FabSwingers.com forum: Battery cars

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are many fabbers rushing out to buy a new Ev

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By *huCullainMan
over a year ago

Rathowen

I've a Kona ordered. Not doing the kinda mileage I was doing before so it'll do the job for me.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

The cost is a major issue as far as I'm concerned. My current car is the most expensive I've ever owned and it was less than £5k.

I know 3 people with EV's and they are always in a panic trying to find charging points and every journey becomes an adventure so that puts me off as well.

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By *huCullainMan
over a year ago

Rathowen

"The cost is a major issue as far as I'm concerned. My current car is the most expensive I've ever owned and it was less than £5k.

I know 3 people with EV's and they are always in a panic trying to find charging points and every journey becomes an adventure so that puts me off as well. "

Oh I'm keeping a good auld fashioned fossil fuel yolk in the yard too. I don't trust ev's that much yet

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

The range anxiety and cost v's the savings means its a no go for me

Going to leave my diesel car as long as possible after 2030 without replacing it

Filled the car on Saturday....drove to Belfast and Back the weekend ....didnt have to stop somewhere to charge it and still have 600kms in the tank

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

A customer of mine had a Mercedes electric needed a new battery pack was out of warranty cost 17grand to repair

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

My plan is to buy a diesel in 2028/2030 and drive it for the rest of my life that or wait till hydrogen technology becomes main stream and go with that

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By *exesrangerMan
over a year ago

out and and about

I've got a big battery one and I gotta say, I like it. There was some amount of range anxiety at the beginning but now I can roll in my driveway with 1% and not even one bead of sweat on my forehead. Granted, its different than pulling into a petrol station to fill up but on the other hand I laugh every time I pass one by. Planning is key. I travel to every corner of the country and have not had any issued.

One you go black you never go back

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The total running costs of electric vehicles are very attractive, but purchase costs are still too high.

I currently have a diesel car, that I rarely use, but I intentionally start conversations with EV owners quite frequently.

Top of the list is range anxiety and the lack of fast charging points in most parts of the country.

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By *jwexladMan
over a year ago

new ross

Know a guy with a battery Audi jeep… said he was a whole day driving from wexford to galway with stops and charging

no network for them and they aren’t practical at all

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By *exesrangerMan
over a year ago

out and and about

"Know a guy with a battery Audi jeep… said he was a whole day driving from wexford to galway with stops and charging

no network for them and they aren’t practical at all "

3hr 35min and 247klm I'd could do that run straight without stopping with 30% left in the tank. But out of convenience I'd usually plan a stop half way and fast charge that would juice me back up to 80% again while i grab a coffee. Lecky prices have drastically increased, not that I need to tell anyone that but my point is that there's not a huge difference between economies with that of having a petrol/diesel at this time but I guess to say we're all hoping that lecky prices will go down to more favourable numbers eh?

I tell ya what though, feckin tyres ain't cheap for them yolks either !!! Oh golly

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By *ateniteCouple
over a year ago

Youghal

Alot of our large clients are pushing the Environmental, Social, Governance agenda with unrealistic targets for commiting to net zero etc. One of their asks is how soon we can commit to transferring a fleet of 200 field enginering vans across to ev vehicles. Its an absolutely ridiculous ask and _specially when their own fleets remain to be the good aul peugeot partner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope stick with petrol diesel anyone who buys an Ev is being taken for a fool, it'll turn out to be the biggest con we've ever seen, do you really think humans can abandon the use of fossil fuels not a hope

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By *ickheadcuntCouple
over a year ago

Cork Ireland

EV's are utter shit unless you have ridiculous amount of money. Hydrogen and man made fuel is the future

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"EV's are utter shit unless you have ridiculous amount of money. Hydrogen and man made fuel is the future "

I agree to a point. I think EVs are the present. They are not the way forward and they won't be the future.

