FabSwingers.com forum: Ireland going downhill fast

By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill

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By *adylaceWoman
over a year ago

Waterford City

Don't feed the troll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least we don't have to pedal

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By *huCullainMan
over a year ago

Rathowen

"Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill "

Being Australian I presume you meant Australia

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

The government don't give a rats ass about anything

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin

I actually think the country has much improved since the 80s and 90s. Diversity is up, immigration has been a great boon for the country making the place more metropolitan and tolerant and reducing group think. Politicians are still relatively poor but way better than the corrupt leaders of the past. Rip off Ireland is alive and kicking which is why we need to grow the population by inward migration so that we are no longer a backwater with cartels in every market. I think the country’s future is very bright.

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

My bank just announced a half bill profit . Ripping people off

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill "

Depends on where you get your news

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

Ah sure.... whats one more rabbit hole going to hurt...

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

No ireland.. health service is a complete and utter disgrace . Anti social behaviour is riff with little or no consequences. The city's are filthy. Homelessness is through the roof.

I was there recently and genuinely got a shock when I saw how bad it was.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

The cycling is easier at least.

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"No ireland.. health service is a complete and utter disgrace . Anti social behaviour is riff with little or no consequences. The city's are filthy. Homelessness is through the roof.

I was there recently and genuinely got a shock when I saw how bad it was.

So how are u gonna change things ...

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to Australia

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad. "

You might go over that one again. We're all paying tax left, right and centre and get rather little for it, so much so that there's very little left to live on unless you're one of the few on the gravy train.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Yes .

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

My point exactly. Taxed to death to pay for people who won't work.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to Australia "

Yes

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad. "

U're very wide of the mark ...

82 billion tax take and near full employment

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"My point exactly. Taxed to death to pay for people who won't work."

Australia unemployment... 3.7%

Ireland(26 Co)unemployment... 4.4%

Those aren't hugely different figures? Are they all lazy cunts in Australia then as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s the best country in the world,all I would ask for is a little more sun,best of grub,great people,

And your right the welfare is a rip-off I should be getting way more oh and diesel vouchers too

BRING BACK THE BUTTER VOUCHERS

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Now compare the standard of living.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to Australia

Yes "

So whats it like over there compared to over here

Are you doing as well as expected

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"My point exactly. Taxed to death to pay for people who won't work."

That's utter rubbish.

How about to pay massive bank debts from the financial crash and tax payers money wasted because of poor govermental management, shitty agreements in favour of multinational companies, inflated salaries and pensions for politicians etc etc the list is endless.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to

Are you doing as well as expected "

I'm not trying to bash ireland I'm genuinely disappointed to see it how it is.

Australia is extremely well run. It's a great country to live in with great opportunities. It's also extremely wealthy with oil, gas,iron ore, gold lithium etc etc etc so it's unfair to compare to ireland. My point is successive irish governments have made no attempt to better ireland .. a big one I noticed was the health care .it was genuinely shocking and scary to see how bad it is. I feel sorry for the nurses and doctors as they are doing there best but ultimately fighting a losing battle.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

How is it rubbish. Mary lou was in Australia Asking irish tradesmen to move home as there is loads of work... doing what she was asked.. building social housing she said...

So she wanted people to move to ireland where there would struggle the get a rental to build houses for people who won't work

Utter lunacy

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to

Are you doing as well as expected

I'm not trying to bash ireland I'm genuinely disappointed to see it how it is.

Been to Oz a number of times and have family living there.

From what I can see politics works better there....more in tune with the people.

Most social systems such as health, education, transport etc. seem to work well. Good balanced work/lifestyle.

Just baffles me why they still insist on kissing Charles's ass. Grow a pair Oz!

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"How is it rubbish. Mary lou was in Australia Asking irish tradesmen to move home as there is loads of work... doing what she was asked.. building social housing she said...

So she wanted people to move to ireland where there would struggle the get a rental to build houses for people who won't work

Utter lunacy "

You're idea that social housing is for people who won't work is one you've stated here before and it's based on little more than your own prejudice.

Approximately 12.5% of all housing in the state is social housing and it accounts for a greater percentage of the population. If these were all people "who won't work" then the unemployment percentage would be up around 20% or more.

Maybe less Facebook would reduce your prejudice?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

As a country we spent more on The Health Service last year than any other year ever.....it's still a complete mess .....we could all quote problems that we see in that

Housing I personally think is the biggest problem the country is facing

Can you afford to buy in Australia

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to

Are you doing as well as expected

I'm not trying to bash ireland I'm genuinely disappointed to see it how it is.

I agree they have a strange love for the royals . I'm not sure why. Although Charles has a pretty tight Ares for his age

Been to Oz a number of times and have family living there.

From what I can see politics works better there....more in tune with the people.

Most social systems such as health, education, transport etc. seem to work well. Good balanced work/lifestyle.

Just baffles me why they still insist on kissing Charles's ass. Grow a pair Oz!"

