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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. " 1) Thats not the only problem. 2) There is such a thing as non Ukranian refugees also. | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. " Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs." I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians | |||
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"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on Must be a simple solution to that problem .... Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate Why do we take so long to decide who stays ..... Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that " That  | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. " Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. " That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees.  | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue " Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know. | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees. " | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know. " I just checked myhome.ie 15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin Its the cost of rent that's the problem | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees. "€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years. | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know. I just checked myhome.ie 15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin Its the cost of rent that's the problem " Try to contact them as well as through Daft and lucky you if you get 5 replies. | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know. I just checked myhome.ie 15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin Its the cost of rent that's the problem Try to contact them as well as through Daft and lucky you if you get 5 replies." Huge amount of build to rent apartments coming on stream in Dublin Check them out instead.....2500 for a one bed is standard | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? " Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. | |||
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"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on Must be a simple solution to that problem .... Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate Why do we take so long to decide who stays ..... Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that " Spot on Bog. This is a very devisive subject that does need debate but the risk of being labeled for participating in such a debate prevents many. For me its the whole "indusrty" that has grown up around this that frightens me. People being displaced and seeking asyulm is a major cashcow in europe now for a tiny group of very well politically connected people and organisations. The displaced people themselves are just numbers. It suits those gaining ftom it to delay processing and to stop the people integrating with normal Irish society - its a billions of euro industry - the longer you hold them the more profit. There are bad apples getting in too with the genuine people. As a nation we need to grow up and find a way to identify the good from the bad quickly with proper border police and proper resources for them. And dont say that cant be done. We all know of countries with strong border control. Im all for helping genuine people and getting them up and running here so they can stand on their own two feet financially - but this shit of endlessly holding good people for profit (and make no mistake thats what it is) and not sending the bad apple back to where they came from immediately - that just is wrong. But then again - none of our so called leaders really give a hoot about right and wrong anyway. Its all about the money and making sure the status quoe is maintained And its very easy to do that when all you need to do is pull the racist card on anyone who questions them | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. " Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own ..... | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees.
€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years."Not sure what you're trying to say there. Most landlords aren't socialists and set the rent in accordance to an average salary. Property is fierce capitalism territory. Most properties in Dublin can be rented out for a multiple of the 800 quid you'd get from the government to accommodate Ukrainians. And no you can't just kick out long term tenants. There's an eviction ban in place at present. Under normal circumstances, depending how long a tenant is renting a property the notice to quid can be up to 8month. So again the refugees can't be blamed for the Dublin housing crisis. | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. " Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit. | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees.
€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years.
Not sure what you're trying to say there.
Most landlords aren't socialists and set the rent in accordance to an average salary. Property is fierce capitalism territory.
Most properties in Dublin can be rented out for a multiple of the 800 quid you'd get from the government to accommodate Ukrainians.
And no you can't just kick out long term tenants. There's an eviction ban in place at present. Under normal circumstances, depending how long a tenant is renting a property the notice to quid can be up to 8month.
So again the refugees can't be blamed for the Dublin housing crisis. "Ireland didn't start yesterday taking refugees and landlords have kicked out tenants for this reason. When I say €800 I mean a room, not not an apartment or house. The refugees are another factor to deteriorate the Irish housing market. Well, being honest, it's not about the refugees, it's about government politics. | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit." What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit. What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. " Coppers....ah happy memories. Oh Coopers. Sorry read that wrong.  | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit. What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. " Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own? | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own ....." Be careful what you wish for. House price collapse in the order of 50% means builders stop building and tens of thousands of jobs are lost. That then leads to shops, pubs and restaurants closing, service industries being decimated. Basically a repeat of what we had 14 or 15 years ago. Rental prices can be lowered though without a catastrophic effect by building more social housing. Currently the private rental market is filled with renters who should be in social housing. These are armed with hap payments and this money is partly responsible for pushing up prices. It has also increased the numbers of people competing for private rental accommodation leaving people without hap payments at a disadvantage. More social housing would balance the situation back to where it should be and would be a far better use of public funds. | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own ..... Be careful what you wish for. House price collapse in the order of 50% means builders stop building and tens of thousands of jobs are lost. That then leads to shops, pubs and restaurants closing, service industries being decimated. Basically a repeat of what we had 