FabSwingers.com forum: Blocking further refugees into Ireland

By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date.

Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

There needs to be a look at it from a european-wide perspective and an examination of any countries who are not pulling their weight with regards refugees. There may well be other countries who are better able to accommodate large numbers of refugees than Ireland. At the same time we need to be thinking out of the box to see if there is anything more we can do to help out, because I feel we have a duty to do so if its possible.

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By *oguish1Man
over a year ago

Carrigrohane

No we should not .... we should welcome as many as we can .... and do a lot more to make them feel welcome

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By *acob12369Man
over a year ago

URPANTS

One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. "

1) Thats not the only problem.

2) There is such a thing as non Ukranian refugees also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. "

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Such an ignorant comment. Also, if Ireland was invaded tomorrow or you were being persecuted might I ask would you make sure to grab your passport? Or go to the passport office if you didn’t have one?

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs."

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

In Ballaghadereen there is a hotel housing asylum seekers where there are mini riots practically every week as when the Syrians came in quite a few Kosovan, turks and Albanias etc came in with them posing as Syrians. Despite not being able to speak Syrian and the Syrians telling the authorities about these people they are still there and they are the ones causing trouble not the syrians

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By *antas_number_one_elfWoman
over a year ago

dublin

I think we should take in as many as we possibly can, and when we reach that capacity, then we stop. These people need to be vetted, just the very basics. If we can provide shelter, food medical care, counseling and schools to the people we are purporting to help them great. If the time comes that we are unable to provide any of the necessities, then we’re at capacity and that’s it.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

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By *aucyladMan
over a year ago

Dublin

If we don't have the facilities to cover their basic needs then we need to call it out which this clearly is a case of doing. Flooding the country when there is no accommodation isn't the solution.

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

That

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're full that's it. Process the applicants that are here ..if they're a fit legally put the to work like the rest of us and contribute to the system thats paying for everything....

..ask the people staying in tents in Co clare in winter is that how they though they'd be recieced as people seeking protection from iresland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think we should take anymore at least until we have a proper set up for hosting them, people sleeping in tents this time of year is shocking, we have over 11000 Irish people homeless, our hospitals are at capacity,

I totally get that we should take them but if we can't provide them with proper care and homes.

I do think the big problem is out department's none seem to be working together, everyday on radio there are ideas ph let's us this building or thos hotel or this industrial estate. Heard a guy speaking on matt coopers show the other evening he was involved with the group that took over the empty building in Dublin for the homeless, its people like that that should be in charge of housing and placing these people not civil servant who haven't a clue

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. "

Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway

Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. "

That's just bs. A landlord would get 800 a month to accommodate Ukrainians. With rents in Dublin being sky-high no landlord right in their mind would kick tenants out in order to accommodate Ukrainians. Your struggle to find accommodation has nothing to do with refugees.

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway

Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue "

Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know.

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By *ohn4fun1000Man
over a year ago

The Midlands

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway

Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue

Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know. "

I just checked myhome.ie

15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin

Its the cost of rent that's the problem

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years.

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway

Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue

Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know.

I just checked myhome.ie

15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin

Its the cost of rent that's the problem "

Try to contact them as well as through Daft and lucky you if you get 5 replies.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Noommne would dispute that there is a housing crisis. Housing inflation has made Dublin totally unaffordable to many. Its the same in many other European cities. It was the same before Russia invaded Ukraine. Its not their fault.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Its a bigger problem to be honest than landlords are throwing out tenants but the refugees get the blame anyway

Theres lots of accommodation in Dublin.....its the rent being charged thats the issue

Where are the lots of accommodation in Dublin? Please let me know.

I just checked myhome.ie

15 pages of houses and apartments to rent in Dublin

Its the cost of rent that's the problem

Try to contact them as well as through Daft and lucky you if you get 5 replies."

Huge amount of build to rent apartments coming on stream in Dublin

Check them out instead.....2500 for a one bed is standard

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

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By *ndqtMan
over a year ago

The Wild West

"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

Spot on Bog. This is a very devisive subject that does need debate but the risk of being labeled for participating in such a debate prevents many.

For me its the whole "indusrty" that has grown up around this that frightens me.

People being displaced and seeking asyulm is a major cashcow in europe now for a tiny group of very well politically connected people and organisations.

The displaced people themselves are just numbers. It suits those gaining ftom it to delay processing and to stop the people integrating with normal Irish society - its a billions of euro industry - the longer you hold them the more profit.

There are bad apples getting in too with the genuine people.

As a nation we need to grow up and find a way to identify the good from the bad quickly with proper border police and proper resources for them. And dont say that cant be done. We all know of countries with strong border control.

