FabSwingers.com forum: War in Europe?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I read today that US President Biden is "convinced" that Russia has decided to invade Ukraine. In the same article its reported that Russian President Putin is to oversee major nuclear weapons drills six months earlier than usual. Scary stuff indeed. I'm trying not to be alarmist, but will I get to see my 67th birthday?

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

It is very scary indeed, but we live on one of safest islands.

I do really worry about my family who live in several different European countries that are quite close to conflict zone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't worry too much about it OP. The Russian bear just needs to remind the West of its military strength occasionally with a bit of Sabre rattling. If they were stupid enough to go ahead with an invasion, he economic sanctions imposed by the EU and other western democratic countries would bring the Russian economy to its knees.

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

Ya, thinking you're right about that

The ego must be fed. The Bear must be satisfied in whatever way it needs to be

On a positive note, am I right in thinking that Russia is the only country left in the world that behaves like this?

N. Korea is shocking in so many ways but don't ever look to be shaping up to invade another..

No country in the troubled middle east has thrown a similar shape in a long time, and doesn't look to be any time soon

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"Ya, thinking you're right about that

The ego must be fed. The Bear must be satisfied in whatever way it needs to be

On a positive note, am I right in thinking that Russia is the only country left in the world that behaves like this?

N. Korea is shocking in so many ways but don't ever look to be shaping up to invade another..

No country in the troubled middle east has thrown a similar shape in a long time, and doesn't look to be any time soon "

China doesn't seem to have great overall morals...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"......If they were stupid enough to go ahead with an invasion, he economic sanctions imposed by the EU and other western democratic countries would bring the Russian economy to its knees. "

This is my way of thinking on this crisis too, but just occasionally I see worrying trends in the direction of war.

I hope for all our sakes that I'm

completely wrong and that this is just the bluster of an autocract/dictator flexing his muscles to appease his nationalist base in Russia. That way we Fabbers can get on with our lives, enjoying love, longing, desire, and orgasms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read today that US President Biden is "convinced" that Russia has decided to invade Ukraine. In the same article its reported that Russian President Putin is to oversee major nuclear weapons drills six months earlier than usual. Scary stuff indeed. I'm trying not to be alarmist, but will I get to see my 67th birthday? "

Biden said 2 weeks ago russia would invade in the next 3 days and nothing happened, pay no attention to the Americans it Seems all they can do is Stoke tension, they do love a good war after all, Putin will not invade unless he has a good enough reason, he is the ultimate provocateur gauging the response from the west..

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I Have a little sympathy for the Russian. They are not the power the were once. They have seen all the warsaw pact countries defect to ether the eu or nato. They stand alone now.

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"Ya, thinking you're right about that

The ego must be fed. The Bear must be satisfied in whatever way it needs to be

On a positive note, am I right in thinking that Russia is the only country left in the world that behaves like this?

N. Korea is shocking in so many ways but don't ever look to be shaping up to invade another..

No country in the troubled middle east has thrown a similar shape in a long time, and doesn't look to be any time soon

China doesn't seem to have great overall morals... "

No they absolutely don't, you're right

I was looking at it from an "invading" perspective, can't think of any other country at this time that has designs on invading another

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Ya, thinking you're right about that

The ego must be fed. The Bear must be satisfied in whatever way it needs to be

On a positive note, am I right in thinking that Russia is the only country left in the world that behaves like this?

N. Korea is shocking in so many ways but don't ever look to be shaping up to invade another..

No country in the troubled middle east has thrown a similar shape in a long time, and doesn't look to be any time soon

China doesn't seem to have great overall morals...

No they absolutely don't, you're right

I was looking at it from an "invading" perspective, can't think of any other country at this time that has designs on invading another "

Seems like china is too happy making money

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"Ya, thinking you're right about that

The ego must be fed. The Bear must be satisfied in whatever way it needs to be

On a positive note, am I right in thinking that Russia is the only country left in the world that behaves like this?

N. Korea is shocking in so many ways but don't ever look to be shaping up to invade another..

No country in the troubled middle east has thrown a similar shape in a long time, and doesn't look to be any time soon

China doesn't seem to have great overall morals...

No they absolutely don't, you're right

I was looking at it from an "invading" perspective, can't think of any other country at this time that has designs on invading another

Seems like china is too happy making money "

And gobbling up the world, financially!!

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Biden seems to have lost the run of himself. His carry during the whole situation has been awful. If it was Trump behaving in this way there would be absolute outrage over it. Seems to be getting hard of the thought of a war.

I feel for Ukraine. Talk about a rock and a hard place. Being used a pawn by some American war-mongerer who clearly doesn't actually care about the Ukrainian people but just about his own ego.

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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago

Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun

I'm not being naive but I don't trust anything the USA says after Iraq.

Not a fan of putin at all, but I'd say it's been a failure of an attempt to destabilise Ukraine's prowestern current government and have the population thinking returning to Russia's sphere of influence is a good idea, but from what I've seen of the interviews with the people, it's pushed them further away.

