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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them." I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. " There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination "  | |||
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 the same vitriol is not thrown at bi women who are put on a pedestal around here. | |||
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"Biphobia against bi men is rampant on fab which leads a lot of men to hide their sexuality rather than deal with the nasty comments. Shockingly the same vitriol is not thrown at bi women who are put on a pedestal around here. "Yet another one of the double standards | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee " There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence  | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination " There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence "YES! That or they're afraid that bi/gay men will treat them like straight men treat women. | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence
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That or they're afraid that bi/gay men will treat them like straight men treat women.
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. " There's a higher level of Sti diagnosis in MSM, this could however be down to greater awareness of the importance of testing (and a lower level of denial). I don't need a test because I'm "clean and hygiene and always use a condom" seems to be a common attitude among swingers - that and "I'm careful who I have sex with", as if you know their sexual history and that of the other people they had sex with etc etc | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence
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That or they're afraid that bi/gay men will treat them like straight men treat women.
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them." What poor behavior? | |||
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"Can't say I've really noticed gay or bi men being treated any differently here in the forums. Beyond that I've no idea as I'm neither. I don't think I've ever read a thread from a gay man complaining about his experience but that could be because the majority are on fabguys rather than here. For every bi man that has complained about negativity on profiles etc there have been just as many claiming they have never experienced anything like that. It's more than possible the reason some people won't meet a particular individual has nothing to do with them being bi and could be about something else completely." Some profiles state no bi men | |||
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"Biphobia against bi men is rampant on fab which leads a lot of men to hide their sexuality rather than deal with the nasty comments. Shockingly the same vitriol is not thrown at bi women who are put on a pedestal around here. "Very true
Also people can't seem to accept the fact that many men see themselves as straight and play with cocktail for notting more than sexual pleasure and/or because they can get it ! | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence " | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee There’s also a shocking amount of men who believe they’re irresistible and that a bi/gay man couldn’t possibly control themselves if they allowed them in their presence
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That or they're afraid that bi/gay men will treat them like straight men treat women.
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. What poor behavior? " Continually messaging straight guys for sex even after being told they arent interested is the most common issue I've experienced. | |||
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"Biphobia against bi men is rampant on fab which leads a lot of men to hide their sexuality rather than deal with the nasty comments. Shockingly the same vitriol is not thrown at bi women who are put on a pedestal around here. "Its not rocket science. You are more likely to catch an Sti from a Gay or Bi man. Also, most of the Hiv cases that are being reported are coming from that community. The data is easily available. This is not biphobia its a fact. | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee " Some of the most prominent well known straight guys on here have been known to be at very least bi curious... | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. There's a higher level of Sti diagnosis in MSM, this could however be down to greater awareness of the importance of testing (and a lower level of denial). I don't need a test because I'm "clean and hygiene and always use a condom" seems to be a common attitude among swingers - that and "I'm careful who I have sex with", as if you know their sexual history and that of the other people they had sex with etc etc " This exactly…bi and gay men are far more likely to be tested regularly and more aware of their sexual health which leads to higher rates of diagnosis. A lot of people don’t seem to understand this. | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. There's a higher level of Sti diagnosis in MSM, this could however be down to greater awareness of the importance of testing (and a lower level of denial). I don't need a test because I'm "clean and hygiene and always use a condom" seems to be a common attitude among swingers - that and "I'm careful who I have sex with", as if you know their sexual history and that of the other people they had sex with etc etc This exactly…bi and gay men are far more likely to be tested regularly and more aware of their sexual health which leads to higher rates of diagnosis. A lot of people don’t seem to understand this. " So really everyone should be looking for them as there safer  | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. There's a higher level of Sti diagnosis in MSM, this could however be down to greater awareness of the importance of testing (and a lower level of denial). I don't need