14 or 15 years ago. Rental prices can be lowered though without a catastrophic effect by building more social housing. Currently the private rental market is filled with renters who should be in social housing. These are armed with hap payments and this money is partly responsible for pushing up prices. It has also increased the numbers of people competing for private rental accommodation leaving people without hap payments at a disadvantage. More social housing would balance the situation back to where it should be and would be a far better use of public funds. " Much more sensible...I was being flippant....never even thought of new houses and their price ...was thinking more about those people that object to everything being built in case they devalue the cost of their own house | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own ..... Be careful what you wish for. House price collapse in the order of 50% means builders stop building and tens of thousands of jobs are lost. That then leads to shops, pubs and restaurants closing, service industries being decimated. Basically a repeat of what we had 14 or 15 years ago. Rental prices can be lowered though without a catastrophic effect by building more social housing. Currently the private rental market is filled with renters who should be in social housing. These are armed with hap payments and this money is partly responsible for pushing up prices. It has also increased the numbers of people competing for private rental accommodation leaving people without hap payments at a disadvantage. More social housing would balance the situation back to where it should be and would be a far better use of public funds. Much more sensible...I was being flippant....never even thought of new houses and their price ...was thinking more about those people that object to everything being built in case they devalue the cost of their own house " | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit. What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own? " Do you want to give me an update? Please feel free | |||
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"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government? Obviously yes if you have a lower rent. How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent? I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit. What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own? Do you want to give me an update? Please feel free" No. That defeats the purpose of doing some research of your own. Filthynights has done a good job of steering you in the right direction though. Even just try and come with reasonable answers to some of the potential questions they raise will be beneficial. | |||
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"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date. Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? " Yes absolutely we can't look after our own people never mind refugees | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. 1) Thats not the only problem. 2) There is such a thing as non Ukranian refugees also." | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. " A landlord in Dublin would be crazy to kick out a paying tenant for a Ukrainian refugee, they can pretty much name their price with working people with refugees they are constrained by price of hap, the fact you can't find a place is a supply and demand issue and price is determining availability too | |||
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"I just went for a walk around the 'block' counted about 5 or 6 houses lying waste on short country stroll... In the town, Limerick, the centre is void of any residents, yet the houses are everywhere. Tip, Clonmel - ghost towns... My point is, that there is no shortage of accommodation, not only for war refugees, if that was the question, OP asked, but for permanent residents of this banana state. From what I can see is, that there is no political will, no creative thinking and lack of courage from our 'leaders' to face the issue... Anyway: Yes, let 'em come. Let them feel safe and welcome and let's give as much support to their fathers and brothers defending Europe in the trenches of Ukraine." | |||
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"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date. Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? " No ... such an act of inhumanity will only lead to less humanity in the future. Do we want a world where we won't truly share the pain in the mists of disasters? rather we will allow others to suffer more than they have too ?? Bear in mind we are all aware the world is facing more and more global disasters in our near futures . Is this really the example we want to send out to the world? | |||
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"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date. Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? Yes absolutely we can't look after our own people never mind refugees " We can't look after out own is not the Ukrainians fault Its government policy to let the market sort everything out So private investment takes control of the housing / rental market and makes a fortune The charity business tries to take care of the homeless problem but if they do then they're out of business so they talk the talk and pay the big bucks to their bosses but fail to deliver and the government throws more money at them to fail Not all but a lot | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians" Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say | |||
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"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... " Ah, so anyone of "fighting age", better known to the rest of us as working age, is not entitled to protection? We'd be in some state as a nation if that rule had been applied to us at any point in our history when our "fighting age men" were travelling to other countries in search of work and sending money home to keep families alive. | |||
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"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... " Do you mean fighting age adults or fighting age men? | |||
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"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... Do you mean fighting age adults or fighting age men? " What is 'fighting age' exactly? And why should women of 'fighting age' be allowed to stay, while men refused entry? Pure rubbish talk, if you ask me...we know that Ukrainian Army - if that is, what we are talking about here - is one of the most feminized force on the planet. Plenty of girls and women fighting the invaders and dying on the front together with their brothers, fathers and grand fathers. | |||
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"I think kids would do better in a foreign country with their mothers personally.... Fighting age ok maybe if your healthy enough....any able bodied ukranian man should at least try to help their country... Thats just my thinking..... " Thats all well and good, but then if they are lucky enough to survive, they follow their family to whatever Western european country theyre in, only to be now met now with the 'equality' brigade, and all a sudden their prior efforts count for diddly squat if shes moved on and wants a divorce | |||