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"As a country we spent more on The Health Service last year than any other year ever.....it's still a complete mess .....we could all quote problems that we see in that

Yes . All my irish friends have bought houses. They are very expensive but wages allow for it

Housing I personally think is the biggest problem the country is facing

Can you afford to buy in Australia "

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"As a country we spent more on The Health Service last year than any other year ever.....it's still a complete mess .....we could all quote problems that we see in that

Yes . All my irish friends have bought houses. They are very expensive but wages allow for it

Housing I personally think is the biggest problem the country is facing

Can you afford to buy in Australia "

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Houses in Australia are very expensive 1m to 2m range but its very achievable all My irish friends arrived here with nothing but a bag on there backs but still bought houses and have disposable income .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill "

I've a feeling you'd be giving out if it was going up hill as well. There's no pleasing some people

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

Ireland has never been better!

Just because a few useless politician's who never contribute anything keep trying to talk it down for their own benefit doesn't make it so!

Lived in Brisbane for a few years, just of Park Rd.

Between there and the Gold Coast, the weekends were like war zones. Australia the only place I've ever been where you're concerned about being attacked by doormen. A profession that's accustomed to murder and attempted murder on a regular basis.

An economy propped up by natural resources. Where inflation is still rising and home ownership is out-of the reach of most. Many dont have the equivalent of €100 a week after basics covered! Regardless of what the far away hills look like!

A country that pretends so hard that it is concerned about the environment while destroying it at the same time in tourism and industry.

Don't get me wrong, it can be a wonderful place to live, primarily because of the weather. But the sun does tend to affect some peoples heads!

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By *ensualandslow321Man
over a year ago

Tullamore

"I actually think the country has much improved since the 80s and 90s. Diversity is up, immigration has been a great boon for the country making the place more metropolitan and tolerant and reducing group think. Politicians are still relatively poor but way better than the corrupt leaders of the past. Rip off Ireland is alive and kicking which is why we need to grow the population by inward migration so that we are no longer a backwater with cartels in every market. I think the country’s future is very bright."

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Houses in Australia are very expensive 1m to 2m range but its very achievable all My irish friends arrived here with nothing but a bag on there backs but still bought houses and have disposable income . "

What was stopping them doing the same thing over here

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By *amsevenMan
over a year ago

cork

"Ireland has never been better!

Just because a few useless politician's who never contribute anything keep trying to talk it down for their own benefit doesn't make it so!

Lived in Brisbane for a few years, just of Park Rd.

A country that pretends so hard that it is concerned about the environment while destroying it at the same time in tourism and industry.

Don't get me wrong, it can be a wonderful place to live, primarily because of the weather. But the sun does tend to affect some peoples heads! "

Worst bouncers iv come across are in cork city. Granted I haven't lived in town for a while so maybe they have copped on. I've lived in oz and the states. And a bouncer killed a young north cork man outside the INEC in killarney not that long ago and no charges have been brought against anyone. I agree with OP. Anyone got a box of matches

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By *ildatlanticMan
over a year ago

Gran Canaria

Live this country. We are riding round us.

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

"Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad. "

This socialist mentality needs to change. Are you a right wing American or something. Ull find its a right wing capitalist attitude of greed and wealth which caused the housing crisis.

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By *n2meucMan
over a year ago

drogheda

"My point exactly. Taxed to death to pay for people who won't work.

That's utter rubbish.

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By *n2meucMan
over a year ago

drogheda

Too true, I feel ya ...

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

Best little country in the world .

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

Let's blame the government for everything wrong in our lives.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

There are 380k companies in ireland

10 pay 50% of tax revenue

100 pay 80%

These are frightening figures

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By *entthedayMan
over a year ago

magherafrlt

I live in the north. Few friends in Dublin who tremble at the thought of a unified Ireland…they don’t want their taxes to go up.

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

"There are 380k companies in ireland

10 pay 50% of tax revenue

100 pay 80%

These are frightening figures "
and out of curiosity how much income taxes come out of them factories

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"There are 380k companies in ireland

10 pay 50% of tax revenue

100 pay 80%

These are frightening figures "

There are a handful of mining companies that literally pay for everything in Australia, and a few multi-nationals pay the rest.

They've been so spoilt, the personal tax system is totally inadequate for any major economic shock.

Every country has weaknesses that its citizens might not fully understand, like the UK right now with food. It is not and never was capable of feeding itself.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Totally different. The assets are in the ground .that can never change. But the Irish system the companies can leave

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Totally different. The assets are in the ground .that can never change. But the Irish system the companies can leave "

But while theyre here everyone makes money .....whats the problem

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Risk management. Any large business would be very concerned if 80% of the revenue came from 0.026% of your clients.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill "

Such a load of dogs bollox, I’m around long enough to remember what the early eighties were like, poverty, unemployment and emigration, the laws of a particular religion dominant in the lives of people.

It has its problems, but show me one that doesn’t

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Totally different. The assets are in the ground .that can never change. But the Irish system the companies can leave "

Yes, the assets are in the ground and elsewhere, like water, ports and farm land.

That's where Australian governments got a bit lazy over the last 20yrs. Because whatvreally matter is who owns them!

Is there still a good session in The Normanby of a Sunday??

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

"Totally different. The assets are in the ground .that can never change. But the Irish system the companies can leave "

Except when Australia digs up those assets and ships them as raw materials and energy products to India and China where they are processed, with no added value to the Australian economy, and add to global warming which returns to bleach the corals on the barrier reef.