If scientist's can crack fusion, (estimates of 30 years, I reckon half that!) How we power every single thing in the world changes! EVs will be redundant, but current buyers unlikely to be affected just yet

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By *ixie and dixie2022Couple
over a year ago

villiage

It all depends on your circumstances we have solar panels which we u to charge car then they heat they water yes even work in this weather then when at work there is a free charger there it’s 240 miles round trip every day so it works for us

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

My neighbour had an electric Mini paid 9 grand more than a petrol one he was told he would get 220 miles of range . He was getting 100 he took it back saying it was not fit for purpose and to there credit they dealership gave him a full refund which he then spent on a petrol Mini and saved 9 grand

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

The whole EV debate seems very short sighted and narrow minded to me. Im an Engineer by profession and have a very good knowledge of powertrain engineering.

The EV has its place but its not going to be the game changer that its made out to be or very practicle for a lot of very important everyday applications.

It wont work for farming or heavy haulage and on top of that it will leave under delevoped countries in the dark ages with no workable options.

The real future is in a fuel such as hydrogen or somthing similar where it produces zero emmisions but can be refuelled in minutes without the need for very expensive fixed infrastructure.

That is coming. It is too late I agree but it is coming.

And until then I will drive as green a petrol or hybrid vehicle that I can afford and look after it because the next 10 years will turn motoring on its head

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Beside all the flaws mentioned above if you charge your car with electricity that is mainly generated by fossile fuel the ecological footprint of an EV is worse than any petrol or diesel car. We don't even generate enough electricity to run EVs on a large scale. It's not gonna happen. Buying an EV is a waste of money.

As others mentioned the hydrogen car will be the game changer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hydrogen will certainly will come more into play for heavy industry jcb have put alot of investment into hydrogen engines for heavy plant equipment.

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I've no interest in getting an ev car at any point. I don't own my own house I rent so I have no way of even charging one at home and I'm certainly not putting a charging point in for one. There are no chargers anywhere near where I live or work so they would be completely impractical for me.Plus the cost of them is way beyond my budget. So I've no interest in getting one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not enough charging points available to even consider it.

I drive 100km each way to work ( thankfully only twice a week) but no where at work to charge, would have to park it at the charge point, get a lift to the office abd than try and organise to get back during my day to take it off when charged as someone else would want to use the charge point.

I have a diesel and will be sticking with that for as long as possible.

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By *enguin1Man
over a year ago

The sticks

No for me as I regularly tow a trailer behind the car

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By *ildGroverMan
over a year ago

rathfarnham

Hoping to change this year and it'll be to a hybrid if I do.

Don't do a lot of kms so from what I've heard it would make sense

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Hoping to change this year and it'll be to a hybrid if I do.

Don't do a lot of kms so from what I've heard it would make sense"

I think Hybrids are also banned from 2030

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By *heelofTimeCouple
over a year ago

Two Rivers

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By *az66Man
over a year ago

Portadown

Have had an EV now for four months & although initially unsure as a lot of negative opinion around them , I’m now a convert.

Have a home charger , which makes all the difference , and currently on a full charge have 240 miles daily. The range will rise to 300 miles in the warmer months ….or month in an Irish summer

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By *heelofTimeCouple
over a year ago

Two Rivers

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Are many fabbers rushing out to buy a new Ev"

The killing thing for me is most of them don't have a lower carbon print over their life span yet

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
over a year ago

The West

"Hoping to change this year and it'll be to a hybrid if I do.

Don't do a lot of kms so from what I've heard it would make sense

I think Hybrids are also banned from 2030 "

Not before time. Hybrids should be banned immediately. They're a silly waste of natural resources, particularly in bigger vehicles.

You're buying a petrol car!

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"No for me as I regularly tow a trailer behind the car"

Spot on. I tow regularly too. All bar one ev on the market here at the moment are not rated for towing anything near what is required in the real world.

Talks of ev pickups and 4x4s hitting market soon but prices and range just do not make economic sense.

Its fine for a small car that does small to medium milage. But not practicle for medium to high demand and power requirements

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Hoping to change this year and it'll be to a hybrid if I do.

Don't do a lot of kms so from what I've heard it would make sense

I think Hybrids are also banned from 2030 "

Fossil fuel powered hybrids... theres more than one way to fuel a hybrid

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

A friend had an issue with hers this morning. She went to a meeting and all the charging points nearby were out of action so had to drive 5 miles to another and arrange a lift to the meeting.