Im all for helping genuine people and getting them up and running here so they can stand on their own two feet financially - but this shit of endlessly holding good people for profit (and make no mistake thats what it is) and not sending the bad apple back to where they came from immediately - that just is wrong.

But then again - none of our so called leaders really give a hoot about right and wrong anyway.

Its all about the money and making sure the status quoe is maintained

And its very easy to do that when all you need to do is pull the racist card on anyone who questions them

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. "

Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home

I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own .....

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne

Australia can process refugees within 24hours nd either let them in or return them to their last port , we take seven years nd never put anyone out , people that have been told to leave just don't leave, we can't keep letting people in when we have no where to put them , we need to stop shut letting people in until we sort this mess out , the only thing that's happening here is rich people are getting richer

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years."

Not sure what you're trying to say there.

Most landlords aren't socialists and set the rent in accordance to an average salary. Property is fierce capitalism territory.

Most properties in Dublin can be rented out for a multiple of the 800 quid you'd get from the government to accommodate Ukrainians.

And no you can't just kick out long term tenants. There's an eviction ban in place at present. Under normal circumstances, depending how long a tenant is renting a property the notice to quid can be up to 8month.

So again the refugees can't be blamed for the Dublin housing crisis.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Google will be yere friend...

Ukranian refugee...

Asylum seeker...

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By *ind PaddyMan
over a year ago

South County Dublin

It is really sad when you stop and think about.

2 terrible wars, Syria and Ukraine. Millions displaced and killed. Putin and his mates have a lot to be desired.

I wonder what the man above thinks of this.

We have a poor government when the opposition are playing the man Minister Donohoe. 2 scheme are being set, one for micra buildings the other defective buildings all funded by Sean and Josephine citizen, anyone who pays their taxes. No one has been brought to account for either fault and the same shoddy builders will do the repairs. Apartments being built each Apartment should have a lock-up and a laundry area. Most European apartments have laundry area, not in ireland where rains a lot. There are not enough building inspectors. 1,200 euros to rent a one bed apartment way over the top.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market. "

Well then you believe wrong. We just think the subject through using a tiny bit of common sense. Take a look at the Dublin rental listings and tell me how many properties there are for under 800euro. Take a look at the rules on landlords evicting existing tenants. It's bullshit.

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

Lots of "economic migrants" may decide to leave if the downturn in the IT sector continues resulting in some free apartments and office space to be converted into residential.

It's an ill wind......

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

€800 is the third part of a normal salary. I suppose you are a landlord that hasn't been talking with Dublin tenants in years.

Not sure what you're trying to say there.

Most landlords aren't socialists and set the rent in accordance to an average salary. Property is fierce capitalism territory.

Most properties in Dublin can be rented out for a multiple of the 800 quid you'd get from the government to accommodate Ukrainians.

So again the refugees can't be blamed for the Dublin housing crisis. "

Ireland didn't start yesterday taking refugees and landlords have kicked out tenants for this reason.

When I say €800 I mean a room, not not an apartment or house.

The refugees are another factor to deteriorate the Irish housing market.

Well, being honest, it's not about the refugees, it's about government politics.

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

The payment is per property, not per room, and will not be paid where there is an existing tenancy agreement in place.

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By *adger BrocMan
over a year ago

Co. Cork

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. "

Coppers....ah happy memories.

Oh Coopers. Sorry read that wrong.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday. "

Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home

I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own ....."

Be careful what you wish for.

House price collapse in the order of 50% means builders stop building and tens of thousands of jobs are lost. That then leads to shops, pubs and restaurants closing, service industries being decimated. Basically a repeat of what we had 14 or 15 years ago.

Rental prices can be lowered though without a catastrophic effect by building more social housing. Currently the private rental market is filled with renters who should be in social housing. These are armed with hap payments and this money is partly responsible for pushing up prices. It has also increased the numbers of people competing for private rental accommodation leaving people without hap payments at a disadvantage. More social housing would balance the situation back to where it should be and would be a far better use of public funds.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home

I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own .....

Be careful what you wish for.

Much more sensible...I was being flippant....never even thought of new houses and their price ...was thinking more about those people that object to everything being built in case they devalue the cost of their own house

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

Im not a landlord and do care about the rental and house buying market ...I have 2 adult children that should be in their own homes by now living at home

I hope house prices collapse by 50% to help them buy one .....couldn't care about the value of my own .....

Be careful what you wish for.

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday.

Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own? "

Do you want to give me an update? Please feel free

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"You can't really believe that a landlord would throw out a tenant paying way more in order to get 800euro PM from the government?