This is all based purely on a few interviews we see from a minority of the population though, all filtered through news organisations that can't help but shape their perceptions of the world based on their preconceived notions and worldviews though.

I don't believe anyone can really see the true full picture of things, even in this era of information overload.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

The Western powers and Russia both took part in a simulated war games a few years ago, both sides placing all their assets, and strategies into the simulation. The war was over in 24 hours, Russia won. Russia simply wants a buffer zone, between Russia and Nato countries, like Israel, and its surrounding countries. The western powers left Afghanistan, because they knew this was coming, and they dont have the resources for two wars.

My sympathies lie with the Russian sailors bobbing up and down in storm Eunice.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"The Western powers and Russia both took part in a simulated war games a few years ago, both sides placing all their assets, and strategies into the simulation. The war was over in 24 hours, Russia won. Russia simply wants a buffer zone, between Russia and Nato countries, like Israel, and its surrounding countries. The western powers left Afghanistan, because they knew this was coming, and they dont have the resources for two wars.

My sympathies lie with the Russian sailors bobbing up and down in storm Eunice. "

..but they aren't proposing that this "buffer" space should be within their own border lol. They are looking to invade a sovereign country to create one. That's not ok.

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By *reffnimanMan
over a year ago

Donegal/dublin/ berkshire

People are only listening to the western media the whole sage goes back to 1990 and the break up of the soviet Union a pack was agreed between Russia and the USA nato that a unified Germany would go onto nato and after that not an in he was to be given to any new nato members... And now the US are renaging on that agreement

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"People are only listening to the western media the whole sage goes back to 1990 and the break up of the soviet Union a pack was agreed between Russia and the USA nato that a unified Germany would go onto nato and after that not an in he was to be given to any new nato members... And now the US are renaging on that agreement"

I listen to Russian, Lithuanian, Canadian, Australian, South Africal news radios all the time.

I should probably do it more often though.

There is an app called "radio garden" that is available in all app stores and let's you tune into every single radio station in the world, you just have to pick a city.

It's free and it plays in the background so doesn't drain the battery too much.

Missus

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

No there was no pact that restricted nato membership. Thats not what the warsaw pact was. In fact it's it's part of natos charter that any country that meets the requirements of membership can join. Russia doesn't get to control what memberships a sovereign country can join.

Nato was specifically created to stop Russia expanding all over Europe after the war... and it's still doing that now.

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

How many countries has the US invaded since the fall of the soviet Union. How many has Russia invaded.

Russia is not going to invaded anywhere.

Stop watching the news or reading it on the Internet.

You can bump this thread in 1 and 2 years from now and I will say no, Russia still hasn't invaded anywhere.

They want you living in fear!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

How many countries has the US invaded since the fall of the soviet Union. How many has Russia invaded.

Russia is not going to invaded anywhere.

Stop watching the news or reading it on the Internet.

You can bump this thread in 1 and 2 years from now and I will say no, Russia still hasn't invaded anywhere.

They want you living in fear!"

Erm.. didn't Russia invade Chrimea a couple years ago?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Sorry Crimea not Chrimea

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By *1CorkCouple
over a year ago

Cork

We’re neutral. We’re open to meeting Ethnic Ukrainian couples, Russophone Ukrainian couples, Donbas separatist couples, Russian Couples, American couples, etc.

Our neutrality doesn’t permit us to condone the existence of military alliances other than UN mandated peacekeeping forces, so we won’t meet any NATO identifying couples.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"We’re neutral. We’re open to meeting Ethnic Ukrainian couples, Russophone Ukrainian couples, Donbas separatist couples, Russian Couples, American couples, etc.

Our neutrality doesn’t permit us to condone the existence of military alliances other than UN mandated peacekeeping forces, so we won’t meet any NATO identifying couples."

What is a NATO identifying couple?

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By *1CorkCouple
over a year ago

Cork

"We’re neutral. We’re open to meeting Ethnic Ukrainian couples, Russophone Ukrainian couples, Donbas separatist couples, Russian Couples, American couples, etc.

Our neutrality doesn’t permit us to condone the existence of military alliances other than UN mandated peacekeeping forces, so we won’t meet any NATO identifying couples.

What is a NATO identifying couple?"

A joke

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Good one

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

"Sorry Crimea not Chrimea"

How many has the US invaded!

Russia is not going to invade the urakine!

Bump this thread in 1 or 2 years time and you will see they haven't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many countries has the US invaded since the fall of the soviet Union. How many has Russia invaded.

Russia is not going to invaded anywhere.

Stop watching the news or reading it on the Internet.

You can bump this thread in 1 and 2 years from now and I will say no, Russia still hasn't invaded anywhere.

They want you living in fear!

Erm.. didn't Russia invade Chrimea a couple years ago?"

