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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Any tips for an each way bet....

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By *uriousVoyeurMan
over a year ago

Northside

Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

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By *ebelspurMan
over a year ago

cork

Galvin 20-1

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By *ackandsashaCouple
over a year ago

West Dublin

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

Probably a very good e.w. bet.

I also like Any second now e.w. Has multiple placings in the national. Thats my two.

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By *utty BrennanMan
over a year ago

Kildare

Our Power

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By *uriousVoyeurMan
over a year ago

Northside

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

Probably a very good e.w. bet.

I also like Any second now e.w. Has multiple placings in the national. Thats my two."

Happy with that...and the winnings paid for dinner so the Mrs happy too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

I should have listened

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By *ackandsashaCouple
over a year ago

West Dublin

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

Probably a very good e.w. bet.

I also like Any second now e.w. Has multiple placings in the national. Thats my two.

Happy with that...and the winnings paid for dinner so the Mrs happy too

Nice !! Well done !!!

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By *uriousVoyeurMan
over a year ago

Northside

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

Probably a very good e.w. bet.

I also like Any second now e.w. Has multiple placings in the national. Thats my two.

Happy with that...and the winnings paid for dinner so the Mrs happy too

Nice !! Well done !!!"

Thank you!!

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By *uriousVoyeurMan
over a year ago

Northside

"Noble Yeats...or so I've been told!!

I should have listened"

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By *ixie and dixie2022Couple
over a year ago

villiage

Don’t glue yourself to a fence u might miss they race

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse."

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like. "

What about the ones that never make it back to the after the races bit

Can the course be improved to be made safer for the horses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

What about the ones that never make it back to the after the races bit

Can the course be improved to be made safer for the horses "

Yes of course it could be improved. But the whole animal abuse claims aren't true. You can't make a horse run if it doesn't want to.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

What about the ones that never make it back to the after the races bit

Can the course be improved to be made safer for the horses

Yes of course it could be improved. But the whole animal abuse claims aren't true. You can't make a horse run if it doesn't want to. "

Then why do they use a whip

Look I know the horses are bred to race ......no problem with that

I know there's some bad yards that not only mistreat their staff but do the same to their horses

I also know yards where the horses are given the best of everything

Yet there's a bit of me that would prefer if no horses died during the race ......I'm sure most people are the same

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse."

OK.. so you support animal welfare but it's OK for you to post a response to a previous BBW Appreciation thread which I've copied below as a reminder to yourself!

"Yup, I do like a fat chick -- don't need to be beautiful though, just reasonably attractive will do for me."

So before you decide to preach on anything, maybe you might invest in a larger mirror. Your head & ego isn't quite fitting into the one you currently have

Maybe there is a spanner or two like yourself on Fab who could do with being shown a whip in a non enjoyment way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

What about the ones that never make it back to the after the races bit

Can the course be improved to be made safer for the horses

Yes of course it could be improved. But the whole animal abuse claims aren't true. You can't make a horse run if it doesn't want to.

Then why do they use a whip

Look I know the horses are bred to race ......no problem with that

I know there's some bad yards that not only mistreat their staff but do the same to their horses

I also know yards where the horses are given the best of everything

Yet there's a bit of me that would prefer if no horses died during the race ......I'm sure most people are the same "

There are rules on how much you can use a whip now. But you could whip the arse of a horse and it would still not move for you if the horse didn't want to. I completely agree though I don't like when they die during a race. If that bit was a guarantee not to happen then it would be all the better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

OK.. so you support animal welfare but it's OK for you to post a response to a previous BBW Appreciation thread which I've copied below as a reminder to yourself!

"Yup, I do like a fat chick -- don't need to be beautiful though, just reasonably attractive will do for me."

So before you decide to preach on anything, maybe you might invest in a larger mirror. Your head & ego isn't quite fitting into the one you currently have

Maybe there is a spanner or two like yourself on Fab who could do with being shown a whip in a non enjoyment way

There is nothing inconsistent about anything I said.

Maybe you have a problem with my use of blunt language, but that does not detract from the sentiment.

I do not support animal abuse; I'm an animal rights advocate and not an animal 'welfare' advocate.

