connivance) to have them housed for the winter. Alot of farmer's have off farm job's aswell. Also Europe got involved in someway aswell, if I remember rightly. It's really in the last 10 or so year's that the expense side of thing's went mad. Labour is down to the set up of the farm, whatever time of the year it is. Alot of farmer's relied on family members or (neibours) for help. They're not helping out anymore. Them farmer's never invested in the farm to help make life easier for themselves or the people that was helping them. They're struggling to keep on top of thing's. Some of them wouldn't give that they need help or they're not able to do it anymore. Farming is gone to a 1 person operation, no matter how big or small the farm is, so to speak. Some farm's are so big they need help. Alot of farmer's wouldn't pay a person to work for them. Aswell as some of them are to mouthy towards other people. What ? Cattle have been wintered on silage mix for decades and its much more work that keeping th out
What has mouthy farmers got to do with keeping in or out over winter
Are you alright? "We're on about 2 different thing's, so to speak. As in silage & silage mix, as far as I can see. People class silage mix as silage in a diet feeder,mixed with different cereals & feed to cattle all as 1. I'm not,I'm on about playen silage, there maybe nuts or crouch given aswell to the cattle in a different place or on top of the silage, NOT MIXED. Silage has been made about 40 year's or more in this Country, as far as I know. Are you a farmer? Do you have a diet feeder? You & all the farmer's around you might have diet feeder. If so ye're/they're very privileged farmer's. They're loads of farmer's that don't have a diet feeder. They don't even have a loader on there tractor. Some of them wouldn't even have a bale splitter or shear grab, unless they have a pit of silage. All they'll have is a bale carrier & a fork, for the silage bales. Some farmer's mightn't even have their cattle in & be giving them silage outside in the field. Have you feeded any cattle in them case's, that don't involve a diet feeder? I have, so I know what I'm talking about. With you asking that question, it's clear to me that you didn't read, what I wrote rightly & fully. Even doe, you'll say that you did. As if you did, you'd have seen in the last few lines. What I was talking about in the way of mouthy farmer's & getting people to work for them or help them. It didn't say anything about weather the cattle are in or out over the winter. Do you or would you work or help a farmer, that's always mouthing at you? If you would, your a very rare breed. To answer your other question, I'm not alright, I'm half left. What about yourself? | |||
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"He does if the winters not very bad. They are smaller so don't do much damage and are very hardy too. O right. They'll keep flesh on over the winter while out wintered. Ya, if the weather is bad, it can be hard work alright. Ya,that's true, they're smaller, than other breeds & ya easier on ground during the winter. Really ... how do you fatten em outside in winter ? Plane & simple grass. If cattle are on winterage grass for the winter. They'll keep flesh on them, that they've put on over the summer & some even put more flesh on, while on winterage over the winter. They're healthier outside. While cattle that's housed for the winter, can lose flesh & go backwards, so to speak. It depends on the quality of silage & meal they're eating over the winter. Why are the majority kept in, given its more expensive and labour? It's more (connivance) to have them housed for the winter. Alot of farmer's have off farm job's aswell. Also Europe got involved in someway aswell, if I remember rightly. It's really in the last 10 or so year's that the expense side of thing's went mad. Labour is down to the set up of the farm, whatever time of the year it is. Alot of farmer's relied on family members or (neibours) for help. They're not helping out anymore. Them farmer's never invested in the farm to help make life easier for themselves or the people that was helping them. They're struggling to keep on top of thing's. Some of them wouldn't give that they need help or they're not able to do it anymore. Farming is gone to a 1 person operation, no matter how big or small the farm is, so to speak. Some farm's are so big they need help. Alot of farmer's wouldn't pay a person to work for them. Aswell as some of them are to mouthy towards other people. What ? Cattle have been wintered on silage mix for decades and its much more work that keeping th out
What has mouthy farmers got to do with keeping in or out over winter
Are you alright?
We're on about 2 different thing's, so to speak. As in silage & silage mix, as far as I can see. People class silage mix as silage in a diet feeder,mixed with different cereals & feed to cattle all as 1. I'm not,I'm on about playen silage, there maybe nuts or crouch given aswell to the cattle in a different place or on top of the silage, NOT MIXED. Silage has been made about 40 year's or more in this Country, as far as I know.
Are you a farmer? Do you have a diet feeder?
You & all the farmer's around you might have diet feeder. If so ye're/they're very privileged farmer's. They're loads of farmer's that don't have a diet feeder. They don't even have a loader on there tractor. Some of them wouldn't even have a bale splitter or shear grab, unless they have a pit of silage. All they'll have is a bale carrier & a fork, for the silage bales. Some farmer's mightn't even have their cattle in & be giving them silage outside in the field.
Have you feeded any cattle in them case's, that don't involve a diet feeder?
I have, so I know what I'm talking about.
With you asking that question, it's clear to me that you didn't read, what I wrote rightly & fully. Even doe, you'll say that you did. As if you did, you'd have seen in the last few lines. What I was talking about in the way of mouthy farmer's & getting people to work for them or help them. It didn't say anything about weather the cattle are in or out over the winter.
Do you or would you work or help a farmer, that's always mouthing at you? If you would, your a very rare breed.
To answer your other question, I'm not alright, I'm half left.
What about yourself? " wtf are you on about!
We are talking about wintering in or out !!!! You seem to think wintering out dosnt happen because it's more expensive... I think your loosing it mate . | |||
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