Crimea was given to Ukraine as a gift from Russia in recognition of their heroics in fighting the nazis after ww2.. The Russians didn't invade Crimea they simply took it back because of Ukraines eagerness to join the EU whick BTW the Russians see as nazis in disguise, Crimea is overwhelming Russian speaking always was always will be its historical Russian territory, the same can be said about east Ukraine which again is mostly Russian speaking indeed many people hold Russian passports, Putin has every right to defend these territories and his people, why is it OK for nato to amass an army in Ukraine but its not OK for Russia to do the same on its side of the border, nato has been involved in every single conflict and war this planet has seen since its inception in 1949 but Russia are the bad guys, please we need some perspective on the matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Defend his people"????? What the eff are you on about?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

You can't just "take back" a soverign country. Crossing a border and installing a new government IS an invasion.

I'm quite surprised an Irish forum is seeming perfectly happy with a larger neighbouring country "taking back" control of its smaller less powerful neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't just "take back" a soverign country. Crossing a border and installing a new government IS an invasion.

I'm quite surprised an Irish forum is seeming perfectly happy with a larger neighbouring country "taking back" control of its smaller less powerful neighbour."

That's exactly what they did took it back and there was no protest from crimeans, they wanted to be part of Russia again, there was even a referendum which surprise surprise every nato member condemned as rigged, they can't win no matter what they do

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By *1CorkCouple
over a year ago

Cork

"Good one"

You confuse us with one of those on here who crave approval from the self appointed forum standards committee.

Think the message in our post - that the sovereignty question in eastern Ukraine is far from clear cut, something we thought Irish people are more uniquely attuned to than most, and that NATOs existence alone is antagonistic - went over your head.

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By *1CorkCouple
over a year ago

Cork

"You can't just "take back" a soverign country. Crossing a border and installing a new government IS an invasion.

I'm quite surprised an Irish forum is seeming perfectly happy with a larger neighbouring country "taking back" control of its smaller less powerful neighbour."

What about self determination of a region? Ala good Friday agreement. Crimean people not entitled? Or right to revolution and Declaration of Independence? Ala GPO. People of Luhansk and Donetsk not entitled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak? "

I mean speak Russian as their first every day language not know it as a second language, West Ukraine is overwhelmingly Ukrainian and Ukrainian is the no1 language spoken every day very few speak Russian in lviv but nearly everyone in donbass does, hope I cleared that up for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crimeans? Crimean tatars that were deported by Stalin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. Stop watching RT. You're brainwashed by ruski propaganda

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crimeans? Crimean tatars that were deported by Stalin? "

Stalin was Georgian not Russian, and as for tatars we can argue that ukranians created their suffering not Russians, we can split hairs here all day long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OMG! Thats the dumbest statement I've ever heard

Where did you hear that nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bollocks. Stop watching RT. You're brainwashed by ruski propaganda

Use the quote button please

RT is a great service, it provides a completely different perspective to the usual bs we are fed by Western media, it along with Al jazeera are the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Different perspective indeed

no doubt about that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....

Weren't Chechnya, N. Ossetiya and Transnistriya also entitled to self-determinstion? Oh wait... we all know what happened there, don't we?

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By *mokey and the bandit 1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

Don't worry about Russia sure didn't the Irish fisherman tell them to fuck off and they fucked off.

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By *mokey and the bandit 1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ?

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By *orkGuyFunGuyMan
over a year ago

Cork

If there was ever going to be a world war in our life time… it will start in the coming weeks or not at all…

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

"If there was ever going to be a world war in our life time… it will start in the coming weeks or not at all…"

No world war will happen in our lifetime. The days of world was are over

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By *elboy64Man
over a year ago

weston

It's all crap have you not worked it out yet, they want to keep everyone in fear, people are stopping be in fear of covid so war next it will be something else next month. No one noticed there's no terrorist about, oh they'll save them for the next fear porn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ? "

If you speak English and hold a British passport then yes you could be defined as English, let's not be pedantic here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russia's trying to hold onto the little power they have left. They have a failing economy and this is just one of the reasons for invasion - A distraction!

Putin has just made demands and made no effort to negotiate. He's trying to dictate how a different country governs itself.

I was always very anti invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam to name a few but I am totally with America on this one.

Putin and his backwards regime are a threat to Western Values, and anyone that supports him is politically illiterate in my opinion.

I don't think Russia will be as strong as they let on. Ukraine's Military isn't massive but it's a decent military nonetheless. Russia are used to Guerillas with little equipment.

Team Ukraine all the way.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ?

If you speak English and hold a British passport then yes you could be defined as English, let's not be pedantic here"

Pop over to the Scotland or Wales forum and explain that one will ya?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ?

If you speak English and hold a British passport then yes you could be defined as English, let's not be pedantic here

Pop over to the Scotland or Wales forum and explain that one will ya? "

Pedantic

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ?

If you speak English and hold a British passport then yes you could be defined as English, let's not be pedantic here

Pop over to the Scotland or Wales forum and explain that one will ya?

