FabSwingers.com forum: Co Kerry Priest at mass

By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

My background.....had my baptism revoked and a letter from the head man to say I'm no longer a catholic.

A lot of backlash over the comments made by a priest in Listowel on Sunday during mass

Now I don't agree with anything he said and I don't intend to repeat what he said but isn't he quoting the rules of the Catholic church in the first place

Isn't it better to stay away from the club if you don't agree with the rules

Why don't these people who are on the radio since yesterday and today leave the club

What future has the church in Ireland got with all the old men in charge

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By *affa31Woman
over a year ago

Galway

They’ve taken away the ability to remove yourself from the baptismal register unfortunately.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

As the Titanic, that is the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, has been holed below the waterline by the child abuse, mother and daughter, and Magdalene scandals; and is sinking into oblivion, some of the crew (priests) have started to lose their minds and incoherently rant on issues that are beyond their understanding

: LGBT issues, etc.

This Kerry priest invokes in me an intense feeling of schadenfreude (delight at the misfortune of others) at his bizarre and outdated beliefs.

They are a laughing stock; the vast majority of Irish people saw them for what they are over the past three decades.

One more ignorant fool, ranting from his pulpit, seals the fate of this sinking ship!

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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

"They’ve taken away the ability to remove yourself from the baptismal register unfortunately."

Got in just before they stopped it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately to get your kids into some schools have to attend Mass etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If an organisation cannot change or adapt its rules it will soon die. The GAA is an example where rules change as the game developed. The church is loosing out because it has not the ability to adapt. The priest is just an old relic and retired so not worth the media attention tbh but I’m sure he managed to loose a few more church goers.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

"Unfortunately to get your kids into some schools have to attend Mass etc "

They still have a massive hold on primary and secondary education in Ireland, a legacy of their relationship with the political parties after the civil war, and the foundation of the state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh I walk my path to my own code and have no desire to ally myself to a tribe in that way.

Any hierarchical system or organisation will bring avarice, corruption, war, conflict, hate and rot from the inside out.

Doesn't matter if it's based on religion, politics or business.

Human nature is designed to ensure survival by the 'survival of the fittest' and whilst many rub along happily there will always be folk who are eager to step on your head to get ahead, and they will.

So I pay these things little mind and try to raise my kids to be the best versions of themselves as they can be. They are our future after all.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Gotta agree. The things this priest was talking about are fundamental to the views of the church. He didn't say anything the church doesn't wholeheartedly agree with. He did nothing wrong. If you don't agree with them them you have no place in the church. You either subscribe to their particular brand of outdated hate, or you choose to seperate from it.

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

Ballsbridge, City Centre

The priest was just spouting the rules which haven’t changed in 100s of years

How anyone can be shocked or offended by it beggars belief, it’s been there in plain sight

I don’t agree with it so I don’t go to mass, simple

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I didn't hear what he said but if the Bishop apologised for what he said it at least shows that some within the church know how outdated the doctrine is.

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I don't know what has been said this is the first I have heard about it. I think the church will always have following some more devote than others. Some priests, and deans etc will have put dated views and will still try to rule by laying down the law and some people will follow it.It is not just the Catholic church that does that .

I don't follow any religion I gave up on it when I was in school many years ago. I got fed up of someone who was so removed from reality preaching to me about how I should live my life.Yet he didn't follow the same rules himself. And I've never looked back since.

In saying that though I've seen how peoples faith can help them through the toughest times. I've seen people dying who seem to find peace when passages of the Bible are read to them in their final hours.

So while I don't follow religion and I think some of the main people in them are the biggest hypocrites I also would not knock anyone who does and finds peace in it.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I have no idea what he said but...

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING!

