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By *ubal1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Frankly, I do not hold much hope for anything practicable to emerge from this conference in Sharm-el-sheikh.

The attendees know we have passed the tipping point and wealthy industrial nations want to retain their powerful positions, and poorer nations have no real power to force a change in direction.

Lip service will be the general theme of the event, regrettably!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much of a carbon footage is going to be left with all these world leaders flying to Egypt?

Surely in this day and age they could have this conference remotely over the internet. Their goverments would have secure encrypted networks to prevent hacking.

Oh wait a nice little holiday at tax payers expense

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Yes unfortunately just another lip services excercise.

Most of the measures so far are cosmetics and handed down to individuals while whole industry sectors are still steaming ahead with no or very little change/responsibility.

It would need a worldwide revolution to turn this around.

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By *aucyladMan
over a year ago

Dublin

As long as the wealthy power nations continue to dictate and play by their own rules then nothing changes. What annoys me is that the poor farmer is blamed in Ireland and made reduce their stocking whilst China churn out massive pollution and nothing happens to them. We have targeted the easiest and ignored the guilty.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"As long as the wealthy power nations continue to dictate and play by their own rules then nothing changes. What annoys me is that the poor farmer is blamed in Ireland and made reduce their stocking whilst China churn out massive pollution and nothing happens to them. We have targeted the easiest and ignored the guilty."

Ahhh the poor subsidised cattle farmers! If only the government would start subsidising sustainable farming...

Cattle farming is one of the worst culprit, plus a serious water polluter on top of it. Certainly needs to be addressed and pointing at others has never done anything and is a cheap excuse.

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath


"As long as the wealthy power nations continue to dictate and play by their own rules then nothing changes. What annoys me is that the poor farmer is blamed in Ireland and made reduce their stocking whilst China churn out massive pollution and nothing happens to them. We have targeted the easiest and ignored the guilty.

Ahhh the poor subsidised cattle farmers! If only the government would start subsidising sustainable farming...

Cattle farming is one of the worst culprit, plus a serious water polluter on top of it. Certainly needs to be addressed and pointing at others has never done anything and is a cheap excuse."
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I think u will find that it's the burning of oil and not the growing of grass that is causing the problem ...

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"As long as the wealthy power nations continue to dictate and play by their own rules then nothing changes. What annoys me is that the poor farmer is blamed in Ireland and made reduce their stocking whilst China churn out massive pollution and nothing happens to them. We have targeted the easiest and ignored the guilty.

Ahhh the poor subsidised cattle farmers! If only the government would start subsidising sustainable farming...

Cattle farming is one of the worst culprit, plus a serious water polluter on top of it. Certainly needs to be addressed and pointing at others has never done anything and is a cheap excuse..

I think u will find that it's the burning of oil and not the growing of grass that is causing the problem ...

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I fully agree the growing of grass isn't a problem. It's the Methane that comes out of a cattle engine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you involved in agriculture doghunter

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By *indenMan
over a year ago

Naas which is South West of Dublin

I’ve heard Boris Johnson proclaim himself to be “The spirit of COP 26”, God help us all….

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By *asual777Man
over a year ago

i travel all over

The main greenhouse gases — carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide — again reached record high levels, with methane increasing at a record pace (and this is agriculture related).

The rate of sea level rise has doubled since 1993, and the past two-and-a-half years alone account for 10 percent in the overall rise since observers began satellite measurements nearly three decades ago.

“We must answer the planet’s distress signal with action, ambitious, credible climate action,” Guterres said.

This has taken an exceptionally heavy toll on European Alps glaciers. The Greenland ice sheet lost mass for the 26th consecutive year, and it rained rather than snowed there for the first time in September.

