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"It's shocking!! Senator Cortez is coming for them " When push comes to shove, she's all talk and no action. The Dems as a whole have been absolutely useless since the day Obama walked into office right up to this moment. They've sleep walked into this, should have been codified over a decade ago! | |||
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"The US is going backwards instead of forwards in so many ways. Its mind boggling" so true and abs many parts of the world are following too  | |||
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"Mostly old farts On the bench until.they pop their cloggs...Its a crazy country " The 3 trump appointed are 50,54 and 57 It’s like the old fantasy that tory voters will Pass on and younger voters will vote Labour but actually tory voters raise younger tory voters | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. " A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. " This exactly. No one’s body should be used against their will and that includes forced pregnancy. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. " see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. | |||
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"I disagree... I feel it really is as simple as that. Cumming in a girl doesn't give a guy the right to dictate what happens to her body over the next 9 months, and her life for the following 18 years." the flip side of that is, a lot of the problems of unwanted pregnancies is carelessness in the use of contraception. I’m not saying it’s always the case but in some, it most deffo is. I’d love to see how many men/women in unwanted pregnancies have sex without any contraceptive at all. We all know one of the risks run in unprotected sex. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards." I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this " So if a woman is unable to take an oral contraceptive or chooses not to use hormonal contraceptives or the coil etc and a condom fails she should suck it up and have a forced pregnancy? Hard pass thanks. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this So if a woman is unable to take an oral contraceptive or chooses not to use hormonal contraceptives or the coil etc and a condom fails she should suck it up and have a forced pregnancy? Hard pass thanks. " there is plenty of contraceptive formats on the market to suit everyone and we all know as I said one of the risks or unprotected sex. If a man has to use a contraceptive so should the woman but as I said that’s going away from things. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this " In an ideal world yes both would discuss and come to a consensus. But that's not always going to happen so logically apart from anything else the choice needs to rest with the person who will be going through the pregnancy. And I personally don't want to live in a country that forces people to go abroad to have and abortion done safely | |||
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"Who is taking what contraceptive, or no contraceptive, and what failed or didn't fail makes absolutely zero difference to his rights over her uterus. I know its a divisive subject. I hope you never have to go through the pain of dealing with an abortion as I know it has big ramifications for both mum and dad. The choice is always hers though. It HAS to be. Noone can make this decision about what happens to a woman's body but herself." Tell that to the American suprime court twats | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this " A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus | |||
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"I disagree... I feel it really is as simple as that. Cumming in a girl doesn't give a guy the right to dictate what happens to her body over the next 9 months, and her life for the following 18 years.the flip side of that is, a lot of the problems of unwanted pregnancies is carelessness in the use of contraception. I’m not saying it’s always the case but in some, it most deffo is. I’d love to see how many men/women in unwanted pregnancies have sex without any contraceptive at all. We all know one of the risks run in unprotected sex. " I can’t see why it matters. That’s a blame game in which there are only losers. If men had to face equal responsibility after a failure in contraception, abortion would be a sacrament. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus " I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this So if a woman is unable to take an oral contraceptive or chooses not to use hormonal contraceptives or the coil etc and a condom fails she should suck it up and have a forced pregnancy? Hard pass thanks. there is plenty of contraceptive formats on the market to suit everyone and we all know as I said one of the risks or unprotected sex. If a man has to use a contraceptive so should the woman but as I said that’s going away from things. " You can’t exactly equate a man putting on a condom with a woman having to put additional hormones in her body or have a coil inserted. I mean, I could use a female condom (95% effective compared to 98% effective male condom) but I’ve just amused myself at the thoughts of “I don’t like how condoms feel” whingers being told they have to wrap up and then inserted said wrapped dick into another latex sheath. From my perspective, a man has a choice. Either use a condom when having sex with me or find someone else to fuck. If an accident occurs while we were having what we thought to be protected sex, I will make the decision as to what happens to my body. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. " Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. " Not that it matters , a study in Canada showed ‘ While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994’. I know nothing about the quality of those relationships, the physical and mental health of the women , their financial status , and their other carer roles . And being a random bloke in another country , it’s only right that I don’t as what I think of their decision is immaterial | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. " because been in a serious secure relationship, I’d imagine one of the very topics is if kids are wanted or not. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. " Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missus | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?" no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missus" im not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. " But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choice | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. " No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to. | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choice" if she doesn’t want kids and he does there probably shouldn’t be a relationship in the first place. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to." but can she insist on maintenance? | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choiceif she doesn’t want kids and he does there probably shouldn’t be a relationship in the first place." Agreed... but relationship status and his desire for a child doesn't alter whose choice it is. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to.but can she insist on maintenance?" God so simple when you put it like that I must try that with my kids Dad and "insist" he pays all those years of maintenance. | |||
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"I disagree... I feel it really is as simple as that. Cumming in a girl doesn't give a guy the right to dictate what happens to her body over the next 9 months, and her life for the following 18 years." What if its a case of two consenting loving adults agree to convince a child , or even agree to take an approach to sex which knowingly allows for this ,, then one decides to change their mind after conception? | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus " I would hazard a guess that the people who make such rules care for unborn lives more that control over female reproductive organs . | |||