What did he say? I presume something to do with "morality"?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

The priest seems to have stated that homosexual sex and transgenderism are sinful, and that condoms promote promiscuity. It's nothing the pope himself hasn't said. I've no idea why the Bishop is apologising. Does he not agree with the pope who is god's representative on earth. The Bishop shouldnt be apologising unless he is leaving the religion himself. He can't pretend these aren't the views in the organisation from the top to the bottom. Just because you have horrible beliefs but don't state them palinly doesn't mean that you need to apologise for someone with the same opinions but speaks openly about it. There IS NO nice Catholic priest. They ALL believe this stuff. Otherwise they wouldn't be Catholic priests. Some are just more cagey about stating the hate that underlies it all than others.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"The priest seems to have stated that homosexual sex and transgenderism are sinful, and that condoms promote promiscuity. It's nothing the pope himself hasn't said. I've no idea why the Bishop is apologising. Does he not agree with the pope who is god's representative on earth. The Bishop shouldnt be apologising unless he is leaving the religion himself. He can't pretend these aren't the views in the organisation from the top to the bottom. Just because you have horrible beliefs but don't state them palinly doesn't mean that you need to apologise for someone with the same opinions but speaks openly about it. There IS NO nice Catholic priest. They ALL believe this stuff. Otherwise they wouldn't be Catholic priests. Some are just more cagey about stating the hate that underlies it all than others. "

To a certain extent... I think though that churches are full of people who really don't believe much of what they're being told. I also think they'd a fair sprinkling of the clergy who don't believe what they're spouting. Kerry had a bishop who had a relationship with a woman and fathered a child with her while he was preaching about how wrong sex outside marriage was so he clearly didn't believe what he was preaching.

I'm not sure it means that none of them can be nice people though? Hypocrites, yes, without doubt. I'm fairly sure some hypocrites can still be nice people though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Silly really priest has nothing to apologise for, Catholicism and every other major organised religion states that homosexuality is a sin, its not today nor yesterday we found out that, people seem to want religion to change but that's not how it works, why change it now after thousands of years?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Silly really priest has nothing to apologise for, Catholicism and every other major organised religion states that homosexuality is a sin, its not today nor yesterday we found out that, people seem to want religion to change but that's not how it works, why change it now after thousands of years? "

To be fair, religion does change and has changed dramatically over the centuries. Priests used to be allowed marry, for example. Sl@very wasn't seen as wrong, the death penalty was a perfectly moral punishment and the sun revolved around the earth. Mass also could only ever be said in Latin. All those things have changed dramatically over the years.

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By *ollypop9Woman
over a year ago

wouldn't you like to know

This was the change they recently made to school enrolment.

Now someone tell me how that makes sense. Seen it with my own eyes, people without baptism cert at secondary school enrolment were send away....

Citizen information:

Primary schools cannot use religion as a basis for admission and cannot prioritise students based on their religious beliefs. However, there are some exceptions to this:

A school that provides religious instruction or education in a minority religion can prioritise a student of that religion who is looking for admission to a school that provides religious instruction or education consistent with, or similar to, their religious beliefs

A school that aims to promote certain religious values can refuse to admit a student who is not of that religious denomination if it can prove that the refusal is essential to maintain the ethos of the school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This was the change they recently made to school enrolment.

Now someone tell me how that makes sense. Seen it with my own eyes, people without baptism cert at secondary school enrolment were send away....

Citizen information:

Primary schools cannot use religion as a basis for admission and cannot prioritise students based on their religious beliefs. However, there are some exceptions to this:

A lot of the schools were run by the nuns and priests, thankfully its moving away from that but it's taking time.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

"They’ve taken away the ability to remove yourself from the baptismal register unfortunately."

Just get yourself excommunicated

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By *ylonsLuvaDan69Man
over a year ago

Mallow

The Priest was right to say what he said it's a Catholic service after all. Those hysterically walking out need to look up Roman Catholicism as it's rules are explicit and obvious. Maybe they should refrain from further attendance and let Catholics be Catholic in a Catholic church.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"The Priest was right to say what he said it's a Catholic service after all. Those hysterically walking out need to look up Roman Catholicism as it's rules are explicit and obvious. Maybe they should refrain from further attendance and let Catholics be Catholic in a Catholic church. "

These people who walked out should never go back to the church and never give them 1 cent more of their money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ridiculous how the Bishop had to apologise to shitehawks on twitter, sign of the Times how every idiots opinion is aired for the world to see on twitter..

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

It's ridiculous that religions don't pay any taxes. Think of all the money we could take in if they had to pay property tax alone

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By *affa31Woman
over a year ago

Galway

"They’ve taken away the ability to remove yourself from the baptismal register unfortunately.

Just get yourself excommunicated "

I’ve been trying for a long time…they keep ignoring me

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's ridiculous that religions don't pay any taxes. Think of all the money we could take in if they had to pay property tax alone "

Of we can't even get the banks to pay taxes, we're not going to manage it with these lads either!

