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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour." Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S" All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too " But they all chose to become the opposition With made up figures | |||
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"Honestly... I'm surprised it took as long as it did for the right wing thugs to show their true colours. " There will always be people who love having someone else to blame when their lives are shit.  | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too " Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? | |||
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"Not all the baddies are on the extreme right. Lots of very dangerous folk on the extreme left also. Just takes those in the middle ground not speaking out for what is morally correct to allow the left and right looneys to prosper." Extreme left aren’t attacking migrants at the minute, this “what about them uns” is a poor excuse to skip over totally unacceptable behaviour | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area." Drug pushers and convicted criminals running the one in Fermoy Complete spoofers ,grifters and hopefully gets put away for robbing from the charity shop in cork | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area." It just reaffirms the horseshoe theory. | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area. It just reaffirms the horseshoe theory. " Yes indeed it does. And for many of those vocal on both extreams there is an element of horsh1te involved also.  | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area." I’m sorry but you’re not correct. The far left are the ones organising to defend migrants. Making false moral equivalences is part of what allows fascism to fester. Saying ‘they’re both as bad as each other’ allows whataboutery to enter the conversation when the attacks the OP mentioned are raised. Let’s be crystal clear, the far right are responsible for the current hate filled mobs demonstrating. And it’s incumbent on everyone else regardless of political persuasion to resist that. Because if these people ever got a hold on society they’d have women in laundries, gay people oppressed and the church back in the ascendancy. Fair play to the majority of posters here who are abhorred by what’s gone on, great to see. | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area." The left and the right have never been as clearly defined in Ireland as they are in America or Europe and will often be seen together fighting for a common cause. I would have thought that they were fairly distinct on this issue though and maybe its just a case of people realigning themselves? I know someone who used to be a member of a left wing party but she always seemed way out of place to me as she had an objection to any progressive policy the party had. Her FB is currently littered with a mixture of "the great reset", scamdemic and chemtrails. I've just learned from her that the new runway was needed in Dublin as they couldn't get enough planes airborne to disperse the chemicals on us. | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area." That makes no sense. The lefties are the ones saying we should be welcoming refugees and pay the tax to cover the cost, and do everything we can to help. Fear and hatred of minority groups and migrants is the realm of the right wingers (ireland first) who dont want the tax bill and don't want us diluted different cultures and blood. | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area. The left and the right have never been as clearly defined in Ireland as they are in America or Europe and will often be seen together fighting for a common cause. I would have thought that they were fairly distinct on this issue though and maybe its just a case of people realigning themselves? I know someone who used to be a member of a left wing party but she always seemed way out of place to me as she had an objection to any progressive policy the party had. Her FB is currently littered with a mixture of "the great reset", scamdemic and chemtrails. I've just learned from her that the new runway was needed in Dublin as they couldn't get enough planes airborne to disperse the chemicals on us. " The loony fringe on both sides seem to gravitate towards conspiracy theories in my experience. | |||
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"I am correct in the instances which I have witnessed personally. Left wing party activists stirring up agitation against migrants and asylum seekers. Left wing rabble rousers will seek support for their cause in the very same way right wingers do. Neither give a care about the effect on society as long as they gather votes. " What party was that? Neither people before profit or SF are hostile to refugees? | |||
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"I am correct in the instances which I have witnessed personally. Left wing party activists stirring up agitation against migrants and asylum seekers. Left wing rabble rousers will seek support for their cause in the very same way right wingers do. Neither give a care about the effect on society as long as they gather votes. " If that's the case those "activists" have clearly moved away from their party position and don't represent the party you are associating them with. There is no left wing party with such a stance on people seeking international protection. Is there any party at all in the country with elected representatives that has taken such a stance? | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups." Syrian can be refugees / asylum seekers too. Millions of Syrians have been displaced by decades of war in their own country and have been taken in by many countries. Why do you think many of them are criminals? | |||