To be fair the tech multinationals in Ireland only contribute to the pollution of our minds.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Totally different. The assets are in the ground .that can never change. But the Irish system the companies can leave

To be fair the tech multinationals in Ireland only contribute to the pollution of our minds."

What happens when China owns the land the assets are on?

Devalues them? Pays less for them? Maybe doesn't pay for them at all! No tax take on that!

That's what they've been doing in Africa for years now!

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Haha the normamby..haven't been in there in ages.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Ya true. Infairness Australia is pretty one dimensional. But they run the public offices and public services very well. Ask the Irish nurses working her how the would feel about working back in ireland. My point is why can ireland strive to be better. Ireland seems to accept poor governance..look at bertie coming back .. 10 years ago micheal martin wanted him expelled last week he gave him a standing ovation . .

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

"Ya true. Infairness Australia is pretty one dimensional. But they run the public offices and public services very well. Ask the Irish nurses working her how the would feel about working back in ireland. My point is why can ireland strive to be better. Ireland seems to accept poor governance..look at bertie coming back .. 10 years ago micheal martin wanted him expelled last week he gave him a standing ovation . ."

Their opinion would be impacted on by the weather . It makes everything seem rosier . Lived and worked in Oz for 7 months. Ireland is superior in so many ways . Also has anyone tried going away for a long weekend in Sydney ? You might get to Perth . Or Auckland . Then rinse and repeat … and don’t let me get started on the cut throat dynamics , macho nonsense and right wing politics that seep into everything …

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

7 months is hardly long.what are the pros on cons of each country

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

With regard to nurses the weather is not the deciding factor. The Irish health Service is a dysfunctional mess.the pay and conditions do not even compare.. ireland trained 725 doctors last year 441 are now in Australia.

The hse has gone far beyond a disgrace . It's borderline third world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With regard to nurses the weather is not the deciding factor. The Irish health Service is a dysfunctional mess.the pay and conditions do not even compare.. ireland trained 725 doctors last year 441 are now in Australia.

The hse has gone far beyond a disgrace . It's borderline third world"

That's 441 visas granted for doctors from the pool of all doctors not just the newly qualified ones.

Granted its still alot but nothing like the mass exodus of the context you put it in.

In general for what ever reason you have clearly written Ireland off as some 3rd world cesspit which if you take the worst aspects of any country and post them in a skewed context you could paint that picture

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

So your telling me the Irish health system is on par with Australia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So your telling me the Irish health system is on par with Australia "

Is that what I said?

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

So you accept the hse is borderline third world and there appears to be no willingness in government to ever change it.

If fact they decide to more pressure on it by taking in as many people to look like the best boys to Brussels with absolutely no facilities to care for the people entering the country. If it was so serious it would be funny . Incompetence on a epic scale

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you accept the hse is borderline third world and there appears to be no willingness in government to ever change it.

Yes the health care system isn't great.

Borderline developing country no.

Linked to taking in refugees no.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

What was stopping them doing the same thing over here "

Op ....in case you missed this

What stopped your friends doing the exact same thing in Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What was stopping them doing the same thing over here

Op ....in case you missed this

What stopped your friends doing the exact same thing in Ireland "

I'm assuming the same thing stopping all the people actually still living here from buying

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

What was stopping them doing the same thing over here

Op ....in case you missed this

What stopped your friends doing the exact same thing in Ireland

I'm assuming the same thing stopping all the people actually still living here from buying "

It's the same in Australia with house prices as Op says ....1m to 2m .....a lot more than the average over here ....if someone can go from nothing to that I'd think they could do it anywhere

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

What was stopping them doing the same thing over here

Op ....in case you missed this

What stopped your friends doing the exact same thing in Ireland

I'm assuming the same thing stopping all the people actually still living here from buying

It's the same in Australia with house prices as Op says ....1m to 2m .....a lot more than the average over here ....if someone can go from nothing to that I'd think they could do it anywhere

Problem here in Ireland is that first time buyers often are on low salaries but living costs are extremely high, saving up for a mortgage deposit is almost impossible. Also since the credit crunch the hurdles to qualify for a mortgage are very high. There's people out there paying easily double in rent than what they would pay for a mortgage, they never fail to pay their rent even throughout the pandemic, yet don't qualify for a mortgage.

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Ireland does not have the same opportunity to make high income. 200k (130k euro) plus is not hard to come by in Australia.

Thats just the reality .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your bank is there to make a profit. I dont understand businesses being criticised for being run efficiently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally disagree. If you work hard and push yourself up the ladder the earning possibilities are there. Nobody is going to hand you 100k a year.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Handy for everyone if you use the reply and quote button so followers of the threads can see who you're replying to

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Your bank is there to make a profit. I dont understand businesses being criticised for being run efficiently. "

Did I say they're not allowed to make a profit?

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By *nlygirlzallowedWoman
over a year ago

N ireland

"Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad. "

Socilalist mentality? You do realise that FG and FF, who have run the shitshow for so long, are Tories.

Wise up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Such a pity to see how the country is going down hill "

So its going downhill? Can you get into your car knowing its not going to explode the moment you turn tour key?

Can you drive across the border knowing you are not going to have to go through a check point wether military or paramilitary?