She had to cancel a second meeting because her app told her the car was almost fully charged and she didn't want to be fined for not removing the car.

Got a lift back to the car to discover it was only at 70 percent so she had to reschedule her entire afternoon and go back tomorrow and do it all over again.

Who could be bothered with that?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Hoping to change this year and it'll be to a hybrid if I do.

Don't do a lot of kms so from what I've heard it would make sense

I think Hybrids are also banned from 2030

Fossil fuel powered hybrids... theres more than one way to fuel a hybrid"

I didn't know that.

What's the alternative to fossil fueled hybrids?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"My neighbour had an electric Mini paid 9 grand more than a petrol one he was told he would get 220 miles of range . He was getting 100 he took it back saying it was not fit for purpose and to there credit they dealership gave him a full refund which he then spent on a petrol Mini and saved 9 grand"

You can get them tested before buying

.. like everything they get worse with age ... cell gone in battery .. they can be replaced one at a time .

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The whole EV debate seems very short sighted and narrow minded to me. Im an Engineer by profession and have a very good knowledge of powertrain engineering.

The EV has its place but its not going to be the game changer that its made out to be or very practicle for a lot of very important everyday applications.

It wont work for farming or heavy haulage and on top of that it will leave under delevoped countries in the dark ages with no workable options.

The real future is in a fuel such as hydrogen or somthing similar where it produces zero emmisions but can be refuelled in minutes without the need for very expensive fixed infrastructure.

That is coming. It is too late I agree but it is coming.

And until then I will drive as green a petrol or hybrid vehicle that I can afford and look after it because the next 10 years will turn motoring on its head "

Unlikely that we will ever create enough hydrogen without covering the world in nuclear plants or constantly burning fossil fuels. Producing that much hydrogen from renewable energy is never gonna happen imo

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Hydrogen will certainly will come more into play for heavy industry jcb have put alot of investment into hydrogen engines for heavy plant equipment."

Hydrogen combustion is an option but its a very inefficient use of hydrogen - which if green hydrogen is very expensive to produce.

A more efficient way to use it is via fuel cells.

Now dont get me wrong - hats off to jcb because their engine is very cost effective and very suitable for retro fitting to existing fossil fueled equipment.

It is however a workable option that is far better than trying to electrify heavy equipment

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Beside all the flaws mentioned above if you charge your car with electricity that is mainly generated by fossile fuel the ecological footprint of an EV is worse than any petrol or diesel car. We don't even generate enough electricity to run EVs on a large scale. It's not gonna happen. Buying an EV is a waste of money.

As others mentioned the hydrogen car will be the game changer.

Hydrogen has already been perfected years ago in the Honda , Hydrogen stations exist in different parts of the world and still after all those years it has not taken off and not become what it should be. What do we think will drive a change in that area?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I read somewhere last year about a Chinese firm that were intending to provide a battery replacement service where you'd drive into their workshop and they'd whip out your battery, replacing it with a fully charged one. Similar to the way we buy gas cylinders. I think the idea is that it should take only a few minutes to do and that they'd position their locations along major routes. It obviously requires buy in from car manufacturers but it's a nice idea in theory. The practice may not be the same if it ever comes to pass.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

As others mentioned the hydrogen car will be the game changer.

It'll probably require oil companies suddenly finding ready made hydrogen in the ground!

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By *heelofTimeCouple
over a year ago

Two Rivers

The push on EV cars is the fact the world has to reach a carbon footprint of 2 tonnes per person by 2050 to keep the world temperature from increasing. Current global average is 4 tonnes per person (actually higher here in Ireland).

To get back to EV cars they are considered more sustainable than combustion engines as it is assumed they are charged by green energy sources when not charged by green energy this equates to less environmentally sustainable . I suppose wind energy is increasing but that also has its flaws the turbines can’t be recycled and also have batteries but that’s not what I am typing now diverging slightly….. but battery brings me to my next point.