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"I am correct in the instances which I have witnessed personally. Left wing party activists stirring up agitation against migrants and asylum seekers. Left wing rabble rousers will seek support for their cause in the very same way right wingers do. Neither give a care about the effect on society as long as they gather votes. What party was that? Neither people before profit or SF are hostile to refugees?" Yes I'm interested to know the answer to this also? | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups." Why would you presume that about Syrians in particular? Why would more of them be criminals compared to Ukrainians for example?  | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups." Surely any criminal worth their salt would make more dough providing false documents or trafficking people than living in some shite hotel down the country, but sure there’s me applying logic like an absolute idiot | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups. Surely any criminal worth their salt would make more dough providing false documents or trafficking people than living in some shite hotel down the country, but sure there’s me applying logic like an absolute idiot" This is an Internet discussion about refugees, politics you know that using logic is unfair | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups." You do realise Syria has been a full on war zone for most of the last ten years, yet another country with a dictator backed by Russia. Legitimate reason to escape and come here one would think. | |||
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"All political parties depend on local grassroot supporters to get them votes so they are very slow to distance themselves from the people who may not be practicing the official line being preached by the party officials. " I don't know how much of this you've seen but I would suggest that whatever you saw was an outlier as generally speaking, members of left wing parties don't have right wing ideas. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? " There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try " Ff 37 +1 Fg 35 Sf 37 | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try " You're totally wrong. Labour declared that they weren't going into government with anyone. Social Democrats said they weren't going into government with SF. PBP said they're never going into government with anyone. Green Party said they weren't going into government with SF. FF said they weren't going into government with SF. FG said they weren't going into government with SF. Somehow then, even with you knowing all of that, you think SF could have formed a government with their 37 seats, plus maybe a handful of others? The reality was that since the other left leaning parties weren't interested, SF could only have formed a government with the aid of either FF or FG, and that clearly wasn't going to happen. You clearly have a very high opinion of SF if you think they could pull off that class of a miracle  | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try Ff 37 +1 Fg 35 Sf 37 " Look at the numbers Mick I’ve put up the main party’s that could have been possible if all the opposition that is now in place wanted too take them out | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try You're totally wrong. Labour declared that they weren't going into government with anyone. Social Democrats said they weren't going into government with SF. PBP said they're never going into government with anyone. Green Party said they weren't going into government with SF. FF said they weren't going into government with SF. FG said they weren't going into government with SF. Somehow then, even with you knowing all of that, you think SF could have formed a government with their 37 seats, plus maybe a handful of others? The reality was that since the other left leaning parties weren't interested, SF could only have formed a government with the aid of either FF or FG, and that clearly wasn't going to happen. You clearly have a very high opinion of SF if you think they could pull off that class of a miracle "We vote these people in do we not Do they have the right to decide who they do or don’t go in too government with | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour." If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try Ff 37 +1 Fg 35 Sf 37 Look at the numbers Mick I’ve put up the main party’s that could have been possible if all the opposition that is now in place wanted too take them out " He's clearly explained to you above why SF couldn't have formed a government. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse" So you're saying you're a supporter of the far right. Lovely. | |||
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"Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the large groups of men who are clearly not Ukrainian.Couple of Syrians in the radio claiming to have made it here with false documents. Can't help thinking there's bound to be a large criminal cohort within those groups." Are these people in your radio right now? | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S All so the likes of mr Murphy and his buddies in the people before profit and I can’t believe it’s not butter the shiners could have formed a different government if they wanted too Can you explain the numbers for this alternative government that you've imagined please? There’s no imagination involved if sf and all the others out side of the ff and fg they could have formed a coalition they didn’t even try You're totally wrong. Labour declared that they weren't going into government with anyone. Social Democrats said they weren't going into government with SF. PBP said they're never going into government with anyone. Green Party said they weren't going into government with SF. FF said they weren't going into government with SF. FG said they weren't going into government with SF. Somehow then, even with you knowing all of that, you think SF could have formed a government with their 37 seats, plus maybe a handful of others? The reality was that since the other left leaning parties weren't interested, SF could only have formed a government with the aid of either FF or FG, and that clearly wasn't going to happen. You clearly have a very high opinion of SF if you think they could pull off that class of a miracle