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"I disagree... I feel it really is as simple as that. Cumming in a girl doesn't give a guy the right to dictate what happens to her body over the next 9 months, and her life for the following 18 years.the flip side of that is, a lot of the problems of unwanted pregnancies is carelessness in the use of contraception. I’m not saying it’s always the case but in some, it most deffo is. I’d love to see how many men/women in unwanted pregnancies have sex without any contraceptive at all. We all know one of the risks run in unprotected sex. I can’t see why it matters. That’s a blame game in which there are only losers. If men had to face equal responsibility after a failure in contraception, abortion would be a sacrament. " That may be true , I doubt pro lifers would agree though | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choiceif she doesn’t want kids and he does there probably shouldn’t be a relationship in the first place. Agreed... but relationship status and his desire for a child doesn't alter whose choice it is." that’s not the point I was making. It’s there shouldn’t be a relationship if one wants kids and one doesn’t. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I would hazard a guess that the people who make such rules care for unborn lives more that control over female reproductive organs . " It’s a pity they don’t care for actual children and women as much as they claim to care for “unborn lives”. These laws are about control and nothing else. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to.but can she insist on maintenance? God so simple when you put it like that I must try that with my kids Dad and "insist" he pays all those years of maintenance. " can’t you take him 2 court? | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to." She can if their married | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I would hazard a guess that the people who make such rules care for unborn lives more that control over female reproductive organs . It’s a pity they don’t care for actual children and women as much as they claim to care for “unborn lives”. These laws are about control and nothing else. " Your making that claim and your not even in their camp ... feelings not facts . I don't know your wrong but I know that's not what they say about themselves. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I would hazard a guess that the people who make such rules care for unborn lives more that control over female reproductive organs . It’s a pity they don’t care for actual children and women as much as they claim to care for “unborn lives”. These laws are about control and nothing else. " 
All of that unborn babies have a right to life bullshit often overlooks many women's who are forced to choose between their own life and death in many situations. Be it health reasons or not seeing any other way out but a suicide.
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choiceif she doesn’t want kids and he does there probably shouldn’t be a relationship in the first place. Agreed... but relationship status and his desire for a child doesn't alter whose choice it is.that’s not the point I was making. It’s there shouldn’t be a relationship if one wants kids and one doesn’t. " Ok... so that point your making doesn't effect who has the right and responsibility to choose . | |||
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"Is it that you think a man in a relationship has a stronger ownership claim over her body that a single guy fucking a girl wouldn't?no, in a serious steady relationship I’d imagine the discussion of having kids or not is prominent. Picture the scenario of a couple getting pregnant, he’s ecstatic, she decides on an abortion as doesn’t want kids, I’d be guessing it’s a pretty big deal breaker and more then likely would be the end of said relationship. That’s why I said Ud imagine it’s a big discussion in serious steady relationships. But that doesn't change anything does it? Or should she have a baby she doesn't want in order to keep her relationship? Still her choiceif she doesn’t want kids and he does there probably shouldn’t be a relationship in the first place. Agreed... but relationship status and his desire for a child doesn't alter whose choice it is.that’s not the point I was making. It’s there shouldn’t be a relationship if one wants kids and one doesn’t. " And again, being in a relationship you probably shouldn't be in doesn't make any difference to who controls whos uterus | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I would hazard a guess that the people who make such rules care for unborn lives more that control over female reproductive organs . It’s a pity they don’t care for actual children and women as much as they claim to care for “unborn lives”. These laws are about control and nothing else.
All of that unborn babies have a right to life bullshit often overlooks many women's who are forced to choose between their own life and death in many situations. Be it health reasons or not seeing any other way out but a suicide.
Since when people care more about a clump of cells than an actual living and breathing human being who doesn't want to carry that clump of cells "Since when , jeasus a long time | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to. She can if their married You cannot make somebody want to be involved. How do you make someone turn up, do the school run, come to parents evening, take responsibility ? Depending on individual perception of responsibility. You can have many issues outlined in family court . No you can't make someone do all you have mentioned. " in family court I’m sure you can look for father to give x amount of money towards the child’s needs | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? " Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to. She can if their married You cannot make somebody want to be involved. How do you make someone turn up, do the school run, come to parents evening, take responsibility ? Depending on individual perception of responsibility. You can have many issues outlined in family court . No you can't make someone do all you have mentioned. in family court I’m sure you can look for father to give x amount of money towards the child’s needs" I think that comes in the financial arrangements in Divorce in England. My ex husband paid and for that I respect him however, once I divorced him it was like he divorced our children. They are still effected by this several years later. | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to. She can if their married You cannot make somebody want to be involved. How do you make someone turn up, do the school run, come to parents evening, take responsibility ? Depending on individual perception of responsibility. You can have many issues outlined in family court . No you can't make someone do all you have mentioned. in family court I’m sure you can look for father to give x amount of money towards the child’s needs I think that comes in the financial arrangements in Divorce in England. My ex husband paid and for that I respect him however, once I divorced him it was like he divorced our children. They are still effected by this several years later." so he paid until divorce and then stopped altogether? | |||