a test because I'm "clean and hygiene and always use a condom" seems to be a common attitude among swingers - that and "I'm careful who I have sex with", as if you know their sexual history and that of the other people they had sex with etc etc This exactly…bi and gay men are far more likely to be tested regularly and more aware of their sexual health which leads to higher rates of diagnosis. A lot of people don’t seem to understand this. " Lets just ignore the data available because straight people dont get tested as often. Most people are only afraid of one particular STI and its the one that's primarily associated with Gay men for obvious reasons. You are 20 times more likely to catch it from MSM than a heterosexual act. Yes, that's 20 times. Logic and fact goes out the window sometimes | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right?" No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense." Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices" It's thankfully not prejudiced or phobic if you are looking at facts. But choose ignore them all you want for whatever agenda some people have on this thread. | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices It's thankfully not prejudiced or phobic if you are looking at facts. But choose ignore them all you want for whatever agenda some people have on this thread. " Agree with you there alright | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices It's thankfully not prejudiced or phobic if you are looking at facts. But choose ignore them all you want for whatever agenda some people have on this thread. Agree with you there alright "I think I won this one
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices It's thankfully not prejudiced or phobic if you are looking at facts. But choose ignore them all you want for whatever agenda some people have on this thread. Agree with you there alright
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense." A lot of bi / gay men don't partake in it either so does that change the data....is it even recorded I'm assuming on this that you have the data or know where its published as I havent a clue where to be honest | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts" Facts like heterosexual couples have anal sex as often as gay couples. And heterosexual couples dont get tested as often as gay couples. Or perhaps, gay people are more inclined to be single and therefore have sex more often with multiple partners(i am speculating here with absolutely no facts involved just like the previous two points) | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. A lot of bi / gay men don't partake in it either so does that change the data....is it even recorded I'm assuming on this that you have the data or know where its published as I havent a clue where to be honest " A simple search on google will bring up information from numerous sources. | |||
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"I wonder how many gay men agree with this post... considering that its been created by a none gay man seems pretty presumptuous.. " Sure threads can be created by anyone. That's the beauty of the forums | |||
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"Just curious to know why gay and bisexual men seem to get shunted on here. I'm all for Personal preference, and it's always cool to say that's not my thing. But why so much hate towards the bi and gay men? I know so many people that feel as if they gotta hide verifications or lie about past experiences. We are both very LBGT positive, and thought that fab was as well. No offense intended just genuinely curious where this comes from, sometimes it's like bi fellas get judged really fucking harshly here, we think that's really not on. So what's the story with it?" I've really not experienced so much bad treatment. I've seen the couples profiles with all the ' male is not bi and does not want contact with other men' And not meeting bi males etc. But ice had messages and met these couples too... the males certainly did like the bi stuff then! Maybe they just do not want to admit it on a profile. | |||
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"I think it's partly because of the poor behaviour by some guy/ bi men here, and partly due to discrimination against them. I wouldn’t say there is a deliberate discrimination. It’s more of a response to hundreds of guys who ask for sexual favours while pretending to be straight. There is definitely discrimination..... and discrimination doesn't need to be deliberate to be discrimination There definitively is discrimination of bi guys on here. I think it's mainly because men having sex with men is a higher risk std group. That leads to the perception that all bi guys engage in risky sex and are std riddled. Ironically swingers/fabbers form a higher risk std group by themselves, the idea is by avoiding bi guys you reduce the std risk. An other reason seems to be the perception that bi men are less manly. There's a higher level of Sti diagnosis in MSM, this could however be down to greater awareness of the importance of testing (and a lower level of denial). I don't need a test because I'm "clean and hygiene and always use a condom" seems to be a common attitude among swingers - that and "I'm careful who I have sex with", as if you know their sexual history and that of the other people they had sex with etc etc This exactly…bi and gay men are far more likely to be tested regularly and more aware of their sexual health which leads to higher rates of diagnosis. A lot of people don’t seem to understand this. Lets just ignore the data available because straight people dont get tested as often. Most people are only afraid of one particular STI and its the one that's primarily associated with Gay men for obvious reasons. You are 20 times more likely to catch it from MSM than a heterosexual act. Yes, that's 20 times. Logic and fact goes out the window sometimes "Honestly I don't think most people are afraid of hiv or even thing much about catching it because of its rarity to most lives , infact i would wager most don't even consider it much . The focus is more on std like gonorrhea uti crabs genital warts etc . | |||