It’s already too late for many glaciers and the melting will continue for hundreds if not thousands of years, with major implications for water security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the cows stopped farting in the fields the methane problem solved

In coming vegetarian rants next lol

It's the blind leading the blind on global warming and tackling it ....recent reports and studies say that any plan on paper currently from any country is not a workable solution .and will not change anything ..they're throwing money at countries most impacted ...nothing new sounds great on paper and media... political maneuvering is what it is ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes unfortunately just another lip services excercise.

Most of the measures so far are cosmetics and handed down to individuals while whole industry sectors are still steaming ahead with no or very little change/responsibility.

It would need a worldwide revolution to turn this around. "

Precisely, there's no turning it around ,maybe possible to slow it down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Money will win not the planet ..

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford


"As long as the wealthy power nations continue to dictate and play by their own rules then nothing changes. What annoys me is that the poor farmer is blamed in Ireland and made reduce their stocking whilst China churn out massive pollution and nothing happens to them. We have targeted the easiest and ignored the guilty.

Ahhh the poor subsidised cattle farmers! If only the government would start subsidising sustainable farming...

Cattle farming is one of the worst culprit, plus a serious water polluter on top of it. Certainly needs to be addressed and pointing at others has never done anything and is a cheap excuse..

I think u will find that it's the burning of oil and not the growing of grassi that is causing the problem ...

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Out of all the crops we harvest in the world 62% goes to animal feel and I think 11% to making oil.

Cattle and cows are the second biggest problem on the planet. 2 components come in first ... denial and greed.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford

That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is needed"

Just in this country, or farmers worldwide?

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is needed

Just in this country, or farmers worldwide?

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Lol do you really think we far that much livestock... in the world... our practices are amoung the better in the western world ,,, however they are still devastating the planet.

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By *itemeagainMan
over a year ago

Wexford


"Yes unfortunately just another lip services excercise.

Most of the measures so far are cosmetics and handed down to individuals while whole industry sectors are still steaming ahead with no or very little change/responsibility.

It would need a worldwide revolution to turn this around.

Precisely, there's no turning it around ,maybe possible to slow it down "

If it dosnt happen we lose our ability as a species to regain and even retain compassion and empathy.

Billions of all species including ours will die and if they die . This is unlikely stopable . However if they die because we gave up then we no longer are humane thus are no longer human .

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By *ubal1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Humankind, as a species of primates, is too selfish, self-interested and myopic (short-sighted) to tackle these problems which do threaten the existence of our species and most others too.

Cop-27 is an idealist, naive and theoretically well-intentioned project, but is doomed to failure.

The sacrifices required to solve or even mitigate climate change are simply too great for technocrats and industrialist elites to countenance; they want to have their cake and eat it!

Those who are really going to pay the price for this myopic hedonistic greed is the poor and marginalised nations: Bangladesh,low lying islands, marginal areas of Africa that are subject to desertification

I have personally made very profound changes to my living conditions to cut my carbon foorprint, which few other people would even contemplate, never mind actually enact!

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By *im tim timMan
over a year ago

c

michael martin is going to fix the global warming and is going to get the rest of the world to do as he says..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"michael martin is going to fix the global warming and is going to get the rest of the world to do as he says.. "

I'd say there was a bit of headscratching among the delegates when he told them the weather has been fierce mild in Ireland lately

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By *s LollyWoman
over a year ago

The pub then supermacs ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

photo op o looked me hand wanking bunch of bolloxes one can only hope karma catches up with them

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By *r x mrs rampantCouple
over a year ago

Mayo


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is needed"
the amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is neededthe amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming "

Sorry but can you clarify for me. They did all these calculations and decided to emmit all contributions made from farming related production and consumption???

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is neededthe amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming "

none So farmers don't use any machinery that needs diesel?

Anyhow while the farming carbon footprint might not be that high it's the other greenhouse gases that also drive climate change namely methane and nitrous oxide coming from cattle farming that have an enormous impact.

Currently 37% of all the greenhouse gases emitted in Ireland are coming from the agriculture sector. Over a third, surely that's not neglectable!!!