I also like fat chicks, and that has nothing to do with anything here -- I don't think I've ever seen them forced to compete.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, because you're now on my block list, I advise you not to use this forum to converse with me further.

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

What about the ones that never make it back to the after the races bit

Can the course be improved to be made safer for the horses

Yes of course it could be improved. But the whole animal abuse claims aren't true. You can't make a horse run if it doesn't want to.

Then why do they use a whip

Look I know the horses are bred to race ......no problem with that

I know there's some bad yards that not only mistreat their staff but do the same to their horses

I also know yards where the horses are given the best of everything

Yet there's a bit of me that would prefer if no horses died during the race ......I'm sure most people are the same "

I wasn't going to post on this thread as it's all the usual stuff sprouted in answer why use a whip.Racing whips are padded they are only allowed to hit the horses on their hind quarters and on on the shoulder there are strict rules that are inforced even with regards to how high you can lift your arm to use the whip. There are also a limited amount of times you can hit a horse in a race and the rules are now even more strict in the last few months. They are often used as an aid to keep a horse straight coming into fences or in the run in at the end. I know I'd personally prefer to be hit with a racing crop that those you see used on here or at riding schools which hurt a hell of a lot more. Horses are also checked on their way back to the stables after every race by a vet for any marks on them and if there are any the jockey gets pulled in and questioned and the rerun watched and they usually get some form of a ban or fine. Also like someone else has said you could whip a horse all day long but if it doesn't want to do any thing it won't. And no one can make it. Any person who has ridden horses can tell you that.

I hate seeing any horse die at the races and that is the main difference I have seen over the protestors and those who actually enjoy racing .The only people I have ever seen who take pleasure are those who claim they care about horses and want it banned .

That's all I'm saying on this as I can't be bothered even trying to change people's mind as I know it's impossible and a waste of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like. "

Horses are not given a choice, they are not allowed agency over their own lives.

Using animals for entertainment and profit is not done by consent.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I think it's fair to say that the racehorses you see in races are very well treated. The whip thing is overstated as its controlled and where is applied is rather tough skin to begin with.

The potential issues with the sport happen down at the bottom of the chain. The number of foals produced into the industry doesn't match the number of horses that end up racing. Many end up simply not being good enough and are disposed of in various fashions.

Also, the high level of breeding, and effective inbreeding, that has been done over the last century has left horses faster, more muscular but with lighter bones. It's not ideal.

On the other hand, people complaining that horses being put down for broken leg bones is wrong, and trying to compare it to humans or other animals are avoiding the reality that horses spend most of their lives on their feet so recovery is next to impossible.

It's a mixed bag to be fair.

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

Well we are all for horse racing and we're more than comfortable with their welfare and the bodies who monitor it.

Thoroughly looking forward to Punchestown next week!

If we ever get to point of seeking consent from a horse to race it, were screwed.

Ridiculous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tip: Don't support animal abuse.

My tip: actually follow how well them horses are treated before and after races and you'll see what it's really like.

Horses are not given a choice, they are not allowed agency over their own lives.

Using animals for entertainment and profit is not done by consent."

What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then. "

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I love animals, especially cows and especially fried with pepper sauce and chips. Yum

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By *asualguyMan
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon."

What do you suggest we do with animals then if they’re not produced for food or milk anymore let them roam free? Because there’ll be no need or reason for them on farm land anymore.

If you’re happy to eat a plant based diet good for you. I’m happy eating meat and sure plenty of people are on here as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon."

Well then tell the wolf, fox and other predators to it meat. it’s called natural cycle and humans are in that as other animals. If you happy to eat grass ( but maybe grass get hurt and feel pain as well

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, no one will stop you, but you won’t tell what food I can eat and enjoy. Btw when one animal eat other while it still alive it will be more cruel than killing animals as ppl do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just sickening me ppl who in no clue where is abuse and where’s nature takes place. Before looking at animals, take care of other people around you , kids, women, men getting abused in this planet every split second, so we can’t look at one another

. As I heard quote yesterday “ no body cares” it’s relevant in every day basis. Start from yourself ( including myself) to take care of others and only that way we can fin harmony with people and nature

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By *heekyChap93Man
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon."

