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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

If only it was that simple! they expect the beneficiary (landlord) to pay ALL the utility bills electric, gas, bins, TV licence, management fees, so who in there right mind would go for this scheme, absolute joke of a country the right foot doesn't know what the left is doing

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

Well most of those are standard bills that dont vary with the number of people in a house, and you would already be paying them.

However, yes the issue around gas and elec is a valid problem, as god only knows what the bills would rise to with extra people in the house all day.

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By *errardNo8Man
over a year ago

Galway/Mayo

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

Government leaders would know what my left foot is doing if I got a chance

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go. "

That's not adding other asylum seekers from different countries so the real number will be over 100k and we have 10k Irish people homeless, a real shit show ahead it seems

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

city

It might interest the investment property owners of multiple appartments, as they can offset losses againt other properties. There is a €500 million fund to finance refugee housing,catering and security. .. At this scale this is a booming industry in ireland.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later.

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By *ot neuteredMan
over a year ago

Kildare

The Co Councils are specifically looking for vacant houses, I'm not sure if utility bills have to be paid by the owner or if the council will cover them

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

That's not adding other asylum seekers from different countries so the real number will be over 100k and we have 10k Irish people homeless, a real shit show ahead it seems"
exactly. If they can’t accomadate the Irish, where do they put the others?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later. "

If you feel like your losing out say so and in what way

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

Ballsbridge, City Centre

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

That's not adding other asylum seekers from different countries so the real number will be over 100k and we have 10k Irish people homeless, a real shit show ahead it seemsexactly. If they can’t accomadate the Irish, where do they put the others?!"

You seem to be very passionate about Irish homeless people, I assume you do volunteer and outreach stuff in your spare time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later. "

Can you confirm this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any of them want to join fab. Always room for eastern Europeans. Doesnt mean we have a bed though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

If someone is renting and not receiving any assistance from the taxpayers,then you could be right but it seems too me your looking at it from a profit side I could be wrong what say you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!"

100 per cent agree

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

You seem to be very passionate about Irish homeless people, I assume you do volunteer and outreach stuff in your spare time"
id be a lot more worried about the homeless people in my own country not been looked after. I’d say that’s a common trait with most Irish people.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!"
an awful lot of polish who moved here years ago are actually going back as the construction/building trade is booming over there and crying out for workers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

You seem to be very passionate about Irish homeless people, I assume you do volunteer and outreach stuff in your spare timeid be a lot more worried about the homeless people in my own country not been looked after. I’d say that’s a common trait with most Irish people. "

Maybe so but does it really matter where your from if you don’t have a home your homeless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are one world. We should look after anyone that needs help and is willing to contribute to our society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!"

If I’m not mistaken they were criticized too when they came first

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

Maybe so but does it really matter where you’re from if you don’t have a home you’re homeless "
I think it does. if an Eastern European came here for argument sake, would you accommodate them before some Irish individual, who unfortunately has become homeless?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

There is 70,000 Ukrainians due before Xmas, that’s not taken into account the other non nationals that will arrive. Go around the country and we have droves upon droves of Irish homeless. Where do you put them all? We can’t even accommodate our own. It’s a fairly simple question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I probably would accommodate a ukrainian over a irish stranger. Bad isnt it. Comes down to trust.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

Maybe so but does it really matter where you’re from if you don’t have a home you’re homeless I think it does. if an Eastern European came here for argument sake, would you accommodate them before some Irish individual, who unfortunately has become homeless? "

I could ask you the same question would you be motivated by the money or where there from

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

I could ask you the same question would you be motivated by the money or where there from "
id be motivated by trying to solve our own (Irish) accommodation crisis before trying to house those of another country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cant families help them out.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"There is 70,000 Ukrainians due before Xmas, that’s not taken into account the other non nationals that will arrive. Go around the country and we have droves upon droves of Irish homeless. Where do you put them all? We can’t even accommodate our own. It’s a fairly simple question. "
id love an answer to this.

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

Ballsbridge, City Centre

Have ye a spare room in yours?

Would you not take a Irish homeless in and free up a spot for the lovely Ukrainians who are fleeing war?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Have ye a spare room in yours?

Would you not take an Irish homeless in and free up a spot for the lovely Ukrainians who are fleeing war?"
don’t have a spare room but actually know some individuals who have given a room to strangers, have you?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Have ye a spare room in yours?

Would you not take a Irish homeless in and free up a spot for the lovely Ukrainians who are fleeing war?"
there is also a lot more then Ukrainians coming to the country. You’ll have well over 100k in the new year with nowhere to put the majority.

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

Ballsbridge, City Centre

Have ye a spare room in yours?

Would you not take an Irish homeless in and free up a spot for the lovely Ukrainians who are fleeing war?don’t have a spare room but actually know some individuals who have given a room to strangers, have you? "

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Have ye a spare room in yours?

I haven’t a house to begin with so no spare room, it’s refreshing to hear a kind compassionate soul who has opened their doors to those less fortunate than themselves rather than classify them by colour or creed and then do sod all to help any of them"
I live in a small enough area. People in the area, more than one crying out for houses. I know of at least 5 properties vacant in the area /surrounding area at present, some council, vacant over a year. I’d also love to know why this is the case. Vacant so long when so many are homeless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What really annoys me especially over the last three years is how fast the govercan move in a crisis, yet we have to beg for improvements during normal times.

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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago

cork

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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago

cork

"At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!

If I’m not mistaken they were criticized too when they came first "

I heard that they don't bring their buggies on the bus and just get new ones from the social welfare ever day instead!

And the men eat swans from the lough!