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"You are aware that anal sex isn't just a homosexual act right? No way! A lot of couples dont actually partake in that. Again, people look up the data instead of spinning some nonsense. Judging from the general level of ignorance about STIs, I seriously doubt this. Instead, people are happy to run with age-old prejudices It's thankfully not prejudiced or phobic if you are looking at facts. But choose ignore them all you want for whatever agenda some people have on this thread. " I'd say you might need to relook at those facts National Survey of Sexual Attitudes research undertaken in Britain has found that the proportion of 16- to 24-year-olds engaging in heterosexual anal intercourse has risen from 12.5% to 28.5% over recent decades. Similarly, in the US 30% to 45% of both sexes have experienced it. | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts" One of the same surly ... thats whats ment by statically factual no ? | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee Some of the most prominent well known straight guys on here have been known to be at very least bi curious..." So aren't they more of a risk than a man that admits it on his bio then | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee Some of the most prominent well known straight guys on here have been known to be at very least bi curious... So aren't they more of a risk than a man that admits it on his bio then " Absolutely. Heres the thing. There's a big demand for bi guys actually on here, a lot of women are actually into watching it. I know so many ladies that are mad to be involved in a bi 3sum, if some of the lads were more honest they would probably be better for community. But again, I will contradict myself, there's definitely a level of bi phobia with some couples, they might catch the gay like...  | |||
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"My opinion as a bi man.... Its probably because they assume that if men lie about being bi then they probably lie about safe sex too and sure all the bi/ gay men are riding the hole of each other ( they're not) Its not just straight men that get messages from fab straight men offering blow jobs ....I've had 5 such messages overnight and none of them from bi men....all straight men,all late at night when the horn hits them so maybe couples get the same and they're pissed off. Do people write that they don't mind crossing swords or being in close contact with other dicks so that other profiles dont think they're bi I have never experienced anyone ever saying to me that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole because I'm bi ( for lots of other reasons maybe ) Its a preference for some ....move all....lots more on here than that. Actually something I have noticed twice in the last week Certain male profiles complaining about men offering sex and making jokes about gay men Then having the same username on fabguys ....do better than that lads ffs I need a coffee Some of the most prominent well known straight guys on here have been known to be at very least bi curious... So aren't they more of a risk than a man that admits it on his bio then Absolutely. Heres the thing. There's a big demand for bi guys actually on here, a lot of women are actually into watching it. I know so many ladies that are mad to be involved in a bi 3sum, if some of the lads were more honest they would probably be better for community. But again, I will contradict myself, there's definitely a level of bi phobia with some couples, they might catch the gay like... "Feel free to send one or two of those interested women my way
As a bi man on here I've had a grand total of three positive interactions about being bi. Genuinely can't count the number of negative interactions I've had. Sometimes it's a simple "no bi guys, we're not interested." Which is grand, no problems whatsoever. But fairly often you'll get hit with abuse cos MF couples in particular seem to think that a bi guy is only interested in the male part of the couple. Which is incredibly rare cos there's plenty of MM couples on here that would be happy to share a third in comparison to a MF couple looking for a second Male | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts One of the same surly ... thats whats ment by statically factual no ? "Ah here, you're more intelligent than that | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts One of the same surly ... thats whats ment by statically factual no ?
Ah here, you're more intelligent than that "statistics are facts.. Unless they're made up and then they're not statistics. What do you think statistics are? | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts One of the same surly ... thats whats ment by statically factual no ?
Ah here, you're more intelligent than that "First rule of trying to belittle others is to make sure you are actually right Statistics are facts which are obtained from analyzing information expressed in numbers I can't believe you're even disputing this | |||
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"There are also a number of women and couples who prefer bi men. My overall experience of being bi on here is that it’s a plus " Send em my way  | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts "Ever hear of context? | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?"Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ? | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ? "I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth. | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth."Thats not the same as saying statistics arnt facts ...
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth."Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative. "Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics" | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth.
Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative.
"Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics""On the contrary. When you draw conclusions from the numbers (stats) you can infer facts . However I think what some are trying to get at is that statistical facts don't take in contextual parameters... That dosnt make a statistic any less a fact . More importantly it certainly dosnt make an opinion based on an interpretation of some sort of context anywhere close to being a fact . | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth.
Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative.
"Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics"
On the contrary. When you draw conclusions from the numbers (stats) you can infer facts .
However I think what some are trying to get at is that statistical facts don't take in contextual parameters...
That dosnt make a statistic any less a fact . More importantly it certainly dosnt make an opinion based on an interpretation of some sort of context anywhere close to being a fact .
"Sorry I'm not right . I should say when you accept the conclusion of stats, you can infer or maybe a better way to put it is, you can gather the facts . | |||
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"Never seen any hate directed to gay or bi men on fab. Are we naive or blind? We’ve seen disparaging remarks about ‘fab straight’ men, but didn’t think this was hateful or aimed at openly gay or bi men; more a mockery of needless closetry on an anonymous non-discriminatory site that’s centred on liberal sexual practices." This. | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth.
Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative.
"Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics"
On the contrary. When you draw conclusions from the numbers (stats) you can infer facts .
However I think what some are trying to get at is that statistical facts don't take in contextual parameters...
That dosnt make a statistic any less a fact . More importantly it certainly dosnt make an opinion based on an interpretation of some sort of context anywhere close to being a fact .
Sorry I'm not right .
I should say when you accept the conclusion of stats, you can infer or maybe a better way to put it is, you can gather the facts . "Partly true. Stats are a great tool however to get a correct basis you need to look at how said stats were gathered (the method used, how the sample group was selected, preduice of the person gathering the data etc etc) There has been research carried out over the years where people have on purpose turned the methods in effort to confirm their opinions. Confirmation bias I think it was called if memory serves me right (it's been 15 since I did statistical analysis) | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth.
Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative.
"Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics"
On the contrary. When you draw conclusions from the numbers (stats) you can infer facts .
However I think what some are trying to get at is that statistical facts don't take in contextual parameters...
That dosnt make a statistic any less a fact . More importantly it certainly dosnt make an opinion based on an interpretation of some sort of context anywhere close to being a fact .
Sorry I'm not right .
I should say when you accept the conclusion of stats, you can infer or maybe a better way to put it is, you can gather the facts . "My point is, and I think what others are saying, that statistics only present the facts they want you to see. It's why context is important, and why the statistics presented are not always the full picture or, if you like, the whole truth | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts Maybe try not confuse opinion with facts
Ever hear of context?
Absolutely... you believe context negates the need for a fact to be factually based ?
I believe numbers need to be viewed in an overall context rather than merely accepted as a whole truth.
Indeed. Whilst statistics are derived from facts, they can be presented in such a way that can confirm bias or suit a certain narrative.
"Statistics is a science that involves analyzing facts. Facts are realities without arguments and false representations. When you collect several facts and then draw conclusions from them, you are creating statistics"
On the contrary. When you draw conclusions from the numbers (stats) you can infer facts .
However I think what some are trying to get at is that statistical facts don't take in contextual parameters...
That dosnt make a statistic any less a fact . More importantly it certainly dosnt make an opinion based on an interpretation of some sort of context anywhere close to being a fact .
Sorry I'm not right .
I should say when you accept the conclusion of stats, you can infer or maybe a better way to put it is, you can gather the facts .
Partly true. Stats are a great tool however to get a correct basis you need to look at how said stats were gathered (the method used, how the sample group was selected, preduice of the person gathering the data etc etc)
There has been research carried out over the years where people have on purpose turned the methods in effort to confirm their opinions. Confirmation bias I think it was called if memory serves me right (it's been 15 since I did statistical analysis)"Agree yet given the topic is sti etc id imagine if the numbers were unbiased it would mean people underreported their sti . Maybe | |||
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"I am a straight guy I don't have any issues playing with a couple with a bi male once they respect the fact that I am straight and to be fair the ones who are open about being bi do. Its the assholes how claim to be straight and them try playing with me is what I have an issue with ."