Pedantic "

It's ok. You spelled it right the first time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

putin has this unattainable dream of "making russia great again" which is a complete oxymoron... His demented mind is obsessed with the idea of recreating the mighty Soviet Union, hence these pathetic attempts at re-integration of post-soviet republics. Ukrainians told him to eff off on multiple occassions and seem to be the only nation that see him for what he is - a bully and a thug and officially call him "?????" - dickhead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh, fab does not accept cyrillic font

so putin has been known as "Khuylo" (dickhead)

for over 8 years now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, fab does not accept cyrillic font

so putin has been known as "Khuylo" (dickhead)

for over 8 years now. "

Suka

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, fab does not accept cyrillic font

so putin has been known as "Khuylo" (dickhead)

for over 8 years now.

Suka

Poshel na khuy, gandon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh, fab does not accept cyrillic font

so putin has been known as "Khuylo" (dickhead)

for over 8 years now.

Suka

Poshel na khuy, gandon

Piederas

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The so-called superpowers are relentlessly flexing their muscles in their respective spheres of influence worldwide.

Ignore the whole lot of them and get on with your own life; the tension will abate in due course, and they will go back to criticising each others methods, human rights records, or whatever.

I refuse to be manipulated or coerced into a state of fear; in the west we only usually hear one side of the story: propaganda and winning hearts and minds!

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By *Sparkie.Man
over a year ago

Ratoath

How has nobody told Putin to fuck back to Moscow and leave Ukraine alone or we'll bomb you, surely a drone strike could take him out.

Hes clearly a power hungry control freak, he's a liability, he's as bad as King Jong-Un who at least he doesn't hide being crazy.

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"The so-called superpowers are relentlessly flexing their muscles in their respective spheres of influence worldwide.

Ignore the whole lot of them and get on with your own life; the tension will abate in due course, and they will go back to criticising each others methods, human rights records, or whatever.

I refuse to be manipulated or coerced into a state of fear; in the west we only usually hear one side of the story: propaganda and winning hearts and minds!"

Good shout

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

"It's all crap have you not worked it out yet, they want to keep everyone in fear, people are stopping be in fear of covid so war next it will be something else next month. No one noticed there's no terrorist about, oh they'll save them for the next fear porn."

This

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"The so-called superpowers are relentlessly flexing their muscles in their respective spheres of influence worldwide.

Ignore the whole lot of them and get on with your own life; the tension will abate in due course, and they will go back to criticising each others methods, human rights records, or whatever.

I refuse to be manipulated or coerced into a state of fear; in the west we only usually hear one side of the story: propaganda and winning hearts and minds!"

Of course both sides have propaganda, but that doesn't mean everyone should just ignore everything. Imagine that approach had been taken in the 40's. We would all be speaking German. Pretending there isn't a threat here and that war in Europe is impossible is sticking your head in the sand.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

And those who point to Irelands neutrality... tons of country's tried to take a neutral stance in WW2, until they were invaded. Here is quite a good article on it.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-that-remained-neutral-in-wwii.html

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By *13_hercMan
over a year ago

Blackrock

I try to take it all with a pinch of salt. Let's not forget the behaviour of Britain and America in the lead-up to the Iraq war. They fed us a web of fabrication regarding weapons of mass destruction - they didn't exist.

America and Russia are much the same. Both are struggling to exert their influence. But America does it with money, and so called diplomacy, while Russia tries the old fashioned brute force and ignorance route. They've been sat on Ukraine's border for years and done nothing. Covid is over this is just the next thing for the world to worry about...until something better comes along

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By *upermanslovechildMan
over a year ago

Glasnevin

"Doh

everyone in post-soviet countries (all 15 of them) spoke Russian as they were effing occupied by the Soviets for over 70 years. What language do you expect them to speak?

So by that criteria I wake up and speak English there fore I'm English ?

If you speak English and hold a British passport then yes you could be defined as English, let's not be pedantic here

Pop over to the Scotland or Wales forum and explain that one will ya?

Pedantic "

Someone's getting caught out by their own bullshit

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By *ublinguy99Man
over a year ago

Dublin South

Neither side are any saints in this matter. What I find concerning is that as the planet is going to hell in a hand cart environmentally all they can think about is their petty squabbles. If climate change isnt sorted out soon this century, will be wracked with wars. I genuinely fear for children growing up now.

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By *mokey and the bandit 1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

Russia just crossed the boarder into Ukraine as "peacekeepers"

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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago

Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun

And here I am to accept I was dead wrong.

Can we never have normality. Years ago it was Brexit all over the news, and when we got sick and tired of that, COVID hit us suddenly, and then when we got sick and tired of that, finally thinking we could relax, Putin says he wants to return to the old Historic Russia.

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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago

Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun

"Neither side are any saints in this matter. What I find concerning is that as the planet is going to hell in a hand cart environmentally all they can think about is their petty squabbles. If climate change isnt sorted out soon this century, will be wracked with wars. I genuinely fear for children growing up now."