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"Yes, but you're complaining about the one party that actually held talks about forming a government from parties of the left. Even if all of tune left leaning parties had agreed, they would still be short of numbers since most of the independents are from either the FF or FG gene pool. Also, as I said above, the parties that now form the government rejected SF advances, although the Greens dithered briefly before saying no so I'm not sure how you figure that 37 TDs plus a small handful of independent could add up to 83. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse" Ireland is far from being full. We are seriously disorganised and we're unprepared for a crisis that the world and his mother knew was coming down the line. According to the last census there are something like 160,000 vacant properties in Ireland. A little bit of imagination could put at least a portion of those into full time use. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour." False “reporting” by the MSM. The journalist admitted so | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. False “reporting” by the MSM. The journalist admitted so " Do you have a link to where she said that it didn't happen? All I can see is gript suggesting that she admitted she didn't witness it which is entirely different. Also, I'm not clicking on gript. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. False “reporting” by the MSM. The journalist admitted so " Yes she did didnt she. Claimed initially that she witnessed it, but has now backtracked on that. All conveniently after the fuss of course | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. False “reporting” by the MSM. The journalist admitted so " No she hasn't....Gript are reporting that because they hate the journalist as she broke the Savita Halappanavar story There's a prick living in Finglas by the name of Graham Carey who's stirring up young men every night with claims of a young woman attacked and rap ed over the weekend by a foreigner Gardai have announced that its a white Irish man who's the suspect and has gone into hiding Someone will be killed soon by these right wing lunatics | |||
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"In some places the protests are being organised and led by people who very much identify themselves with the left. I know this from recent events in my own area. That makes no sense. The lefties are the ones saying we should be welcoming refugees and pay the tax to cover the cost, and do everything we can to help. Fear and hatred of minority groups and migrants is the realm of the right wingers (ireland first) who dont want the tax bill and don't want us diluted different cultures and blood." And why is that such a negative? Are we all legally obliged now to accept multi culturalism as A Very Good Thing? | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? " Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse So you're saying you're a supporter of the far right. Lovely. " Where abouts did I say that, please don't do that | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? " Oh yes, they're clearly identifiable if you know their personnel. There are two parties in particular and they've both been front and centre in these protests. It's easy enough to track people's history these days to see where their allegiances lie. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse Ireland is far from being full. We are seriously disorganised and we're unprepared for a crisis that the world and his mother knew was coming down the line. According to the last census there are something like 160,000 vacant properties in Ireland. A little bit of imagination could put at least a portion of those into full time use. " Those 160k properties are owned by private citizens and they can do whatever they see fit with their property within the confines of the law, if they want to leave it idle that's their business, Im the owner of a so called vacant property it's like a second home to me I use it at weekends for a bit of peace. I'd hate to be penalised just because I don't want it filled with refugees also the thoughts of paying 52% on any rental earnings turn me right off, its my right as hard working tax payer to do that and people like me shouldn't be beaten with a metaphorical stick because we don't champion the rights of refugees | |||
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"Honestly... I'm surprised it took as long as it did for the right wing thugs to show their true colours. There will always be people who love having someone else to blame when their lives are shit. "The same group were mad at covid a few years back, unemployed leeches | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse Ireland is far from being full. We are seriously disorganised and we're unprepared for a crisis that the world and his mother knew was coming down the line. According to the last census there are something like 160,000 vacant properties in Ireland. A little bit of imagination could put at least a portion of those into full time use. Those 160k properties are owned by private citizens and they can do whatever they see fit with their property within the confines of the law, if they want to leave it idle that's their business, Im the owner of a so called vacant property it's like a second home to me I use it at weekends for a bit of peace. I'd hate to be penalised just because I don't want it filled with refugees also the thoughts of paying 52% on any rental earnings turn me right off, its my right as hard working tax payer to do that and people like me shouldn't be beaten with a metaphorical stick because we don't champion the rights of refugees " I'll point to back to the last sentence which you must have missed... "a little bit of imagination..." | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse Ireland is far from being full. We are seriously disorganised and we're unprepared for a crisis that the world and his mother knew was coming down the line. According to the last census there are something like 160,000 vacant properties in Ireland. A little bit of imagination could put at least a portion of those into full time use. Those 160k properties are owned by private citizens and they can do whatever they see fit with their property within the confines of the law, if they want to leave it idle that's their business, Im the owner of a so called vacant property it's like a second home to me I use it at weekends for a bit of peace. I'd hate to be penalised just because I don't want it filled with refugees also the thoughts of paying 52% on any rental earnings turn me right off, its my right as hard working tax payer to do that and people like me shouldn't be beaten with a metaphorical stick because we don't champion the rights of refugees " So yours is not vacent is it....Ghost estates and empty unused buildings are what the figures were about as far as I remember | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? " Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in " So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes" How about little Hitler and his right wing goons....The Irish National Party | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes" Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. | |||