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"Sounds like alternative facts there Kelly.. You can spout on about statistics or surveys or what not but the data around Hiv and bi men is pretty accurate. The numbers do not lie regarding the infections every year. Bogman, _itemeagain and the rest of the bi / bicurious men who have replied to the comments on here, thank you for questioning some of the responses and not just accusing me of being bi phobic. Its much appreciated.." Are you bi phobic ????
I'm only messin
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"Sounds like alternative facts there Kelly.. You can spout on about statistics or surveys or what not but the data around Hiv and bi men is pretty accurate. The numbers do not lie regarding the infections every year. Bogman, _itemeagain and the rest of the bi / bicurious men who have replied to the comments on here, thank you for questioning some of the responses and not just accusing me of being bi phobic. Its much appreciated.. Are you bi phobic ????
I'm only messin
Honestly I didn't get that impression from your posts at all . "Again thank you | |||
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"Its not discrimination, its a fact. In the United States, gay men, bisexual men, and other MSM account for the majority of new HIV diagnoses. https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/hiv-risk-in-gay-men#risk Also i was wrong about 20 times more likely its actually 25 times https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/fact-sheet While theres no doubt that some straight people wont meet bi guys because they are homo phobic. Theres factual data available to show that bi / gay are 25 times more to spread it. " There is no data that shows that this means people don't discriminate on fab ! | |||
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" bi / gay are 25 times more to spread it. " Those stats are talking about the risk that an average bi/gay man has (in all countries of the world including africa) of catching it. It's not a stat for straight couple living in iteland who might have occasional protected sex with a man who has sex with men. | |||
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"I'm a taxi driver and had all sorts of different sexual types of people in my car and I have respect for all of them that the way are born and can't help it . " "can't help it"  | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. " Its a fair point that the data isn't representative or ireland .... there is also nothing in the data you present to indicate this is why some seem discriminate against bi/gay on here . I get you feel that those who don't want to meet gay/bi is because of higher risk of aids, however I'd say your in the minority with that reason. It seems that of the people who have noticed discrimination who replied here, most find its a gay/bi thing rather than a disease risk thing ! | |||
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"I'm a taxi driver and had all sorts of different sexual types of people in my car and I have respect for all of them that the way are born and can't help it . "can't help it" "Careful.. | |||
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"I'm a taxi driver and had all sorts of different sexual types of people in my car and I have respect for all of them that the way are born and can't help it . "can't help it" " , magnetic mickys everywhere!!! Can't be helped | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. Its a fair point that the data isn't representative or ireland .... there is also nothing in the data you present to indicate this is why some seem discriminate against bi/gay on here . I get you feel that those who don't want to meet gay/bi is because of higher risk of aids, however I'd say your in the minority with that reason. It seems that of the people who have noticed discrimination who replied here, most find its a gay/bi thing rather than a disease risk thing ! " I could well be in the minority, I might well be wrong and i accept that. What i wont accept is this nonsense thats theres no more risk of difference between have sex as MSM than heterosex. Thats utter crap. | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. Its a fair point that the data isn't representative or ireland .... there is also nothing in the data you present to indicate this is why some seem discriminate against bi/gay on here . I get you feel that those who don't want to meet gay/bi is because of higher risk of aids, however I'd say your in the minority with that reason. It seems that of the people who have noticed discrimination who replied here, most find its a gay/bi thing rather than a disease risk thing ! I could well be in the minority, I might well be wrong and i accept that. What i wont accept is this nonsense thats theres no more risk of difference between have sex as MSM than heterosex. Thats utter crap. " On here there may well be less risk given the higher testing rate in this demographic! | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. " ...erm. I was quoting hiv transmission rates from a published medical journal In case you can't find them here they are. https://europepmc.org/article/MED/24809629 Also... if we can keep this ontopic without getting nasty and personal about it that would be great | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. Its a fair point that the data isn't representative or ireland .... there