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By *cl2010Couple
over a year ago

cork

Have ye a spare room in yours?

I haven’t a house to begin with so no spare room, it’s refreshing to hear a kind compassionate soul who has opened their doors to those less fortunate than themselves rather than classify them by colour or creed and then do sod all to help any of themI live in a small enough area. People in the area, more than one crying out for houses. I know of at least 5 properties vacant in the area /surrounding area at present, some council, vacant over a year. I’d also love to know why this is the case. Vacant so long when so many are homeless. "

There's nearly two hundred thousand vacant homes in Ireland at last count.

Some beyond repair, some in unwanted areas but most seem to be squatted on by people with little interest in doing anything with them until they personally need some money

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later.

If you feel like your losing out say so and in what way "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later.

Can you confirm this "

Media reports

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is not discriminatory/racist post, its numbers, too many people and no where to put them, basic maths

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

On the radio today that hotels are owed millions by the Government

Yep many households who took in refugees are still waiting for this €400 a month allowance months later.

Can you confirm this "

Look it up , if it was on the radio there must be truth there , they wouldn't say it otherwise.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Anyone know anyone living as an illegal immigrant in the USA? Many overstay visas by years. Many who went over in decades past and never came home and are still undocumented. Many who benefitted from the jobs available in the UK and made a home there. No dogs, no blacks, no Irish. People have short memories.

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By *eastMan
over a year ago

Oranmore

This has the air of a discriminatory post.

Ukraines and refugees in general are not in competition with Irish people for accommodation.

Irish people get first priority and any payments to landlords etc are much higher for Irish people.

Anyone taking in someone from Ukraine is doing so out of the goodness of their heart and the 800 euro is a contribution to help offset their costs.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

So once again, to try to draw this back to the OP, we have a housing crisis here, we have a homeless crisis here, we have a shortage of essential services here (ie doctors, hospital beds). We are currently taking in proportionately far more immigrants/asylum seekers than we are used to/prepared for.

How are we going to handle all this?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

How are we going to handle all this?

Yes I think it'd something to do with a little drama over in Ukrane where they are being bombed out of their homes and so countries who still have their houses intact are doing their best in a shitty situation to help.

Also I think of you read this thread in its entirety you'll see a lot more right wing nonsense than left wing."

So any answer to the question then?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

How about all the empty holiday homes and mobiles dotted around the country .....empty till next summer

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

How are we going to handle all this? "

Yes I think it's something to do with a little drama over in Ukrane where they are being bombed out of their homes and so countries who still have their houses intact are doing their best in a shitty situation to help.

Also I think if you read this thread in its entirety you'll see a lot more right wing nonsense than left wing.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

How are we going to handle all this?

Also I think of you read this thread in its entirety you'll see a lot more right wing nonsense than left wing.

So any answer to the question then? "

The answer is "in every way humanly possible"

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

How are we going to handle all this?

Also I think of you read this thread in its entirety you'll see a lot more right wing nonsense than left wing.

So any answer to the question then?

The answer is "in every way humanly possible""

So thats a no then

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

I'm not sure "no" is the answer to the question "How are we going to handle all this?"

In reality this crisis isn't going to be resolved in this thread. It will take sustained effort by the leaders and habitants of all countries who are working to provide shelter to those fleeing war. We don't have a choice. We need to share the burden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The refugees are possibly the same as the Irish that left Ireland during the famine to get away from the trouble and strife.

If you were in their situation (which i hope will never happen ), would you get out of there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure "no" is the answer to the question "How are we going to handle all this?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people fleeing this horrible situation in their country dont want to be here. They are here because they want to stay alive and protect their kids. They go to sleep every night in their make shift accommodation wondering have their husbands or family have survived the day fighting for the couutry they know and love.

So for me it's a case of if we are worried about hosting 100,000 until it is save for them to go home we are looking at it wrong.

Yes we have an issue in the country with alot of things but we have freedom and the knowledge our house won't be blown up during the night as we sleep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The current coalition administration needs to go end of!!!

If any of them told me it was raining I'd go out and check ...can't believe a word they say...they even tried to pass a transferring of votes to each other for the next elecrion...says that they are worried... two different political parties with two different manifestos helping each other out to stay in power at all costs...democracy yeah right ..coercion at its best

Jerry Jerry Jerry

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

There will be alot Ukranian refugees coming here now that Russians are blacking out Ukraine

Also there a funny clip on Twitter where Roderic O Gorman can't give an explanation to a journalist as to why the majority of asylum seekers are single males

Let's not confuse both groups

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be alot Ukranian refugees coming here now that Russians are blacking out Ukraine

Also there a funny clip on Twitter where Roderic O Gorman can't give an explanation to a journalist as to why the majority of asylum seekers are single males

Let's not confuse both groups "

Sorry but what do you mean by both groups I don't get it.

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By *ohn400Man
over a year ago

Dublin or anywhere

if you let your home out to these people you would be a long time waiting for the government to pay you,thats if you ever got it / a lot of health care workers still waiting for that £1000 they should have got 1.5 yrs ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

That's not adding other asylum seekers from different countries so the real number will be over 100k and we have 10k Irish people homeless, a real shit show ahead it seems"

The true figure is never known in anything.

This gov. like it's predecessors, have not got a clue.

The next one one the wings will make promises that can't be delivered on.

Added with this our own homeless crisis is gone beyond a joke and we are at the tipping point of people turning to extremes as new arrivals are bled for a system that has been broken for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be alot Ukranian refugees coming here now that Russians are blacking out Ukraine

Also there a funny clip on Twitter where Roderic O Gorman can't give an explanation to a journalist as to why the majority of asylum seekers are single males

Let's not confuse both groups

Sorry but what do you mean by both groups I don't get it."

