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"This is my soapbox to die on. It's all good fun and just adult good times until someone gets horrendously or incurably ill or a 'loved one' does. More horrifying is that those figures are only the ones reported. Multiply out for the untested or undetected and that's the true horror story. Ignorance of how little those kits catch. Ignorance of testing mouth/throat. People choosing to potentially pass on who knows what.... they either don't know or don't care. Bringing it home to unsuspecting innocent spouses or children or elderly relatives or those who share accommodation or facilities. Who tests before kissing others or their kids goodnight? Who out of all who test waits the 2 weeks incubation without being sexual with anyone between new partners? There are folk meeting different people several nights a week according to veris. People at events/parties... you play with a half dozen, they play with a half dozen more yadda yadda. One night and you'll have had sexual contact by 2nd/3rd hand that numbers in three figures. Covid taught folk nothing, kissing all around at any moving target, it's not only full penetrative sex to be mindful of. Grim doesn't really cover it. But perhaps I'm in the minority on here as far as promiscuity goes.... "It's a sex site!!!!"" This is the frightening side of fab! People need to be made more aware and test regular. You may not worry about your sexual partner or partners but think about your direct family. | |||
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"I wonder if cases are REALLY up that much or are we just testing more and so seeing positives that have been in the wild a while. I wouldn't be TOO quick to hysteria. We have our hepatitis vaccine, and regular testing will pick up the most common other ones, most of which are simple enough to treat except hiv which is ridiculously unlikely to conttact from vaginal sex and not the death sentence it once was. Still... condoms reduce the tiny risk to statistical irrelevance. No need to freak out." This, and tbh isn't it better that numbers of people testing are up, heard them saying today numbers are up.because of dating sites on last year, well course they are , we have literally been locked down for 3 years. The sh24 service is great and now that it's available for all counties is great. | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense." What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense. What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? " I guess you're more likely to be closer to people at socials than those other instances: hugs, kisses, chatting with multiple people | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense. What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? I guess you're more likely to be closer to people at socials than those other instances: hugs, kisses, chatting with multiple people " Non fab night out in any bar seems to be posing same risks... | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense." All intimate contact is inherently risky (even for tested people). Not wearing a mask is a risk. Obviously risk can be minimised, but different people have different levels of risk aversion and so we all draw the line depending on our own comfort levels. | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense. What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? I guess you're more likely to be closer to people at socials than those other instances: hugs, kisses, chatting with multiple people Non fab night out in any bar seems to be posing same risks... " For a lot of people,no doubt yeah. I was taking a punt at what the difference might be for some. | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense. What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? I guess you're more likely to be closer to people at socials than those other instances: hugs, kisses, chatting with multiple people Non fab night out in any bar seems to be posing same risks... For a lot of people,no doubt yeah. I was taking a punt at what the difference might be for some. " I know xx Just pointing out that fab social night is exactly the same as any other night in any bar in any country. Some people imagine fab socials to be some kind of borderline orgies | |||
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"It's not hysteria. It's not pious. It's common sense. It's not only STIs either, it's all viruses and infections. I know of someone who had a highly highly infectious non-sexual disease and they continued with socials and their spouse continued to meet with men. It's intimate contact without any common sense. What highly highly infectious non-sexual disease am I going to contract at a Fab social that I couldn’t pick up in Sainsburys, the pub, or sitting in the office at work? I guess you're more likely to be closer to people at socials than those other instances: hugs, kisses, chatting with multiple people Non fab night out in any bar seems to be posing same risks... For a lot of people,no doubt yeah. I was taking a punt at what the difference might be for some. I know xx Just pointing out that fab social night is exactly the same as any other night in any bar in any country. Some people imagine fab socials to be some kind of borderline orgies " Ain't that the truth | |||
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" And according to the news home test kits are unacccurat for some infection. " Which home test kits? Have you a link to an article? | |||