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"On abortion in general, would you be of the mindset, “it’s the woman’s choice, nothing to do with the man full stop’’ or how do u view if? Me personally, it differs. If the child is severely I’ll or has a debilitating condition I fully agree with the decision/conclusion of abortion. It gets tricky in the circumstances of a child conceived through consensual sex, the man would love to be a dad/wants the child but the mother doesn’t. That’s the hard bit. A woman shouldn't be forced by anyone to have a human being grow inside her that she doesn't want. It needs to be her choice. She can choose to consider the wishes of the father, or choose not to. I know that's hard for a man to hear, but it's her body that's goes through pregnancy and birth, not his. see it’s not that simple when two make a perfectly healthy child. A man makes a child with a woman, is it nothing to do with him even though he took part in conceiving? That’s the tricky part. I can see both point of views. Anyway that’s going away from the point in hand. No he cannot have the right to ensure she has the child. Just like a woman cannot make the biological father be involved if he choses not to. She can if their married You cannot make somebody want to be involved. How do you make someone turn up, do the school run, come to parents evening, take responsibility ? Depending on individual perception of responsibility. You can have many issues outlined in family court . No you can't make someone do all you have mentioned. in family court I’m sure you can look for father to give x amount of money towards the child’s needs I think that comes in the financial arrangements in Divorce in England. My ex husband paid and for that I respect him however, once I divorced him it was like he divorced our children. They are still effected by this several years later.so he paid until divorce and then stopped altogether? " After several conversations he paid 15% of his earnings, which were substantial until my last child was 18yrs old. I purposely divorced him several years after our split as I wanted him to see our youngest until they were 18. The paying was fine, him seeing them was erratic. When my youngest was 18 we had been apart about 10yrs, I finally divorced him in 2016 and, as soon as I put the papers in he stopped contact altogether with the kids. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple " There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus interesting post. Probably is many people like that. Hope you’re cancer is at bay or gone now "Getting there  | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again "can a vasectomy be overturned though? If u have one, is that you stopped having kids for good? | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again can a vasectomy be overturned though? If u have one, is that you stopped having kids for good?"That's what freezing the sperm is for - no need to overturn it! Imagine how many families would stay together too because the husbands would be free to cheat without knocking up their side pieces | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again "Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end. "Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern. | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern. "Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit . Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men "But... women ARE being told to have a medical procedure. Taking life altering hormones not to get pregnant for years and years IS a medical procedure. Funny how I mentioned in my very first post - if you even suggest for men to touch their precious gems and go through a very minor 5min procedure followed up by temporary discomfort - you're a man hating bitch who has no right to dictate to men what to do with their bodies yet it's okay for women to spend their lives on hormonal therapy with severe side effects - nobody bats an eyelid. Hypocritical much? | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
But... women ARE being told to have a medical procedure. Taking life altering hormones not to get pregnant for years and years IS a medical procedure.
Funny how I mentioned in my very first post - if you even suggest for men to touch their precious gems and go through a very minor 5min procedure followed up by temporary discomfort - you're a man hating bitch who has no right to dictate to men what to do with their bodies yet it's okay for women to spend their lives on hormonal therapy with severe side effects - nobody bats an eyelid.
Hypocritical much? "You really like to interpret things through your own negative lense don't you ! Angry much? | |||
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
But... women ARE being told to have a medical procedure. Taking life altering hormones not to get pregnant for years and years IS a medical procedure.
Funny how I mentioned in my very first post - if you even suggest for men to touch their precious gems and go through a very minor 5min procedure followed up by temporary discomfort - you're a man hating bitch who has no right to dictate to men what to do with their bodies yet it's okay for women to spend their lives on hormonal therapy with severe side effects - nobody bats an eyelid.
Hypocritical much?
You really like to interpret things through your own negative lense don't you !
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men "Not true I tar all men with the same brush. Women take the major responsibility for contraception, they cope with the consequences of this should things result in an unplanned pregnancy. Men may support but, ultimately nobody is going to doing intimate procedures to men, putting instruments up their cock, giving them hormones etc. Like I say anyone or any woman rocking the status quo is branded a man hater. I don't hate men, I hate the attitudes of some that don't want to even think about an alternative way of thinking. | |||
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Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
Not true I tar all men with the same brush. Women take the major responsibility for contraception, they cope with the consequences of this should things result in an unplanned pregnancy. Men may support but, ultimately nobody is going to doing intimate procedures to men, putting instruments up their cock, giving them hormones etc. Like I say anyone or any woman rocking the status quo is branded a man hater. I don't hate men, I hate the attitudes of some that don't want to even think about an alternative way of thinking."The use of the word "some " in this vers your previous post changes your sweeping statement to that of a more tailored one . I get you i just don't agree that one size fits all . Men shouldn't all get snipped tk facilitate women , as neither should women. What suits depends on where u are in life , your relationship status. Your health and all the above of your partner.
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Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
Not true I tar all men with the same brush. Women take the major responsibility for contraception, they cope with the consequences of this should things result in an unplanned pregnancy. Men may support but, ultimately nobody is going to doing intimate procedures to men, putting instruments up their cock, giving them hormones etc. Like I say anyone or any woman rocking the status quo is branded a man hater. I don't hate men, I hate the attitudes of some that don't want to even think about an alternative way of thinking.
The use of the word "some " in this vers your previous post changes your sweeping statement to that of a more tailored one .
I get you i just don't agree that one size fits all . Men shouldn't all get snipped tk facilitate women , as neither should women.
What suits depends on where u are in life , your relationship status. Your health and all the above of your partner.
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Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
Not true I tar all men with the same brush. Women take the major responsibility for contraception, they cope with the consequences of this should things result in an unplanned pregnancy. Men may support but, ultimately nobody is going to doing intimate procedures to men, putting instruments up their cock, giving them hormones etc. Like I say anyone or any woman rocking the status quo is branded a man hater. I don't hate men, I hate the attitudes of some that don't want to even think about an alternative way of thinking.