Obviously yes if you have a lower rent.

How many landlords just kick out their tenants that have been for years, doing a small work in order to improve the place, and been able to set up a new rent?

I truly believe most of you are landlords of your own place that obviously don't need to care about anything related with the rental market.

What I see it's my own and friends experience, not the cousin of a neighbour from someone I met at Coopers yesterday.

Maybe it's time to stop blindly believing what your friends are saying and time to actually do some research of your own?

Do you want to give me an update? Please feel free"

No. That defeats the purpose of doing some research of your own.

Filthynights has done a good job of steering you in the right direction though. Even just try and come with reasonable answers to some of the potential questions they raise will be beneficial.

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By *ealmc1973Man
over a year ago

Limerick, Clare, Tipperary

I just went for a walk around the 'block' counted about 5 or 6 houses lying waste on short country stroll... In the town, Limerick, the centre is void of any residents, yet the houses are everywhere. Tip, Clonmel - ghost towns...

My point is, that there is no shortage of accommodation, not only for war refugees, if that was the question, OP asked, but for permanent residents of this banana state.

From what I can see is, that there is no political will, no creative thinking and lack of courage from our 'leaders' to face the issue...

Anyway: Yes, let 'em come. Let them feel safe and welcome and let's give as much support to their fathers and brothers defending Europe in the trenches of Ukraine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date.

Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? "

Yes absolutely we can't look after our own people never mind refugees

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By *heoldhippyMan
over a year ago

Midleton

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

1) Thats not the only problem.

2) There is such a thing as non Ukranian refugees also."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. "

A landlord in Dublin would be crazy to kick out a paying tenant for a Ukrainian refugee, they can pretty much name their price with working people with refugees they are constrained by price of hap, the fact you can't find a place is a supply and demand issue and price is determining availability too

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By *ind PaddyMan
over a year ago

South County Dublin

"I just went for a walk around the 'block' counted about 5 or 6 houses lying waste on short country stroll... In the town, Limerick, the centre is void of any residents, yet the houses are everywhere. Tip, Clonmel - ghost towns...

My point is, that there is no shortage of accommodation, not only for war refugees, if that was the question, OP asked, but for permanent residents of this banana state.

From what I can see is, that there is no political will, no creative thinking and lack of courage from our 'leaders' to face the issue...

Anyway: Yes, let 'em come. Let them feel safe and welcome and let's give as much support to their fathers and brothers defending Europe in the trenches of Ukraine."

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date.

Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? "

No ... such an act of inhumanity will only lead to less humanity in the future. Do we want a world where we won't truly share the pain in the mists of disasters? rather we will allow others to suffer more than they have too ??

Bear in mind we are all aware the world is facing more and more global disasters in our near futures . Is this really the example we want to send out to the world?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date.

Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe?

Yes absolutely we can't look after our own people never mind refugees "

We can't look after out own is not the Ukrainians fault

Its government policy to let the market sort everything out

So private investment takes control of the housing / rental market and makes a fortune

The charity business tries to take care of the homeless problem but if they do then they're out of business so they talk the talk and pay the big bucks to their bosses but fail to deliver and the government throws more money at them to fail

Not all but a lot

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over a year ago

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner....

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Women and children shpuld be accepted.. Fighting age adults should be refused and your first country you land in should be the country you seek refuge.... Deals can then be done legally to accept people in a orderly manner.... "

Ah, so anyone of "fighting age", better known to the rest of us as working age, is not entitled to protection?

We'd be in some state as a nation if that rule had been applied to us at any point in our history when our "fighting age men" were travelling to other countries in search of work and sending money home to keep families alive.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Do you mean fighting age adults or fighting age men?

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

Every nation can only absorb a limited number of migrants , be it refugees or economic migrants . Every nation has its own core values and customs . New arrival will need to adopt or at least accept these customs , even though those may appear alien to them . I don’t think that the host should not be obliged by any means to adjust its values and customs to cater for new arrivals

In particular if a nation/state struggles to care for its own native people , new arrivals increase the burden on those locals who are short changed already . If migrant groups get too big , they form diaspora. humans are tribal . This will lead to further division in the society where e.g. the local poor blame the even poorer migrants instead of those who take advantage of the division to squeeze the population. even more .

I believe that most people are willing to help, however one can only ask so much and if the efforts to help brings your own life into limbo , the enthusiasm to help will fade quickly .

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By *ealmc1973Man
over a year ago

Limerick, Clare, Tipperary

Do you mean fighting age adults or fighting age men? "

What is 'fighting age' exactly? And why should women of 'fighting age' be allowed to stay, while men refused entry?