Lithium ion is considered more sustainable than fossil fuels to obtain across the full cycle through to delivery to consumer. However end of life they cause considerable environmental impacts (toxin release) if not disposed of correctly.

Our phones lithium ion batteries show the flaws of this type of battery. They need to be charged not to full charge and never let fully discharge. The manufacturers state the lif_span of an EV battery is 100-150k km. To replace the battery is in the 000s range.

Cost - more expensive upfront to purchase, limited charging infrastructure - which is being developed.

Finally will the koolio’s be moving to EV car? Not until the puppeteers pull the strings and force us into compliance. EV cars are not the answer…. Fred Flindstone type car may be the only alternative.

Xxx Missy

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"The whole EV debate seems very short sighted and narrow minded to me. Im an Engineer by profession and have a very good knowledge of powertrain engineering.

The EV has its place but its not going to be the game changer that its made out to be or very practicle for a lot of very important everyday applications.

It wont work for farming or heavy haulage and on top of that it will leave under delevoped countries in the dark ages with no workable options.

The real future is in a fuel such as hydrogen or somthing similar where it produces zero emmisions but can be refuelled in minutes without the need for very expensive fixed infrastructure.

That is coming. It is too late I agree but it is coming.

And until then I will drive as green a petrol or hybrid vehicle that I can afford and look after it because the next 10 years will turn motoring on its head

Thats the thing - I agree - the neuclear question is going to be key too.

Wind and solar is fantasic but I cannt see those being able to fully replace fossil without more neuclear to bolster it

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

You can get them tested before buying

.. like everything they get worse with age ... cell gone in battery .. they can be replaced one at a time . "
the car was brand new

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Wouldn't it be easier if a standard was invented

Then plug and drive....you pull in your battery is removed by a machine ...fully charged battery installed and old battery into a charging unit ready for future use by someone else

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Hydrogen will certainly will come more into play for heavy industry jcb have put alot of investment into hydrogen engines for heavy plant equipment.

Hydrogen combustion is an option but its a very inefficient use of hydrogen - which if green hydrogen is very expensive to produce.

A more efficient way to use it is via fuel cells.

Now dont get me wrong - hats off to jcb because their engine is very cost effective and very suitable for retro fitting to existing fossil fueled equipment.

It is however a workable option that is far better than trying to electrify heavy equipment"

I think I'm right in saying heavy equipment has been electrified for years some of the largest quarrying equipment in the world runs on electricity

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The whole EV debate seems very short sighted and narrow minded to me. Im an Engineer by profession and have a very good knowledge of powertrain engineering.

The EV has its place but its not going to be the game changer that its made out to be or very practicle for a lot of very important everyday applications.

It wont work for farming or heavy haulage and on top of that it will leave under delevoped countries in the dark ages with no workable options.

The real future is in a fuel such as hydrogen or somthing similar where it produces zero emmisions but can be refuelled in minutes without the need for very expensive fixed infrastructure.

That is coming. It is too late I agree but it is coming.

And until then I will drive as green a petrol or hybrid vehicle that I can afford and look after it because the next 10 years will turn motoring on its head

Thats the thing - I agree - the neuclear question is going to be key too.

Wind and solar is fantasic but I cannt see those being able to fully replace fossil without more neuclear to bolster it"

Yep and it will take one dictator sneeze to make us look like Mars

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

You can get them tested before buying

.. like everything they get worse with age ... cell gone in battery .. they can be replaced one at a time . the car was brand new "

Can happen ... with any new item

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Wouldn't it be easier if a standard was invented

Then plug and drive....you pull in your battery is removed by a machine ...fully charged battery installed and old battery into a charging unit ready for future use by someone else "

Is there an echo in here?

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By *heelofTimeCouple
over a year ago

Two Rivers

"The whole EV debate seems very short sighted and narrow minded to me. Im an Engineer by profession and have a very good knowledge of powertrain engineering.

The EV has its place but its not going to be the game changer that its made out to be or very practicle for a lot of very important everyday applications.

It wont work for farming or heavy haulage and on top of that it will leave under delevoped countries in the dark ages with no workable options.