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"This is my soapbox to die on. It's all good fun and just adult good times until someone gets horrendously or incurably ill or a 'loved one' does. More horrifying is that those figures are only the ones reported. Multiply out for the untested or undetected and that's the true horror story. Ignorance of how little those kits catch. Ignorance of testing mouth/throat. People choosing to potentially pass on who knows what.... they either don't know or don't care. Bringing it home to unsuspecting innocent spouses or children or elderly relatives or those who share accommodation or facilities. Who tests before kissing others or their kids goodnight? Who out of all who test waits the 2 weeks incubation without being sexual with anyone between new partners? There are folk meeting different people several nights a week according to veris. People at events/parties... you play with a half dozen, they play with a half dozen more yadda yadda. One night and you'll have had sexual contact by 2nd/3rd hand that numbers in three figures. Covid taught folk nothing, kissing all around at any moving target, it's not only full penetrative sex to be mindful of. Grim doesn't really cover it. But perhaps I'm in the minority on here as far as promiscuity goes.... "It's a sex site!!!!"" Oh dear and the profile is hidden | |||
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"Three thousand two hundred cases reported for the first seven weeks of the year! Huge numbers, frightening when you sit and think about it . And according to the news home test kits are unacccurat for some infection. How often do you test and would it put you off meeting people who haven't tested lately." Op not sure if your figures are correct And what news your reading or listening too But would the same not be said for any transmissible infections that are in circulation at the moment And god knows we don’t know what’s coming down the track | |||
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"If anything people on this site are more aware of getting tested . I have friends who have never been to a clinic or do a at home test . My last test was Christmas next one in next few weeks as due a smear " Get that done girl L | |||
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"Three thousand two hundred cases reported for the first seven weeks of the year! Huge numbers, frightening when you sit and think about it . And according to the news home test kits are unacccurat for some infection. How often do you test and would it put you off meeting people who haven't tested lately. Op not sure if your figures are correct And what news your reading or listening too But would the same not be said for any transmissible infections that are in circulation at the moment And god knows we don’t know what’s coming down the track " This data is readily available on the HPSC website as STI's are notifiable diseases. | |||
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"This is my soapbox to die on. It's all good fun and just adult good times until someone gets horrendously or incurably ill or a 'loved one' does. More horrifying is that those figures are only the ones reported. Multiply out for the untested or undetected and that's the true horror story. Ignorance of how little those kits catch. Ignorance of testing mouth/throat. People choosing to potentially pass on who knows what.... they either don't know or don't care. Bringing it home to unsuspecting innocent spouses or children or elderly relatives or those who share accommodation or facilities. Who tests before kissing others or their kids goodnight? Who out of all who test waits the 2 weeks incubation without being sexual with anyone between new partners? There are folk meeting different people several nights a week according to veris. People at events/parties... you play with a half dozen, they play with a half dozen more yadda yadda. One night and you'll have had sexual contact by 2nd/3rd hand that numbers in three figures. Covid taught folk nothing, kissing all around at any moving target, it's not only full penetrative sex to be mindful of. Grim doesn't really cover it. But perhaps I'm in the minority on here as far as promiscuity goes.... "It's a sex site!!!!" Oh dear and the profile is hidden " | |||
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"Thats why you should always use a jonny for everything apart from oral and non penatrative of course and unless its with someone who your in a long term relationship with" I've read somewhere that stis like clamidya, warts etc.. can be spread without condoms. How true this is I'm not certain but I think I've read it before. | |||
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"Thats why you should always use a jonny for everything apart from oral and non penatrative of course and unless its with someone who your in a long term relationship with I've read somewhere that stis like clamidya, warts etc.. can be spread without condoms. How true this is I'm not certain but I think I've read it before. " Syphilis, herpes and HPV can all be contracted even when using a condom for intercourse. Many stis can spread via oral or rimming without protection. HPV infection is linked to throat as well as penile and cervical cancers. Regardless of whether or not condoms are used, anyone who is non- monogamous should be getting tested regularly. | |||
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"There is no test for herpes or hpv though, many people have hsv1 and hsv2 and carry on as normal same with hpv many people have multiple strains of it and know no different, they might live happily and healthily with it but the person they pass it onto could take a bad reaction and get cancer.. Everyone who is sexually active has at least 1 strain of hpv its that contagious " HPV is tested for as part of regular cervical screening though, and the HPV vaccine is offered as a routine part of NHS vaccination programme which will reduce the risks for those in the younger generation | |||
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"People not using condoms? " Oral fluid condom issues etc . I'd say not wearing condoms isn't the only factor | |||