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"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... " The first country you land.... that would put everyone in same country in most instances... how do u think that can work ? | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective I live in Dublin. Frankly speaking, yes, I've been homeless when the weather was good sleeping in parks because I denied to pay half of my salary in just a room sharing everything with more people or being in hostels for a cheaper amount of money but sharing everything with different people every time. Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work " I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse. Thanks for the advice anyway! | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective I live in Dublin. Frankly speaking, yes, I've been homeless when the weather was good sleeping in parks because I denied to pay half of my salary in just a room sharing everything with more people or being in hostels for a cheaper amount of money but sharing everything with different people every time. Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse. Thanks for the advice anyway!" Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective I live in Dublin. Frankly speaking, yes, I've been homeless when the weather was good sleeping in parks because I denied to pay half of my salary in just a room sharing everything with more people or being in hostels for a cheaper amount of money but sharing everything with different people every time. Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse. Thanks for the advice anyway! Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin " It's a matter I feel ashamed to talk about so when I mention something it's just I'm looking for a better accommodation. Thanks again for your advice! | |||
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"There was a guy recently arrested at Dublin Airport who was in possession of 37 passports, his own and 36 others on the same flight with him, who were pretending to not to have a passport! Generosity-yes,definitely, but not when we're being hoodwinked by economic refugees." Thats cost worth paying to help the majority of genuine refugees imo. I do take a earlier point , it should be a better more efficient screening process . | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective I live in Dublin. Frankly speaking, yes, I've been homeless when the weather was good sleeping in parks because I denied to pay half of my salary in just a room sharing everything with more people or being in hostels for a cheaper amount of money but sharing everything with different people every time. Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse. Thanks for the advice anyway! Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin It's a matter I feel ashamed to talk about so when I mention something it's just I'm looking for a better accommodation. Thanks again for your advice!" Fair point .. I would agree we the Irish government and society are letting you down ... the point someone else made above of this being a rent price crisis rather than a refugee issue seems appropriate | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say " I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen. | |||
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"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin? Are you aware of that? Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees? I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees. "You are so right and perfectly explained L | |||
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"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... " Fuckin hilarious when people like you can’t even remember the wording of the phrase that triggered you lol Them military males and albinos | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen." You might know this area as well... https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/ | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen. You might know this area as well... https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/" | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. " When you say "vet everyone" are you including tourists in that because normally in the summer time our hotels are full of unvetted tourists.  | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?" Then we could ‘take back control’ and ‘make our own laws’ and develop ‘new sources of income from the rest of the world’... just like our neighbours did... | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU? Then we could ‘take back control’ and ‘make our own laws’ and develop ‘new sources of income from the rest of the world’... just like our neighbours did..." Can we have a big red bus too? Can we, can we, can we?  | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?" Dont think hes said that has he | |||
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"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible." Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens? | |||
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"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible. Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens? " The bit where he or she says they want to cap the numbers coming in to the country? | |||
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"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible. Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens? The bit where he or she says they want to cap the numbers coming in to the country?" I think its fairly obvious he or she is referring to non eu citizens. He or she also mentions that one should also not be allowed in without showing documents, which even EU citizens have to do when moving freely within the EU | |||
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"Let's be honest anyone that has voted greens ff fg in the past 20 years (at least) only have themselves to blame for the housing crisis. " I know people who vote for the same party all the time and wouldn’t vote for SF in a heartbeat. | |||
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"I don't think that's obvious at all.. they seems to be suggesting that the country can't accept more than 20k more people. " if there are tonnes of people homeless at present, struggling to put them in accommodation, how can we take more in? | |||
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"I don't think that's obvious at all.. they seems to be suggesting that the country can't accept more than 20k more people. if there are tonnes of people homeless at present, struggling to put them in accommodation, how can we take more in?" Read my first post in this thread to see my opinion. This post was me attempting to explain my understanding of someone else's post (read above for explanation) | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. When you say "vet everyone" are you including tourists in that because normally in the summer time our hotels are full of unvetted tourists. "Nope, your twisting words here. What I am saying is, anyone coming here claiming asylum/refugee needs to be vetted, needs to make sure they are legit. | |||
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"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration. We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one. Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud. If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence. A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country. We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first. So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?" Now, where did you get that from in the post above? The post is about blocking anymore coming in at present. As we have no where to put them. | |||