Can you have relations with a member of a different sect without getting a beating?

People can say its going down hill fast when they are at the top. In my opinion we are doing pretty good compared to 30-40 years ago

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

You'll always get the streets are paved with gold stories from young people living the life in the sunshine, (I was one of them)...Not so many from those with a couple of kids, who've just spent $1.5m to huy a home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

Is Australia not heavily reliant on china?

Buying a home is relativly expensive everywhere but the pay in oz makes the difference does it not?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Are the pay rates and taxes the difference between getting a home or not

Do people rent only in Oz

How high are rents in the main cities

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Are the pay rates and taxes the difference between getting a home or not

Do people rent only in Oz

How high are rents in the main cities

That's one thing you never here back from Australia. The rental market. When you rent a house or apartment, that is all you rent, the four walls.

They have to supply a cooker because of gas regulations. But nothing after that. No beds, no furniture, no washing machine, dishwasher, fridge, microwave...nothing!

My apartment was class to be fair. A swimming pool and gym, but had to sleep on the floor and eat out for a few weeks until I got sorted!..it was very expensive.

But if you're in the lower end of the market, it's dog rough!!

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

We pay $1.96 for diesel .that's 1.24 around 30cent a litre cheaper than ireland . New cars are approx 30% cheaper in Australia. Tax / insurance is aprox half of ireland

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus

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over a year ago

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus "

Then maybe you are in a bit of an echo chamber?

I mean if all my friends here were on 250k a year and lived in 750k+ houses id probably think ireland had zero issues too

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus

Then maybe you are in a bit of an echo chamber?

I mean if all my friends here were on 250k a year and lived in 750k+ houses id probably think ireland had zero issues too"

Look at the calibre of politicians in ireland they are either corrupt or incompetent or both...micheal martin is so spinless it's surprising he can stand up. Leo is a mouth piece .coveney is hopeless . Ryan is on a different planet. Harris wouldn't survive a week in the real world..mary lou is all talk but no substance ..the list goes on and on

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over a year ago

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus

Then maybe you are in a bit of an echo chamber?

I mean if all my friends here were on 250k a year and lived in 750k+ houses id probably think ireland had zero issues too

Your hopping all over the place with this discussion so I'm out.

On a side note I'd take any of the people you listed above over Peter Dutton tbh

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus

Then maybe you are in a bit of an echo chamber?

I mean if all my friends here were on 250k a year and lived in 750k+ houses id probably think ireland had zero issues too

In fairness to Mary Lou, she's an opposition politician unlike the others on your list. There's not much else an opposition politician can do apart from talk.

I wouldn't disagree about the others though.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Add to that a much higher demand than supply in cities and suburbs accentuated by investors outbidding the ordinary citizens.

If you change any of those variants above the situation would change for the better. Unfortunately there's no political will to do so...

The cost of living in Australia is massive. They are resonably self sufficent with food, but anything imported is extortion.

Fuel is very expensive!

Electricity not so much, as they burn coal flat out to keep that down.

All the Irish here 10 plus years I know live on 1m plus houses and are very comfortable financially. Usually combined income of 250k plus

Then maybe you are in a bit of an echo chamber?

I mean if all my friends here were on 250k a year and lived in 750k+ houses id probably think ireland had zero issues too

Your hopping all over the place with this discussion so I'm out.

On a side note I'd take any of the people you listed above over Peter Dutton tbh"

Your right there Dutton is a nazi

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By *alwayVixenWoman
over a year ago

Galway

Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly I wish I knew. The socialist mentality needs to change. There are too few paying for too many.

It's turning into a welfare state which is very sad.

Gravy Train or Crazy Train ..great song ..crazy Train .

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you

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By *alwayVixenWoman
over a year ago

Galway

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you "

Did I ask for an explanation?

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you "

If you were to remove all the assets China owns in Australia mines, windfarms, farmland, sea ports, airports etc. (Not including their allies like India, Sri Lanka etc.)

What would Australia's GDP be then?

Because that is the end game for China. Eventually they won't be selling the raw material and paying taxes on it. They'll just export it direct.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you

Did I ask for an explanation?"
you cleary don't understand it

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you

If you were to remove all the assets China owns in Australia mines, windfarms, farmland, sea ports, airports etc. (Not including their allies like India, Sri Lanka etc.)

What would Australia's GDP be then?

Because that is the end game for China. Eventually they won't be selling the raw material and paying taxes on it. They'll just export it direct."

Unbelievably 25% of irelands gdp is generated from I phones... I phones are made in China.. during the pandemic irelands fuel reserves were down to 3 days at one point..

Ireland gave away its gas and oil. Ireland is more reliant on other nations than Australia

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I never knew I lived in such a shitty country all the same

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you

If you were to remove all the assets China owns in Australia mines, windfarms, farmland, sea ports, airports etc. (Not including their allies like India, Sri Lanka etc.)

What would Australia's GDP be then?

Because that is the end game for China. Eventually they won't be selling the raw material and paying taxes on it. They'll just export it direct.

Unbelievably 25% of irelands gdp is generated from I phones... I phones are made in China.. during the pandemic irelands fuel reserves were down to 3 days at one point..

