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"My first thought would be if you’ve tried all that and it’s still not heating sufficiently then the insulation might not be as good as you believe. " How is it possible to ascertain if that's the case? | |||
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"What settings have you the heaters set to run to ? " On the highest settings for maximum output | |||
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"If it’s a new heater there’s a digital display on the side that’s the modern thermostat " No digital display, De Vielle is the brand, just a couple of switches and a dial - the 11 fin also has a timer which the 7 fin doesn't have. I don't use the timer option though. | |||
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"Do you mind me asking what degree you’ve it set to?" There's no settings for temperature - just switches and dials...so I have both switches flicked and the dial at the maximum setting. | |||
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"My brother recently converted a room in his garage to a treatment room. It’s 5sqm has 80mm insulated slab on the wall and 200mm attic insulation but none in the floor. He fitted an electric storage heater and he’s happy with the result. Said it’s plenty cosy for what he needs " Room is 8 X 12, flat roof, felted, I presume cavity block but don't know about insulation used PM sent | |||
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"My brother recently converted a room in his garage to a treatment room. It’s 5sqm has 80mm insulated slab on the wall and 200mm attic insulation but none in the floor. He fitted an electric storage heater and he’s happy with the result. Said it’s plenty cosy for what he needs " ![]() | |||
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"Oil filled roads are generally a waste of time look up Rointe Panel Heaters I find they work well and they could advise you on the right size heater for your room if you give them the measurements. ![]() Yes, I may be looking into alternative ways to heat in the future...but in the interim I'm trying to figure if I can get this sorted quickly and at an affordable price. Thanks ![]() | |||
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"My brother recently converted a room in his garage to a treatment room. It’s 5sqm has 80mm insulated slab on the wall and 200mm attic insulation but none in the floor. He fitted an electric storage heater and he’s happy with the result. Said it’s plenty cosy for what he needs Room is 8 X 12, flat roof, felted, I presume cavity block but don't know about insulation used PM sent" If its cavity block then theres no insulation in the wall. Do you know if inside was stabbed with insulated slab when being built? If it's old building I would assume no insulation in the roof either | |||
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"My brother recently converted a room in his garage to a treatment room. It’s 5sqm has 80mm insulated slab on the wall and 200mm attic insulation but none in the floor. He fitted an electric storage heater and he’s happy with the result. Said it’s plenty cosy for what he needs Room is 8 X 12, flat roof, felted, I presume cavity block but don't know about insulation used PM sent If its cavity block then theres no insulation in the wall. Do you know if inside was stabbed with insulated slab when being built? If it's old building I would assume no insulation in the roof either" Relatively new build, certainly no older than 10, 15 years...and unfortunately I don't know...but am getting the feeling that it is down insufficient insulation ![]() | |||
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"My brother recently converted a room in his garage to a treatment room. It’s 5sqm has 80mm insulated slab on the wall and 200mm attic insulation but none in the floor. He fitted an electric storage heater and he’s happy with the result. Said it’s plenty cosy for what he needs Room is 8 X 12, flat roof, felted, I presume cavity block but don't know about insulation used PM sent If its cavity block then theres no insulation in the wall. Do you know if inside was stabbed with insulated slab when being built? If it's old building I would assume no insulation in the roof either" As above said if not insulated will be very hard to heat and will cost a fortune to try heat. PM me and can offer you some advice gladly Ann xx | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't)." Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? " I do ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() Thats some sky remote you used alright ![]() | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() ![]() Lol. 10 inches sound like cavity block plastered inside and outside. No insulation. Insulated slab could be fitted inside or insulation board outside and plastered | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() ![]() It's a whopper ![]() | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks for the info. How much space would I lose retrofitting? | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() ![]() Insulated Slabs go from 1 inch to 5 inches I think. Standard dwelling uses 2 or 3 inches. So 4 to 6 inches which you could handle I assume ![]() | |||
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"Thanks for all your advice, ladies and gents. I won't be investing in alternative heating sources currently as I know that what I have should sufficiently heat the room...I was trying to figure out why that wasn't happening, and I gather I have my answer - insulation is most likely the culprit. So off I go now to see how I can get that sorted ( after just finishing the final touches on decorating - I could cry...but I won't). Have you a tape. Can you open the door and measure the thickness of the wall outside to inside? I do ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Huge ![]() | |||