is also nothing in the data you present to indicate this is why some seem discriminate against bi/gay on here . I get you feel that those who don't want to meet gay/bi is because of higher risk of aids, however I'd say your in the minority with that reason. It seems that of the people who have noticed discrimination who replied here, most find its a gay/bi thing rather than a disease risk thing ! I could well be in the minority, I might well be wrong and i accept that. What i wont accept is this nonsense thats theres no more risk of difference between have sex as MSM than heterosex. Thats utter crap. " Noone is saying that there isn't a higher rate of hiv transmission for bi / gay men. It's that the risk to an Irish swinger who is having protected sex with a bi man has a tiny tiny tiny risk, so tiny that it's no more than an irrelevant statistical anomaly. You have your requirements and that's fine and that's your right, but I'm not sure it's based on rock solid scientific reasoning. | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. ...erm. I was quoting hiv transmission rates from a published medical journal In case you can't find them here they are. https://europepmc.org/article/MED/24809629 Also... if we can keep this ontopic without getting nasty and personal about it that would be great" Its ok, i was only following your lead, you chose to ignore the data i already posted regarding the amount of new cases in the United States Alone being primarily from MSM transmission similar to this country. | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. ...erm. I was quoting hiv transmission rates from a published medical journal In case you can't find them here they are. https://europepmc.org/article/MED/24809629 Also... if we can keep this ontopic without getting nasty and personal about it that would be great Its ok, i was only following your lead, you chose to ignore the data i already posted regarding the amount of new cases in the United States Alone being primarily from MSM transmission similar to this country. "Thats not the case ! Its not ignoring it ... its questioning its validate in terms of being representative of bi/gay people on fab ! Its also questionable as to how much of a factor it is in terms of discrimination on fab .... | |||
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"The debate about statistics, facts etc, in relation to gay/bi men is wonderful and all but do these stats/facts/opinions/lies have any bearing on people on fab? I'm not convinced they matter in any great detail to users here. Is the statement that it's harder for gay/bi guys here correct to begin with? It's not unusual to see threads about how it's difficult, even impossible, here for single men in general so is it noticeably worse for gay/bi men? How do you distinguish between being rejected because the other person just isn't interested in you from being rejected because you're gay/bi? " It would have to be stated .. and rejection is not the same as discrimination . | |||
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"The debate about statistics, facts etc, in relation to gay/bi men is wonderful and all but do these stats/facts/opinions/lies have any bearing on people on fab? I'm not convinced they matter in any great detail to users here. Is the statement that it's harder for gay/bi guys here correct to begin with? It's not unusual to see threads about how it's difficult, even impossible, here for single men in general so is it noticeably worse for gay/bi men? How do you distinguish between being rejected because the other person just isn't interested in you from being rejected because you're gay/bi? " They have one massive advantage in that they can fuck each other as well as the ladies | |||
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"The debate about statistics, facts etc, in relation to gay/bi men is wonderful and all but do these stats/facts/opinions/lies have any bearing on people on fab? I'm not convinced they matter in any great detail to users here. Is the statement that it's harder for gay/bi guys here correct to begin with? It's not unusual to see threads about how it's difficult, even impossible, here for single men in general so is it noticeably worse for gay/bi men? How do you distinguish between being rejected because the other person just isn't interested in you from being rejected because you're gay/bi? It would have to be stated .. and rejection is not the same as discrimination . " How often is it stated explicitly? Also, discrimination isn't hard to hide if you want to.. Just call it preference and you're sorted. Are there any stats to show that it's more difficult for gay/bi men here than straight single men because I have to admit I'm a bit sceptical based on all RBÉ threads about single men not getting a look in. | |||