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"_arbieandbaldy I presume one of ye is from outside The EU or you move between Ireland and The UK Do you get counted in the 20,000 " Your presumptions are wrong. The reason I said we should cap it, is that we haven't got the room. Till we sort out our own internal problems, housing, healthcare etc. Once these problems are solved then a cap in place. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? " Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. " I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility." Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility. Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say. " They do have a say, it's called local and general elections. | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians" I agree, this is a problem but not at local level. I heard a local businessman from Ballaghadreen on the national radio last week saying the community welcome these refugees but they are not getting any support from government organisations that are supposed to be in charge of all of this | |||
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"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both. Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons. " Yes we did have these problems, now these problems have been made worse. And will be far worse when the hotels take back the rooms next months for tourist. Where will we place them then. Its unfair to bring people in with nowhere to place them. Regarding skilled workers, we have a visa system for that and a processing you go through to get that visa. It's the same for anyone from Europe who wants to go work in America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility. Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say. " Clearly we aren't going to agree, and that's OK. I feel housing refugees is millions well spent. Considering the waste in government spending its a drop in the ocean. | |||
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"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both. Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons. Yes we did have these problems, now these problems have been made worse. And will be far worse when the hotels take back the rooms next months for tourist. Where will we place them then. Its unfair to bring people in with nowhere to place them. Regarding skilled workers, we have a visa system for that and a processing you go through to get that visa. It's the same for anyone from Europe who wants to go work in America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand." Can't imagine the hotels will "take back" the rooms. It's guaranteed income for 7 nights a week, I'd say they will be more than happy to take that. As it being unfair to bring people in with no where to place them, I'd say that is a decision for the refugees themselves to make. I don't think anyone can else can decide if that is "unfair" or not. | |||
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"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both. Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons. Yes we did have these problems, now these problems have been made worse. And will be far worse when the hotels take back the rooms next months for tourist. Where will we place them then. Its unfair to bring people in with nowhere to place them. Regarding skilled workers, we have a visa system for that and a processing you go through to get that visa. It's the same for anyone from Europe who wants to go work in America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand. Can't imagine the hotels will "take back" the rooms. It's guaranteed income for 7 nights a week, I'd say they will be more than happy to take that. As it being unfair to bring people in with no where to place them, I'd say that is a decision for the refugees themselves to make. I don't think anyone can else can decide if that is "unfair" or not. " They'll get far far more from the tourism industry, particularly in the high season | |||
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"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both. Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons. Yes we did have these problems, now these problems have been made worse. And will be far worse when the hotels take back the rooms next months for tourist. Where will we place them then. Its unfair to bring people in with nowhere to place them. Regarding skilled workers, we have a visa system for that and a processing you go through to get that visa. It's the same for anyone from Europe who wants to go work in America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand. Can't imagine the hotels will "take back" the rooms. It's guaranteed income for 7 nights a week, I'd say they will be more than happy to take that. As it being unfair to bring people in with no where to place them, I'd say that is a decision for the refugees themselves to make. I don't think anyone can else can decide if that is "unfair" or not. " It's already started with hotels. During tourist season, they will get much more for the rooms from tourist. Plus, the country needs these rooms for the economy. Tourism is massive for the economy and the money it brings in. | |||
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"Housing families fleeing war is wastage? Urgh Where did i say that? " You didn't say that money was wastage to be fair, I overreached there. I feel its money well spent is my point, and I would spend more to accommodate more if we could find a way. | |||
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"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time… Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one? Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs. I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine. In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen. You might know this area as well... https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/" I don't know that area, don't know much about Co. Roscommon For me Ballaghadereen is and always will be in Co. Mayo. As long as the Ukranians are safe and sound. As I stated above the issues in Balla have been caused by bad eggs posing as Syrians and causing trouble with the syrians when they the syrians repeatedly point out to the authorities that these people are frauds. | |||
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"Is it not possible to be in the EU and have a sensible approach to migration. Surely all countries big and small have a breaking point when it comes to housing and other essential resources for a growing population ? Also I watched the Arsenal vs Man utd match and noticed the bill boards with advertisements for Rwanda tourism, isn't that where the UK is proposing to send asylum seekers to be processed?" Yes....the tourist Board sponsor Arsenal....its also on their jerseys | |||
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"We will be diluted " Like when we emigrated in our thousands over the years | |||
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"We will be diluted Like when we emigrated in our thousands over the years " Exactly | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. " The control won't happen, that ship has sailed | |||