Its currently illegal for Ukrainian males over the age of 16 and U60 (not definitely sure about the ages) to leave - they are being called up/drafted etc. into units of some shape or form.

Added with that, most of the fighting is in the east with the west ticking over. There are a lot of European companies here that are still technically working (at a lower scale, but working to keep the economy a float.

Anyone who is here presently and working are sending funds back.

This is even true with people seeking asylum who are allowed to work.

A "this" v "them" mentally has been cultivated.

I'm not sure if anyone here has ever lived/worked in a conflict zone where access to food and most importantly sanitation has broken down, it's not pretty - we give out about the currtstate of affairs but we are (some of us anyway) still better off.

Everything excuse from the gov now has switched from it being ... " Well that's because of covid..." to "due to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine..." - the mess the country is in has been building for years. It's nothing new.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual these types of posts get hijacked by those esposuing left wing ideologies, who use whataboutery to distract from the main question.

How are we going to handle all this? "

Don't mean to cut across you but We also have a highly skilled workforce in the asylum system where ther are professionals who have left their own country for various reasons (the majority for safety). There is a skill set that is often untapped there because our asylum process isn't up to scratch.

Many of these people need intensive English to take them to a B2 (international standard of competency) to enter the work force but the rules that surround the system are so bloody confusing that no one understands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's a good idea. These should of been used to tackle the homeless crisis prior to all of this except there is one big problem.

Experience has shown people that unless your part of the click that is rubbing shoulders with the right gov. official getting a kick back, it's not going anywhere.

People's misfortunes have become a business to capitalise on.

Add this to every genuine case and there are the others that are there to act the maggot.

We have a crisis in this country where there is a cohort who want everything for nothing and are not prepared to contribute enem a little

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By *he masked ladyCouple
over a year ago

cork

Would like to know why there seems to be a lot of single males ?are men not supposed to be fighting in Ukraine and banned from leaving?we should help women and kids as much as possible but the men should be fighting for their country

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

My only experience with any of the refugees is when we gave a woman a job about 6 months ago.

She was insufferable and didn't do as she was asked so only lasted a week.

However she didn't need to work as she came from a wealthy landowning background and only took the job to improve her English.

She offered to work for nothing but that wasn't an option.

She was staying with a local woman but paid her way for the few months she was here before returning home.

Not all refugees are scroungers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My only experience with any of the refugees is when we gave a woman a job about 6 months ago.

She was insufferable and didn't do as she was asked so only lasted a week.

However she didn't need to work as she came from a wealthy landowning background and only took the job to improve her English.

She offered to work for nothing but that wasn't an option.

She was staying with a local woman but paid her way for the few months she was here before returning home.

Not all refugees are scroungers."

They aren't but also that women wasn't technically a refugee

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"My only experience with any of the refugees is when we gave a woman a job about 6 months ago.

She was insufferable and didn't do as she was asked so only lasted a week.

However she didn't need to work as she came from a wealthy landowning background and only took the job to improve her English.

She offered to work for nothing but that wasn't an option.

She was staying with a local woman but paid her way for the few months she was here before returning home.

Not all refugees are scroungers.

They aren't but also that women wasn't technically a refugee"

Agreed but I wonder how many of those who have come over here are like her but have been all lumped in together in the official stats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would like to know why there seems to be a lot of single males ?are men not supposed to be fighting in Ukraine and banned from leaving?we should help women and kids as much as possible but the men should be fighting for their country"

It might be on medical grounds or the fact they don't have what it takes to pick up a gun and fight.

In a country of over 43 million there is always going to be some that are just scared shitless and can't do it.also any man with 3 kids under 18 or is a sole parent are allowed to leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have enough soldiers, in fact there’s a huge waiting list for men to join the army or Territorial Defense. Not all men can fight

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Most of the single men are not Ukrainians but from other countries completely

They all get lumped into the same group by the far right who organise the protests

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and it angers me that so many people can’t understand the difference between an Asylum Seeker and Refugee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The greatest trick played on man is to convince him that those less fortunate than he are responsible for his hardships.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Nobody here is blaming refugees or asylum seekers for anything,, this is a numbers game basic maths no racist/discriminatory element here, The government need to invest in a calculator or perhaps if that is too great a step for them an abacus might help them understand figures, too many people not enough houses equals disaster

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"Nobody here is blaming refugees or asylum seekers for anything,, this is a numbers game basic maths no racist/discriminatory element here, The government need to invest in a calculator or perhaps if that is too great a step for them an abacus might help them understand figures, too many people not enough houses equals disaster "

Theres actually 57k vacant houses in the country according to the last census

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

11,000 irish homeless 5,000 are young children don't see the corrupt politicians offering to build housing estates for these people but bring in refugees offer citizenship straight away = votes in the next election to stay in power

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

If irish people were willing to relocate and live in the same areas as asylum seekers and refugees they wouldn't be homeless. But they've made a decision to be homeless because they have a specific area they want to live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If irish people were willing to relocate and live in the same areas as asylum seekers and refugees they wouldn't be homeless. But they've made a decision to be homeless because they have a specific area they want to live in. "

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

There is already a disaster in Ukraine. Subzero temperatures with no gas, no electricity, no water, and the constant threat of missile attack. A spare room, a hostel, a holiday home, or even a tent herr in ireland would be far better than they have to deal with living in a war zone. "Disaster" is a relative term.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

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By *he_Secret_GardenWoman
over a year ago