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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

"It's ridiculous that religions don't pay any taxes. Think of all the money we could take in if they had to pay property tax alone

Of we can't even get the banks to pay taxes, we're not going to manage it with these lads either! "

Be good if they'd pay the money they owe us towards redress after the crooked deal they did with a member of opus die in government at the time

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over a year ago

"It's ridiculous that religions don't pay any taxes. Think of all the money we could take in if they had to pay property tax alone

Of we can't even get the banks to pay taxes, we're not going to manage it with these lads either!

Be good if they'd pay the money they owe us towards redress after the crooked deal they did with a member of opus die in government at the time "

I'd love to see the money the homes made on sl ave labour, child labour and selling children for adoption.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's ridiculous that religions don't pay any taxes. Think of all the money we could take in if they had to pay property tax alone

Of we can't even get the banks to pay taxes, we're not going to manage it with these lads either!

Be good if they'd pay the money they owe us towards redress after the crooked deal they did with a member of opus die in government at the time "

It would, but it we don't have the balls to either take it from them or hound them for it then we're never going to get it.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

I haven't been inside a church in decades and what the clergy says, in any context, means nothing to me; but the eldest people in society, who grew up when the church's views were sacrosanct, still hold what clergy say in awe and usually also strongly believe in a God.

The Bible and other texts mean a lot to that group and they derive comfort from them and adhere yo this dogma.

Mercifully those days are fading fast and people now live their lives by their own moral standards and not the hypocrisy and fantasies that were invented and imposed by others.

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By *acmullyCouple
over a year ago

in the land of diet coke and club orange

Fair enough he said that crap but shouldn't have said it at an anniversary mass for someone. He now been banned from saying mass. And to be honest just cause it was in the bible doesn't make it right. Lots of people who are gay etc still belive in god and religion. Not defending the priest as he my local priest but serves him right from nit able to say mass anymore .

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

"Fair enough he said that crap but shouldn't have said it at an anniversary mass for someone. He now been banned from saying mass. And to be honest just cause it was in the bible doesn't make it right. Lots of people who are gay etc still belive in god and religion. Not defending the priest as he my local priest but serves him right from nit able to say mass anymore . "

He was on RTE's Liveline today, with Joe Duffy, and he sounded like a dinosaur from the distant past; who tied himself in knots.

The more intelligent upper echelons probably realise their formerly packed seminaries, in Maynooth and elsewhere, turned out these dogmatic idiots by the score, and sometimes their outdated views are exposed in the mass media.

He will probably be sent into retirement in order to isolate him and protect the wider church from further ridicule.

The religious orders and institutions should be forced to pay what was originally agreed to the redress boards; failure to pursue them is a scandal that does not get enough media exposure. The orders spent a fortune on the best lawyers, here and abroad to protect their land banks and bulging cash reserves.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I haven't been inside a church in decades and what the clergy says, in any context, means nothing to me; but the eldest people in society, who grew up when the church's views were sacrosanct, still hold what clergy say in awe and usually also strongly believe in a God.

The Bible and other texts mean a lot to that group and they derive comfort from them and adhere yo this dogma.

Mercifully those days are fading fast and people now live their lives by their own moral standards and not the hypocrisy and fantasies that were invented and imposed by others.

There's some comedy gold in the bible to be fair.

"Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."

You wouldn't even get talk like that on fab!

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By *orkshireDrifterMan
over a year ago

Nafferton, nr Driffield.

The church teaches that all sexual activity of marriage and not towards the possible conception of children is sinful.

In effect that includes sexual activity between men. Being homosexual is not itself deemed a sin, only it's practice.

That most Catholics depart from the Churches teaching on a range of matters but continue to believe at core that they can be a part of that religion.

I stopped taking go communion at 14 as I could not reconcile the teaching,my sexual activity and receiving absolution with no intention of ceasing my personal practices. Most of my contempories had no such scruples.

I now describe myself as an agnostic Catholic, avoid the Sacraments and continue my sec like as always.

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

Tbh I have more respect for those who stayed in their seats. What did those who walked out expect? That is the churches teaching.

At the end of the day, people only go to mass to save their own souls from the 'fires of hell' and they don't really question the teachings.