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"Love how the media is one homogeneous group with the same agenda and intentions and therefore can not be trusted Yet algorithmic social media feeds which are by definition agenda and content led can definitely be trusted" Whos saying that? | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. " Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups" Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. " Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed " That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "Whats bizarre about it? | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE" Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country " My comment is regarding the right and the wrong way to protest... as you well know. Intimidating the actual refugees is a shitty way to behave. | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
"Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case? Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house. | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country And who is working in these hospitals you mention? Are the staff all Irish?" No they're not. What has that got to do with it? | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country My comment is regarding the right and the wrong way to protest... as you well know. Intimidating the actual refugees is a shitty way to behave. Your comment wasn't about right or wrong at all, it was about the effectiveness of the protest. You said it yourself" Riiiiight... so my suggestion of shouting at patients wasn't making a comment about what the right and wrong way to protest is? Ohkay | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country My comment is regarding the right and the wrong way to protest... as you well know. Intimidating the actual refugees is a shitty way to behave. Your comment wasn't about right or wrong at all, it was about the effectiveness of the protest. You said it yourself Riiiiight... so my suggestion of shouting at patients wasn't making a comment about what the right and wrong way to protest is? Ohkay" Well, no. Beacuse you referenced effectiveness. By all means, make another comment if you like about right and wrong | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
"How's that been working out for you? The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then? | |||
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"The far right protesters are never going to get what they scream looking for....its just an excuse for them to feel important in their own heads by shouting the loudest and getting other idiots to pay them money They want the foreigners to stop r**ing our Irish women and children....its not true They want all foreigners to be driven to the airport and put on planes....never going to happen They want to replace our courts and government and yet they all lose their deposits when they stand for election You asked earlier about right wing parties and maybe you didnt see my answer but The Irish National Party is led by a little tiny man nicknamed little Hitler who cant get elected and groomed his second wife when she was still a teenager and denies being married previously when he was one of the leaders of youth defence " Who are you addressing? You need to use reply and quote | |||
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"It's like... if you go up to a hospital and shout at the patients as they come out... because that's gonna be more effective than lobbying the HSE Its not like that at all. Nobody has an issue with taking patients into a hospital. They do have an issue with taking people into the country And who is working in these hospitals you mention? Are the staff all Irish? No they're not. What has that got to do with it? If you can't see what it has got to do with it I'm not going to spell it out to you. " Ok thanks for your contribution | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
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"The far right protesters are never going to get what they scream looking for....its just an excuse for them to feel important in their own heads by shouting the loudest and getting other idiots to pay them money They want the foreigners to stop r**ing our Irish women and children....its not true They want all foreigners to be driven to the airport and put on planes....never going to happen They want to replace our courts and government and yet they all lose their deposits when they stand for election You asked earlier about right wing parties and maybe you didnt see my answer but The Irish National Party is led by a little tiny man nicknamed little Hitler who cant get elected and groomed his second wife when she was still a teenager and denies being married previously when he was one of the leaders of youth defence Who are you addressing? You need to use reply and quote " Sorry I got a pain in my bollox trying to follow the thread with all the copy and paste ....but it was to you ...just forgot to put your name on it | |||
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"The far right protesters are never going to get what they scream looking for....its just an excuse for them to feel important in their own heads by shouting the loudest and getting other idiots to pay them money They want the foreigners to stop r**ing our Irish women and children....its not true They want all foreigners to be driven to the airport and put on planes....never going to happen They want to replace our courts and government and yet they all lose their deposits when they stand for election You asked earlier about right wing parties and maybe you didnt see my answer but The Irish National Party is led by a little tiny man nicknamed little Hitler who cant get elected and groomed his second wife when she was still a teenager and denies being married previously when he was one of the leaders of youth defence Who are you addressing? You need to use reply and quote Sorry I got a pain in my bollox trying to follow the thread with all the copy and paste ....but it was to you ...just forgot to put your name on it " Ok. I didnt ask about right-wing parties. The comment was about right wing groups, and that not everything can be written off as just fringe groups causing trouble, but in fact it is individual people with their own minds and their own brains deciding they wish to protest something they dont want to see | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
Hows it been working out for me?