Naughty Lane

"Any of them want to join fab. Always room for eastern Europeans. Doesnt mean we have a bed though!"

aren't you thoughtful?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"11,000 irish homeless 5,000 are young children don't see the corrupt politicians offering to build housing estates for these people but bring in refugees offer citizenship straight away = votes in the next election to stay in power "

Sheltering refugees isn't a vote winner. More likely the opposite.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Theres actually 57k vacant houses in the country according to the last census "

So what I hate how this government puts the blame for lack of housing on landlords, most of these so called vacant houses are dilapidated sheds with no roof but its the landlords fault the government won't build social housing they've been getting away lightly for years expecting private citizens to house the population then having the cheek to take a 50% tax cut from whatever earnings the landlord makes, wake up landlords have the right to do whatever they want with their property and if they want to leave it empty for years then so be it, they shouldn't be criticised because the government sat on its hands for years and did nothing in regards to buildings social housing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Let's not be pedantic here, perhaps Mess would be more appropriate.

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By *he masked ladyCouple
over a year ago

cork

Who would you be a landlord in this day and age..50 50 if you get paid rent or not and if not you can't get renter out..the prtb is a joke ..eviction freeze..that's why so many landlords selling now

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Let's not be pedantic here, perhaps Mess would be more appropriate. "

I absolutely agree. Years of failed government housing policy has fucked the Irish people. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything humanly possible for families who's entire country is fucked by invasion and war.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Who would you be a landlord in this day and age..50 50 if you get paid rent or not and if not you can't get renter out..the prtb is a joke ..eviction freeze..that's why so many landlords selling now"

Also the virtual impossibility of repossession for wasters who haven't paid a cent of their mortgages in many years. Its no wonder its so hard to get a mortgage. Why would a lender loan secured on a property when nonpayment has virtually no penalty.

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By *atriceWoman
over a year ago

ballymena northern ireland not donegal

The system is so wrong it needs to change as both Ireland and the UK cannot support all these people doesn't matter where they from x it is making people feel angry and as we have no homes for our own families our country are being ruined no longer the happy place that we grew up in x so so sad angry and scared of what the future will be for our kids and grandkids

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun? "

Straight from the reality of the situation.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

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so certain Irish people are homeless but won’t live in accom been offered to them, am I reading that right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its how underhanded its been done too. Im from a small town and our nursing home was closed to do renovations and everyone moved to nursing homes 20 to 45 minutes away from family and reassured it was only temporary. As soon as it was closed the word came that it was now needed to house migrants. Im under no illusions the whole thing was done deliberately.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Its how underhanded its been done too. Im from a small town and our nursing home was closed to do renovations and everyone moved to nursing homes 20 to 45 minutes away from family and reassured it was only temporary. As soon as it was closed the word came that it was now needed to house migrants. Im under no illusions the whole thing was done deliberately. "
has happened in a few towns around Ireland. One town in south tipp lost its hospital. People in town were outraged, protested right left and centre to get it reopened, I’m told it was invaluable to the town. I’m now hearing the same hospital is now going to be used for Eastern Europeans. It’s how things are been done people have an issue with.

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By *ilk_manMan
over a year ago

dublin

There is a worrying level of covert racism developing in Ireland in the guise of “concerned citizens “. “We need to look after our own first “ is a regular mantra. “This country is a kip “ is another regular quote along with “I’m just asking questions “.

The same individuals, for the most part, make no contribution to assisting the “Irish “ homeless or anyone else for that matter. They clearly are unaware of our obligations under international law to those seeking asylum. Not too long ago many of them were fanboys of Putin and his “Strong leadership “.

As someone who has worked with refugees from Ukraine, people in direct provision ( a national embarrassment) and homeless Irish families, they are all worthy of any support we can offer them. It is impossible to prioritise one group over another and they all have their own story to tell.

Those of us more fortunate should remember the many Irish who have emigrated over the years and the dreadful experience some of them had. We should offer a better welcome than the one many of our ancestors received.

This country is not perfect but we have a lot to be proud of and much to be grateful for. The challenges we face with housing are the same across Europe. This is not a reason to turn our backs on people during their time of greatest need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with above

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By *ifestooshort9999Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

"At least most of the Eastern Europeans that have moved here on their own free will are actually working, making a life here and contributing tax. More than some of the irish!!!

Im irish by the way!!"

What a horrible thing to say.

You seem to be suggesting that all our homeless choose to be homeless and dont want to work? Some people lost their homes, some lost their jobs, some have addictions, some have mental health or physical health conditions that resulted in them having no where to live, some have been evicted by know fault of their own, some were dragged up and never had a chance, and some choose to be that way.

There are many East europeans living homeless here too, who choose to be like that, as they were homeless in their own countries, and I don't mean Ukrainians, they all get a roof regardless of their situation, unlike many Irish and other Europeans. Many others cone here for the social welfare and not to work, as has been reported numerous times when loads are caught flying back to sign on and then return home.

The majority of Ukramians here are not working, most are stuck in limbo in hotels, holiday parks and disused buildings while someone else makes a profit from them.

With respect, to suggest more Irish than others choose to not work or be homeless is disgusting and ignorant.

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"There is a worrying level of covert racism developing in Ireland in the guise of “concerned citizens “. “We need to look after our own first “ is a regular mantra. “This country is a kip “ is another regular quote along with “I’m just asking questions “.

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This world of ours is a mess. It's not so long ago that large parts of Ireland had no men under the age of 25. Yes.. that because MEN left in their droves... and it was usually economic male migrants that headed of to different countries to try and make money to send home.