Maybe it was a wake-up call to some of them. Don't know and certainly don't care.

Mrs.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Listowel seems like a mad place.

Actually have no issue with what he had to say.

However

Hes the scumbag who picked up for that rapist back in 2009. Should go to hell for that alone.

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By *ind PaddyMan
over a year ago

South County Dublin

"Tbh I walk my path to my own code and have no desire to ally myself to a tribe in that way.

Any hierarchical system or organisation will bring avarice, corruption, war, conflict, hate and rot from the inside out.

Doesn't matter if it's based on religion, politics or business.

So I pay these things little mind and try to raise my kids to be the best versions of themselves as they can be. They are our future after all."

Well said

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

The church teaches that all sexual activity of marriage and not towards the possible conception of children is sinful.

In effect that includes sexual activity between men. Being homosexual is not itself deemed a sin, only it's practice.

That most Catholics depart from the Churches teaching on a range of matters but continue to believe at core that they can be a part of that religion.

I now describe myself as an agnostic Catholic, avoid the Sacraments and continue my sec like as always.

I don't understand why someone who didn't believe in the teachings of the church chooses to attend church.

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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

"Listowel seems like a mad place.

Actually have no issue with what he had to say.

However

Hes the scumbag who picked up for that rapist back in 2009. Should go to hell for that alone."

Absolutely and gave him a hug after he was found guilty...Then questioned the morals of his victim

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By *olouWoman
over a year ago

Swords

The only thing religion does is cause wars.That lad sounds like something from the 80s.However I don't practice and generally don't give the church a second thought these days,happy in my own little bubble of love and fun

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

The church teaches that all sexual activity of marriage and not towards the possible conception of children is sinful.

In effect that includes sexual activity between men. Being homosexual is not itself deemed a sin, only it's practice.

That most Catholics depart from the Churches teaching on a range of matters but continue to believe at core that they can be a part of that religion.

I now describe myself as an agnostic Catholic, avoid the Sacraments and continue my sec like as always.

I don't understand why someone who didn't believe in the teachings of the church chooses to attend church."

Ever see the cars parked outside church on a Sunday?

It’s a fine old boys club for those in the know

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"Listowel seems like a mad place.

Actually have no issue with what he had to say.

However

Hes the scumbag who picked up for that rapist back in 2009. Should go to hell for that alone.

Absolutely and gave him a hug after he was found guilty...Then questioned the morals of his victim "

The whole character reference thing for court cases should be scrapped.

Remember the time Mick Galwey and other people in the public eye wrote references for that rugby player who killed a 16 year old boy on the road while over the limit? Very upsetting for the family I'm sure.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Listowel seems like a mad place.

Actually have no issue with what he had to say.

However

Hes the scumbag who picked up for that rapist back in 2009. Should go to hell for that alone.

Absolutely and gave him a hug after he was found guilty...Then questioned the morals of his victim

The whole character reference thing for court cases should be scrapped.

Completely. Same with I think the Tyrone

Manager gave one for some fiend up there.

Wtf

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

From personal observation, I can tell you that the judiciary invariably disregard so-called character references; what is given weight are the victim impact statements of those directly impacted by the defendant's crime.

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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

"From personal observation, I can tell you that the judiciary invariably disregard so-called character references; what is given weight are the victim impact statements of those directly impacted by the defendant's crime."

If they disregard the character references why do so many people found guilty of a crime try to introduce them in court .....

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

If they disregard the character references why do so many people found guilty of a crime try to introduce them in court ....."

There is a pervasive mistaken belief in Irish society that if a prominent or eminent person from your local community gives a character reference it will somehow reduce the sentence of the convicted person; these referenced are treated disparagingly by the judiciary.

The character references that are most disregarded are those from community workers who are members of paramilitary organisations or closely associated with them.

They count for nothing.

Victim impact statements are taken VERY seriously and affect the sentence; they indicate the amount of harm that the crime has caused to the victim and their family.

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By *ub_leitrim_guyMan
over a year ago

Out in the sticks

Well it is supposed to be a Universal Church.... but has different rules for different Countries!

My goodness you should see what goes on in Philippines... no sex education at home or at school, age of Consent is 12, no contraception, etc.

Mothers aged 12 and 13 sleeping alone, homeless, jobless, abandoned.... all because of Catholic Church rules!

The same R.C. Church.