Ireland gave away its gas and oil. Ireland is more reliant on other nations than Australia "

Sorry, sorry, sorry....Ireland gave away its pil and gas reserves??

Jesus H Christ, that old chestnut!

Good luck!

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

To suggest that Ireland, specifically the Republic of Ireland is going to the dogs, heading downhill is utter bilge; Ireland is Vastly more wealthy than in the 1960s;without going into a complex argument about economic growth and development, Ireland is unrecognisable and most people lead good lives, but not all the boats are lifted by a rising tide.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Australia: GDP per capita 2022 -$66,407

Ireland: GDP per capita 2022 - $102,217

Australia: Population below poverty line - 13.4%

Ireland: Population below poverty line - 11.6%

Haha the old irish gdp number . If you think that's reality then there is no point even trying to explain it to you

If you were to remove all the assets China owns in Australia mines, windfarms, farmland, sea ports, airports etc. (Not including their allies like India, Sri Lanka etc.)

What would Australia's GDP be then?

Because that is the end game for China. Eventually they won't be selling the raw material and paying taxes on it. They'll just export it direct.

Unbelievably 25% of irelands gdp is generated from I phones... I phones are made in China.. during the pandemic irelands fuel reserves were down to 3 days at one point..

Ireland gave away its gas and oil. Ireland is more reliant on other nations than Australia

Sorry, sorry, sorry....Ireland gave away its pil and gas reserves??

Jesus H Christ, that old chestnut!

Good luck!"
it's pretty important chestnut when fuel's reserves were at 3 days supply during the pandemic.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"To suggest that Ireland, specifically the Republic of Ireland is going to the dogs, heading downhill is utter bilge; Ireland is Vastly more wealthy than in the 1960s;without going into a complex argument about economic growth and development, Ireland is unrecognisable and most people lead good lives, but not all the boats are lifted by a rising tide. "

My point is the Irish seem happy to accept utter incompetence in governance year in year out. Why not strive for better . Why just accept a disgraceful health service . Why accept political corruption.the oil and gas chestnut is another example of accepting total mismanagement.

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Do you not think the next government will be the biggest change ever in this country

Good or Bad SF will be in power

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By *alwayVixenWoman
over a year ago

Galway

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin. "

So according to the International Corruption Index ‘Australia has recorded its worst ever score on a key measure of corruption after a long-term decline equal to that of authoritarian Hungary’ 73 out of a 100. Ireland isn’t much better at 74 out of 100. So by these international standards I wouldn’t be too quick to point fingers.

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

"Do you not think the next government will be the biggest change ever in this country

Good or Bad SF will be in power "

Not if no one coalesces with them .

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin. "

Pascal is in trouble for not declaring a few hundred euros . Phil Hogan lost his job for having dinner

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

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By *amsevenMan
over a year ago

cork

And bertie left ff before he was thrown out and soon he'll be running for president

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over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

I'm only 40mins from tullamore .. just helping the guy on the tullamore thread

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

it's pretty important chestnut when fuel's reserves were at 3 days supply during the pandemic."

It's only important when people think we have oil and gas reserves!

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Do you not think the next government will be the biggest change ever in this country

Good or Bad SF will be in power

Not if no one coalesces with them . "

Good point but if ff and fg walk away then PBP and a few others will vote with them Id imagine....then some independents will step up

Unless FF and FG do another deal if they have the numbers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Do you not think the next government will be the biggest change ever in this country

Good or Bad SF will be in power "

If they are it will be a disaster, and they will flip their policy's over night. Be interesting to see how they sell it!

They're own finance director is a slum landlord ffs!

But I don't think they'll get in!

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By *alwayVixenWoman
over a year ago

Galway

Just wondering how that has anything to do with political corruption? Maybe you need to learn a little about international politics before grandstanding on the topic.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

it's pretty important chestnut when fuel's reserves were at 3 days supply during the pandemic.

It's only important when people think we have oil and gas reserves!"

Are you suggesting there are no pil or gas reserves in ireland

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though "

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself "

If you have then you above all should know that our little country is doing very well indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

If you have then you above all should know that our little country is doing very well indeed "

Just wondering what your still doing up at this hour

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

If you have then you above all should know that our little country is doing very well indeed "
I'm willing to bet you are not a business owner. I spend roughly 3 months a year in ireland at different times. Business are struggling with insurance. Fuel prices. Poor communication infrastructure ( certain areas)

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

If you have then you above all should know that our little country is doing very well indeed I'm willing to bet you are not a business owner. I spend roughly 3 months a year in ireland at different times. Business are struggling with insurance. Fuel prices. Poor communication infrastructure ( certain areas)

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted "

Well in snake country you have to be careful where you put your feet and yes your right I do have my own business(I know that’s not what you said)and sold one a few years ago

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By *alwayVixenWoman
over a year ago

Galway

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted "

Earlier you said it was all down to political corruption, now it’s poor governance, or maybe it’s that we as voters are to blame for accepting our woeful fate. Maybe you should just take your so-called business out and leave the rest of us in peace!

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By *alwaymaaaaanMan
over a year ago

Claregalway

How can ye compare Ireland with Australia two massively different countries in terms of wealth and population, would New Zealand not be a better comparison.

Irelands health system is shit and badly run but still most people will get important needed operations free of charge as opposed to America.