There are wars happening all over the planet.. most are fueled by weapons made in Europe and America. But people on boats are looked upon as some type of dangerous sub human species by many.

It's no joke to try and cross a dangerous stretch of water in an overcrowded flimsy dingy. There is a posting on the BBC website that charted one such dingy from leaving port to its eventual sinking in the middle of the sea. Made up of hopefull then horrific and desperate messages back home via text and voice it clearly displays the last moments of life of 30 people (2 survived) Desperate calls to French and British coast guards to plea for rescue .. calls that were ignored some with the hope they would drift into the others waters and therefore switch responsibility for rescue. Desperate and sad stuff... think of the actual humans and lives lost.. not numbers and statistics.

And next time you buy from Amazon or Tweet on twitter think about the obscene amount of money some people have

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By *apmCouple
over a year ago

navan

Great thread for preemptively blocking racists!

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

so certain Irish people are homeless but won’t live in accom been offered to them, am I reading that right?"

Yes.

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By *ickyAthleticMan
over a year ago

Galway

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By *ickyAthleticMan
over a year ago

Galway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Great thread for preemptively blocking racists!"

Ain't that the truth

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Once again i see this thread being diverted off by certain people into the realms of 'we irish were once migrants so we should be helpful etc', 'migrants coming face long arduous journeys and deserve our care and sympathy etc'.

For the love of god, i havent seen one person in this thread disputing any of that. What people are concerned about is how in the name of god we are supposed to handle all of this. Stop painting people as racists because they have the temerity to ask that very question. For a bunch who claim to be so liberal and tolerant, you dont have shout down people who dare to ask a difficult question that needs to be asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

agree 100% - well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing how they suddenly can find the money to take in,feed,house and school all these Ukranian people.

Very amazing indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But then you have Irish Mary,with her 3 kids,who wont take a nice 3 bed semi-d,because its not close enough to a KFC,and that she cant walk there in her dressing gown anymore.

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By *ilk_manMan
over a year ago

dublin

"Once again i see this thread being diverted off by certain people into the realms of 'we irish were once migrants so we should be helpful etc', 'migrants coming face long arduous journeys and deserve our care and sympathy etc'.

Thankfully I don’t claim to be tolerant, in fact I admit to a complete lack of tolerance for people who are disingenuous on this matter.

Just asking questions I see. Here are a few questions for you.

What would you say to a family fleeing a war that has already killed 150000 people while their husband/father stays behind to fight in Ukraine? Or a family from sub Saharan Africa fleeing the threat of FGM for their young daughter? Or the teenager fleeing conscription in Eritrea so they don’t have to fight in a civil war? Or a family fleeing Gaza? Or a Kurdish family fleeing persecution in Syria? Or a family fleeing the taliban so their daughters can be educated?

How would you decide who we should let into the country?

What is your solution?

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Thankfully I don’t claim to be tolerant, in fact I admit to a complete lack of tolerance for people who are disingenuous on this matter.

Just asking questions I see. Here are a few questions for you.

How would you decide who we should let into the country?

What is your solution?"

I have no idea, and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of what you've said.

The OP is regarding what we do and how we are to manage the numbers entering the country when we already struggling with essentials.

I dont know the solution, other than capping the numbers we bring in. But if that's not an option then i would be interested to hear all other possible options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason I posted on this thread is it looks too me as if the op is a landlord

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So some of the Ukranians are now complaining that they have to walk 50 meters outside from their prefab bedroom block to the prefab toilet block.

Supposedly thats not acceptable to them,as they are whinging about their human rights over here now.

They can always get back on the plane,and go back to the Ukraine,if they aint happy here.

Or they can go back to their tented villages on the Polish border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

Sounds like you applied (to make a quick buck),but then got scared and decided to pull out,when the powers that be contacted you.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

And that reality is backed up by what source?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Thankfully I don’t claim to be tolerant, in fact I admit to a complete lack of tolerance for people who are disingenuous on this matter.

Just asking questions I see. Here are a few questions for you.

How would you decide who we should let into the country?

What is your solution?

I have no idea, and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of what you've said.

The OP is regarding what we do and how we are to manage the numbers entering the country when we already struggling with essentials.

I dont know the solution, other than capping the numbers we bring in. But if that's not an option then i would be interested to hear all other possible options. "

But we are not struggling with essentials. People in Ukraine are struggling with essentials. They are in sub-zero temperatures and large parts have no electricity and this will continue for all of the winter.

Irish people's biggest gripe is that they will have to cut down on a few extra nights out in the pub over the Christmas period or there precious little darling eont get a PS5 each from santa this year.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

And that reality is backed up by what source? "

Not a direct one so I'll provide this one instead. It provides details on some of reasons people have given when they have refused an offer of a house. "I didn't like the colour of the kitchen." As the article says, one in three offers are refused by people.

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/12/10/one-in-three-council-houses-refused/

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

The main reality still remains, over 100,000 coming in but nowhere to put all.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"The main reality still remains, over 100,000 coming in but nowhere to put all. "

65000 Ukrainians are already here according to official figures

The numbers arriving have slowed down

Where are you getting your figure of 100,000 from

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

There's actually 'additional needs payments'a you can apply for when you have extra costs arising you can't cover in your current financial situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankfully I don’t claim to be tolerant, in fact I admit to a complete lack of tolerance for people who are disingenuous on this matter.

Just asking questions I see. Here are a few questions for you.

How would you decide who we should let into the country?

What is your solution?

I have no idea, and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of what you've said.

The OP is regarding what we do and how we are to manage the numbers entering the country when we already struggling with essentials.