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"Interesting discussion, just to add my 2 cents: Uti and crabs are not STIs Statistics are not facts, the gathering, organisation and anaysis of data is a mere attempt to reflect the reality, however every statistic comes with statistical errors, context is hugely important for interpretation and let's not forget data can be bent in any direction. Let's take the stats that msm are 25 times more likely to get hiv. Given the persistent results from data collected over the years we can say with confidence that msm are a high risk group. To understand why that is we've to look at the circumstances/context off that data and that's where it gets complicated and assumptous (non fact). So when people jump to conclusions and where it gets discriminatory is that every bi/gay man is high risk, so therefore by not meeting any of them is cutting down the risk and makes being on fab safer. "I think what's different here is peoples views on a fact .. and a confusion around is the data on msm risk factual . The stats are numerical and factual if collected correctly, thus stats are facts ... Are numerical facts full picture facts , I would say no , you would have to get dats from every gay/bi guy in the world crunch the numbers against the lifestyle and countries and many parameters to get full picture facts . Are the msm risk numbers representative of ireland or fab for that matter , nope probably not . Are they factual , yes the numbers are correct . If you ask the wrong question the numbers will change ! | |||
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"Interesting discussion, just to add my 2 cents: Uti and crabs are not STIs Statistics are not facts, the gathering, organisation and anaysis of data is a mere attempt to reflect the reality, however every statistic comes with statistical errors, context is hugely important for interpretation and let's not forget data can be bent in any direction. Let's take the stats that msm are 25 times more likely to get hiv. Given the persistent results from data collected over the years we can say with confidence that msm are a high risk group. To understand why that is we've to look at the circumstances/context off that data and that's where it gets complicated and assumptous (non fact). So when people jump to conclusions and where it gets discriminatory is that every bi/gay man is high risk, so therefore by not meeting any of them is cutting down the risk and makes being on fab safer. "While ignoring the irony that making men feel they need to lie about same - sex activity increases the chance that people who avoid men identifying as bi - believing them to be higher risk - are in fact quite likely to be having sex with men who are hiding their bisexuality.... | |||
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"Interesting discussion, just to add my 2 cents: Uti and crabs are not STIs Statistics are not facts, the gathering, organisation and anaysis of data is a mere attempt to reflect the reality, however every statistic comes with statistical errors, context is hugely important for interpretation and let's not forget data can be bent in any direction. Let's take the stats that msm are 25 times more likely to get hiv. Given the persistent results from data collected over the years we can say with confidence that msm are a high risk group. To understand why that is we've to look at the circumstances/context off that data and that's where it gets complicated and assumptous (non fact). So when people jump to conclusions and where it gets discriminatory is that every bi/gay man is high risk, so therefore by not meeting any of them is cutting down the risk and makes being on fab safer.
I think what's different here is peoples views on a fact .. and a confusion around is the data on msm risk factual .
The stats are numerical and factual if collected correctly, thus stats are facts ...
Are numerical facts full picture facts , I would say no , you would have to get dats from every gay/bi guy in the world crunch the numbers against the lifestyle and countries and many parameters to get full picture facts .
Are the msm risk numbers representative of ireland or fab for that matter , nope probably not . Are they factual , yes the numbers are correct .
If you ask the wrong question the numbers will change ! "The individual data pieces are factual but all your analysis and interpretation of the data is based on a sample only and the influenced by various factors such as gathering method, formulas used etc. I wouldn't call the later factual. But that's just my opinion. | |||
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"Interesting discussion, just to add my 2 cents: Uti and crabs are not STIs Statistics are not facts, the gathering, organisation and anaysis of data is a mere attempt to reflect the reality, however every statistic comes with statistical errors, context is hugely important for interpretation and let's not forget data can be bent in any direction. Let's take the stats that msm are 25 times more likely to get hiv. Given the persistent results from data collected over the years we can say with confidence that msm are a high risk group. To understand why that is we've to look at the circumstances/context off that data and that's where it gets complicated and assumptous (non fact). So when people jump to conclusions and where it gets discriminatory is that every bi/gay man is high risk, so therefore by not meeting any of them is cutting down the risk and makes being on fab safer.
I think what's different here is peoples views on a fact .. and a confusion around is the data on msm risk factual .
The stats are numerical and factual if collected correctly, thus stats are facts ...
Are numerical facts full picture facts , I would say no , you would have to get dats from every gay/bi guy in the world crunch the numbers against the lifestyle and countries and many parameters to get full picture facts .
Are the msm risk numbers representative of ireland or fab for that matter , nope probably not . Are they factual , yes the numbers are correct .