Glad to see another one who truly sees the state of us as a species. So many people are just trapped in this made up world of ours, all a complete social construct, convinced it's reality when the reality is that we as a species on this ancient planet have advanced far too rapidly and are very likely facing total civilisation collapse in the coming decades, and possible extinction in the coming centuries.

Things are seriously screwed, and we are definitely not on track to deal with climate change, no matter what the media or governments are saying, so you kind of just have to cross your fingers and seriously hope we're wrong.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I didn't expect it to get to this stage. Worrying times.

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By *ligolad321Man
over a year ago

Donegal

It has begun... world war 3 here we go.

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By *elboy64Man
over a year ago

weston

Russia will go in and take the Russia speaking regions that are seeking independents, their plan all along. So if we keep out of it, then all be over in days

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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago

Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun

"Russia will go in and take the Russia speaking regions that are seeking independents, their plan all along. So if we keep out of it, then all be over in days "

Was hoping it would be a bluff a few days ago to push back NATO forces as Russia hates that it lost Ukraine from it's sphere of influence in 2014, but if it goes this far, there's no saying how far more it will go.

Ukraine has extremely valuable agricultural land, and while many of you may be under the illusion that we're on track regarding climate change, we're definitely not and cop26 was an absolute failure.

We've been lucky to to an extent that the oceans have been absorbing most of the excess heat and a lot of CO2 for the last couple of decades, but it's ability is dwindling now, with warm water being able to absorb less, so CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is speeding up now, while all of our useless politicians make promises for 2050, and thinking a little bit of green energy and electric vehicles are enough in a society dependent on constant consumerism and so focused on endless growth.

What we're looking at now may be the beginnings of the collapse if Russia is looking to gain that safe land to feed it's population.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Russia will go in and take the Russia speaking regions that are seeking independents, their plan all along. So if we keep out of it, then all be over in days "

Good job Mystic Meg, predicting Russia will do the thing that they just announced they are doing

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Sorry Crimea not Chrimea

How many has the US invaded!

Russia is not going to invade the urakine!

Bump this thread in 1 or 2 years time and you will see they haven't. "

Ahem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And here I am to accept I was dead wrong.

This IS normality. There's always someone who wants what someone else has, human nature at it's finest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going to wait now for the anti vax experts / covid deniers to become foreign policy, military strategy experts with a healthy dose of claiming what's going in the Ukraine isn't real.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to wait now for the anti vax experts / covid deniers to become foreign policy, military strategy experts with a healthy dose of claiming what's going in the Ukraine isn't real. "

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By *ligolad321Man
over a year ago

Donegal

On the plus side. I'm looking forward to going full on uncle Albert with the grandkids in years to come... 'During the War '...

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"On the plus side. I'm looking forward to going full on uncle Albert with the grandkids in years to come... 'During the War '..."

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By *Whiskey Guy 2.0Man
over a year ago

Ballynaughty

Possible newly and independent country break away from East Ukraine

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By *heboss1977Man
over a year ago

West Cavan Leitrim Fermanagh

I'm not defending Russia but the UK and USA have no problems invading and wrecking countries themselves when it suits them

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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago

Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun

"I'm not defending Russia but the UK and USA have no problems invading and wrecking countries themselves when it suits them"

Especially in the middle East or south America and when you think of things, it's only in the last few decades the civilised west has suddenly just started agreeing that invading other countries is wrong. Look at how much the borders everywhere have changed in the last few hundred years.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I believe has begun in earnest now. Russia recognises the "Independence" of breakaway areas of Ukraine. It was these areas, Donetsk and Donbas, that the Russians themselves fermented, armed, supported, and fought along side with, against the Ukraine Government. Peacekeepers my ass.!! It's looking bad and will probably get much worse. Economies will suffer, jobs will be lost, and ordinary workers everywhere will pay the price. This is always the legacy that thuggish dictators leave ordinary working people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can say goodbye Ukraine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can say goodbye Ukraine "

What a moronic statement... Don't you think Poland could be next?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can say goodbye Ukraine

What a moronic statement... Don't you think Poland could be next? "

Yeah will be Rusland maybe in next 20 years. Nothing nobody can do with Ukraine atm. That country unfortunately gonna be belongs to Russia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah will be Rusland maybe in next 20 years. Nothing nobody can do with Ukraine atm. That country unfortunately gonna be belongs to Russia.

It won't be a smooth ride for russia either...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ukraine has been in active combat for 8 years so shitloads of experince. If Kremlin midget wants massacre - that's what he's gonna get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ukraine has been in active combat for 8 years so shitloads of experince. If Kremlin midget wants massacre - that's what he's gonna get. "

I know whole story about. Really sorry for Ukraine

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Looks like a full military invasion is underway now.

https://www.rt.com/russia/550417-ukraine-accuses-russia-invasion/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back in the 1939

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is just terrible. So sad and frightening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was wondering the sanctions on Russia why haven't any sanctions been imposed on Belarus as well as its being used as a base for the invasion as well ???