Pure rubbish talk, if you ask me...we know that Ukrainian Army - if that is, what we are talking about here - is one of the most feminized force on the planet. Plenty of girls and women fighting the invaders and dying on the front together with their brothers, fathers and grand fathers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think kids would do better in a foreign country with their mothers personally.... Fighting age ok maybe if your healthy enough....any able bodied ukranian man should at least try to help their country... Thats just my thinking.....

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"I think kids would do better in a foreign country with their mothers personally.... Fighting age ok maybe if your healthy enough....any able bodied ukranian man should at least try to help their country... Thats just my thinking..... "

Thats all well and good, but then if they are lucky enough to survive, they follow their family to whatever Western european country theyre in, only to be now met now with the 'equality' brigade, and all a sudden their prior efforts count for diddly squat if shes moved on and wants a divorce

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely she can now return amd help get their country up and running....i know its all easier said than done

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

The first country you land.... that would put everyone in same country in most instances... how do u think that can work ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

How many times have you put your life on the line for your fellow man ?

I ask cause u seem to think its so easy

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

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where dose this 40% figure of people destroying passports come from ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"If we don't have the facilities to cover their basic needs then we need to call it out which this clearly is a case of doing. Flooding the country when there is no accommodation isn't the solution. "

How much empty accommodation is in ireland right now ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin. "

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

where dose this 40% figure of people destroying passports come from ? "

Official figures .....3800 people arrived at passport control in first 10 months last year with no passport to show

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective "

I live in Dublin.

Frankly speaking, yes, I've been homeless when the weather was good sleeping in parks because I denied to pay half of my salary in just a room sharing everything with more people or being in hostels for a cheaper amount of money but sharing everything with different people every time.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"Don't have a problem with people fleeing a war with their family ...take as many as we can fit comfortably or even uncomfortably as long as they need to

Do have a problem with the 40% of people who rip up their passports getting off the plane ...the airlines have seen them before they get on

Must be a simple solution to that problem ....

Its the whole industry behind all this that I hate

Why do we take so long to decide who stays .....

Why do we pay so much to friends of the political parties for their sub standard accommodation

Everyone that says there's a problem gets hit with the racism card but its not as simple as that

where dose this 40% figure of people destroying passports come from ?

Official figures .....3800 people arrived at passport control in first 10 months last year with no passport to show "

That's not even slightly the same as saying 40% of people have torn up their passports. They're wildly different statements. One indicates that some people fleeing war may have struggled to bring their passports while the other Employees that 40% of 70 + 1000 people are deceptively destroying their passports before entering Ireland.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Implies

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

I live in Dublin.

Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work

You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

I live in Dublin.

Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work

You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work "

I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse.

Thanks for the advice anyway!

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

I live in Dublin.

Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work

You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work

I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse.

Thanks for the advice anyway!"

Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin

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By *oy.2022Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

I live in Dublin.

Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work

You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work

I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse.

Thanks for the advice anyway!

Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin "

It's a matter I feel ashamed to talk about so when I mention something it's just I'm looking for a better accommodation.

Thanks again for your advice!

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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

There was a guy recently arrested at Dublin Airport who was in possession of 37 passports, his own and 36 others on the same flight with him, who were pretending to not to have a passport!

Generosity-yes,definitely, but not when we're being hoodwinked by economic refugees.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"There was a guy recently arrested at Dublin Airport who was in possession of 37 passports, his own and 36 others on the same flight with him, who were pretending to not to have a passport!

Generosity-yes,definitely, but not when we're being hoodwinked by economic refugees."

Thats cost worth paying to help the majority of genuine refugees imo. I do take a earlier point , it should be a better more efficient screening process .

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

Where do you live ? Are you homeless? If not then your better of that those fleeing war ... everything in perspective

I live in Dublin.

Might be a stupid question but do you have to live in Dublin to work

You might have to consider living in a cheaper place to live and work

I've been thinking about it but yes, my work is in Dublin and commuting would be even worse.

Thanks for the advice anyway!

Have you tried the people you work with .......especially those who live and not just rent in Dublin

It's a matter I feel ashamed to talk about so when I mention something it's just I'm looking for a better accommodation.

Thanks again for your advice!"

Fair point .. I would agree we the Irish government and society are letting you down ... the point someone else made above of this being a rent price crisis rather than a refugee issue seems appropriate

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

_oy.2022...please don't feel shame in looking for accommodation when talking to people you work with

A lot of them will have kids in the exact same situation as you

Due to the fact my parents had sex in 64 I was born at the right time to get a mortgage at 25 and afford my own home and that used to be standard for most people

The best chance of getting accommodation is via word of mouth

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

A lot of people get there news from Facebook gript and other wanker based information outlets usually classed as commentary because they can't call it news/journalism because they'd get sued

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Let's be honest anyone that has voted greens ff fg in the past 20 years (at least) only have themselves to blame for the housing crisis.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say "

I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's about the housing crisis specially in Dublin?