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"Thats why you should always use a jonny for everything apart from oral and non penatrative of course and unless its with someone who your in a long term relationship with I've read somewhere that stis like clamidya, warts etc.. can be spread without condoms. How true this is I'm not certain but I think I've read it before. Syphilis, herpes and HPV can all be contracted even when using a condom for intercourse. Many stis can spread via oral or rimming without protection. HPV infection is linked to throat as well as penile and cervical cancers. Regardless of whether or not condoms are used, anyone who is non- monogamous should be getting tested regularly." This | |||
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"There is no test for herpes or hpv though, many people have hsv1 and hsv2 and carry on as normal same with hpv many people have multiple strains of it and know no different, they might live happily and healthily with it but the person they pass it onto could take a bad reaction and get cancer.. Everyone who is sexually active has at least 1 strain of hpv its that contagious HPV is tested for as part of regular cervical screening though, and the HPV vaccine is offered as a routine part of NHS vaccination programme which will reduce the risks for those in the younger generation " I'm talking about a regular sti screening with bloods and urine samples taken, they don't test for herpes and hpv. I have reservations about that hpv vaccine so many reports of teenage girls taking bad reactions to it | |||
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"Worth pointing out too that you can have hpv without being sexually active" Some people have warts on their hands.. That's a form of hpv not sexually transmitted though, skin to skin contact is all that's needed to transmit hpv | |||
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"It used to be very fast, but now mine which was dispatched 12 days ago still did not arrive. Before it would arrive after like 2 days. To be fair, they wrote in an sms there are delays from the UK, but unaware why. Hopefully this will not be a norm. " Just found out there are strikes at Royal Mail so post from UK is delayed.. https://www.thejournal.ie/an-post-delays-post-uk-royal-mail-5965169-Jan2023/ Better to then go to a local clinic for the time being. Otherwise sh24 is great. | |||
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"Sh24 is quite slow to receive the test. Can't moan since its free I suppose. Any good clinics in Limerick besides the hospital? " There is a delay with mail from UK so probably better go to a local clinic. Answering again as I did not quote my previous reaponse. No idea bout limerick though. | |||
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"Thats why you should always use a jonny for everything apart from oral and non penatrative of course and unless its with someone who your in a long term relationship with I've read somewhere that stis like clamidya, warts etc.. can be spread without condoms. How true this is I'm not certain but I think I've read it before. " You are correct. Close contact in that area, handjobs, oral can transmit these (chlamydia, gonorrhea). Responded without quoting before so writing again. | |||
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"I was told by one of the nurses at the clinic that they don't test for hpv because it's so common that nearly everyone would test positive. " There are over 100 types of hpv, most are harmless some produce warts, some types cause cancer of the penis, vagina, anus and throat, this is what is causing women to develop cancer of the cervix, there has also been an explosion in throat cancers in recent years. | |||
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"And then there are sex toys. A recent pic posted of a private party had them scattered on the floor. Do folk bring and only use their own? Somehow I doubt it. Is there a party organiser designated to clean them before they get inserted in the next party player? Does ANYONE clean them during the party or after? Or maybe they just get used over and over all day and night and next day and night and then binned? Do they put a condom on a dildo before or after it's used in someone else's ass or vagina? If meeting 1-1 would you let someone use their toys on you? " | |||
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"Sh24 is quite slow to receive the test. Can't moan since its free I suppose. Any good clinics in Limerick besides the hospital? " Family planning clinic Mallow st limerick ring first for an appointment | |||
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"The lack of awareness of the ease of transmission is quite scary. People in this lifestyle should be much more aware of the risks in ALL encounters. " The ease of transmission depends on what sex you are, what you're doing, and what STI it is. Just to out some numbers on this... For example a man having completely unprotected full vaginal sex with a woman who has full blown untreated hiv has approx 4 in 10,000 chance of getting the infection per time. By far the highest risk with hiv is unprotected receptive anal sex, which has a transmission rate of about about 138 in every 10,000 sessions. The rate of transmission from one sexual encounter per sex act with a chlamydia-positive individual is approx. 4.5 %, but this rate is slightly higher for receptive sex. | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play " With regards chlamydia. About 4.5% risk if the other person is positive. With regards hiv the risk is nearly zero. I can't find good stats on oral hpv transmission rates, but I can imagine its higher than these. | |||