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"Flat roof is ur problem , as heat rises . Best advice I could give is pull down ur ceiling ,put 200 mm metac insulation between the joists not cheap I might add , put on an airtightness membrane and then an 80mm insulated slab , put an 80mm insulated slab on walls also and a few candles will heat ur room . Mr crazy Mr crazy " When you say it's not cheap, what do you figure for a room 8 foot by 12 foot... Also, once insulation is up, it needs to be plastered again? | |||
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"Can this kind of building be insulated on the outside walls rather than the inside?" Yup. You can get special external insulation that's fixed to outside and plastered | |||
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"Can this kind of building be insulated on the outside walls rather than the inside? Yup. You can get special external insulation that's fixed to outside and plastered" Ok great. Thanks. Looks like I have my research cut out for me with respect to cost and heat effectiveness. | |||
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"Your little haven sounds as if it needs a head to toe onsite analysis of the structure, by an expert, and advice on the optimal form of heating insulation etc, again by an expert, preferably the same one. Draughts proofing is also key. A piecemeal solution to the issues is not ideal; opinions proffered by a lot of different people. A comprehensive package of solutions will make the structure usable in all weathers, winter or summer If you can afford it, get the job done in one lot, rather than in pieces, that may not work together I have been through a similar scenario myself: maximum insulation and draught-proofing is the cheapest solution as input of energy, such as gas or electricity will become prohibitively expensive in the future. This cost will never decline." Yes, of course ![]() | |||
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"Flat roof is ur problem , as heat rises . Best advice I could give is pull down ur ceiling ,put 200 mm metac insulation between the joists not cheap I might add , put on an airtightness membrane and then an 80mm insulated slab , put an 80mm insulated slab on walls also and a few candles will heat ur room . Mr crazy Mr crazy When you say it's not cheap, what do you figure for a room 8 foot by 12 foot... Also, once insulation is up, it needs to be plastered again?" Yes it needs to be plastered or else tape and joint it and paint it. For materials alone u won't have any change out of 1200 euro , find someone to do it then and add on there costs. Hope this helps Mr crazy | |||
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"Can this kind of building be insulated on the outside walls rather than the inside?" . Yes u can, insulate walls and plaster, this is going to do nothing for ur ceiling thou. Mr crazy | |||
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"I've absolutely no knowledge or expertise in this area but PM me so I can slide into your DMs. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Flat roof is ur problem , as heat rises . Best advice I could give is pull down ur ceiling ,put 200 mm metac insulation between the joists not cheap I might add , put on an airtightness membrane and then an 80mm insulated slab , put an 80mm insulated slab on walls also and a few candles will heat ur room . Mr crazy Mr crazy When you say it's not cheap, what do you figure for a room 8 foot by 12 foot... Also, once insulation is up, it needs to be plastered again? Yes it needs to be plastered or else tape and joint it and paint it. For materials alone u won't have any change out of 1200 euro , find someone to do it then and add on there costs. Hope this helps Mr crazy " Crikey, ok ![]() | |||
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"I would say the issue is insulation. It doesnt matter what heater you use it would be going straight outside. Insulation for walls and roof best bet. " Yes, we've established that at this stage of the thread ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Id say its the insulation myself ....what do the others think " ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Id say its the insulation myself ....what do the others think " Bog ....I think you could be into something there. I reckon it could be the insulation too. But what would you do ? Internal External Or a cavity fill ? | |||
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"The pumped beaded insulation is ineffective with cavity blocks as you still have a cold bridge every 8 inches. It's the issue I had with our old house. Over the last two years I've slabbed most of the internal walls with 80mm foil backed. It's hard to believe how much of a difference it makes with loft insulation (pain in the hole to do). Word of advice though, don't go anywhere near portable gas/kerosene etc heaters, Asking for health issues. Also try to get a specialist and not a local builder as I've seen some absolute horror shows thrown up by cowboys that have had to be ripped out. Good luck ![]() This here. | |||
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"It is possible the electrical circuit in the room isn't feeding your appliances enough power." Wait... wait.... its not a insulation issue after all...phew | |||
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"So I have a small block built room in the back of the garden which is not serviced by my gas heating. It's a relatively new build, nice and dry, well insulated but for the life of me, I can't get the room up to a temperature suitable for my line of work in the colder months - I need to be able to get to at least 22, 23 degrees Celsius if not more... I use an electric, oil filled 11 fin heater - but found that it cuts out before the room gets to what I consider a comfortable temperature. I tried adding a 7 fin heater which made only a slight difference when run simultaneously. I then purchased one of those plugin fan heaters but the room just doesn't get to the temperature I need it to be at, even when all 3 are running! (Don't start at me with the running costs ![]() ![]() I haven't read the other responses but initially, I would have question. 1, is the floor insulated under the concrete? 2, how high is the ceiling, is it open to a void? 3, what wall insulation have you? 4, is there much glazing and have you curtains? Always maximise your heat retention before adding heat. | |||