I didn't hear what this Priest said...

Society here in Philippines is ***ked anyway....and a lot of similar stuff went on in Ireland!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Listowel seems like a mad place.

Actually have no issue with what he had to say.

However

Hes the scumbag who picked up for that rapist back in 2009. Should go to hell for that alone."

Quite a few fab members in Listowel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All Religions are cults and produce cultures of brain washed god fearing zombie's to get to the next life ....its manipulation and distortion at its best ..a good enough story and narative will be believed by humans beings children espically when forming core beliefs in our natural development.....

Baptism to clense sin of an innocent child and the immaculate conception fucking hell.

..Harry Potter is on a par with these stories as people que for the hogarth train believing the door is in the bricks

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By *og-Man OP Man
over a year ago

somewhere

"All Religions are cults and produce cultures of brain washed god fearing zombie's to get to the next life ....its manipulation and distortion at its best ..a good enough story and narative will be believed by humans beings children espically when forming core beliefs in our natural development.....

Baptism to clense sin of an innocent child and the immaculate conception fucking hell.

..Harry Potter is on a par with these stories as people que for the hogarth train believing the door is in the bricks

Know someone on here called Harry Potter cause his mickey is 9 3/4 inches long

If you know you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If an organisation cannot change or adapt its rules it will soon die. The GAA is an example where rules change as the game developed. The church is loosing out because it has not the ability to adapt. The priest is just an old relic and retired so not worth the media attention tbh but I’m sure he managed to loose a few more church goers. "

Or he gained a few more!!

I don't agree with what was said, but all he was doing was echoing the teachings of the church. You or I have no right yo question his beliefs as they are his, we just get on with our own lives and carry on

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The catholic church will not rapidly fade away for several reasons: as a worldwide corporate body it has vast financial resources, including a massive landbank here in Ireland and elsewhere; it successfully infiltrated the education system and also the medical and healthcare systems; it ingratiated itself with political parties and other cultural bodies; but most importantly of all, you should never downplay people's stupidity and gullibility to accept the fantastic nonsense that priests, nuns, brothers, et al, pedalled to the population, such as sin, confessionals, heaven and hell, purgatory, limbo, rising from the dead after three days, miracles.

All total BS!

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Or he gained a few more!!

My exact thoughts. Hes only preaching his beliefs even if they are backwards(putting it lightly). Its the people shocked by them I have more of an issue with. This is not a new thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure it's as simple as if you don't agree with all of thr historic, hateful and outdated rules and beliefs of the church you should jusy abandon it.

These people have been born and raised into it as alot of us were. Now some of us moved away from ot for various reasons but our thr ones who truly believe in the god that is portrayed week on week out before becoming aware of the injustices and other beliefs that shit gets ingrained in some.

So they still belive in the idea and the god but not every part of the church. Its hard to tear yourself away from that I imagine.

They may also seen signs of a change in attitude from thr Church and be holding out for a more inclusive religion.

The last thing is if these decent people had not been there. Recorded it, walked out and spoken up then the hate speech would have gone unchallenged. So instead of calling them idiots and hypocrites to be honest I think it's fantastic they got up and walked out

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By *ezoMan
over a year ago

The Kingdom

"I'm not sure it's as simple as if you don't agree with all of thr historic, hateful and outdated rules and beliefs of the church you should jusy abandon it.

So they still belive in the idea and the god but not every part of the church. Its hard to tear yourself away from that I imagine.

They may also seen signs of a change in attitude from thr Church and be holding out for a more inclusive religion.

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By *oadrunner2000Man
over a year ago

city centre

I really can't imagine why anyone would want be part such a twisted organisation full of hatred and lies and downright batshit crazy beliefs.

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

"I really can't imagine why anyone would want be part such a twisted organisation full of hatred and lies and downright batshit crazy beliefs."

My thinking on this is very simple ... People fear death and what may come after it. Believing that there is a pathway to everlasting life (in heaven) gives them comfort. So if that pathway involves going to mass and everything else that the church says you must do, then they will do it without question.

It's more about fear than anything.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

There was a jaw-dropping letter in Saturday's Irish Times from a priest in America, that lambasted the lily-livered letter from Father Sheehy's bishop which apologised for his two sermons in Kerry.

Father Sheehy had spent over 25 years in the USA.

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