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"I wonder if cases are REALLY up that much or are we just testing more and so seeing positives that have been in the wild a while. I wouldn't be TOO quick to hysteria. We have our hepatitis vaccine, and regular testing will pick up the most common other ones, most of which are simple enough to treat except hiv which is ridiculously unlikely to conttact from vaginal sex and not the death sentence it once was. Still... condoms reduce the tiny risk to statistical irrelevance. No need to freak out." yes it is really that bad ..there's been an explosion of extremely drug resistant STIs and contrary to what one poster said here it's equally rampant across all age groups of individuals who have multiple sexual partners... | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play " It's very risky, all it takes is 1 person to have oral chlaymidia probably everyone in the group will get it then, as far as I'm aware a standard sti screening doesn't test for chlaymia in the throat, it tests for chlaymidia in the genitals hence why they will take a urine sample so a person could get a clean bill of sexual health from a gum clinic and still have have infection in their throat.. Good news is a dose of biomycin or amoxycillan will clear for chlaymidia anywhere in the body | |||
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"And then there are sex toys. A recent pic posted of a private party had them scattered on the floor. Do folk bring and only use their own? Somehow I doubt it. Is there a party organiser designated to clean them before they get inserted in the next party player? Does ANYONE clean them during the party or after? Or maybe they just get used over and over all day and night and next day and night and then binned? Do they put a condom on a dildo before or after it's used in someone else's ass or vagina? If meeting 1-1 would you let someone use their toys on you? " Swinging in general is not the cleanest lifestyle, anyone who has sex outside a monogamous relationship is at risk, if having sex with multiple partners the risk is increased 10 fold, I think most people go into this lifestyle with their eyes open and if they didn't have them open they were opened very fast, contracting stds will invariably go hand in hand with swinging even with protection | |||
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"I wonder if cases are REALLY up that much or are we just testing more and so seeing positives that have been in the wild a while. I wouldn't be TOO quick to hysteria. We have our hepatitis vaccine, and regular testing will pick up the most common other ones, most of which are simple enough to treat except hiv which is ridiculously unlikely to conttact from vaginal sex and not the death sentence it once was. Still... condoms reduce the tiny risk to statistical irrelevance. No need to freak out. yes it is really that bad ..there's been an explosion of extremely drug resistant STIs and contrary to what one poster said here it's equally rampant across all age groups of individuals who have multiple sexual partners..." No it's not equal across age groups. Roughly two thirds of all the cases (2000+) are 29 years or younger. This is explained partly by it being the most sexually active age group but I guess also by youth carelessness and lack of awareness/knowledge/education. Also the overall increase in cases has to be put in context. The availability of tests became much easier in the last 2years with free home testing kits. So I'd assume that triggers increased testing and consequently more dedected cases. Which means the free tests are sucessful measure to fight stis. Also last winter we were just coming out of the pandemic so social contacts were still reduced. Therefore comparing last year's figures with this year's will show big increases. There's no need for panicking or becoming abstinent. Just don't behave reckless, protect yourself, get tested regularly and you're grand. ... oh yeah and stay away from the young ones... | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play It's very risky, all it takes is 1 person to have oral chlaymidia probably everyone in the group will get it then, as far as I'm aware a standard sti screening doesn't test for chlaymia in the throat, it tests for chlaymidia in the genitals hence why they will take a urine sample so a person could get a clean bill of sexual health from a gum clinic and still have have infection in their throat.. Good news is a dose of biomycin or amoxycillan will clear for chlaymidia anywhere in the body " Go look at the actual stats. One person in a group WILL NOT give it to everyone else. There is a 4.5% transmission rate from an infected person. I'm not saying its sage because it isn't, but let's not exaggerate it out of all proportion. | |||
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"I wonder if cases are REALLY up that much or are we just testing more and so seeing positives that have been in the wild a while. I wouldn't be TOO quick to hysteria. We have our hepatitis vaccine, and regular testing will pick up the most common other ones, most of which are simple enough to treat except hiv which is ridiculously unlikely to conttact from vaginal sex and not the death sentence it once was. Still... condoms reduce the tiny risk to statistical irrelevance. No need to freak out. yes it is really that bad ..there's been an explosion of extremely drug resistant STIs and contrary to what one poster said here it's equally rampant across all age groups of individuals who have multiple sexual partners..." I didn't say its not bad, I said not to quickly jump to hysteria. | |||
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"Very informative information here and good advice but just curious all are being tested n safe tg it must be possible that some must actually have got infected be interesting to hear symptoms or how they dealt with it but of course prevention is way better that cure" I doubt anyone will post on here about a positive result. | |||