What a load of f'n nonsense, what you're asking for is impossible! Can't happen, never will happen so the sooner you understand that the better!

And trying to reason with the likes of this man(or what ever mystical being you define yourself as), you might as well go out the back and talk to the wall!

You're deluded!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon.

What a load of f'n nonsense, what you're asking for is impossible! Can't happen, never will happen so the sooner you understand that the better!

And trying to reason with the likes of this man(or what ever mystical being you define yourself as), you might as well go out the back and talk to the wall!

You're deluded!

Complete agree with you, this day so many people who don’t want to use comen sense

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By *heekyChap93Man
over a year ago

Thank you Rosie

What some of these people do be thinking(or do not more like) is absolute madness!

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

26 years ago was the last time I backed a horse on the grand national. I won first and second

I was heavily pregnant in the bookies collecting my winnings.

Might have a bet this time see can I repeat it. The winning (not pregnancy)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of f'n nonsense, what you're asking for is impossible! Can't happen, never will happen so the sooner you understand that the better!

And trying to reason with the likes of this man(or what ever mystical being you define yourself as), you might as well go out the back and talk to the wall!

You're deluded!"

By the tone of your reply you are clearly responding from your ego -- and of course, you are correct, because people like yourself are unwilling to be educated.

It's easier to angrily react to an idea, than it is to be challenged.

Everyone says how much they hate abuse (whether animal or human), but it's easier to say something than it is to take personal responsibility for their own contributions.

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

Anyone at Kilbeggan races tonight?

Great evening for it

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

"Anyone at Kilbeggan races tonight?

Great evening for it

Great evening full stop... Enjoy your evening folks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon."

Ok ,so you live by that mantra then. I presume you don't waer shoes or trainers then and don't own anything made of leather.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wear*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok ,so you live by that mantra then. I presume you don't waer shoes or trainers then and don't own anything made of leather."

I have been vegan for ten years; I don't own or consume anything made from animal products, including my shoes, boots and trainers, which are all made from fully vegan materials.

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

If you don't like or want to see horse racing..... Start your own thread folks.

Stop hijacking posts, just get your own and work away.

All the best for the future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon.

What do you suggest we do with animals then if they’re not produced for food or milk anymore let them roam free? Because there’ll be no need or reason for them on farm land anymore.

If you’re happy to eat a plant based diet good for you. I’m happy eating meat and sure plenty of people are on here as well.

Not taking any side in the debate, just wanted to point out that we'd not need to breed animals for food or milk therefore there wouldn't be copious ex-farm animals roaming free (assuming a phased out approach)

As you were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of f'n nonsense, what you're asking for is impossible! Can't happen, never will happen so the sooner you understand that the better!

And trying to reason with the likes of this man(or what ever mystical being you define yourself as), you might as well go out the back and talk to the wall!

You're deluded!

By the tone of your reply you are clearly responding from your ego -- and of course, you are correct, because people like yourself are unwilling to be educated.

It's easier to angrily react to an idea, than it is to be challenged.

Everyone says how much they hate abuse (whether animal or human), but it's easier to say something than it is to take personal responsibility for their own contributions.

I would love to put you on a desert island and see how far you education will last and survival instinct will trigger

It’s great to debate on full stomach

What you are talking about it’s nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok ,so you live by that mantra then. I presume you don't waer shoes or trainers then and don't own anything made of leather.

I have been vegan for ten years; I don't own or consume anything made from animal products, including my shoes, boots and trainers, which are all made from fully vegan materials. "

Fair enough ,so assume over a period of maybe 20 years we all phase to vegan , what area landwise would be required to sustain a world population of ,I'm guessing 12+billion people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fair enough ,so assume over a period of maybe 20 years we all phase to vegan , what area landwise would be required to sustain a world population of ,I'm guessing 12+billion people"

Well I'm not going to start digging out numbers for the sake of a forum argument, but it's already been worked out and there is already enough land to sustain the human population.

At the moment, the vast majority of agricultural land is used for feed crops for livestock, and as such, animal agriculture is already unsustainable and has a dramatic impact on climate change.