The use of the word "some " in this vers your previous post changes your sweeping statement to that of a more tailored one .
I get you i just don't agree that one size fits all . Men shouldn't all get snipped tk facilitate women , as neither should women.
What suits depends on where u are in life , your relationship status. Your health and all the above of your partner.
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"I don't understand how that's the flipside. A failed contraceptive doesn't mean he decides what happens in her uterus afterwards.I doubt many pregnancies occur from a man using a condom and a woman a contraceptive that suits her. I’m no scientist but I’d say the numbers are very very small in those situations. What am I saying? I’d say nearly all unwanted pregnancies occur in situations where only a condom is used or no contraceptive at all. Still that’s going away from everything. You’re saying whether a baby is kept or not has nothing to do with a man. I’d probably disagree overall but they’ll be plenty of views either way on this A lot of women can't take hormonal contraception due to severe side effects so they're left to rely on a condom or copper coil. It is insanely hard to get a copper coil put in for ones who don't have children (personal experience as well as many women's stories over the years), so they are left to literally rely on a condom alone. Stealthing is a thing and many men hate condoms with passion, so will find any excuse not to wear one while the woman is left stuck with consequences and is being called "careless". If all men would get their sperm frozen and just get a vasectomy there would be no abortion issue to begin with. But nobody has a right to touch your precious gems, do they? It's only a free pass to make up rules and laws when it comes to women's reproductive organs. Missus I have had sex a lot more with then without a condom and I’ll admit straight up it’s better without but for security purposes u use one. The abortion debate is a very touchy subject. I’d love to see the percentage of how many women a year in steady relationships have abortions. Your username is a misnomer then or you’re just silly. What does being in a relationship have to do with choosing to have an abortion? You do realise that a lot of women choose not to have children, whether they are in a relationship or not. Maybe something to do with the fact that men in serious relationships even moreso despise the idea of wearing a condom even when their partners health is at risk from using any other form of contraception. Missusim not claiming to know as I’m not a woman. There are some women out there who can take no form of contraceptive at all? Yes. I'm one of them. I was refused to get my tubes tied. Apparently being an adult with a clear mind isn't good enough reason to take ownership over my own reproductive choices. I was told I might meet a man who will want to have kids with me (utter fucking bullshit). I was refused a copper coil - never had kids, so apparently my cervix is too tight and it's not advisable to insert copper coils if you never had kids. Was on estrogen based pill. Lasted a month - horrible side effects which lead to weight gain, depression, Suicidal thoughts, heavy and irregular periods (yes, more than one in that month), blood clots, constant cramps and fatigue. Other contraception methods like: Implant, injection & patch are all estrogen based too, so taking them would lead to the same side effects. Also my breast cancer was feeding on estrogen - if I would have insisted on taking the pill or any other contraception based on estrogen - my cancer would have been way worse. Possibly lethal. I would imagine there's a huge amount of women like me who can't fuck with their hormonal balance, but they either deal with it and just live with men laughing at them for being "too emotional" or not deal with it and fall pregnant, because "condoms don't feel that good". Missus We need a pill for men ,,,, simple There was one. Men refused to take it due to similar side effects to women's contraception. Also I genuinely dont think women would trust men that much to take it (consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are greater to women than men, so many (not all) would lie about taking it and there would be no way on earth for a woman to know who's lying and who's telling the truth). Freeze the sperm. Get a vasectomy. Problem 100% solved and men and women can have as much sex as they want without having any abortion debates ever again
Freez eggs tie tubed not accomplish the same thing while removing the ticking clock element. The trust issue would be up to each woman to address as in take contraceptive themselves too . It would mean that if a man felt strongly against abortion, he could at least have control over pregnancy from his end.
Women currently take the responsibility in the majority of cases. Funny how any changes to male behaviour or bodies causes concern.
Shouldn't be for either sex to dictate which one needs to have a medical procedure. The best option for those concerned would suit .
Thats a tar with the one brush view you seem to have of men
Not true I tar all men with the same brush. Women take the major responsibility for contraception, they cope with the consequences of this should things result in an unplanned pregnancy. Men may support but, ultimately nobody is going to doing intimate procedures to men, putting instruments up their cock, giving them hormones etc. Like I say anyone or any woman rocking the status quo is branded a man hater. I don't hate men, I hate the attitudes of some that don't want to even think about an alternative way of thinking.
The use of the word "some " in this vers your previous post changes your sweeping statement to that of a more tailored one .
I get you i just don't agree that one size fits all . Men shouldn't all get snipped tk facilitate women , as neither should women.
What suits depends on where u are in life , your relationship status. Your health and all the above of your partner.