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Was wondering the sanctions on Russia why haven't any sanctions been imposed on Belarus as well as its being used as a base for the invasion as well ???"

Because there's plenty of sanctions on Belarus already, in place for years...

Anyhow sad day. Scary stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now would be the time to hear from all the fucktards justifying his actions: "Oh, he was just protecting russian speaking population... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin + Hitler = Putler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now would be the time to hear from all the fucktards justifying his actions: "Oh, he was just protecting russian speaking population... " "

No justification for it , its just wrong on every level... scary scary times with unknown Endgame

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By *itandhotCouple
over a year ago

citywest

Putin just a big bully scumbag!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many countries has the US invaded since the fall of the soviet Union. How many has Russia invaded.

Russia is not going to invaded anywhere.

Stop watching the news or reading it on the Internet.

You can bump this thread in 1 and 2 years from now and I will say no, Russia still hasn't invaded anywhere.

They want you living in fear!"
You were saying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strange. Most of the people who said it wouldn't happen, it's the new fear porn etc etc are gone awful quiet in the last few days.

Very sad day though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one knows what's in that sick mind of his... Ireland could be next "on the menue" given its geopolitical location. Who the fuck needs Crimea now if you can get Ireland...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are the russian ships still around in the neutral waters btw?

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing"

- Edmund Burke

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I do wonder what the Russian people, politicians must think. It's very hard to justify a full on invasion.

I'd expect to see global leaders constantly to Putin rather than Russia when talking about this from now on to try and isolate him internally. At this stage unless pressure comes from with Russia you'd wonder how far Putin would be willing to go.

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By *aywhatnowMan
over a year ago

North County

"I do wonder what the Russian people, politicians must think. It's very hard to justify a full on invasion.

He wont stop after Ukraine, they will then border Poland, Belarus and others, he wants the old Soviet block back.

Pure evil, sanctions are not enough to stop this, financially backed by China too, ultimately NATO powers will have to step in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as there existed a pro western regime in Ukraine it was bound to happen. US would do same if Mexico turned Commie. Taiwan is next.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As long as there existed a pro western regime in Ukraine it was bound to happen. US would do same if Mexico turned Commie. Taiwan is next."

I believe that the above is a bad analysis of the Ukraine Crisis, which is now a real war in Europe. Russia is not a communist country. It is firmly in the Capitalist System, except that it is ruled by a brutal thug of a dictator and his billionaire pals. He has waged war before in Georgia and Azerbaijan. Putiin has fought to keep the murderous dictator Assad in power in Syria. Putin is a warmongering thug. Ukraine is a democracy, and dictators hate democracies. The situation is bad and ordinary people everywhere, especially in Ukraine and Russia itself will pay heavily for the actions of the billionaire thug Putin.

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

Russia could have invaded back then, they refused. They asked EU/US to get involved. Stabalize the area, and set up autonomous regions like Northern Ireland/Scotland/Wales in the UK leaving them all in the "Ukraine".

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

Ireland defeated the vikings when they fought United. Then the British came, and several kings did deals with them and we never fought them. We fought For them, Wellington was born in Ireland, and the Devils own connaught rangers were Irish. They are the origin of the storm trooper and are undefeated. They once charged the french army and scattered it across the country side they were so feared.

They marched past English, Welsh, Scottish troops to complete tasks considered undoable. They were given bayonets and told to hold a line so the English/Welsh could leave after running out of ammo, they not only held the line they won the battle with their knives.

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The French had an Irish legion, it was their most revered section and went on to become the forgein legion. They were so well liked the leader of the Irish Legion went on to be president of France. McMahon.

The Irish were under the employ of the hasburg army to secure Serbia from invasion by turks/ottomans, The Irish went and after they had set up serbias defence system, serbia was never invaded by them again.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

When the Irish eventually decided to fight the British in Ireland they won. Even papers today said that the small fraction of rebels that remained fighting like the Provisional IRA were "undefeatable".

I appreciate that these days Irish people like listening to people like blind boy pontificate about what pronouns we use and what drugs we should be allowed take, and we all feel a bit soft in the belly. And we are all a bit softer.

But Irish have nothing to worry about from Russia or anyone else in the world. They can come, they can have a go and they find out the same as britain did, you can either do deals with us getting factions of us to prop you up, or lay on top of us as we take out a knife and stab russia in the belly over and over with small cuts till the blood runs out of Russia.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If russia invade Ireland so what, we dont need USA/UK/Nato/UN, we will do it ourselves even if it takes 800 years. We dont need an army, or to join an EU one. The migrants who came here from abroad can refuse to fight for us and flee. We can be left totally on our own. We would still win.

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching.

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By *oadrunner2000Man
over a year ago

city centre

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching."