What have i got to do with it? "Well you're the one who told me it was the best place to protest. Feel free to fill in "they/them" in place of "you" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be into the whole "they/them" thing though. | |||
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
Hows it been working out for me?
What have i got to do with it?
Well you're the one who told me it was the best place to protest.
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
Hows it been working out for me?
What have i got to do with it?
Well you're the one who told me it was the best place to protest.
Feel free to fill in "they/them" in place of "you" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be into the whole "they/them" thing though.
Ok but im not protesting, so what has it got to do with me? "I suppose if you keep asking me the sane thing and I keep pointing it out to you, one or other of us will eventually give up.
You could happily have answered as to how you believe its working out for them. Tbh, I'm not overly concerned about your answer as you've already told me that you believe that putting vulnerable people in fear is the the best way to protest. You've kinda lost me all over again with nonsense like that.
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
Hows it been working out for me?
What have i got to do with it?
Well you're the one who told me it was the best place to protest.
Feel free to fill in "they/them" in place of "you" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be into the whole "they/them" thing though.
Ok but im not protesting, so what has it got to do with me?
I suppose if you keep asking me the sane thing and I keep pointing it out to you, one or other of us will eventually give up.
You could happily have answered as to how you believe its working out for them. Tbh, I'm not overly concerned about your answer as you've already told me that you believe that putting vulnerable people in fear is the the best way to protest. You've kinda lost me all over again with nonsense like that.
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"And another thing... Some of these right wing groups make noise about how we should help "our own" first. Where then are these groups when it comes to the various housing protests? Fair enough, they might not want to get involved with the raise the roof project since it's a left wing party and trades unions organised thing but surely they must be organising their own large scale protests? Is it just that the "msm" don't report on their huge protests or could it be that they don't actually give a damn about homelessness other than its use as a tool to hide racism/xenophobia? Who are these 'right wing groups' you and the media keep mentioning? Are they clearly definined in these protests? Are they wearing t shirts or uniforms to clearly mark themselves out as 'right wing groups'? Or could it just be a convenient bucket to throw anyone inconvenient in and thus de-legitimise anything they have to say? Yes they are identified in their videos that they can't help posting as citizen journalists ffs I could post at least 10 names that share these videos and hated online but couldn't be arsed and I suspect you know who they are too They're racist thugs and grifters in the main and need the oxygen of publicity to keep the money coming in So they're individuals then yes? Not the boogie man 'right wing groups' we keep getting fed by rte and the likes Right wing political parties exist and have personnel involved in many of these protests. One of these parties at their first Árd Fheis were told by one of the leadership that they were only representing "straight, white Irish people" which in sure they're entitled to say, even if I despise them for it. Whether they are there as individuals or as a party is irrelevant as the parties both claim to be the driving forces. Out of interest, I watched a live stream of one protest in my constituency and the organisers claimed that it was local residents protesting. About five locals were there with the overwhelming majority being from outside the constituency, mostly all from the same area. Do you ever think it might be possible that people from other constituencies might join protests? Regular people not formally affiliated to any political party and not part of any group either? Because i have a feeling there are a hell of a lot of people like that. It seems to give other people comfort if they can just shrug, place them in some 'right wing group' category and then dismiss that group. Easier to do that than recognise the reality which is that far far more people have an issue with whats going on in this country than some fringe groups Do I think it's acceptable for a group of people from, let's say Malahide, to hold up a banner with "Clontarf says no" on it? Yes, I think that's disingenuous at least, and that it's exactly what it's going on in at least a few places, and one in particular that I'm very familiar with. People can protest in whatever part of the city or country they like but coming into an area and saying they are from that area and representing that area is not acceptable. Also, go off and protest all you want outside Leinster House where decisions are made. Fill yer boots, just stop shouting shit at vulnerable people at the bottom of the chain and stop protesting outside people's family homes. That's just wrong. Protesting outside the gated community that is leinster house will achieve absolutely zero. Protesting right outside where people are being placed is far more likely to succeed That's a bizarre statement. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Whats bizarre about it?
It's bizarre that you would believe that intimidating vulnerable people who have fled here from abroad is more productive than protesting at the seat of government, the place where decisions are made.
Bizarre may not have been the word I was looking for.
Reprehensible?
Revolting?
Disgusting?
Stomach churning?
Why is it reprehensible, stomach churning etc to believe that this may be the case?