The government here is all about themselves and how much money they can make before been voted out too much loyalty in this country for political parties that have consistently screwed the people of this country, price of hotels, food , drink, fuel, utilities way over taxed. Minimum drink price is just ridiculus and was never going to stop the binge drinking.

If planning permission was made more attainable for people to build there own houses it may help free up houses for rent or buy.

For example I looked into building a house where I've lived for the past 8 years but because I wasn't born in the locality and currently own a house that is too small for my now family (had no kids when I bought) I won't be granted planning. This is a house that would be perfect for a first time buyer.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted "

Just not true and its probably more reflective of the management than anything else.

All indigenous manufacturing is up considerably this year, even with inflation!

I work in a rural village, turnover of aapprox €60m, heavily dependant on fuel, we sell our products all over Ireland and the UK, occasionally to South America, Asia and Australia. Business is booming. We've had fibre for years, and the one advantage of Covid is that our clients finally caught up with us regarding online calls and communication.

The government jumps to the beat of indigenous Business. Prove yourself as a sustainable, reliable business and they'll bend over backwards for you!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted "

So you were in oz receiving the benefits that the tax payers in this country are paying for you had too received them if you have a business here

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted

So you were in oz receiving the benefits that the tax payers in this country are paying for you had too received them if you have a business here "
can you explain this in English please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted

So you were in oz receiving the benefits that the tax payers in this country are paying for you had too received them if you have a business here can you explain this in English please "

Did you receive any assistance from the Irish tax payers for your business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted

So you were in oz receiving the benefits that the tax payers in this country are paying for you had too received them if you have a business here can you explain this in English please

Did you receive any assistance from the Irish tax payers for your business "

And it’s usually mistaken and some think it’s the government but as you should know it’s not

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

At least here politicians are held to a higher standard and scrutinised properly..not the old lessons have been learnt line from micheal martin.

One and didn’t run when the going got though

Haha run when the going got tough . You absolutely nothing about me.i have a business in ireland and Australia but clearly you know more about me than I do myself

Also incredibly slow government departments. It's hard place to do business. It all comes back to poor governance which seems to be accepted

So you were in oz receiving the benefits that the tax payers in this country are paying for you had too received them if you have a business here can you explain this in English please

Did you receive any assistance from the Irish tax payers for your business "
what assistance from the tax payer ???

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

I have received no government or tax payers assistance. I have paid business tax in ireland for 19 years and here 10 years. It is unfair to compare ireland and Australia in business terms as they are poles apart. Australia is simply a bigger economy that's not not a dig at ireland its just a fact. But ireland is a hard place to do business. Government agency's are slow and extremely hard to deal with. If ireland was well managed it would transform the island. It has such huge potential which is being severely damaged by poor leadership for decades.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you have a business in supposedly your home country

Did you or any of your employees receive any assistance from the the tax payers in this country

During the pandemic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you have a business in supposedly your home country

Did you or any of your employees receive any assistance from the the tax payers in this country

During the pandemic?"

Because a lot has closed since and while I know it was only a matter of time for some it kept a lot going

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By *aucyladMan
over a year ago

Dublin

This thread is ridiculous. The OP places all the blame on government and sees Oz as the land of promise and hope that delivers. The reality is thatevery country has challenges,yes the health system isn't great here but to change it overnight simply can't happen. They have tried to change things,but change is slow,there are many many factors to consider. Australia has challenges no different than Ireland. Its such a lazy effort when you just throw out the blame the government card all the time.

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By *alwaymaaaaanMan
over a year ago

Claregalway

"This thread is ridiculous. The OP places all the blame on government and sees Oz as the land of promise and hope that delivers. The reality is thatevery country has challenges,yes the health system isn't great here but to change it overnight simply can't happen. They have tried to change things,but change is slow,there are many many factors to consider. Australia has challenges no different than Ireland. Its such a lazy effort when you just throw out the blame the government card all the time. "

This thread has derailed into a tit for tat now,

but just seen where the op said a house in Australia being attainable at 2-3 million, am I mis reading this or if not then surely wages are massive to make this affordable and therfore the other costs of living must be high

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

This thread has derailed into a tit for tat now,

1m to 2m range aud

Approx 650k 1.3m euro

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

This thread has derailed into a tit for tat now,

That's correct!

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Young irish people are arriving in there droves again . Some for the weather and piss up but most because they think they have very poor prospects of getting ahead in ireland buying houses etc. It's sad reflection 10 years after the last crash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ya like we were told go west young man go west

I didn’t well I did for holiday purposes only

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Food is a bit more expensive here

Eating out / socialising roughly the same

Car ownerships Inc purchase fuel insurance etc considerably cheaper

Houses 30% more expensive

Health care same

That cost for cost comparison

Now factor in wages ..Australia is cheaper with more disposable income left after costs

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By *alwaymaaaaanMan
over a year ago

Claregalway

"Food is a bit more expensive here

Eating out / socialising roughly the same

Car ownerships Inc purchase fuel insurance etc considerably cheaper

Houses 30% more expensive

Health care same

That cost for cost comparison

Now factor in wages ..Australia is cheaper with more disposable income left after costs "

Average house price in Ireland is around 500k to 700k much less in rural areas, 2 to 3 million is much more then 30% more.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"Food is a bit more expensive here

Eating out / socialising roughly the same

Car ownerships Inc purchase fuel insurance etc considerably cheaper

Houses 30% more expensive

Health care same

That cost for cost comparison

Now factor in wages ..Australia is cheaper with more disposable income left after costs

Average house price in Ireland is around 500k to 700k much less in rural areas, 2 to 3 million is much more then 30% more.