If you don't know these regarding your partener/s then cover your own ass
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"As far as I can see the contraceptive for men is condoms, there are a few different ones for women but obviously nothing as simple as a condom as women don’t have dicks. There could be a male contraceptive pill but with the option of condoms and nothing going into your body, I’d bet most men would choose condoms. That and you HAVE to take the pill properly or it doesn't work. The girl would need a lot of trust to agree to bare sex and just relying on someone else's reliability to prevent her pregnancy. It's a non runner really as sole contraception.that’s why I have been stating all thread, both use contraceptives if at all possible ." I wasn't disagreeing with that.... but that has no bearing on who has the choice over any resulting pregnancy. She could be recklessly fucking men bare left right and centre, and he could be diligently taking contraception which fails, or also being reckless.. but none of that makes a single bit of difference as to who's choice it is to have an abortion or not. | |||
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"As far as I can see the contraceptive for men is condoms, there are a few different ones for women but obviously nothing as simple as a condom as women don’t have dicks. There could be a male contraceptive pill but with the option of condoms and nothing going into your body, I’d bet most men would choose condoms. That and you HAVE to take the pill properly or it doesn't work. The girl would need a lot of trust to agree to bare sex and just relying on someone else's reliability to prevent her pregnancy. It's a non runner really as sole contraception.that’s why I have been stating all thread, both use contraceptives if at all possible . I wasn't disagreeing with that.... but that has no bearing on who has the choice over any resulting pregnancy. She could be recklessly fucking men bare left right and centre, and he could be diligently taking contraception which fails, or also being reckless.. but none of that makes a single bit of difference as to who's choice it is to have an abortion or not." I would potentially disagree. A one nighter fair enough but a steady relationship couple or married couple, perfectly healthy baby is formed by both and you say it’s nothing to do with the man If that baby is kept or not, I’d disagree but that’s what I was saying all along. You’ll have diff views on this . | |||
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"Silly...how would a man force his partner to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn't want to continue with. " They can't. It's actually an international crime under article 7 of the human rights act. Section 1. g. Forced pregnancy | |||
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"Fair enough. That's the crux of the disagreement. I believe a man in a relationship has no say over the contents of his partners uterus... you think a man in a relationship has a right to force his partner to undergo pregnancy and birth that she doesn't want." good point i would have to agree here. | |||
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"I wouldn’t imagine with a married couple it’s as simple as female saying “I’m having an abortion, that’s it”. There would be a lot more to it then that, a lot of stuff to talk about and consider but I’d have no hesitation in saying if a married couple fell pregnant and he was delighted and she wanted abortion and went ahead with it, that’s the end of the marriage. Of course the final decision is the females, nothing can be done if she goes and has an abortion but of course a man should have a say in the child he formed. " Its not a child ..... | |||
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"Another thing is both use a contraceptive if at all possible and try avoid the mishap. " If men ABSOLUTELY do not want to get their partners pregnant, they can opt for a vasectomy. It’s reversible and quick and easily available with little to no impact on performance or mood. Added bonus: no pressure on the woman to take potentially life-threatening hormones in some cases. I’ve a friend that died of a DVT/PE years ago after taking the pill and going on a long haul flight. | |||
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"I wouldn’t imagine with a married couple it’s as simple as female saying “I’m having an abortion, that’s it”. There would be a lot more to it then that, a lot of stuff to talk about and consider but I’d have no hesitation in saying if a married couple fell pregnant and he was delighted and she wanted abortion and went ahead with it, that’s the end of the marriage. Of course the final decision is the females, nothing can be done if she goes and has an abortion but of course a man should have a say in the child he formed. Its not a child ....." it is. A female becomes pregnant, there is a child growing inside her for the next 9 months. Obviously at different stages throughout a pregnancy different things occur but I don’t think any woman in a marriage would just go and have an abortion without having serious long discussions with her husband. I’d be fairly confident in that occurring. A lot of men /women cannot conceive but those who can I’d be also confident in saying they’ll have children. At the end of the day most will recreate and leave more to come behind when they’re gone. I don’t talk in-depth about female contraceptives as I ain’t a female so wouldn’t know anything about them. Should the final decision be with the female, the very last decision? Of course. I have said that all along. | |||
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"Another thing is both use a contraceptive if at all possible and try avoid the mishap. If men ABSOLUTELY do not want to get their partners pregnant, they can opt for a vasectomy. It’s reversible and quick and easily available with little to no impact on performance or mood. Added bonus: no pressure on the woman to take potentially life-threatening hormones in some cases. I’ve a friend that died of a DVT/PE years ago after taking the pill and going on a long haul flight." you probably also could say there are side effects to all medication we take but those side effects don’t occur ever so regularly. Sorry to hear about your friend. | |||