The russians have thousands of tanks, fighter jets, endless supply of nukes. We have the LE Eithne....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's all very interesting but you forgot to mention a major economic factor of this war that will effect Ireland. Sanctions are being put in place on Russian gas and oil. That will dramatically rise the price of fuel at the pump and the snowball effect of fuel prices rising is of course the price of everything else rises.

So in actual fact Ireland can be hit hard by Putin's war on the Ukraine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's all very interesting but you forgot to mention a major economic factor of this war that will effect Ireland. Sanctions are being put in place on Russian gas and oil. That will dramatically rise the price of fuel at the pump and the snowball effect of fuel prices rising is of course the price of everything else rises.

So in actual fact Ireland can be hit hard by Putin's war on the Ukraine."

Yes food prices will rocket, Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe exporting huge amounts of grain to EU, a loaf of bread could be a fiver at the end of all this..

Along with gas and oil price increase

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Russia could have invaded back then, they refused.

If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

So you're telling me that I have this all wrong. That in fact Putin is a defender of democracy everywhere. That he is against a vicious "coup" where 90% of the people voting for independence for Ukraine, and for it to decide it's own destiny.

And how wonderful Putin is to decide that this indépendant nation should do exactly what he tells them or risk his anger!!

I'll say it again. Putin is a warmongering thug. An autocract/dictator and an enemy of people's democracy and human rights.

He has started a war in Europe, that has the potential to kill us all through Nuclear conflagration. That is what thug dictators, with hundreds of Nuclear bombs threaten.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching."

Ireland if of little to no strategic importance to Russia (or indeed anyone else). We have no valuable natural resources. We have no military to speak of, no air force, and no navy. We have no important ports or airports we have no massive wealth. There is no worry from Russia because we have fuckall worth invading.

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

Belfast

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching."

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By *usietranslutTV/TS
over a year ago

carlow

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching.

Except all the muti nationals, mainly American based here - expect some real cyber attacks - the HSE one was only a little experiment. And would you think they might have located those trans Atlantic cables with their recent visit to our vicinity while our fishermen presented the ambassador with some juicy prawns? Major attacks on world communications and the internet quite likely. They are not really interested in Ireland, but are very interested in what goes through Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

slava ykeraine heroyim slava

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"EU backed a coup, Russia backed the democratically elected officials. You can't rewrite that.

Even wiki agrees this point. As such you can't claim that Ukraine was a stable democracy.

EU agreed, but then pushed for laws that made this solution impossible. If the regions can not be partly autonomus then russia has decided they will be independent.

Why should Ireland be afraid anyway?

The Irish fought and won, the French, Spanish, Germans, Russians, Turks, Italians.

During world war 2 an Irish man is credited with defeating the whole Italian navy. The medeteranian was called his pond.

The Irish fought for mexico and defeated and held off the US army.

The Romans couldnt take Ireland, the vikings couldnt, the British couldnt, Hitler doubted he could etc.

Where is this fear in Irish people coming from?

If you feel afraid of russia, stop watching whatever media you are watching.

We aren't especially important with undersea cables either... and even if we were they can be cut offshore easily enough. No invasion needed.

www.submarinecablemap.com

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"slava ykeraine heroyim slava"

Its fab..make love, not war

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

"Strange. Most of the people who said it wouldn't happen, it's the new fear porn etc etc are gone awful quiet in the last few days.

Very sad day though. "

it’s still fear porn . Kiev is not in ruins, which in a real war would be matter of minutes. Neither side has reported casualties appropriate for a war , most media floating around are fakes on either side and impossible to verify . All tv shown video you can hear sirene alarms but no detonations .

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

How many casualties does a war need before its a war?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since the start of the full-scale invasion on February 24, Russia has killed 57 people. Another 169 were injured. These are the official data of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Kiev is not in ruins, which in a real war would be matter of minutes. Neither side has reported casualties appropriate for a war.....All tv shown video you can hear sirene alarms but no detonations .

Well go on...how many deaths does it take for you to say "its a real war"?

Go on...give us a figure of the number of dead bodies lying in the street of the cities and villages of Ukraine, that you'd find realistic for a war?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was wondering the sanctions on Russia why haven't any sanctions been imposed on Belarus as well as its being used as a base for the invasion as well ???"

Sanctions are joke,won't change thing

I m affraid Amricans fucked up this one big time and provoke this war as every other and now Ukrianians are left on their own

So sad for inocent ppl who believed Nato and Americans going to help them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin + Hitler = Putler"

Trust me there is no difference between Americans and Russians I m talking about politics

It's all about power and money,they don't care about ppl...

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By *jallMan
over a year ago

Cork/Sligo

"Was wondering the sanctions on Russia why haven't any sanctions been imposed on Belarus as well as its being used as a base for the invasion as well ???

Because there's plenty of sanctions on Belarus already, in place for years...

Anyhow sad day. Scary stuff.

They specifically said that there are more sanctions coming to Belarus, EU said it today

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

If the United States was still interested in Europe, as a sphere of influence, we would be heading for Armageddon, but their interest has now shifted to Australasia.