I said 3 times the 1million to 2 million range

Brisbane average is 850k aud 530keuro

Sydney average is 1.3m aud that 800k euro roughly

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

From living in both countries from the people I know they have far more disposable income in Australia than ireland .if you disagree that's fine but i see both sides

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By *alwaymaaaaanMan
over a year ago

Claregalway

"Food is a bit more expensive here

Eating out / socialising roughly the same

Car ownerships Inc purchase fuel insurance etc considerably cheaper

Houses 30% more expensive

Health care same

That cost for cost comparison

Now factor in wages ..Australia is cheaper with more disposable income left after costs

Average house price in Ireland is around 500k to 700k much less in rural areas, 2 to 3 million is much more then 30% more.

I said 3 times the 1million to 2 million range

Brisbane average is 850k aud 530keuro

Sydney average is 1.3m aud that 800k euro roughly

I didn't read every post just seen the one at the beginning about housing been 2-3 million so really housing is much the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all know Ireland is a kip and it was never run properly, I've heard old people say this country went to the dogs since we got our independence, should we accept poor governance bad health system etc no of course not but we're Irish and the attitude is ah sure it'll be grand, where would we be if we took ourselves seriously, Australia is not a utopia it has its problems, its probably the best of a bad lot

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By *ixie and dixie2022Couple
over a year ago

villiage

It’s a great wee country

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By *cottybear74Man
over a year ago

kilkenny

"It’s a great wee country "

I've lived in a few countries and I'd agree

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"We all know Ireland is a kip and it was never run properly, I've heard old people say this country went to the dogs since we got our independence, should we accept poor governance bad health system etc no of course not but we're Irish and the attitude is ah sure it'll be grand, where would we be if we took ourselves seriously, Australia is not a utopia it has its problems, its probably the best of a bad lot "
I think this sums it up really. It's the acceptance of incompetent and self serving government which hard to watch. Ireland is so full of potential. Leo micheal etc are shockingly bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not into politics and I'm shit at spelling and grammar I do miss words while chatting on the forum, but I'm so proud to be Irish I adore our little country. I may be shit at spelling but I'm a proud Irish lass

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By *ustinSiderMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"My point exactly. Taxed to death to pay for people who won't work.

Australia unemployment... 3.7%

Ireland(26 Co)unemployment... 4.4%

Those aren't hugely different figures? Are they all lazy cunts in Australia then as well?

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By *ixie and dixie2022Couple
over a year ago

villiage

If it’s so bad why stay i was born and bred in Cavan traveled every part north south east and west to be honest it’s a great country ok government is crap who put them there . Ok what do u want to change did you vote in the last election if not don’t complain because you are part of the problem.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

What a shitshow . It's possible for house 50k people effectively over night but 10k homeless for last 10 years couldn't be housed . Utter joke

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By *ani57Man
over a year ago

Naas

Sign of the times and it made me sad, I remember Clonmel shopping centre hopping in the 90s and 2000s absolutely booming, and now literally there's only Peter Marks, that's the only shop left in the place every other shop is boarded up, what the fuck happened there ?? A bad sign of the way the country is going

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sign of the times and it made me sad, I remember Clonmel shopping centre hopping in the 90s and 2000s absolutely booming, and now literally there's only Peter Marks, that's the only shop left in the place every other shop is boarded up, what the fuck happened there ?? A bad sign of the way the country is going"

Do you buy stuff on amazon instead?

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

Cork city is the same .literally falling down and shops closing . Business taxed into the ground paying for the welfare state iteland has turned into

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your bank is there to make a profit. I dont understand businesses being criticised for being run efficiently. "

Really ? ..some people have very very short memories, a few short years ago the people of this country were nailed financially when having to bail out the banks , they had no choice , the USC & Pension levies were introduced and are still there and will remain, it's taken at source so there's no choice for the taxpayer , and now the banks make huge huge profits...and what's given back from them to the people who paid for their fuck up ... exactly..f**k all ...you think that's fair ? I don't .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Council rates were to blame for that , they wanted huge rates from shops .. shops unable to pay so had no choice but to close.

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

"From living in both countries from the people I know they have far more disposable income in Australia than ireland .if you disagree that's fine but i see both sides

On the last fortnight I have read about Aussie soldiers committing war crimes , police over there tasering 95 year olds and an aboriginal TV star being hounded out by racists . Sounds like a delightful place to live

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By *oleraine-coupleCouple
over a year ago

coleraine

Oh bless you came to Fab to post this.

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By *risfun OP Man
over a year ago

brisbane

"From living in both countries from the people I know they have far more disposable income in Australia than ireland .if you disagree that's fine but i see both sides

It is a delightful place to live I particularly like the weather , beaches, low taxes , clean non vandalised public amenities etc etc .