So, if we were to stop forcibly breeding animals for food, the land could be repurposed -- and I do not mean land that is considered unsuitable, that's already been factored in.

It's clearly a logistical challenge, hence my earlier post; it would need a complete change of direction and ethics from a significant portion of the planet's population.

Improbable? Given our current mentality as a species, absolutely unlikely, but impossible, no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great if it's "already been worked out"..I don't it. Care to tell me where I can view those stats and figures for myself as you've obviously done so as you said , no need to rattle off the numbers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt it*

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By *ollinrock77Man
over a year ago

mullingar

"What do you see as the solution to end all forms of animal abuse then.

Educate people to understand animal sentience; that all sentient beings have an interest in their own lives, can feel pain and do suffer at the hands of humans.

Then, stop using animals for food, clothing, entertainment, sport, science and everything else.

It can be done, we do not need to use animals as resources -- the data is there and a transition is possible, but without education to drive that desire, it won't happen anytime soon."

You may want to educate yourself as your band of idiots caused more hassel and stress to the horses with your stupidty before last weeks national you even managed to injure a horse with your down right idiotic antics . You should be all locked up and or fined for endangering lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fair enough ,so assume over a period of maybe 20 years we all phase to vegan , what area landwise would be required to sustain a world population of ,I'm guessing 12+billion people

Well I'm not going to start digging out numbers for the sake of a forum argument, but it's already been worked out and there is already enough land to sustain the human population.

At the moment, the vast majority of agricultural land is used for feed crops for livestock, and as such, animal agriculture is already unsustainable and has a dramatic impact on climate change.

So, if we were to stop forcibly breeding animals for food, the land could be repurposed -- and I do not mean land that is considered unsuitable, that's already been factored in.

It's clearly a logistical challenge, hence my earlier post; it would need a complete change of direction and ethics from a significant portion of the planet's population.

Improbable? Given our current mentality as a species, absolutely unlikely, but impossible, no."

Not going to take any side do you live in London

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because no horse ever died at the Grand National before this week.

If you reach any further you'll do yourself a mischief.

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By *ixie and dixie2022Couple
over a year ago

villiage

Because no horse ever died at the Grand National before this week.

If you reach any further you'll do yourself a mischief.

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but was an animal injured by they action of your group

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No answer is answer in itself , yer talking shite. There's no correlated studies or figures to back up your need to be heard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No answer is answer in itself , yer talking shite. There's no correlated studies or figures to back up your need to be heard. "

Firstly, links aren't allowed on this forum. Secondly I've been out all evening and have better things to do with my time than search references from my phone.

When I am at a computer, if you're really interested, then I will tell you what to look for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"was an animal injured by they action of your group "

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By *ollinrock77Man
over a year ago

mullingar

"was an animal injured by they action of your group

No"

A complete lie Galvin was injured because of ye idiots get your facts right before spouting your slurry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"was an animal injured by they action of your group

A complete lie Galvin was injured because of ye idiots get your facts right before spouting your slurry."

Try adding some logic -- what's more likely to injure a horse, a slight delay to a race that isn't part of an expected routine, or forcing it to tear around a racetrack at breakneck speed, with no consideration to the dangers it faces?

Add that to the track record of Aintree deaths, and the answer ain't rocket science.

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By *ollinrock77Man
over a year ago

mullingar

"was an animal injured by they action of your group

A complete lie Galvin was injured because of ye idiots get your facts right before spouting your slurry.

Add that to the track record of Aintree deaths, and the answer ain't rocket science."

So the horse Galvin wasn't injured due to ye? Cop on answer the question asked and never mind avoiding it .

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"Ok ,so you live by that mantra then. I presume you don't waer shoes or trainers then and don't own anything made of leather.

I have been vegan for ten years; I don't own or consume anything made from animal products, including my shoes, boots and trainers, which are all made from fully vegan materials. "

It wouldn't make u live any longer pal lol

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Ok ,so you live by that mantra then. I presume you don't waer shoes or trainers then and don't own anything made of leather.

I have been vegan for ten years; I don't own or consume anything made from animal products, including my shoes, boots and trainers, which are all made from fully vegan materials.