I dont know the solution, other than capping the numbers we bring in. But if that's not an option then i would be interested to hear all other possible options.

Some Irish people are in,housing piverty,fuel poverty,food poverty,and clothing poverty too.

Its only human nature for 1 human to see another human getting it all handed to them on a plate for free,and feel a tad angry,because they dont get the same treatnent from the powers that be in Leinster House..

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"The main reality still remains, over 100,000 coming in but nowhere to put all.

65000 Ukrainians are already here according to official figures

The numbers arriving have slowed down

Where are you getting your figure of 100,000 from "
news the other day, 70,000 due before turn of year and that’s not including other Eastern Europeans.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"The main reality still remains, over 100,000 coming in but nowhere to put all.

65000 Ukrainians are already here according to official figures

The numbers arriving have slowed down

Where are you getting your figure of 100,000 from news the other day, 70,000 due before turn of year and that’s not including other Eastern Europeans. "

So that's 5000 more and not 100,00 more

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Thankfully I don’t claim to be tolerant, in fact I admit to a complete lack of tolerance for people who are disingenuous on this matter.

Just asking questions I see. Here are a few questions for you.

How would you decide who we should let into the country?

What is your solution?

I have no idea, and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of what you've said.

The OP is regarding what we do and how we are to manage the numbers entering the country when we already struggling with essentials.

I dont know the solution, other than capping the numbers we bring in. But if that's not an option then i would be interested to hear all other possible options.

Some Irish people are in,housing piverty,fuel poverty,food poverty,and clothing poverty too.

What are they getting handed to them on a plate that the same irish person can't avail of?

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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago

Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo

I think the figures are a total of 70000 Not another 70.Hopefully Putin will be deposed and stop the terror of his neighbours....Lest we forget we were there in the past We were taken in by US Canada Australia and others.Prob problematic at times.Hopefully we will remain welcoming in the hope of better days.....Which will come.All Tyrants eventually are deposed many by their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some Irish people are in housing poverty,fuel poverty,energy poverty,food poverty,and clothing poverty too.

Its only human nature for 1 human being to see another human being getting it all handed to them on a plate for free,and feel a tad angry,because they dont get the same treatment from the powers that be in Leinster House.

Charity begins at home??????

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Irish Homeless/housing crisis and refugees are two different sets of problems and should be regarded and dealt with separately.

But of course it's perfect propaganda material when combined to stir up emotions and resentment.

I think after over a decade it's fair to say that neither FG nor FF have the capability or the willingness to resolve the housing crisis. The solution lies somwehere in 'how' we build houses in the future, by that I mean the method and how we finance it. The close ties between the current political power, the conventional building industry and private investors blocks any alternative approach.

As for the Ukrainian refugees, best solution would be peace but it seems you cannot even plead for peace anymore going by the reactions those received who were calling out for it. Until then we (Europe) have to battle through this by providing the best support we can.

My heart goes out to anyone who has no home regardless of their nationality. Nobody 'chooses' to be homeless.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"The main reality still remains, over 100,000 coming in but nowhere to put all.

65000 Ukrainians are already here according to official figures

The numbers arriving have slowed down

Where are you getting your figure of 100,000 from news the other day, 70,000 due before turn of year and that’s not including other Eastern Europeans.

So that's 5000 more and not 100,00 more "
100,000 they’re anticipating in total when all come in between Ukrainians and other non nationals. It was even questioned where all are going to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the hotels are owed millions by the government for housing all the Ukranians,then the average joe,who takes in a family,hasnt a hope in hell of getting their 400 euro a month off them.

And that average joe will be stuck with that family for a long time to come too.

Thats the reality of it.

FG/FF and The Greens have lost control of this,its a car that has lost its brakes,and is going down the hill faster and faster.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

What ever asylum seekers get or don't get I'm not to bothered but I find it distasteful when people say oh the Irish did the same when we had to leave due to famine or economics, where ever the Irish went they went to fill labour shortages and had to work for everything they got, there was no asylum granted or free housing or free anything, just rough treatment.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

And that reality is backed up by what source?

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/12/10/one-in-three-council-houses-refused/

Of course there are refusals of housing offers. Some offers might simply be not suitable and if you take the reasons for refusal out of context (like in the article cited), it looks like bare ingratitude and arrogance (it's called propaganda) Note that refusing more than one offer has consequences, you're off the list for a year.

A small minority might be milking this system but to generalise that irish people 'decide to be homeless' is just outright nonsense.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

It's the oldest political stunt going.

- look over there "THEY" coming here to take your , jobs, women, houses, land, money etc etc etc. If they weren't here the country wouldn't be in a bad state -

It's right wingers wet dream that's happening. We have a country that is been squeezed financially so much that every economic class is feeling it. This makes people disenfranchised and looking to blame someone for their current situation and remember shit flows down hill. So people blame those futher down the ladder. It used to be people blamed anyone they thought were getting something for nothing. the single mothers, the unemployed, travelers, scrounging students the list goes on. Then in the 90s there was an influx of African people and they where next to be blamed Then with the eu enlarging it became the Eastern Europeans that took the blame and now we have the Ukrainians. Who let's be honest if there wasn't a war leveling their country wouldn't be here.

As the "what about our own homeless" the people crying this couldn't give a fuck about the homeless any other time but as soon as there's a chance to moan about foreigners getting something it's but what about our own. I know lots of people who where homeless or working on the ground with homeless charities and there are lots of homeless who refuse accommodation because the places are "dry" accommodations and they don't want to give up their vices...