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"What a shitshow . It's possible for house 50k people effectively over night but 10k homeless for last 10 years couldn't be housed . Utter joke "

Your childish understanding, coupled with your willingness to misrepresent the situation makes you pretty much unsuitable for debate.

Maybe I'm being harsh and maybe you just don't understand the difference between the terms homeless, rough sleeping, emergency accommodation, etc. I suggest that if this is something you wish to debate in future that you familiarise yourself with these terms and have a look at the statistics before speaking nonsense.

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

city centre

I really thought this site was about fun, we deal with this kinda shite in our day to day living.

Let’s ban this kind of thread or redirect it to Facebook.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said Michael!

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"No ireland.. health service is a complete and utter disgrace . Anti social behaviour is riff with little or no consequences. The city's are filthy. Homelessness is through the roof.

I was there recently and genuinely got a shock when I saw how bad it was.

Ah you just don't get it is all ... sure were havin right Craic

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"It’s the best country in the world,all I would ask for is a little more sun,best of grub,great people,

And your right the welfare is a rip-off I should be getting way more oh and diesel vouchers too

BRING BACK THE BUTTER VOUCHERS "

#butterforall

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Op.....are you Irish that left the country and moved to

Are you doing as well as expected

I'm not trying to bash ireland I'm genuinely disappointed to see it how it is.

One of the most successful countries in the world with the most successful rate of third level education in the entire European block ... you bitter much ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"There are 380k companies in ireland

10 pay 50% of tax revenue

100 pay 80%

These are frightening figures "

Those figures are just meaningless with being accompanied by their turn overs ... you know this and that's why you left them out

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By *om114Man
over a year ago

Belfast

This is wild to me because I'm old enough to remember when you couldn't walk past a Vauxhall Cavalier without it exploding, so while there's certain areas I'm sure we can improve I really don't think we're "going downhill"

I spent 3 years in Australia and it's got it's faults too. I personally don't care who's not working or how much tax Amazon pay. I only care about my own happiness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It definitely is becoming harder and harder to live in Ireland, rent increases and mortgage rate hikes in recent times only add to the misery, I know someone who skips his lunch every day because he can't afford it, food prices have rocketed and probably won't go back down to the price they were, same with energy prices electric gas coal diesel petrol, the war in Ukraine is being used as a smokescreen to rip people off make no mistake about it, letting a load of migrants in despite not enough housing for the populace here already adding pressure to our already strained public services, schools bursting at the seems, health care system a disaster, the powers that be don't care because they are lining their own pockets at our expense

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34"

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

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By *rish_GuyMan
over a year ago

Foxford

"It definitely is becoming harder and harder to live in Ireland, rent increases and mortgage rate hikes in recent times only add to the misery, I know someone who skips his lunch every day because he can't afford it, food prices have rocketed and probably won't go back down to the price they were, same with energy prices electric gas coal diesel petrol, the war in Ukraine is being used as a smokescreen to rip people off make no mistake about it, letting a load of migrants in despite not enough housing for the populace here already adding pressure to our already strained public services, schools bursting at the seems, health care system a disaster, the powers that be don't care because they are lining their own pockets at our expense "

I agree with this, it's far from easy living in this Country. I'm not saying everybody would be better off living in another country either.

Also for whatever reason you find yourself on the dole. It's not easy to get off of it, for some people either. Even with load's of job's in certain industries.

It doesn't (really) matter how rich this Country is, unless people can see it in their bank account & feel it in their pockets (so to speak). Certain people will always feel that their under pressure living in this Country.

There's 1 more gang, that more than likely will be in government. In the next election( whatever other's think about it). If people don't feel that thing's have improved with them in government. Then it wouldn't make a difference what gang or group are in government in this Country.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

It's handy that Christians don't actually have to believe in or follow the teachings of the religion, and can just pick and choose the bits that backup their prejudices, and ignore the rest as soon as it doesn't suit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Absolutely Christians are the devil's work, you know he's all around us and will tempt, he comes in many different guises, he could actually be a she or could even be gender fluid, yes gender fluid time wasters food for thought there

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Read it again ... and if you need ask grown-up to explain it .

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Is that bigot or bacon i smell ? Anyone else getting that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Read it again ... and if you need ask grown-up to explain it .

OK I just learned how to read yesterday I'll ask someone who his infinitely more experience at reading than I have, thanks for the life hack, maybe I should just speak to an expert like you instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Is that bigot or bacon i smell ? Anyone else getting that ?

I showered this morning I suggest you do the same

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Read it again ... and if you need ask grown-up to explain it .

OK I just learned how to read yesterday I'll ask someone who his infinitely more experience at reading than I have, thanks for the life hack, maybe I should just speak to an expert like you instead "

Sorry , I'd like to help but am trying to cut back on bullshit in my life . Soz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt

Leviticus 19:34

So true I think we should give our houses to migrants and become homeless ourselves, the bible is always right

Read it again ... and if you need ask grown-up to explain it .

OK I just learned how to read yesterday I'll ask someone who his infinitely more experience at reading than I have, thanks for the life hack, maybe I should just speak to an expert like you instead

Sorry , I'd like to help but am trying to cut back on bullshit in my life . Soz

Oh my bad I didn't know you were a farmer

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