It wouldn't make u live any longer pal lol "

Bet it feels like it does

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I've so much respect for people who are able to live by their principles and avoid animal products completely if they feel that that's part of an ethical standpoint. I'm an occasional meat eater, but I find myself siding more with the protesters here. Peaceful direct action is an important part of a democratic society.

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

It wasn't peaceful though.

It was a a venue invasion.

The peaceful demonstration was at the from entrance the entire week.

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

Front entrance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Front entrance

Don’t bother this thread couldn’t back a winner to save their lives haha

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

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over a year ago

Thanks for that by the way

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

You seldom get them that nailed on with the weights

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Undersupervision

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You seldom get them that nailed on with the weights

Ya had the runner up ew aswell

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

"Undersupervision"

It's a good e/w bet at the price.

I don't wager e/w myself.

I fancy (your own story) for the win but I'll watch without betting on this occasion.

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over a year ago

"So the horse Galvin wasn't injured due to ye? Cop on answer the question asked and never mind avoiding it . "

No it was not -- and I don't support that particular group anyway. It sounds like the trainer was being righteously indignant when lashing out blame, maybe because he was forced to look at his own involvement.

As for the question asked, I cannot post links on this forum, but a simple Google search for "percentage of land for growing animal feed" would bring up a wide range of resources that back up my statement.

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over a year ago

And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

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over a year ago

Larry would look after them I’m sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Larry would look after them I’m sure "

Who's larry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Larry would look after them I’m sure

Who's larry

Goodman

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over a year ago

"Larry would look after them I’m sure

Who's larry

Goodman "

No ,that industry is now finished as we're all gone " vegan for the animals " at that stage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For Fock sake so living in a tree eating bamboo shoots it is then

Wait were we not there before

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over a year ago

Yes , the large predators lions,wolves ,tigers etc have now taken over ,gorging themselves on all the slow moving cows ,chickens and pics who themselves are on the rampage in our vast cabbage and avocado plantations . But their living their best lives so it's all good

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over a year ago

"Yes , the large predators lions,wolves ,tigers etc have now taken over ,gorging themselves on all the slow moving cows ,chickens and pics who themselves are on the rampage in our vast cabbage and avocado plantations . But their living their best lives so it's all good

Please tell me we will be able too use our phones I promise I’ll only order vegan chicken curry

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over a year ago

"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Would common sense not tell you it would have to be a phased approach to a non farming society? I've no skin in the game either way but the idea that every farm animal would be instanteously, simultaneously and unilaterally released to the wild is pretty ridiculous, no?

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over a year ago

It is ridiculous yeah, the phased approach is possible , probably through culling ,to speed the process up. Either way it's elimination of 3 or 4 species in the interest of their welfare

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

We will need a few more Cowboys to control all these roaming animals

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over a year ago

"We will need a few more Cowboys to control all these roaming animals

On what powered type of vehicles

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over a year ago

Portlaoise

Drone Cowboys I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Drone Cowboys I guess

Yep , not allowed on horses anymore

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over a year ago

"Drone Cowboys I guess

Yep , not allowed on horses anymore"

Ya but how do we charge

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over a year ago

On our brightly coloured hipster style bicycles I suppose

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By *oxminxCouple
over a year ago

Portlaoise

Jeez we better get plenty of protein into us with all that exertion

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over a year ago

"On our brightly coloured hipster style bicycles I suppose "

I hope them vegan shoes last coz we’d have no breaks too stop the bikes

Or is there vegan break pads aswell

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over a year ago

"Jeez we better get plenty of protein into us with all that exertion

We're getting that from the mosquito burgers we're making from the vast swarms hovering over all the rotting carcasses

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over a year ago

"On our brightly coloured hipster style bicycles I suppose

I hope them vegan shoes last coz we’d have no breaks too stop the bikes

Or is there vegan break pads aswell "

No it's Yabba Dabba Doo! using the soles of our feet

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over a year ago

"On our brightly coloured hipster style bicycles I suppose

I hope them vegan shoes last coz we’d have no breaks too stop the bikes

Or is there vegan break pads aswell

No it's Yabba Dabba Doo! using the soles of our feet"

These bicycles you speak of are they eatable,or the phone you use or the tv you watch,how do they get to your house

How are they made the materials used in the making of such bicycles or how they get too the shop you bought them from

I could be wrong but I think it’s the fifth on pollution list transportation

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over a year ago

"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Most of the animals used for food are forcibly bred by artificial insemination.