If you ask the wrong question the numbers will change !
The individual data pieces are factual but all your analysis and interpretation of the data is based on a sample only and the influenced by various factors such as gathering method, formulas used etc. I wouldn't call the later factual. But that's just my opinion.
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"This was a very interesting discussion to read (minus the lengthy diversion into the merits of statistical analysis). My main take away is that it feels sad that some bi, or bi-curious men don't feel at liberty to celebrate their sexuality in a place that celebrates sexuality. I believe this is also in part because we are still growing as a nation. I can't speak for bias or discrimination as I haven't seen it but I do garner some hope that things are getting better, however slowly, for everyone and I wish all you pleasure seekers the very best of luck." | |||
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"But try not to confuse statistics with facts One of the same surly ... thats whats ment by statically factual no ?
Ah here, you're more intelligent than that statistics are facts..
Unless they're made up and then they're not statistics.
What do you think statistics are?"Statistics and facts are not the same. A statistic is a numeric variable which can be manipulated, misrepresented and incomplete. A fact is a complete and unbiased piece of information. | |||
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"This was a very interesting discussion to read (minus the lengthy diversion into the merits of statistical analysis). My main take away is that it feels sad that some bi, or bi-curious men don't feel at liberty to celebrate their sexuality in a place that celebrates sexuality. I believe this is also in part because we are still growing as a nation. I can't speak for bias or discrimination as I haven't seen it but I do garner some hope that things are getting better, however slowly, for everyone and I wish all you pleasure seekers the very best of luck." Yeah trust a bunch of swingers to make an interesting debate into a crushingly boring one | |||
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"This was a very interesting discussion to read (minus the lengthy diversion into the merits of statistical analysis). My main take away is that it feels sad that some bi, or bi-curious men don't feel at liberty to celebrate their sexuality in a place that celebrates sexuality. I believe this is also in part because we are still growing as a nation. I can't speak for bias or discrimination as I haven't seen it but I do garner some hope that things are getting better, however slowly, for everyone and I wish all you pleasure seekers the very best of luck. Yeah trust a bunch of swingers to make an interesting debate into a crushingly boring one "Bahahaha | |||
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"This was a very interesting discussion to read (minus the lengthy diversion into the merits of statistical analysis). My main take away is that it feels sad that some bi, or bi-curious men don't feel at liberty to celebrate their sexuality in a place that celebrates sexuality. I believe this is also in part because we are still growing as a nation. I can't speak for bias or discrimination as I haven't seen it but I do garner some hope that things are getting better, however slowly, for everyone and I wish all you pleasure seekers the very best of luck. Yeah trust a bunch of swingers to make an interesting debate into a crushingly boring one "You made me laugh
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"Fair play
If we all agreed on stuff like this then every thread would be a total snoozefest
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" bi / gay are 25 times more to spread it. Those stats are talking about the risk that an average bi/gay man has (in all countries of the world including africa) of catching it. It's not a stat for straight couple living in iteland who might have occasional protected sex with a man who has sex with men. " This right here is the sound logic lads.. | |||
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"Again.. lets just ignore the data to suit your woke virtual signaling agenda. " Anyone who uses the words "virtues signalling" and is being serious....well that just says it all for me lol | |||
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"Interesting discussion, just to add my 2 cents: Uti and crabs are not STIs Statistics are not facts, the gathering, organisation and anaysis of data is a mere attempt to reflect the reality, however every statistic comes with statistical errors, context is hugely important for interpretation and let's not forget data can be bent in any direction. Let's take the stats that msm are 25 times more likely to get hiv. Given the persistent results from data collected over the years we can say with confidence that msm are a high risk group. To understand why that is we've to look at the circumstances/context off that data and that's where it gets complicated and assumptous (non fact). So when people jump to conclusions and where it gets discriminatory is that every bi/gay man is high risk, so therefore by not meeting any of them is cutting down the risk and makes being on fab safer. "Finally! Some sound logical thinking, I feel the same as you. It's the assumption that gay/bi men are riddled with STIs, which is simply just not true | |||
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