Are you aware of that?

Are you aware of landlords and landladies are kicking off their tenants to get the Ukrainian refugees?

I'm really really struggling trying to search accommodation in Dublin.

You are so right and perfectly explained

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By *uttingstagsMan
over a year ago

Navan

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed. "

If you mean non-Ukrainians posing as Ukrainians than that’s a problem, however, it’s not like the international protection system hasn’t been abused before.

Ukrainians at the moment are probably among those in most pressing need of a safe place to take refuge but it’s not like the rest of the world is free of conflict and persecution.

In every situation where entitlements to certain benefits exist you’ll find fraudsters but that doesn’t mean that genuine refugees don’t need to be accommodated.

It means that fraudsters need to be returned to wherever they came from with immediate effect, substantial deception on application should mean deportation without further ado.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuckin hilarious when people like you can’t even remember the wording of the phrase that triggered you lol

Them military males and albinos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say

I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen."

You might know this area as well...

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say

I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen.

You might know this area as well...

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/"

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

We have over 15k on the housing list. Over 1 million on the hospitals waiting list. Not enough Doctors currently in the country. Adding more people to this is only causing more problems. We need to get our own house in order first.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

When you say "vet everyone" are you including tourists in that because normally in the summer time our hotels are full of unvetted tourists.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?

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By *oolpinstripeMan
over a year ago

Kildare

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?"

Then we could ‘take back control’ and ‘make our own laws’ and develop ‘new sources of income from the rest of the world’... just like our neighbours did...

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?

Then we could ‘take back control’ and ‘make our own laws’ and develop ‘new sources of income from the rest of the world’... just like our neighbours did..."

Can we have a big red bus too? Can we, can we, can we?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Thats just fucking ridiculous. Ireland leaving the EU because immigrants.

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By *ickheadcuntCouple
over a year ago

Cork Ireland

Yeah leave the EU we all see how well that's going for the UK

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

_arbieandbaldy

I presume one of ye is from outside The EU or you move between Ireland and The UK

Do you get counted in the 20,000

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

"
should we ask putin to run the place as well#? I'm sure he's got some free time coming up

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?"

Dont think hes said that has he

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible."

Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible.

Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens? "

The bit where he or she says they want to cap the numbers coming in to the country?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Freedom of movement is non-negotiable part of EU membership. Ending that and remaining in the EU is impossible.

Where has he or she mentioned restricting freedom of movement for EU citizens?

The bit where he or she says they want to cap the numbers coming in to the country?"

I think its fairly obvious he or she is referring to non eu citizens. He or she also mentions that one should also not be allowed in without showing documents, which even EU citizens have to do when moving freely within the EU

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I don't think that's obvious at all.. they seems to be suggesting that the country can't accept more than 20k more people.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Let's be honest anyone that has voted greens ff fg in the past 20 years (at least) only have themselves to blame for the housing crisis. "
I know people who vote for the same party all the time and wouldn’t vote for SF in a heartbeat.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I don't think that's obvious at all.. they seems to be suggesting that the country can't accept more than 20k more people. "
if there are tonnes of people homeless at present, struggling to put them in accommodation, how can we take more in?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"I don't think that's obvious at all.. they seems to be suggesting that the country can't accept more than 20k more people. if there are tonnes of people homeless at present, struggling to put them in accommodation, how can we take more in?"

Read my first post in this thread to see my opinion. This post was me attempting to explain my understanding of someone else's post (read above for explanation)

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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

One facet of Putin's war in Ukraine is to foment dissent within Europe regarding displaced people from eastern Europe.

Ireland is an extremely small nation state in the context of Europe; I am convinced other countries nearer to the Ukraine may not be pulling their weight, refugee-wise.

There have been over 10,000+ homeless in Ireland already that appear to have been marginalised in the current refugee crisis.

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

When you say "vet everyone" are you including tourists in that because normally in the summer time our hotels are full of unvetted tourists.

Nope, your twisting words here. What I am saying is, anyone coming here claiming asylum/refugee needs to be vetted, needs to make sure they are legit.

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"I think this country needs an overhaul when it comes to immigration.

We need to vet everyone coming into this country before they leave the airport. No documents no entry. As you can't board a flight or a boat without one.