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"I test regulary .practice safe sex , What more can you do " Not much. | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play It's very risky, all it takes is 1 person to have oral chlaymidia probably everyone in the group will get it then, as far as I'm aware a standard sti screening doesn't test for chlaymia in the throat, it tests for chlaymidia in the genitals hence why they will take a urine sample so a person could get a clean bill of sexual health from a gum clinic and still have have infection in their throat.. Good news is a dose of biomycin or amoxycillan will clear for chlaymidia anywhere in the body Go look at the actual stats. One person in a group WILL NOT give it to everyone else. There is a 4.5% transmission rate from an infected person. I'm not saying its sage because it isn't, but let's not exaggerate it out of all proportion. " If you read again I said probably, nothing is sure in life, for me I wouldn't engage in a multiple oral meet because imo it's high risk but if other people want to then fire away, no need for block capitals I can understand without thank you, where are you getting these statistics just for information purposes? | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play It's very risky, all it takes is 1 person to have oral chlaymidia probably everyone in the group will get it then, as far as I'm aware a standard sti screening doesn't test for chlaymia in the throat, it tests for chlaymidia in the genitals hence why they will take a urine sample so a person could get a clean bill of sexual health from a gum clinic and still have have infection in their throat.. Good news is a dose of biomycin or amoxycillan will clear for chlaymidia anywhere in the body Go look at the actual stats. One person in a group WILL NOT give it to everyone else. There is a 4.5% transmission rate from an infected person. I'm not saying its sage because it isn't, but let's not exaggerate it out of all proportion. If you read again I said probably, nothing is sure in life, for me I wouldn't engage in a multiple oral meet because imo it's high risk but if other people want to then fire away, no need for block capitals I can understand without thank you, where are you getting these statistics just for information purposes? " In order for something to be probable it needs to have a risk higher than 4.5 percent in my opinion. Google it. There are lots of quality scientific studies in the area. | |||
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"I often wonder about unprotected oral sex How risky is it especially in group play It's very risky, all it takes is 1 person to have oral chlaymidia probably everyone in the group will get it then, as far as I'm aware a standard sti screening doesn't test for chlaymia in the throat, it tests for chlaymidia in the genitals hence why they will take a urine sample so a person could get a clean bill of sexual health from a gum clinic and still have have infection in their throat.. Good news is a dose of biomycin or amoxycillan will clear for chlaymidia anywhere in the body Go look at the actual stats. One person in a group WILL NOT give it to everyone else. There is a 4.5% transmission rate from an infected person. I'm not saying its sage because it isn't, but let's not exaggerate it out of all proportion. If you read again I said probably, nothing is sure in life, for me I wouldn't engage in a multiple oral meet because imo it's high risk but if other people want to then fire away, no need for block capitals I can understand without thank you, where are you getting these statistics just for information purposes? In order for something to be probable it needs to have a risk higher than 4.5 percent in my opinion. Google it. There are lots of quality scientific studies in the area." Not all scientific studies will produce the same results so don't take what you read on Google as verbatim, 4.5% is not definitive | |||
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"Of course nothing is definitive. It's all about risks and probabilities. The risk of everyone in the group being infected by 1 person is ridiculously tiny though. Not probable " How many is in a group though? How long is a piece of string? I want to see this scientific study you are basing everything on and who is funding this scientific research | |||
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"I did statistics as part of my maths alevel and always remember one thing we were taught. Statistics will say whatever the report writer wants them to" Percisely | |||
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"Of course nothing is definitive. It's all about risks and probabilities. The risk of everyone in the group being infected by 1 person is ridiculously tiny though. Not probable How many is in a group though? How long is a piece of string? I want to see this scientific study you are basing everything on and who is funding this scientific research " https://sti.bmj.com/content/87/Suppl_1/A175.2 | |||
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"Of course nothing is definitive. It's all about risks and probabilities. The risk of everyone in the group being infected by 1 person is ridiculously tiny though. Not probable How many is in a group though? How long is a piece of string? I want to see this scientific study you are basing everything on and who is funding this scientific research https://sti.bmj.com/content/87/Suppl_1/A175.2" No were in that study does it mention oral to genital transmission of chlaymidia or vice versa, that 4.5% is based upon one act of coital sex per week, coitus is penile to vaginal sex and according to this study 4.5% is only probable | |||
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