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"Another thing is both use a contraceptive if at all possible and try avoid the mishap. If men ABSOLUTELY do not want to get their partners pregnant, they can opt for a vasectomy. It’s reversible and quick and easily available with little to no impact on performance or mood. Added bonus: no pressure on the woman to take potentially life-threatening hormones in some cases. I’ve a friend that died of a DVT/PE years ago after taking the pill and going on a long haul flight.you probably also could say there are side effects to all medication we take but those side effects don’t occur ever so regularly. Sorry to hear about your friend. " There is a huge risk of clotting with the contraceptive pill. Much bigger than the risk that came with the Covid vax everyone was worried about. It’s just a calculated risk. The pill is an amazing medication, but the risks with it aren’t discussed enough. | |||
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"Fair enough. That's the crux of the disagreement. I believe a man in a relationship has no say over the contents of his partners uterus... you think a man in a relationship has a right to force his partner to undergo pregnancy and birth that she doesn't want." i think he said he feels that it isn't nothing to do with the dad.... Thats not the same as how your framing it | |||
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"Silly...how would a man force his partner to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn't want to continue with. It DOES sound silly doesn't it. I'm not even sure how it could be done. I guess he could try and threaten and intimidate her into keeping it. " ,,, its a reality in countries where you can only have an abortion on medical grounds . Woman do give birth and up and leave ,,, this dose happen . | |||
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"I wouldn’t imagine with a married couple it’s as simple as female saying “I’m having an abortion, that’s it”. There would be a lot more to it then that, a lot of stuff to talk about and consider but I’d have no hesitation in saying if a married couple fell pregnant and he was delighted and she wanted abortion and went ahead with it, that’s the end of the marriage. Of course the final decision is the females, nothing can be done if she goes and has an abortion but of course a man should have a say in the child he formed. JFC. It’s not a child. its a clump of cells that is not even viable for literally MONTHS after the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy is made. It’s a child when it can survive on its own or the person CARRYING decides it is. Bullshit how can someone decide when and when not an unborn child is or isn't a child ... that sounds like a god complex So if the person carrying lets say your seriget baby decides at 6 months it's not a child , I want an abortion, your ok with that ? You’re being deliberately obtuse. When A WOMAN decides she is a mother is when the foetus becomes a baby. And is your child for the rest of your life, whether or not that baby is born alive or not - as happens 90% of woman at some point. Whenever I found I was pregnant I was a mother immediately!! It was still a teeeeeeny clump of cells but it was my baby!!. If someone has a crisis pregnancy, they don’t make that switch until they have decided to keep the pregnancy, as is their right. . Please don’t mansplain motherhood and the choice to grow a child to any woman, especially not this one who lost SIX. And no, a SURROGATE wouldn’t ever decide a 6mts foetus was just a clump of cells. Not only can you not switch off like that, it’s illegal and vehemently immoral. " It sounds like you genuinely believe your opinions are facts . You are not the compas of morality for all . Some would say its immoral to abort any child at any stage . You declare they are wrong ! You state when a woman decides she is a mother is when it becomes a baby , wtf so if she never accepts her role ?? Or if she dosnt decide tk be a mother then she can abort at any stage by your logic ... You go on to stat you became a mother whenever you found out you were pregnant,, contradiction. Don't assume to know me or where I'm coming from ... you don't, you just think your thoughts are facts. 
You also choose to speak for surrogate mothers ,,, like you can decide what every other woman feels and thinks during the varying stages and situations of THEIR lives ...
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"I wouldn’t imagine with a married couple it’s as simple as female saying “I’m having an abortion, that’s it”. There would be a lot more to it then that, a lot of stuff to talk about and consider but I’d have no hesitation in saying if a married couple fell pregnant and he was delighted and she wanted abortion and went ahead with it, that’s the end of the marriage. Of course the final decision is the females, nothing can be done if she goes and has an abortion but of course a man should have a say in the child he formed. JFC. It’s not a child. its a clump of cells that is not even viable for literally MONTHS after the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy is made. It’s a child when it can survive on its own or the person CARRYING decides it is. Bullshit how can someone decide when and when not an unborn child is or isn't a child ... that sounds like a god complex So if the person carrying lets say your seriget baby decides at 6 months it's not a child , I want an abortion, your ok with that ? You’re being deliberately obtuse. When A WOMAN decides she is a mother is when the foetus becomes a baby. And is your child for the rest of your life, whether or not that baby is born alive or not - as happens 90% of woman at some point. Whenever I found I was pregnant I was a mother immediately!! It was still a teeeeeeny clump of cells but it was my baby!!. If someone has a crisis pregnancy, they don’t make that switch until they have decided to keep the pregnancy, as is their right. . Please don’t mansplain motherhood and the choice to grow a child to any woman, especially not this one who lost SIX. And no, a SURROGATE wouldn’t ever decide a 6mts foetus was just a clump of cells. Not only can you not switch off like that, it’s illegal and vehemently immoral. It sounds like you genuinely believe your opinions are facts . You are not the compas of morality for all . Some would say its immoral to abort any child at any stage . You declare they are wrong ! You state when a woman decides she is a mother is when it becomes a baby , wtf so if she never accepts her role ?? Or if she dosnt decide tk be a mother then she can abort at any stage by your logic ... You go on to stat you became a mother whenever you found out you were pregnant,, contradiction. Don't assume to know me or where I'm coming from ... you don't, you just think your thoughts are facts.
You also choose to speak for surrogate mothers ,,, like you can decide what every other woman feels and thinks during the varying stages and situations of THEIR lives ...