Its a logical opinion that it may generate more success than protesting outside leister house.
How's that been working out for you?
The protests have been going on for a while now and yet all I'm hearing is that things are getting worse. Maybe not so effective at all then?
Hows it been working out for me?
What have i got to do with it?
Well you're the one who told me it was the best place to protest.
Feel free to fill in "they/them" in place of "you" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be into the whole "they/them" thing though.
Ok but im not protesting, so what has it got to do with me?
I suppose if you keep asking me the sane thing and I keep pointing it out to you, one or other of us will eventually give up.
You could happily have answered as to how you believe its working out for them. Tbh, I'm not overly concerned about your answer as you've already told me that you believe that putting vulnerable people in fear is the the best way to protest. You've kinda lost me all over again with nonsense like that.
I said that i think protesting outside where migrants are being placed will be more effective than protesting outside leinster house. Please dont misquote me.
As for how its faring currently, i have no idea "Meh. You're a keyboard warrior then if you're here bigging up these protestors but funny get involved yourself. I'm not sure which is better.
I'm in a happy mood now so I think I'll have some Asian food cooked by immigrants for my dinner.
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. False “reporting” by the MSM. The journalist admitted so Do you have a link to where she said that it didn't happen? All I can see is gript suggesting that she admitted she didn't witness it which is entirely different. Also, I'm not clicking on gript. " And some people no longer listen to rte or read a newspaper because of their views. The question is did it happen as she said? Also we live in a right wing society and are goverened by a right wing government which has implimented extreme right wing policies since the IMF/ECB. Remember Noonan/Kennys attitude to "Paddy" when the invited the vultures. FG Right wing FF Centre Right Greens Right wing And to call everyone who disagrees with govt policy as extreme or facist, in my opinion, is that we are unable to discuss the merits or issues with govt policy. This whole affair is leaving the govt off the hook regarding other problems in society, health and homelessness as an example. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. Trump politics is what I think your referring to with that post I think it’s the government is at fault if they follow the same rhetoric. And will that change with a new government probably not As it never has S" Individuals are responsible for their own actions .... shithead politics are just an excuse for shithead citizens to express their inner self . | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ... "Very well put | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ... "well said x | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ... "Thats all a bit hokey to be honest and doesn't really add to the discussion. We're not a nation of any of these things, no more or less than any other country. There are real issues at hand here, difficult questions need asking and some of the answers wont be pleasant if answered honestly. We cant afford to shy away from any of this and we cant be afraid of addressing these issues. Our desire to be seen as the best boy in class needs to be put aside and whats best for the country needs to be put front and centre | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ...
Thats all a bit hokey to be honest and doesn't really add to the discussion.
We're not a nation of any of these things, no more or less than any other country.
There are real issues at hand here, difficult questions need asking and some of the answers wont be pleasant if answered honestly. We cant afford to shy away from any of this and we cant be afraid of addressing these issues. Our desire to be seen as the best boy in class needs to be put aside and whats best for the country needs to be put front and centre"What is best for the country is not giving oxygen to a tiny number of racists trying to stir fear. | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ...
Thats all a bit hokey to be honest and doesn't really add to the discussion.
We're not a nation of any of these things, no more or less than any other country.