The real future is in a fuel such as hydrogen or somthing similar where it produces zero emmisions but can be refuelled in minutes without the need for very expensive fixed infrastructure.

That is coming. It is too late I agree but it is coming.

And until then I will drive as green a petrol or hybrid vehicle that I can afford and look after it because the next 10 years will turn motoring on its head

Thats the thing - I agree - the neuclear question is going to be key too.

Wind and solar is fantasic but I cannt see those being able to fully replace fossil without more neuclear to bolster it"

The issue with countries moving to nuclear is the fear factor. Due to my education and job the benefits of nuclear energy to me is crystal clear as an alternative energy supply.

However the fear factor for safety prevents this energy source being utilised. The first hand after effects of a disaster have been seen. - Chernobyl and Fukushima.

The other main concern which is the main one is the disposal of the radioactive waste permanently. I know there are methods in place but these aren’t long term viable solutions.

Xxx Missy

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Wouldn't it be easier if a standard was invented

Then plug and drive....you pull in your battery is removed by a machine ...fully charged battery installed and old battery into a charging unit ready for future use by someone else "

theoretically yes.. but that will limit inovation and technology.

Look at the arguement over standard usb c chargers...

Anyhows - you still need the raw materials to make these batteries and infrastructure to charge them.

If developed nations will struggle with that then the deleloping world will be banished to the dark ages by the EV.

Just my opinion

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

As others mentioned the hydrogen car will be the game changer.

Im tending to agree with you on this. But my concern is how all this hydrogen will be produced.

As someone already said - we may be left with no option but to examine nuclear again... and that is a whole other debate and risk profile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My plan is to buy a diesel in 2028/2030 and drive it for the rest of my life that or wait till hydrogen technology becomes main stream and go with that"

JCB just announced a hydrogen engine

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"My plan is to buy a diesel in 2028/2030 and drive it for the rest of my life that or wait till hydrogen technology becomes main stream and go with that

JCB just announced a hydrogen engine

Correct. Testing since end of 2021 with good resuts. Based on their existing diesel engines.

Cummins are also ready to launch a range of hydrogen engines and on top of that they have also begun manufactuting large scale H2 electrolysers.

Toyota recently tested a version of their 1.6 petrol engine converted to hydrogen at Le Man 24 hour also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Electric powered vehicles are the way forward.

But only when they come up with an alternative to current batteries for storing the power.

I will stick with my 18 year old diesel Merc. 1200 km range and depreciation is virtually zero.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have one at the moment and I love driving it. Now that I have a charger in the house makes it alot easier to plan your day. Most of the fast chargers are now 69p kWh at least which means it costs nearly £56 for a full charge of 180 miles.

The infrastructure isn’t available yet and the grid can not sustain the amount that is needed.

If you do less than 100 miles a day and can have a charger at home then an EV is a good choice but only if you don’t rely on the public chargers.

But again I’ve been lucky to own some top of the range Audi’s and BMWs and my ev is the best driving experience I’ve ever had. (When charged)

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Recycled dildo vehicles are the way forward.

They look like a BMW but with indicators

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By *omxdomMan
over a year ago

southside

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over a year ago

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Electric is completely unsuited to my uses. We have a big family so we need 7 seater. These are incredibly expensive in electric and have low range because of the weight. Also I do a lot of towing heavy loads (giggidy) for work, and picking up business supplies, which is why I also have a big 2.5l twin turbo jeep, and duplicating the power of that with electric is impractical at best. I also run several business vans, which may eventually be possible to exchange when the range improves a bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are many fabbers rushing out to buy a new Ev"

I have a hybrid and like it alot, it's my second one I've owned.

As for pure EV the days of cheap charging are long gone and anyone who thinks the Gov will allow cheap fuel is very naive.

Like diesel used to be cheap (er) until they became popular now it's massively more expensive to balance out the fuel economy to revenue.

EV charging will be the same with high tax for some excuse

Thats all only a fairy tale to drag more money out of us.

And

Until we have sustainability in electric production from natural resources (wind,wave,hydro,solar) etc it's all coming from fossil fuel anyway

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By *anysicoMan
over a year ago

cork

My Hiace will do me for the rest of my life , 1ml to work atm

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Rather than pushing EVs, the government should work on a decent public transport. Much more sustainable.