Benefits need to be collected in person to cut down on fraud.

If you commit any crimes, you're automatically deported after a lengthy prison sentence.

A cap of 20k a year. As we don't have the space or the capability to accommodate anymore with the current setup in this country.

So what you're saying is you want to leave the EU?"

Now, where did you get that from in the post above? The post is about blocking anymore coming in at present. As we have no where to put them.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

When you say "them".. who do you mean?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"When you say "them".. who do you mean? "

I think thats clear from his other post just above isnt it?

Refugees/asylum seekers

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"_arbieandbaldy

I presume one of ye is from outside The EU or you move between Ireland and The UK

Do you get counted in the 20,000 "

Your presumptions are wrong. The reason I said we should cap it, is that we haven't got the room. Till we sort out our own internal problems, housing, healthcare etc. Once these problems are solved then a cap in place.

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"When you say "them".. who do you mean? "

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. "

I feel that Europe has a responsibility to house them yes. Not only Ireland. We should all take as many as we can, and push ourselves to do the maximum possible. Other countries have issues with housing and healthcare also. Its a collective responsibility.

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over a year ago

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

So keep squeezing until the pips pop out?

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both.

Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say.

They do have a say, it's called local and general elections.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

I agree, this is a problem but not at local level. I heard a local businessman from Ballaghadreen on the national radio last week saying the community welcome these refugees but they are not getting any support from government organisations that are supposed to be in charge of all of this

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Trying the best we can, alongside other EU members, to help those at the edge of Europe who have been driven from their homes by war.

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both.

Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons. "

Yes we did have these problems, now these problems have been made worse. And will be far worse when the hotels take back the rooms next months for tourist. Where will we place them then. Its unfair to bring people in with nowhere to place them. Regarding skilled workers, we have a visa system for that and a processing you go through to get that visa. It's the same for anyone from Europe who wants to go work in America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say.

Clearly we aren't going to agree, and that's OK. I feel housing refugees is millions well spent. Considering the waste in government spending its a drop in the ocean.

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

Im just here with the popcorn

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say.

Clearly we aren't going to agree, and that's OK. I feel housing refugees is millions well spent. Considering the waste in government spending its a drop in the ocean."

So exacerbate the wastage then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought this was a swingers site lol

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Housing families fleeing war is wastage? Urgh

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Housing families fleeing war is wastage? Urgh"

Where did i say that?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both.

Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons.

Can't imagine the hotels will "take back" the rooms. It's guaranteed income for 7 nights a week, I'd say they will be more than happy to take that. As it being unfair to bring people in with no where to place them, I'd say that is a decision for the refugees themselves to make. I don't think anyone can else can decide if that is "unfair" or not.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both.

Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons.

They'll get far far more from the tourism industry, particularly in the high season

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By *arbieandbaldyCouple
over a year ago

Dublin, Liverpool

"Housing and health have always been a shambles, long before the Ukraine war and the reality is that the Ukrainian refugees woukd have minimal impact on both.

Banning all foreign workers would have a far greater impact on improving the housing situation for example, but that would also be a terrible idea for lots of other reasons.

It's already started with hotels. During tourist season, they will get much more for the rooms from tourist. Plus, the country needs these rooms for the economy. Tourism is massive for the economy and the money it brings in.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Housing families fleeing war is wastage? Urgh

Where did i say that? "

You didn't say that money was wastage to be fair, I overreached there. I feel its money well spent is my point, and I would spend more to accommodate more if we could find a way.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

See the situation with Albanians and Georgians with other Eastern Europeans in the city west? All fighting one another.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"One problem is, they are letting in non Ukrainians as no passport needed.

Yes there is only one crisis in the world at any one time…

Course you wouldn’t. Irish people have passports because we all pop off on holidays lots. A lot of people around the world don’t have a bloody passport in the first place ffs.

I think the issue is people coming off planes and disposing of their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin if they claim to be from some other country like Ukraine.

Total bullshit. I know Ballaghdereen quite well and there's no mini riots practically every week as you say

I know for a fact that the guards are called out almost nightly to the hotel on the gurteen road. I'm from just outside ballaghadereen.

You might know this area as well...

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2023/0123/1350328-roscommon-school/"

I don't know that area, don't know much about Co. Roscommon For me Ballaghadereen is and always will be in Co. Mayo.

As long as the Ukranians are safe and sound.

As I stated above the issues in Balla have been caused by bad eggs posing as Syrians and causing trouble with the syrians when they the syrians repeatedly point out to the authorities that these people are frauds.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Is it not possible to be in the EU and have a sensible approach to migration.