Humans kill an estimated 45-70 billion animals every year (not including fish or animals used in labs).

Clearly there's a logistical challenge, but not force-breeding them might be a good starting point.

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"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Most of the animals used for food are forcibly bred by artificial insemination.

Humans kill an estimated 45-70 billion animals every year (not including fish or animals used in labs).

Clearly there's a logistical challenge, but not force-breeding them might be a good starting point. "

Right, so let them breed naturally then .Note that semen extracted from a bull on a weekly basis can be used to inseminate hundreds of cows in a breeding season where as a stock bull would only physically be able to service maximum maybe 40 in the same 4-6 week season. So then you either reduce the number of cows drastically or increase the number of bulls . I didn't have to Google this as I'm from a farming background but you may if you need to educate yourself about such.

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"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Most of the animals used for food are forcibly bred by artificial insemination.

Humans kill an estimated 45-70 billion animals every year (not including fish or animals used in labs).

Clearly there's a logistical challenge, but not force-breeding them might be a good starting point.

Reduction of breeding is literally the point he's making.

It feels at this point you're so hell bent on disagreement that you're not even listening to what he's saying

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"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Most of the animals used for food are forcibly bred by artificial insemination.

Humans kill an estimated 45-70 billion animals every year (not including fish or animals used in labs).

Clearly there's a logistical challenge, but not force-breeding them might be a good starting point.

Reduction of breeding is literally the point he's making.

It feels at this point you're so hell bent on disagreement that you're not even listening to what he's saying"

No, I'm just waiting to be educated as he said. It's fine to make a broad statement as lets just reduce breeding...but then what , there are more than logistical problems as hes stated, there's a hell of a lot of consequences that I don't think he's even aware of . He has his opinion which is fine but we're all allowed our own ate we not

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over a year ago

Are we*

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over a year ago

"And the circa 70 billion farmed animals ...what do you propose to do with them ..release them all in the Serengeti is it

Most of the animals used for food are forcibly bred by artificial insemination.

Humans kill an estimated 45-70 billion animals every year (not including fish or animals used in labs).

Clearly there's a logistical challenge, but not force-breeding them might be a good starting point.

Reduction of breeding is literally the point he's making.

It feels at this point you're so hell bent on disagreement that you're not even listening to what he's saying"

Sorry was this thread not set up for people to make contact with one another in what they were interested in on the day of the event

He as in the guy that came on the Irish forums only did so to stir shit you can be sure it’s the most views he’s ever got

I’m off to throw orange powder on a snooker table

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over a year ago

Feckin gas guzzling snooker tables ,I heard they only do 12 miles per gallon

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over a year ago

"Feckin gas guzzling snooker tables ,I heard they only do 12 miles per gallon

Era sure he’ll claim no connection with them either

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over a year ago

If you trawl Google enough you'll find something to copy and paste to confirm the fact

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over a year ago

"If you trawl Google enough you'll find something to copy and paste to confirm the fact

Haven’t a clue and wouldn’t be bothered mind yourself wolf talk to ya some other time

I’m destroyed in orange powder must have a shower don’t think the lads will see the funny side

If I turn up like an Oompa Loompa

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over a year ago

"Reduction of breeding is literally the point he's making.

It feels at this point you're so hell bent on disagreement that you're not even listening to what he's saying"

Exactly -- as I said, before anything else happens, people would need to change their attitudes and realise that, if animals matter morally, then they should not be commodities.

Just like they realised with people a couple of hundred years ago.

The rest of it is logistics -- the world won't turn vegan overnight, but that's not a reason to abandon the ethics.

Every animal is sentient, can suffer and feel pain -- and they suffer in the billions for the benefit of our species.

When I post like this, I don't really do it for my own personal benefit -- my ego doesn't gain anything from it.

And, people rarely change their minds as a result of forum to and fro-ing.

But, on the off chance someone outside stumbles upon my posts, and it gets them looking further into it -- then my work is done.

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