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And give other woman the courtesy of making their own decisions based on their own morals. "I wouldn’t be surprised if people disagreed with me because it’s me. But I’d be surprised if any woman disagreed that you feel like a mother the minute you are excited for the baby growing inside you. If a woman is TERRIFED of what’s gonna happen to her, she will struggle to accept it. And I don’t speak for all surrogate mothers but one of my closest friends carried two for her brother and his husband and I acted as her pregnancy advocate. It’s a phenomenal gift. Not one that ANY women would go into lightly or as flippantly as you suggest. And my thoughts on motherhood and how it pertains to me are facts to me. As a mother. In my distinct and specific experience. I’m no-ones moral compass, hah, I’d be so shit. But I’m mine. As I assume yours are to you. If you are a father. | |||
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"I wouldn’t imagine with a married couple it’s as simple as female saying “I’m having an abortion, that’s it”. There would be a lot more to it then that, a lot of stuff to talk about and consider but I’d have no hesitation in saying if a married couple fell pregnant and he was delighted and she wanted abortion and went ahead with it, that’s the end of the marriage. Of course the final decision is the females, nothing can be done if she goes and has an abortion but of course a man should have a say in the child he formed. JFC. It’s not a child. its a clump of cells that is not even viable for literally MONTHS after the decision to go ahead with a pregnancy is made. It’s a child when it can survive on its own or the person CARRYING decides it is. Bullshit how can someone decide when and when not an unborn child is or isn't a child ... that sounds like a god complex So if the person carrying lets say your seriget baby decides at 6 months it's not a child , I want an abortion, your ok with that ? You’re being deliberately obtuse. When A WOMAN decides she is a mother is when the foetus becomes a baby. And is your child for the rest of your life, whether or not that baby is born alive or not - as happens 90% of woman at some point. Whenever I found I was pregnant I was a mother immediately!! It was still a teeeeeeny clump of cells but it was my baby!!. If someone has a crisis pregnancy, they don’t make that switch until they have decided to keep the pregnancy, as is their right. . Please don’t mansplain motherhood and the choice to grow a child to any woman, especially not this one who lost SIX. And no, a SURROGATE wouldn’t ever decide a 6mts foetus was just a clump of cells. Not only can you not switch off like that, it’s illegal and vehemently immoral. It sounds like you genuinely believe your opinions are facts . You are not the compas of morality for all . Some would say its immoral to abort any child at any stage . You declare they are wrong ! You state when a woman decides she is a mother is when it becomes a baby , wtf so if she never accepts her role ?? Or if she dosnt decide tk be a mother then she can abort at any stage by your logic ... You go on to stat you became a mother whenever you found out you were pregnant,, contradiction. Don't assume to know me or where I'm coming from ... you don't, you just think your thoughts are facts.
You also choose to speak for surrogate mothers ,,, like you can decide what every other woman feels and thinks during the varying stages and situations of THEIR lives ...
Give me a break ...
And give other woman the courtesy of making their own decisions based on their own morals.
I wouldn’t be surprised if people disagreed with me because it’s me. But I’d be surprised if any woman disagreed that you feel like a mother the minute you are excited for the baby growing inside you.
If a woman is TERRIFED of what’s gonna happen to her, she will struggle to accept it.
And I don’t speak for all surrogate mothers but one of my closest friends carried two for her brother and his husband and I acted as her pregnancy advocate. It’s a phenomenal gift. Not one that ANY women would go into lightly or as flippantly as you suggest.
And my thoughts on motherhood and how it pertains to me are facts to me. As a mother. In my distinct and specific experience. I’m no-ones moral compass, hah, I’d be so shit. But I’m mine.
As I assume yours are to you. If you are a father.
"feeling like a mother , and that being the deciding point on weather an unborn child is a child or not are completely different!!!!!!!
Because you know one surrogate person you've got it figured 
Lots do it for money , some for safe passage amoung other reasons , I'm sure some because their too high to care ...
I would imagine many many woman don't take it lightly.
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"From fertilisation to 8 weeks it's an embryo. From 8 to 40 weeks it's a foetus. The term "baby" is ambiguous. The term "child" is generally used after birth. the term unborn child is individual to each person in its meaning and for some its an embryo are they wrong ? Embryo and foetus are the actual medical terms. Baby and child are nonspecific and subjective for some people. I think it's pretty clear what an unborn child is lol You state , as if its a fact that an embryo is not a child. That is a fact in your opinion . If a lady considers her 8 week old to be her baby , is she wrong? " If she considers it so, that's her choice. If she doesn't that's her choice to. Personally having miscarried several times I don't consider it a baby at 8 weeks. | |||
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"From fertilisation to 8 weeks it's an embryo. From 8 to 40 weeks it's a foetus. The term "baby" is ambiguous. The term "child" is generally used after birth. the term unborn child is individual to each person in its meaning and for some its an embryo are they wrong ? Embryo and foetus are the actual medical terms. Baby and child are nonspecific and subjective for some people. I think it's pretty clear what an unborn child is lol You state , as if its a fact that an embryo is not a child. That is a fact in your opinion . If a lady considers her 8 week old to be her baby , is she wrong? " I wouldn't be unkind enough to correct her on it... but its an inconsise term that I wouldn't use in that way myself. I can see how a mum-to-be would be inclined to exaggerate and call it a baby rather than the tiny collection of cells and yolk sack that's there in reality. I wouldn't consider an embryo or a foetus to be a child though. | |||
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"From fertilisation to 8 weeks it's an embryo. From 8 to 40 weeks it's a foetus. The term "baby" is ambiguous. The term "child" is generally used after birth. the term unborn child is individual to each person in its meaning and for some its an embryo are they wrong ? Embryo and foetus are the actual medical terms. Baby and child are nonspecific and subjective for some people. I think it's pretty clear what an unborn child is lol You state , as if its a fact that an embryo is not a child. That is a fact in your opinion . If a lady considers her 8 week old to be her baby , is she wrong? I wouldn't be unkind enough to correct her on it... but its an inconsise term that I wouldn't use in that way myself. I can see how a mum-to-be would be inclined to exaggerate and call it a baby rather than the tiny collection of cells and yolk sack that's there in reality. I wouldn't consider an embryo or a foetus to be a child though." Jeasus bud,,, talk about passive suggestive
A mum to be would be inclined to exaggerate...