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By *r x mrs rampantCouple
over a year ago

Mayo


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is neededthe amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming

none So farmers don't use any machinery that needs diesel?

Anyhow while the farming carbon footprint might not be that high it's the other greenhouse gases that also drive climate change namely methane and nitrous oxide coming from cattle farming that have an enormous impact.

Currently 37% of all the greenhouse gases emitted in Ireland are coming from the agriculture sector. Over a third, surely that's not neglectable!!!"
out of that 37 % how much is actually from farming. Small business that don't come under the emissions trading are included in the agri sector

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By *r x mrs rampantCouple
over a year ago

Mayo


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is neededthe amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming

Sorry but can you clarify for me. They did all these calculations and decided to emmit all contributions made from farming related production and consumption???"
I'd say the farming was still in the 11 tonne the extra 6 must be from the tiger

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By *an I Kiss youMan
over a year ago

Manchester City Centre

Oh gosh, this got depressing so quickly.

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On a positive note, looking at the photos of Sharm El Sheikh, the red sea looks amazing, doesn't it ?

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By *ubal1 OP   Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Sharm is an exceptionally attractive resort, but to make the maximum impact on decision-makers and others such as the technocrats, it should have been held in a country that will be devastated by climate change such as Bangladesh, or the Andaman & Nicobar Islands in the Indian Ocean that are suffering from sea level rise impact right now.

This conference should not have been a junket to a five star resort for the politicians, but a shock tactic for us all.

This is really serious!

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By *moothride530Man
over a year ago

Dubljn / kildare

Who said it’s the worst culprit sure it has being proven the figures they published were false , the Irish cattle are the most sustainable in the world along with Uk !

The carbon they emit is taken in by the green grass and when they eat it it’s returned as a cycle , it’s being sequestered into a cycle !

The alternative is import beef from millions of miles across the world where it’s not being sequestered where they consume high concentrated meal in feedlots !

The Irish practice has been going on since the Stone Age

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By *moothride530Man
over a year ago

Dubljn / kildare

Well if they had any sense and wanted to change the methane they could build hundreds of digester plants like the rest of Europe and Uk but then they’d loose out on millions on esb bills ! It won’t happen in hurry because all they do is talk shite literally! Any digesters that went for planning got refused outright !

Digesters would take the cattle slurry and convert it to energy but as I said they’d loose out very same as they won’t ban cigarettes because of the tax they bring in !

Cop 27 is a money racket end of but most of ordinary folk are brainwashed into thinking the cow is the problem while multinationals are building power hungry data centers

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By *ockin nice guyMan
over a year ago

wexford

I don’t know a lot about farming but I do know that the powers that be can tell you what they want to tell you … world population in 1980 was 4.5 billion , 40 years later today its 7.8 billion , they have to be fed … so surely we need a conversation on going forward on how to feed 10 billion people sustainably , if we cut without thought and a plan , this won’t work

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By *ete2022Man
over a year ago

inish


"How much of a carbon footage is going to be left with all these world leaders flying to Egypt?

Surely in this day and age they could have this conference remotely over the internet. Their goverments would have secure encrypted networks to prevent hacking.

Oh wait a nice little holiday at tax payers expense"

We’re currently experiencing climatic conditions from emissions pumped into the atmosphere decades ago, the interim period has seen emissions double. Basically things are going to get very messy, a blue ocean event aka ice free arctic will disrupt industrial agriculture in the northern hemisphere, this is predicted to occur within the decade. I don’t want to type any more doom it’s too depressing and completely out of our control.

Also cop27 being sponsored by , the worlds largest plastic polluter says it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May , best month ever for deforestation in the Amazon basin

It takes 320 litres of water to grow an avocado .

If we stopped using oil today, maybe, and I'm being very optimistic, in 50 years time you might see a benefit.

Who the fuck is going to do that ?