The real villains here have been the government/councils who in their infinite wisdom stopped building social housing, sold off most of the social housing they had and hoped the developers would build a few here and there for them out of the goodness of their hearts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

Sounds like you applied (to make a quick buck),but then got scared and decided to pull out,when the powers that be contacted you."

Didn't apply for anything, only an idiot would sign up for that

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What ever asylum seekers get or don't get I'm not to bothered but I find it distasteful when people say oh the Irish did the same when we had to leave due to famine or economics, where ever the Irish went they went to fill labour shortages and had to work for everything they got, there was no asylum granted or free housing or free anything, just rough treatment."

Just like that

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"It's the oldest political stunt going.

- look over there "THEY" coming here to take your , jobs, women, houses, land, money etc etc etc. If they weren't here the country wouldn't be in a bad state -

There was a law passed in 2021 that all new housing has to have at least 20% of it allocated to affordable housing

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"So county councils are looking for apartments to house Ukrainian refugees, the chance to make 800 euro a month tax free, doesn't that sound great?

Maybe a landlord with a conscience and an aptitude for empathy

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go. "

They will go where ever we support them as they can't go home ... its being blown to bits remember

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

They will go where ever we support them as they can't go home ... its being blown to bits remember

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we can’t put them places if there is none. We have taken in x amount already, absolutely we should be but like everywhere there has to be a cut off point. If they can’t be housed, what are u supposed to do?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

That's not adding other asylum seekers from different countries so the real number will be over 100k and we have 10k Irish people homeless, a real shit show ahead it seems"

That figure is for those in emergency accommodation... people band it around like we have that many rough sleepers in ireland ...

The Department of Housing’s August report showed 7,585 adults (up 154 in one month) and 3,220 chldren (up 83 since July) in emergency accommodation

We don't even have 1000 rough sleepers in the entire country ... what is the difference in offering emergency accommodations to those struggling and to those fleeying death?

Nothing other that we choose to see a different because of boarders....

“There are 115 people sleeping rough across the city any given night.

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Life is difficult for many , brutal for some and deadly for others ... so surely we just have to share the struggle.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

I would accommodate who I could if I could and could care less where they come from ... ffs their all humans with feelings and needs

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

How many holiday homes and mobiles are empty now until easter

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

In caravan parks , in hotels , in holiday parks and homes... in empty rooms , in tents in community centres etc etc etc ,,, because the alternative is to loose our humanity and let them die,

I for one rekon if we do that, then all the space and houses in the world won't redeem us

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go.

They will go where ever we support them as they can't go home ... its being blown to bits remember

we can’t put them places if there is none. We have taken in x amount already, absolutely we should be but like everywhere there has to be a cut off point. If they can’t be housed, what are u supposed to do? "

There doent have to be a cutoff point because if there is people will die

If there isn't people in ireland will have a difficult decade for all ..

So roll up your sleeves ,,, prepare for a difficult and less comfortable future , or draw your cutoff line and watch people die on the other side of it ..

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

"It's the oldest political stunt going.

- look over there "THEY" coming here to take your , jobs, women, houses, land, money etc etc etc. If they weren't here the country wouldn't be in a bad state -

There was a law passed in 2021 that all new housing has to have at least 20% of it allocated to affordable housing"

They had that rule in for years but they left get out clause in it. It doesn't/hasn't worked

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

"How many holiday homes and mobiles are empty now until easter "
Census 2016 provided some limited data on the scale of the problem. It recorded over 245,000 vacant dwellings, or 12.3% of the housing stock. Of that number, about 62,000 were identified as holiday homes, leaving over 183,000 vacant dwellings.

The census enumerators attempted to establish the reasons for vacancy, and this data is available for over 57,000 properties. The most common reasons were for sale, vacant long-term, rental property or owner deceased.

Should give you some indication

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"How many holiday homes and mobiles are empty now until easter "
theses holiday homes and mobile homes that people use once the good weather comes about. Do we put these people in them now and just fork them out once they’re needed?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Is that straight out of the Irish mirror or the Sun?

Straight from the reality of the situation.

And that reality is backed up by what source?

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2021/12/10/one-in-three-council-houses-refused/

A small minority might be milking this system but to generalise that irish people 'decide to be homeless' is just outright nonsense. "

How is it out of context? It's the same outright nonsense as saying "nobody chooses to be homeless." The reality is some do, and it's a significant percentage. I don't necessarily blame them either, that's how the system has been set up and the fault lies with the system.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"How many holiday homes and mobiles are empty now until easter theses holiday homes and mobile homes that people use once the good weather comes about. Do we put these people in them now and just fork them out once they’re needed?"

Yes put them in now....sorted for 5 or 6 months ....small steps...worry about the next phase later

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

We sacrifice our holiday homes for a few years ... obviously

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

No, the state should only offer them a lease that includes the summer and runs until September.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

What it comes down to is all Irish scarifying their life and what they own for the good of the cause. I personally cannot see that happening though. At the moment most of our hotels are full. Will these people who own holiday homes , B&Bs etc be offered a figure to house these people? Will the people coming here be offered jobs etc?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What it comes down to is all Irish scarifying their life and what they own for the good of the cause. I personally cannot see that happening though. At the moment most of our hotels are full. Will these people who own holiday homes , B&Bs etc be offered a figure to house these people? Will the people coming here be offered jobs etc? "

Would you not just start a covid thread...they were a barrel of laughs compared to this .....

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

As s nation noted for our hard work and charity , our willingness to defend and support those who struggle across the world , i have no doubt we will do all we can , and give all we can and sacrifice all we should , and like through irish , if thats not enought we will endeavor to find a way to do more , as giving up isn't in us

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"It's the oldest political stunt going.