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"From fertilisation to 8 weeks it's an embryo. From 8 to 40 weeks it's a foetus. The term "baby" is ambiguous. The term "child" is generally used after birth. the term unborn child is individual to each person in its meaning and for some its an embryo are they wrong ? Embryo and foetus are the actual medical terms. Baby and child are nonspecific and subjective for some people. I think it's pretty clear what an unborn child is lol You state , as if its a fact that an embryo is not a child. That is a fact in your opinion . If a lady considers her 8 week old to be her baby , is she wrong? If she considers it so, that's her choice. If she doesn't that's her choice to. Personally having miscarried several times I don't consider it a baby at 8 weeks. " My point exactly,,, who are we to say when a baby is a baby ... when the start of life is or isn't... jeasus even at my age ... I'm still a bunch of cells and stuff ... just in a different format . | |||
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"From fertilisation to 8 weeks it's an embryo. From 8 to 40 weeks it's a foetus. The term "baby" is ambiguous. The term "child" is generally used after birth. the term unborn child is individual to each person in its meaning and for some its an embryo are they wrong ? Embryo and foetus are the actual medical terms. Baby and child are nonspecific and subjective for some people. I think it's pretty clear what an unborn child is lol You state , as if its a fact that an embryo is not a child. That is a fact in your opinion . If a lady considers her 8 week old to be her baby , is she wrong? I wouldn't be unkind enough to correct her on it... but its an inconsise term that I wouldn't use in that way myself. I can see how a mum-to-be would be inclined to exaggerate and call it a baby rather than the tiny collection of cells and yolk sack that's there in reality. I wouldn't consider an embryo or a foetus to be a child though. Jeasus bud,,, talk about passive suggestive
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"The three SC justices, nominated by the misogynistic Trump, told barefaced lies at their nomination hearings. They each said that Roe V Wade, the SC decision giving constitutional right to women to abortion in the USA, was a paramount legal decision of US justice. They lied, and they destroyed this precedent of US law, and with it the rights of women to bodily integrity, at the earliest possible moment. American women are now just baby making machines for a Christian god. Their right to choose a thing of the past, subject to the decision of powerful men. It's a disaster for American Women and women internationally. The fight back against fundamental Christian domination begins in earnest. Now. The alternative is horror. " Nobody is a baby making machine. They must choose to make a baby , unless dare i say it they are forced, in which case I don't know the legal standing in USA? | |||
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"Let's be honest about this. The reason religions hate abortion is all to do with power and influence. Its the same reason they banned contraception. They know that if they have the parents on board, and 2 parents have 5 kids then those 5 kids are all going to be subjects to the religion also and therefore also under the control of the church. Historicslly the idea was if they kept this cycle going long enough then in time they would control a whole population. This worked really well until recently the religions have been in decline with people seeing through the bullshit. Now they are desperately clinging on to their power by any means possible. The old playback doesn't work like it used to, but it's still true that kids tend to follow the religions of their parents. This policy isn't rooted in kindness and love... its self interest and control. " Agree with you | |||
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"Let's be honest about this. The reason religions hate abortion is all to do with power and influence. Its the same reason they banned contraception. They know that if they have the parents on board, and 2 parents have 5 kids then those 5 kids are all going to be subjects to the religion also and therefore also under the control of the church. Historicslly the idea was if they kept this cycle going long enough then in time they would control a whole population. This worked really well until recently the religions have been in decline with people seeing through the bullshit. Now they are desperately clinging on to their power by any means possible. The old playback doesn't work like it used to, but it's still true that kids tend to follow the religions of their parents. This policy isn't rooted in kindness and love... its self interest and control. " How very cynical and presumptuous the inability of individuals to lead their own lives ... people always have something to blame for their decisions,,, and others who think differently always assum those people with different beliefs must be sheep....
I have a large family, that come from a very large family , both sides ,, most of them would entertain an abortion as a resort of necessity only , most of them are not lead by the church ,,, wouldn't judge others on their choices in general...
Many people I rekon are the same,,, thats not a result of the church being able to brain wash people into breeding more recruits... its a result of people seeing things and forming their own beliefs. | |||
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"I don’t think _ilthynights was expressing an opinion on peoples beliefs, i think it was an opinion on where destructive policies stem from. And it’s an astute and practised opinion. But I don’t think any of this matters to you… I think you just want to be pissed off regardless of what anyone says, right or wrong. Ah well. " Green arrow presents a pattern... | |||
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"I don’t think _ilthynights was expressing an opinion on peoples beliefs, i think it was an opinion on where destructive policies stem from. And it’s an astute and practised opinion. But I don’t think any of this matters to you… I think you just want to be pissed off regardless of what anyone says, right or wrong. Ah well. " I'd imagine your personal dig is result of you not grasping that I don't know which is right or wrong , unlike yourself apparently
For me its a case of voicing my thoughts as my thoughts rather than as facts ... which you seem to have a problem with???
Thanks for your thoughts on what matters to me and my state of mind
I can tell from your approach,, it dosnt matter if your right in your opinions of me ,,, it only matters that you think you right , speaks volumes in itself | |||
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"Cynical? Maybe. But don't be blind to the big picture either. These church policies are there for a reason. Rapid growth was always the plan. In modern times in Western europe its more like reducing the decline as much as they can. Those collection boxes will be worryingly empty once the wrinklies age out of mass attendance. " | |||
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