Surely all countries big and small have a breaking point when it comes to housing and other essential resources for a growing population ?

Also I watched the Arsenal vs Man utd match and noticed the bill boards with advertisements for Rwanda tourism, isn't that where the UK is proposing to send asylum seekers to be processed?

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By *tarbuckmanMan
over a year ago

Dublin

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Is it not possible to be in the EU and have a sensible approach to migration.

Surely all countries big and small have a breaking point when it comes to housing and other essential resources for a growing population ?

Also I watched the Arsenal vs Man utd match and noticed the bill boards with advertisements for Rwanda tourism, isn't that where the UK is proposing to send asylum seekers to be processed?"

Yes....the tourist Board sponsor Arsenal....its also on their jerseys

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By *tarbuckmanMan
over a year ago

Dublin

We have reached capacity. It’s at crisis now and the situation needs to be managed.

Why do so many people seeking protection travel through 4 or 5 other safe countries to get to Ireland?

Why do so many people arriving here and seeking asylum have no passports or other identity documentation at Dublin Airport?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will be diluted

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"We will be diluted "

Like when we emigrated in our thousands over the years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We will be diluted

Like when we emigrated in our thousands over the years

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Like with every country, the line will be drawn somewhere. You can’t just keep taking and taking and taking. Every second post I read about non nationals, you have people complaining about what’s going on.

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By *B 4099Man
over a year ago

North West, Outer Letterkenny area

I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think with the whole European thing people think of Ireland as something that it's not. We are an Island. We are the same size as Latvia. But that's considered a tiny nation. The entire island is smaller than the State of New York, and could fit into Australia 90 times. 90! There is land mass everywhere. And quality of life is important, I can't see how overcrowding everything and making people, human beings sleep on the streets or in tents is a good thing. Only by getting a semblance of control and balance can people feel safe and fell like they are living not existing. My tuppence worth. "

The control won't happen, that ship has sailed

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By *anandJCouple
over a year ago

Citywest

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-hospitalised-after-brawl-citywest-29032351

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By *tarbuckmanMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here "

Yes that is very true unfortunately

There are a lot of arrivals that are not from war torn Ukraine and I do not understand how they are allowed stay. If I arrived in USA without documentation and some story why I should be allowed stay I would be put in jail until I could be deported that’s for sure

It’s not too late to say stop but that doesn’t seem to be an option being considered by our government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No dogs no black no Irish is that what we as Irish are doing now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-hospitalised-after-brawl-citywest-29032351"

Its this we are soft on.... Try this in Australia and you woukd be bacj brawling on your home turf fairly quickly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not what some of or parents felt when they left our fair isle

Should we welcome them as in any person that wants to make a better life for their kids and themselves

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By all means And as soon as they break the law bye bye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By all means And as soon as they break the law bye bye "

When the Irish broke the law.they were sent to Australia so what do we do

Maybe we should send them too skellig Michael

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think irish sent irish to Australia... Skellig Michael is a bit far re human rights..... But something like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The English did but we could send them to spike

Wouldn’t that make everyone happier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not me everyone should have a chance to make a life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutly i think you lost me we should welcome refugees in need 100 percent but if your here you behave if not spike island for ya.... Come add to society by all means but if your a shit head sorry you gotta go back...

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here "

So we should allow them to work and be allowed to treat then like shut because we where ?

I'm sure they'd happily work here

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Not me everyone should have a chance to make a life "

Not you what?

Who are you replying to?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"One facet of Putin's war in Ukraine is to foment dissent within Europe regarding displaced people from eastern Europe.

Ireland is an extremely small nation state in the context of Europe; I am convinced other countries nearer to the Ukraine may not be pulling their weight, refugee-wise.

There have been over 10,000+ homeless in Ireland already that appear to have been marginalised in the current refugee crisis.

Worth noting many other countries closer to Ukraine don't have the wealth we do !

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit. "

Semantics.... the point being made is that you can't cap movement in the eu and stay in eu ... its also an incredibly inhumane suggestion at present. I hope that if some country ever trys to blow your county to shit , we don't cap the amount of you that can flee.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

So keep squeezing until the pips pop out? "

Absolutely.... if it means we all end up worse off and poorer its the right thing to do . Surly the amount of suffering has to be shared if we truly care ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"When you say "them".. who do you mean?

Asylum seekers/refugees. I thought I made that clear above. I get it. Some people think we can house the world, and the reality is we can't. A cap is for everyone benefit.

Well we will just have to disagree on this. Plus I honestly think we needs referendum on this matter. The cost to the tax payers is going into the millions. People should have a say.