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"My first thought would be if you’ve tried all that and it’s still not heating sufficiently then the insulation might not be as good as you believe. " | |||
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"Superser gas heaters are old fashioned but extremely effective at heating a space" | |||
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"It is possible the electrical circuit in the room isn't feeding your appliances enough power." | |||
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"It's coming in to Christmas crazy season. I say wrap it in gingerbread and plug the breezy gaps with icing ![]() I can't stand gingerbread but give me marzipan icing any day ![]() ![]() | |||
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"If you know someone with an infrared camera they could analyse room and see where heat is been lost as obviously with a couple heaters on you are losing heat somewhere " I don't, but thanks for the info ![]() | |||
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"It is possible the electrical circuit in the room isn't feeding your appliances enough power." I wouldn't think so as the rads get piping hot and I've never had a problem with the breaker or fuse blowing... and alongside trying 3 rads I would have had a few other items plugged in the room that work just fine. I'd imagine that I wouldn't have output if there was an issue with sockets, circuit or similar...but thanks for the input. I do know an electrical engineer I might be able to ask to have a look into this ![]() | |||
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"The pumped beaded insulation is ineffective with cavity blocks as you still have a cold bridge every 8 inches. It's the issue I had with our old house. Over the last two years I've slabbed most of the internal walls with 80mm foil backed. It's hard to believe how much of a difference it makes with loft insulation (pain in the hole to do). Word of advice though, don't go anywhere near portable gas/kerosene etc heaters, Asking for health issues. Also try to get a specialist and not a local builder as I've seen some absolute horror shows thrown up by cowboys that have had to be ripped out. Good luck ![]() Thanks for the advice, sounds sound with regards to the type of insulation ![]() ![]() | |||
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"External insulation and insulated cladding if it's a flat roof and theirs a foil membrane you can get for insulation under a floating timber floor it all depends on what you want to spend Dehumidifier are a good investment to help heat a cold day room as the extract the moisture which leaves the room feeling warmer without any heat If you persist at using heaters try a eco friendly one like a dimplex non oil eco" Cheers, though no room for a dehumidifier with regards to the function of the room. | |||
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"So I have a small block built room in the back of the garden which is not serviced by my gas heating. It's a relatively new build, nice and dry, well insulated but for the life of me, I can't get the room up to a temperature suitable for my line of work in the colder months - I need to be able to get to at least 22, 23 degrees Celsius if not more... I use an electric, oil filled 11 fin heater - but found that it cuts out before the room gets to what I consider a comfortable temperature. I tried adding a 7 fin heater which made only a slight difference when run simultaneously. I then purchased one of those plugin fan heaters but the room just doesn't get to the temperature I need it to be at, even when all 3 are running! (Don't start at me with the running costs ![]() ![]() Spoken true to your profession ![]() ![]() | |||
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"and extremely dangerous in a small poorly ventilated space. Superser gas heaters are old fashioned but extremely effective at heating a space" Thanks Twoblue on both comments. ![]() | |||
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"It is possible the electrical circuit in the room isn't feeding your appliances enough power. I wouldn't think so as the rads get piping hot and I've never had a problem with the breaker or fuse blowing... and alongside trying 3 rads I would have had a few other items plugged in the room that work just fine. I'd imagine that I wouldn't have output if there was an issue with sockets, circuit or similar...but thanks for the input. I do know an electrical engineer I might be able to ask to have a look into this ![]() That's a silly question. Electricity is either on or off. You can't get a varying level of electricity. If the breakers aren't tripping and the cabling isn't on fire, you're getting the electricity you need. The amount of electricity that flows is based on what's using it. | |||
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"So I have a small block built room in the back of the garden which is not serviced by my gas heating. It's a relatively new build, nice and dry, well insulated but for the life of me, I can't get the room up to a temperature suitable for my line of work in the colder months - I need to be able to get to at least 22, 23 degrees Celsius if not more... I use an electric, oil filled 11 fin heater - but found that it cuts out before the room gets to what I consider a comfortable temperature. I tried adding a 7 fin heater which made only a slight difference when run simultaneously. I then purchased one of those plugin fan heaters but the room just doesn't get to the temperature I need it to be at, even when all 3 are running! (Don't start at me with the running costs ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I wanted to reply in private to talk properly about it but.....your filters lol | |||
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"Insulated slab on the walls...polyurethane on the ceiling.." This might work.... | |||
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