Let's start with a decent link to the airport... Oh hang on that was pushed out again for another couple of years! Madness!!! The only European capital with no decent public transport link to airport.

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Rather than pushing EVs, the government should work on a decent public transport. Much more sustainable.

You do realise that the N20, the current main road between Cork and Limerick is narrower than 2 lanes of the M50 for a considerable part of it

Also it regularly gets held up by wild goats on the road near Buttevant and gets stopped when the farmer near Banogue needs to move his cows across the road for milking during the summer....

I agree there should be a proper light rail link to Dublin airport but a bit of equality and levelling of the playing field needs to happen down here first.

I have yet to hear of a Luas delayed by a goat or a cow

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Rather than pushing EVs, the government should work on a decent public transport. Much more sustainable.

You do realise that the N20, the current main road between Cork and Limerick is narrower than 2 lanes of the M50 for a considerable part of it

Also it regularly gets held up by wild goats on the road near Buttevant and gets stopped when the farmer near Banogue needs to move his cows across the road for milking during the summer....

I agree there should be a proper light rail link to Dublin airport but a bit of equality and levelling of the playing field needs to happen down here first.

I have yet to hear of a Luas delayed by a goat or a cow"

Thats the Red line .....the Green line is more likely to be delayed by an Alpaca

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Rather than pushing EVs, the government should work on a decent public transport. Much more sustainable.

You do realise that the N20, the current main road between Cork and Limerick is narrower than 2 lanes of the M50 for a considerable part of it

Also it regularly gets held up by wild goats on the road near Buttevant and gets stopped when the farmer near Banogue needs to move his cows across the road for milking during the summer....

I agree there should be a proper light rail link to Dublin airport but a bit of equality and levelling of the playing field needs to happen down here first.

I have yet to hear of a Luas delayed by a goat or a cow

Thats the Red line .....the Green line is more likely to be delayed by an Alpaca "

North side or south side Alpaca??? Very different animals... one is a living breathing creature, the other is more a winter coat...

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Rather than pushing EVs, the government should work on a decent public transport. Much more sustainable.

You do realise that the N20, the current main road between Cork and Limerick is narrower than 2 lanes of the M50 for a considerable part of it

Also it regularly gets held up by wild goats on the road near Buttevant and gets stopped when the farmer near Banogue needs to move his cows across the road for milking during the summer....

I agree there should be a proper light rail link to Dublin airport but a bit of equality and levelling of the playing field needs to happen down here first.

I have yet to hear of a Luas delayed by a goat or a cow

Thats the Red line .....the Green line is more likely to be delayed by an Alpaca

North side or south side Alpaca??? Very different animals... one is a living breathing creature, the other is more a winter coat..."

Bog is mistaken. Those are llamas on the southside. They're much the same as alpacas just with a lot more neck on them!

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By *iglad69420Man
over a year ago

Louth / Dublin

"No for me as I regularly tow a trailer behind the car

Spot on. I tow regularly too. All bar one ev on the market here at the moment are not rated for towing anything near what is required in the real world.

Talks of ev pickups and 4x4s hitting market soon but prices and range just do not make economic sense.

Its fine for a small car that does small to medium milage. But not practicle for medium to high demand and power requirements "

what alot of people fail to understand is that whats needed is the right tool of the job. electric and hydrogen will both be needed in the future for different roles.

electric pickups/ 4x4 either don't exist yet, or are pretty bad if they do. the rivian is a good vehicle, its just a bad pickup truck, it can't really tow, it does maybe 160km on a charge with a trailer around the size of a small horse box. that's why toyota is thinking of a hydrogen powered hilux. now you can say what you want as to hydrogen vs electric efficiency rates, but if it actually works and can tow alot then thats what's required. land rover is doing a hydrogen powered range rover. the uk is closing all its hydrogen filling station as nobody uses them.

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over a year ago

"No for me as I regularly tow a trailer behind the car

Spot on. I tow regularly too. All bar one ev on the market here at the moment are not rated for towing anything near what is required in the real world.