That I think is the issue in a note show. For some this is no longer become humanitarian crisis rather than a financial threat. It's a sad day when I developed a lucky country like ours gets to a point Where we can look at people being blown out of their own homes individuals just like us and we can say OK we've helped enough it's beginning to heart our pockets we should stop.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"We will be diluted "

I think what you're referring to as dilution is more openly referred to as inclusion.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Its not about size of land . Ireland ranks second in the top ten richest nations in the world according to the IMF. Agriculture, food, textile industries, IT and mechanical engineering helped the Irish economy to overtake Singapore, Qatar and even the USA.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"We were willing to work and were treated like shit....total opposite happening here

Yes that is very true unfortunately

It’s not too late to say stop but that doesn’t seem to be an option being considered by our government."

Prob not if you were coming from bombs dropping in Canada!!!!

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By *ombikerMan
over a year ago

the right side of the river

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

We are a relatively wealthy country... but that list is very skewed because it uses GDP as the measurement and our GDP is artificially high because of the way multinationals move profits here for tax purposes.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt "

I would strongly disagree. Being one of these most Irish people I am aware that me and my entire very large extended family all have roofs over their heads all can buy food all by luxuries several times during the year all can buy presents and toys Eat out once in a while have their teeth taken care of have their health taken care of have reasonably nice cars can pay off their loans. I think what you're referring to is spoiled.. We don't seem to remember how difficult life truly can be and we think that if you have less than 50 euro a week after all your bills then you must be clawing.

Calling this when you have no drinking water when your animals are dying around you because you have no food to feed them when your children have no schools to go to when all your civil rights are being bombed away.

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"We are a relatively wealthy country... but that list is very skewed because it uses GDP as the measurement and our GDP is artificially high because of the way multinationals move profits here for tax purposes."

Allow for the discrepancies we are still wealthier than most European countries per capita

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy."

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By *oxyvixen99Woman
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy."

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By *rishSamTV/TS
over a year ago

Dublin

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy."

Our standards of living have changed massively since the early 90's when I could count the number of cars on the estate and the number of things plugged in around the house. We are absolutely a wealthy country. We have a civic duty to assist in a crisis

The only reason I support a temporary pause in numbers incoming is to ensure reception facilities are available so as to avoid chaos.

But even that I recognise is a luxury, since as an island we can do that. I can't imagine the pressure in Poland and other Mainland Europe entry points

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

I don't think many Irish people would consider themselves rich.

There may be some rich people but in general most Irish people are clawing by week to week. Burdened with a crippling debt

We may not be rich but my God we are wealthy.

The only reason I support a temporary pause in numbers incoming is to ensure reception facilities are available so as to avoid chaos.

But even that I recognise is a luxury, since as an island we can do that. I can't imagine the pressure in Poland and other Mainland Europe entry points

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I don’t think we have enough reception facilities available as it is or we wouldn’t have oodles sleeping on the street around the country, especially the cities.

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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Regrettably, most incoming refugees are going to have to find their own places to stay henceforth, rather than being able to depend on the state's resources.

This development is bound to percolate through the refugee 'grapevine' and deter others from coming here, which is an awful situation for genuine refugees to contemplate.

The state's resources are not unlimited, and housing and feeding refugees and other associated costs are high, and marginalising our own homeless problems.

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By *ubal1 OP Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

When Uachtarain Michael D Higgins was in Africa, in attendance at a conference at which he was the sole head of state from outside Africa, he made reference to the indigenous homeless problem being compounded by the recent new foreign influx by Ukrainian folk.

Crucially, he said that it should be part of our duty and common humanity to care for both types; and that the long-term Irish homeless should not feel that they are now being marginalised by foreigners

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"When Uachtarain Michael D Higgins was in Africa, in attendance at a conference at which he was the sole head of state from outside Africa, he made reference to the indigenous homeless problem being compounded by the recent new foreign influx by Ukrainian folk.

I hope irish homeless do feel this way. Moreover I hope if they do unfortunately feel this way its not because its true . If it is true ,well shame on us for not making sure both are cared for .

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By *ac1234Man
over a year ago

letterkenny

"The current Irish government had indicated that it may block any further refugees simply because it cannot identify any facilities that are suitable; well over 75,000 have been accommodated to date.

Should Ireland, a small and generous nation refuse entry to further refugees from eastern Europe? "

As far as I know Ireland are required to take in a certain amount, lack of planning as usual

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

I hope irish homeless do feel this way. Moreover I hope if they do unfortunately feel this way its not because its true . If it is true ,well shame on us for not making sure both are cared for . "
take the wasters who refuse to work off your homeless list I wonder would it actually be that big

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