- look over there "THEY" coming here to take your , jobs, women, houses, land, money etc etc etc. If they weren't here the country wouldn't be in a bad state -

There was a law passed in 2021 that all new housing has to have at least 20% of it allocated to affordable housing

They had that rule in for years but they left get out clause in it. It doesn't/hasn't worked "

Developers had to provide a % of housing for "Council houses" or buy out

This law is new,signed in/passed last year

Hence the 2021 name

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/act/25/enacted/en/html

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Spare us the bleeding heart nonsense or the Irish emigrated before arguments, it's people with that attitude that have us in this situation, I hear of abandoned schools being reopened to house refugees ridiculous carry on, we simply don't have enough accommodation, no more refugees or asylum seekers thank you basic maths in play here

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"Spare us the bleeding heart nonsense or the Irish emigrated before arguments, it's people with that attitude that have us in this situation, I hear of abandoned schools being reopened to house refugees ridiculous carry on, we simply don't have enough accommodation, no more refugees or asylum seekers thank you basic maths in play here "

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

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By *iggtommy2000Man
over a year ago

Gorey

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By *iggtommy2000Man
over a year ago

Gorey

Basic maths? This from a guy who couldn't even spell the thread title haha!

Our economy thrives on migrant workers and our culture has spread to every country in the world you absolute plank. Do us all a favor and block everyone who disagrees with you.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Basic maths? This from a guy who couldn't even spell the thread title haha!

Our economy thrives on migrant workers and our culture has spread to every country in the world you absolute plank. Do us all a favor and block everyone who disagrees with you.

Or you could always just engage with him in civil discourse instead. Easier to resort to insults i suppise

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there?

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By *iggtommy2000Man
over a year ago

Gorey

Or you could always just engage with him in civil discourse instead. Easier to resort to insults i suppise"

Believe me, that's alot more civil than what I wanted to say. You're right tho. Apologies (to you, not him)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Basic maths? This from a guy who couldn't even spell the thread title haha!

Our economy thrives on migrant workers and our culture has spread to every country in the world you absolute plank. Do us all a favor and block everyone who disagrees with you.

What can I say I've stubby fingers and this keyboard on my phone is too small apologies if I offended the grammer police, like a previous poster suggests maybe it's best to engage in a civilised fashion, I haven't resorted to a personal attack upon you

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Or you could always just engage with him in civil discourse instead. Easier to resort to insults i suppise

Believe me, that's alot more civil than what I wanted to say. You're right tho. Apologies (to you, not him)

Its not me whos owed the apology though

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By *iggtommy2000Man
over a year ago

Gorey

Personal attack? Are you saying that you actually are a piece of timber and calling you a plank hurt your feelings?

You're stirring up hatred for refugees looking to find a safe new life. The government using abandoned property to house them is actually a great solution, not just for emigration but to bring life into areas that would otherwise be abandoned. Simple maths as you said.

Is a swingers website really the best place for this?

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there? "

Who said they needed to be provided with social housing? Yea, no one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Personal attack? Are you saying that you actually are a piece of timber and calling you a plank hurt your feelings?

Is a swingers website really the best place for this? "

Have a nice evening I'm done talking to you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there?

Who said they needed to be provided with social housing? Yea, no one. "

Do you think they will return to Ukraine once the war is over? Nobody knows when the war will stop even then it will take years to make the country inhabitable again so any refugee coming to Ireland cannot be housed in an abandoned school indefinitely, social housing is the solution for this problem

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there?

Who said they needed to be provided with social housing? Yea, no one.

It is the solution. And it's been the solution to the housing crisis yet the government have no interest in it. That's the problem, not the Ukrainian refugees.

Also, the vast majority of them absolutely will go back and they will go back to help rebuild their country as soon as the war is over.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there?

Who said they needed to be provided with social housing? Yea, no one.

It is the solution. And it's been the solution to the housing crisis yet the government have no interest in it. That's the problem, not the Ukrainian refugees.

Also, the vast majority of them absolutely will go back and they will go back to help rebuild their country as soon as the war is over. "

What makes you so sure of that?

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By *fox34Woman
over a year ago

Louth

There's no problem taking in refugees. But there has to be a limit given that not everyone can and afford to help house them. Unfortunately, the government hasn't even thought of giving limits. It is sad but there has to be a limit imo. We have a rental/housing crisis already.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

Why you think its better to not use abandoned schools ?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there? "

A housing crisis and an inability to house people fleeing war aret the same thing ...

If the were there would be 70k Ukrainians on the streets

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

There is a phenomenal amount of unused housing capacity in Ireland; a scandal that is being highlighted by the rising number of Ukrainian refugees coming here.

Empty holiday homes; unused office buildings, caravan and mobile home parks, underused military facilities, camping sites.

By engineering a massive refugee problem Putin is hoping to foment a crisis in the rest of Europe.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

But we clearly do have enough accommodation since they aren't sleeping out on the street. Its basic math, get your calculator out there lad.

We don't have enough social housing, if we did there wouldn't be a housing crisis now would there?

Who said they needed to be provided with social housing? Yea, no one.

It is the solution. And it's been the solution to the housing crisis yet the government have no interest in it. That's the problem, not the Ukrainian refugees.

Also, the vast majority of them absolutely will go back and they will go back to help rebuild their country as soon as the war is over.

What makes you so sure of that? "

Because living in abandoned schools isn't that appealing.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"72,000 Ukrainian refugees expected in Ireland by the end of the year

I’d love to know where they’re going to go. "

they are the nicest people you could hope to meet ... your figures are wrong ,

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Céad míle fáilte to all.

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