Talks of ev pickups and 4x4s hitting market soon but prices and range just do not make economic sense.

Its fine for a small car that does small to medium milage. But not practicle for medium to high demand and power requirements

what alot of people fail to understand is that whats needed is the right tool of the job. electric and hydrogen will both be needed in the future for different roles.

JCB are investing heavily on hydrogen for their machines

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By *ka ..Agent k ..Man
over a year ago

..I'll eat my hat before I've to make a purchase, honestly think we had that technology forty years ago with milk floats and moon buggies so on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope ..have no intention to.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

It's an interesting press release from Ferrari about their intention to take the full electric route, but they don't want to lose that distinctive roar from the ICE exhausts, so they intend to fit some artificial exhaust sound generators to these cars.

I don't think anyone else has taken this route, but I could be mistaken.

Am I?

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"It's an interesting press release from Ferrari about their intention to take the full electric route, but they don't want to lose that distinctive roar from the ICE exhausts, so they intend to fit some artificial exhaust sound generators to these cars.

I don't think anyone else has taken this route, but I could be mistaken.

Am I?"

VW and Hyundai have been using noise generators in their EVs for several years now as a safety feature- to create more road noise for pedestrians

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

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I don't think anyone else has taken this route, but I could be mistaken.

Am I?

VW and Hyundai have been using noise generators in their EVs for several years now as a safety feature- to create more road noise for pedestrians "

A neighbour has an Audi GT ETron I think its called....its like the car Iron Man drove in the movies

He can change the sounds it makes

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By *asteritsallgoodMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

Just sent you a mail. Might be able to assist the client you mentioned below.

"Alot of our large clients are pushing the Environmental, Social, Governance agenda with unrealistic targets for commiting to net zero etc. One of their asks is how soon we can commit to transferring a fleet of 200 field enginering vans across to ev vehicles. Its an absolutely ridiculous ask and _specially when their own fleets remain to be the good aul peugeot partner."

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By *LIVEANDKICKING100Man
over a year ago

DUBLIN

Nope. It's a scam. EVs may not emit but 2/3 of our lecky is generated by fossil fuels in Ireland. EV production produces on average 18 T of Co. An average ICE car on the road now doing 12,000 miles puts out 2.5 Tons per year. On that basis keeping your ICE car is more friendly to the environment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn't ever own one, the manufacturing process of the car and battery puts out more pollution then a mid size car does, plus the battery are only good for 5 to 10 years there soon be a shortage of micro chips for all electrical goods and cobalt for the batteries due to the illegal mining of cobalt in the congo

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By *LIVEANDKICKING100Man
over a year ago

DUBLIN

No. No No.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Frankly, I know I would never purchase, or lease, an electric or hybrid car.

They are simply too costly to purchase, and charging points are a very serious restriction in Ireland, both north and south.

I used to drive a truly phenomenal amount of miles every year, sometimes over 35,000, but for the last 7 years I have availed of public transport since a free travel pass is given to sixty year olds in NI, solely for use in the north and everywhere in the Island from 65.

The maximum number of short journeys I have taken in a single day is twelve!, and when the days lengthen, and the weather improves, I intend to avail of the senior pass even more.

It would be an imprudent use of my resources to use private transport; but I still do own a car that I no longer use.

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By *rokenAngelandTheDivilCouple
over a year ago

Near By

I have an ev just under a month, I charge at home and its cost about 20% of what my diesel did to run, on one occasion I've had to charge on the road (probably would have made it home near zero) I currently have a range of 430 which should improve when it gets warmer however if you've a heavy right foot that range will drop by 50%

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By *spMan
over a year ago

Who know's

I’m very undecided. I like them. Instead of me going on about things I’m still not confident to give my opinion on.

Have a look at the electric Viking on youtube.

He is very informative about anything to do with EV’s and various other new energy stuff.

He posts a few videos a day.

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By *LIVEANDKICKING100Man
over a year ago

DUBLIN

Last time I had a battery car I was 10 and I got it as a Christmas present.

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