There are real issues at hand here, difficult questions need asking and some of the answers wont be pleasant if answered honestly. We cant afford to shy away from any of this and we cant be afraid of addressing these issues. Our desire to be seen as the best boy in class needs to be put aside and whats best for the country needs to be put front and centre"It needed too be put front and center long before now but with that said you have a point We have lots of problems of our own with health,housing,rising living costs, But the buck stops with the people we put in place to run our business,if it was in the private sector they all would be sacked | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse" Well, we can have the far right as well as we can have the far left. People make up their minds and their choices as they see fit. What anyone what even the most rudimentary knowledge of history can tell you however is that both the far right and the far left have nothing to offer but death and destruction. | |||
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"The attack on the group of migrants at Adamstown near Dublin, and other protests in Waterford are allegedly inspired by right-wing agents-provocateurs who are using the cost of living crisis and the indigenous homeless issue to whip-up resentment to foreigners, especially in working class areas where unemployment is high and inflation is hitting hardest. The emergence of right-wing political agitators within Ireland is an interesting and worrying political development, but displaced migrants are an easy target on which to pin blame for economic woes in disadvantaged areas of this country. I thought we were above that type of behaviour. If there is room for centre right and left politics then why can't we have the far right? It's all very easy to demonise the far right but if you dig down you'll find most people agree on the migrant issue, there is no more room at the Inn, it's basic maths this government needs an abacus to get this right until then people will be drawn to the far right who are brave enough to speak out on the issue and are only demonstrating what most people are to afraid to espouse Well, we can have the far right as well as we can have the far left. People make up their minds and their choices as they see fit. What anyone what even the most rudimentary knowledge of history can tell you however is that both the far right and the far left have nothing to offer but death and destruction. " | |||
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"Let's all blame the right wing extremists lol tbh I think about 75% of the country are a bit worried about the amount of people coming with no identification or vetting or anything I'm all for helping refugees escaping war but most of these people are not from the Ukraine and our government duped us into thinking they were we don't have housing or enough services in this country to cope with the numbers flooding in our hospitals are at capacity btw I'm not a right wing extremist but if you are concerned or voice an opinion the media are quick to brand you as a right wing extremist " | |||
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"I didn't have time to read all posts so apologies if I'm repeating something. All these thugs , Muppets and violence stirring individuals are nottin only a soft shadow of what true Irish are . We are a country of integrity. We are a country of defenders of the worse off. We are a country of wealth and great minds . We are a country of grafters and hard workers . We are a country of big hearts and humble helpers .. This minority of soft whores who would rather see people die in a war than share their social welfare. Would rather see people persecuted than take up the jobs they won't.. these are not a representation of who the Irish are . Were by no means perfect .. however we are definitely not bigots and bullies ...
Thats all a bit hokey to be honest and doesn't really add to the discussion.
We're not a nation of any of these things, no more or less than any other country.
There are real issues at hand here, difficult questions need asking and some of the answers wont be pleasant if answered honestly. We cant afford to shy away from any of this and we cant be afraid of addressing these issues. Our desire to be seen as the best boy in class needs to be put aside and whats best for the country needs to be put front and centre"To compare being humane and being accepting of those who need help to being the good boy in the class is just a pointless comparison. When you refer to questions being answered honestly and people are not liking the answers don't forgethere are your opinions on what the answer should be. Thankfully as a nation in general we don't agree. The answer will never be to turn people away when they need help. If that is your answer will I hope no one ever answers you the same way | |||
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"Let's all blame the right wing extremists lol tbh I think about 75% of the country are a bit worried about the amount of people coming with no identification or vetting or anything I'm all for helping refugees escaping war but most of these people are not from the Ukraine and our government duped us into thinking they were we don't have housing or enough services in this country to cope with the numbers flooding in our hospitals are at capacity btw I'm not a right wing extremist but if you are concerned or voice an opinion the media are quick to brand you as a right wing extremist " To say most of these people are not from Ukraine is just a lie. To say 75% of Irish people are worried that most of these people are not from Ukraine is alike. To infer that even if 75% of Irish people were worried that equates to 75% of Irish people choosing the far right malicious abusive attack tactics it's frankly b*******. | |||
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"Let's all blame the right wing extremists lol tbh I think about 75% of the country are a bit worried about the amount of people coming with no identification or vetting or anything I'm all for helping refugees escaping war but most of these people are not from the Ukraine and our government duped us into thinking they were we don't have housing or enough services in this country to cope with the numbers flooding in our hospitals are at capacity btw I'm not a right wing extremist but if you are concerned or voice an opinion the media are quick to brand you as a right wing extremist To say most of these people are not from Ukraine is just a lie. To say 75% of Irish people are worried that most of these people are not from Ukraine is alike. To infer that even if 75% of Irish people were worried that equates to 75% of Irish people choosing the far right malicious abusive attack tactics it's frankly b*******. " There are Georgians, moldovans claiming to be Ukrainian in political asylum in Ireland now, how do you know where a person is from if they have no passport? Sure i could claim to be Ukrainian if I wanted too if that's the case, it's gone beyond a joke, you also have turks and Armenians and others from the mid East claiming to be Syrians just to get into Ireland and the dopes in charge of this country will just let them in, I'm all for helping people fleeing warzones but there are many economic migrants who are using this war as an excuse just to emigrate this is completely wrong on all levels.. | |||
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