It's ok though Elon is taking us to another planet to fuck up

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"That dosnt include the devastation of entire countries (including this one ffs) dosnt include the pollutants caused by manufacturing distributing and using fertilizers. Etc etc etc

The sad thing is farmers could single handily shift the dynamics of the game but most are too ignorant,scared or selfish to do so in a way and at a rate that is neededthe amount of carbon emitted by capita is 11 tonnes but during the great boom years in Ireland of the celtic tiger it rose to 17 tonnes per person. None of that had anything to do with farming

none So farmers don't use any machinery that needs diesel?

Anyhow while the farming carbon footprint might not be that high it's the other greenhouse gases that also drive climate change namely methane and nitrous oxide coming from cattle farming that have an enormous impact.

Currently 37% of all the greenhouse gases emitted in Ireland are coming from the agriculture sector. Over a third, surely that's not neglectable!!!out of that 37 % how much is actually from farming. Small business that don't come under the emissions trading are included in the agri sector "

2/3 respectively 68% according to Teagasc. The other 30+% emissions (nitrous oxide) comes from nitrogen fertilisers. There's no way of talking yourself out of those figures. Anyhow but there's ways to reduce that footprint without abandoning livestock farming altogether.

On a different note, do you know that Ireland has the lowest % of organic farming in Europe after Malta? I believe with the mild climate, decent soils and our fair share of rain we should be at the top and not at the bottom.

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By *izzleJMan
over a year ago

City


"Who said it’s the worst culprit sure it has being proven the figures they published were false , the Irish cattle are the most sustainable in the world along with Uk !

The carbon they emit is taken in by the green grass and when they eat it it’s returned as a cycle , it’s being sequestered into a cycle !

The alternative is import beef from millions of miles across the world where it’s not being sequestered where they consume high concentrated meal in feedlots !

The Irish practice has been going on since the Stone Age "

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but pretty much everything you've said is wrong.

Why would we need to import beef from across the world when most of the food we produce is exported. Much of our exported beef is sold as a luxury item around the world and much of the food we consume has to be imported so a model shift is what's needed.

We currently import animal feed from across the world to feed our life stock with a huge carbon footprint and contributing to deforestation which I doubt was happening during the stone age

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"Who said it’s the worst culprit sure it has being proven the figures they published were false , the Irish cattle are the most sustainable in the world along with Uk !

The carbon they emit is taken in by the green grass and when they eat it it’s returned as a cycle , it’s being sequestered into a cycle !

The alternative is import beef from millions of miles across the world where it’s not being sequestered where they consume high concentrated meal in feedlots !

The Irish practice has been going on since the Stone Age

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but pretty much everything you've said is wrong.

Why would we need to import beef from across the world when most of the food we produce is exported. Much of our exported beef is sold as a luxury item around the world and much of the food we consume has to be imported so a model shift is what's needed.

We currently import animal feed from across the world to feed our life stock with a huge carbon footprint and contributing to deforestation which I doubt was happening during the stone age"

As far as I'm aware, the figures for CO2 production by farms are based on a simple headage/acreage count and do not allow for any mitigations.

I'm basing this on a Web article I read some time ago, posted by a farmer in Tipperary. He planted something like 15ha of forestry on his land but then discovered that his calculated emissions hadn't reduced at all. He owned other hillside land that was left wild and that also wasn't factored in. I may be conflating a couple of different accounts there but the point stands.

On the beef exports. We export a lot of beef into Europe. Currently the Brazilian government are facilitating the destruction of the Amazon rainforest in order to up their beef production for shipping into the EU, to take up the slack caused by European countries reducing production to cut carbon emissions.

It is an utterly fucked up situation. The Amazon rainforest is responsible for the production of a huge proportion of the world's oxygen yet were encouraging its destruction, while adding thousands of air miles onto each steak that comes from Brazil.

It's not the most joined up of thinking but at least Brazil will have more Mercedes cars. That seems to be the only gain for anyone in this mess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the news today dublin airport was the biggest emitter of green house gas in the country followed by irish cement drogheda factory.

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