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"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here " Yes that is very true unfortunately 
There are a lot of arrivals that are not from war torn Ukraine and I do not understand how they are allowed stay. If I arrived in USA without documentation and some story why I should be allowed stay I would be put in jail until I could be deported that’s for sure
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"https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-hospitalised-after-brawl-citywest-29032351" Its this we are soft on.... Try this in Australia and you woukd be bacj brawling on your home turf fairly quickly | |||
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"By all means And as soon as they break the law bye bye " When the Irish broke the law.they were sent to Australia so what do we do Maybe we should send them too skellig Michael S | |||
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"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here " So we should allow them to work and be allowed to treat then like shut because we where ? I'm sure they'd happily work here | |||
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"One facet of Putin's war in Ukraine is to foment dissent within Europe regarding displaced people from eastern Europe. Ireland is an extremely small nation state in the context of Europe; I am convinced other countries nearer to the Ukraine may not be pulling their weight, refugee-wise. There have been over 10,000+ homeless in Ireland already that appear to have been marginalised in the current refugee crisis. " Worth noting many other countries closer to Ukraine don't have the wealth we do ! | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. " Semantics.... the point being made is that you can't cap movement in the eu and stay in eu ... its also an incredibly inhumane suggestion at present. I hope that if some country ever trys to blow your county to shit , we don't cap the amount of you that can flee. | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility. So keep squeezing until the pips pop out? " Absolutely.... if it means we all end up worse off and poorer its the right thing to do . Surly the amount of suffering has to be shared if we truly care ? | |||
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"When you say "them".. who do you mean? Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility. Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say. " That I think is the issue in a note show. For some this is no longer become humanitarian crisis rather than a financial threat. It's a sad day when I developed a lucky country like ours gets to a point Where we can look at people being blown out of their own homes individuals just like us and we can say OK we've helped enough it's beginning to heart our pockets we should stop. | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. " Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. | |||
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"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here Yes that is very true unfortunately
There are a lot of arrivals that are not from war torn Ukraine and I do not understand how they are allowed stay. If I arrived in USA without documentation and some story why I should be allowed stay I would be put in jail until I could be deported that’s for sure
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA." I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt " I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy. | |||
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"We are a relatively wealthy country... but that list is very skewed because it uses GDP as the measurement and our GDP is artificially high because of the way multinationals move profits here for tax purposes." Allow for the discrepancies we are still wealthier than most European countries per capita | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy." | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy." | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy." | |||
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy."
Our standards of living have changed massively since the early 90's when I could count the number of cars on the estate and the number of things plugged in around the house. We are absolutely a wealthy country. We have a civic duty to assist in a crisis
The only reason I support a temporary pause in numbers incoming is to ensure reception facilities are available so as to avoid chaos.
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"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA. I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich. There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing. Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away. We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy.
Our standards of living have changed massively since the early 90's when I could count the number of cars on the estate and the number of things plugged in around the house. We are absolutely a wealthy country. We have a civic duty to assist in a crisis
The only reason I support a temporary pause in numbers incoming is to ensure reception facilities are available so as to avoid chaos.
But even that I recognise is a luxury, since as an island we can do that. I can't imagine the pressure in Poland and other Mainland Europe entry points "I don’t think we have enough reception facilities available as it is or we wouldn’t have oodles sleeping on the street around the country, especially the cities. | |||
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"When Uachtarain Michael D Higgins was in Africa, in attendance at a conference at which he was the sole head of state from outside Africa, he made reference to the indigenous homeless problem being compounded by the recent new foreign influx by Ukrainian folk. Crucially, he said that it should be part of our duty and common humanity to care for both types; and that the long-term Irish homeless should not feel that they are now being marginalised by foreigners " I hope irish homeless do feel this way. Moreover I hope if they do unfortunately feel this way its not because its true . If it is true ,well shame on us for not making sure both are cared for . | |||
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"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date. Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? " As far as I know Ireland are required to take in a certain amount, lack of planning as usual | |||
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"When Uachtarain Michael D Higgins was in Africa, in attendance at a conference at which he was the sole head of state from outside Africa, he made reference to the indigenous homeless problem being compounded by the recent new foreign influx by Ukrainian folk. Crucially, he said that it should be part of our duty and common humanity to care for both types; and that the long-term Irish homeless should not feel that they are now being marginalised by foreigners I hope irish homeless do feel this way. Moreover I hope if they do unfortunately feel this way its not because its true . If it is true ,well shame on us for not making sure both are cared for . " take the wasters who refuse to work off your homeless list I wonder would it actually be that big | |||
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