This crisis has yet to develop fully and will rumble on for years; Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Poland are next.

Putin wants to reestablish the USSR, de Novo. He is a megalomaniac.

The economic consequences for Ireland UK will be very serious.

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"Going to wait now for the anti vax experts / covid deniers to become foreign policy, military strategy experts with a healthy dose of claiming what's going in the Ukraine isn't real. "

There too busy becoming millionaires by betting on the collapse of Moderna and Pfizer share price ....

Who cares about Ukraine . It's Russia West now ...

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By *tophateMan
over a year ago

leeds

Wrong

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By *tophateMan
over a year ago

leeds

Hilter and putin as not the same

Learn your world war 2 history and all these problems come form then

With nato /USA pushing east all the time Russia isn’t happy

It’s Germany who invade Russian last and the British ( as usual) before that.

You can only push a bear so far.

And everyone calling people nazis or hilter all the time when they have no clue of that real meaning

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Was wondering the sanctions on Russia why haven't any sanctions been imposed on Belarus as well as its being used as a base for the invasion as well ???

Sanctions are joke,won't change thing

I m affraid Amricans fucked up this one big time and provoke this war as every other and now Ukrianians are left on their own

So sad for inocent ppl who believed Nato and Americans going to help them

The Americans just reported the Russian troops buildup as it happened. They have been proved right. Unfortunately neither nato nor the US ever said they would put troops on the ground. They just hoped to outflank Putin by putting the upcoming invasion in the media. It obviously didn't do much good in the end. Putin just lied and lied right until he crossed the border.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Strange. Most of the people who said it wouldn't happen, it's the new fear porn etc etc are gone awful quiet in the last few days.

Very sad day though.

Not a real war? Hmmm tell that to the families of the border guards and soldiers who have died so far or to the kids who had to say goodbye to their parents as they feld to a safe zone. As for the capital not being levelled the Russians more then likely want it as intact as possible so they can use it. Plenty of videos online of bombings and airstrikes too. But hey it's all fear porn according to you

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

A few unusual things about this invasion.

The russians didn't destroy the communications infrastructure before the attack.

The russians can attack, but once they seize the country, how can they hold it? There are 44 million people in Ukraine.

An army of occupation is vulnerable to counterattack by Ukrainian s, anyone with a weapon.

Best case scenario, Ukrainian government will be replaced by a puppet government reporting to Moscow. In the next few days.

USA, Nato.... Your move.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Ukraine will have wage an Guerilla war against the Russians. It's been proven time and time again that Guerilla tactics out last traditional standing armies. Hopefully the west gets its fingers out and does more than sanctions against a small percentage of Russians.

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

I feel empathy for the families of all conscripts, both Ukrainian and Russian whose young sons are fighting for something they understand little about. It's all so senseless.

The sooner that psychopath drops dead of a heart attack the better because I don't think anyone would have the balls to try to take him out.

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By *elfast_man100Man
over a year ago

Belfast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when absolute power and the duplicity of unaccountable elites coincide .

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow

"Sorry Crimea not Chrimea

How many has the US invaded!

Russia is not going to invade the urakine!

Bump this thread in 1 or 2 years time and you will see they haven't. "

Bump, over to you Nancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin has a gang of chechan hardmen roaming Kiev looking for zekensky and his family, he will be killed and a kremlin backed puppet regime will be installed, its not all out war they have a clear objective, this has been in the planning for years

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

Zekensy is gonna surrender and sign a "peace deal "

It will all be over soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes m very sad. God bless those that are caught up in this tragedy . Lilred x

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By *ildmovementMan
over a year ago

south Central

Russian soldiers defecting, and talk of a coo to oust Putin. Is it even possible?

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

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By *rauntonbananaMan
over a year ago

Braunton

Putin’s days are numbered.. will be overthrown by the end of March

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin’s days are numbered.. will be overthrown by the end of March

Kievan Rus (ancient Ukraine) was the beginning of medieval Moscovia (the fuckers even stole the name Rus) as it was founded by Kievan Prince and by the looks of it, modern day Ukraine will be the end of Moscovia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kremlin midget bit more than he could chew. He should've known not to fuck with Ukraine

Glory to the Heroes, dead and living!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin’s days are numbered.. will be overthrown by the end of March "

Who will overthrow him?

He's president for life, the right people are backing him up

Look what happened to navalny, nobody would dare go against him again

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Putin’s days are numbered.. will be overthrown by the end of March

Doing your own bit of propaganda...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doing your own bit of propaganda...

Not one bit.. Just an observeration based on actual facts and historical research

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Doing your own bit of propaganda...

Not one bit.. Just an observeration based on actual facts and historical research

Kievan Rus' covered an area streching over parts of todays Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, from Novgorod down to Kiev. The Rus' were (swedish) Vikings settled in Novgorod (Russia) and expanded their reign southwards to Kiev and further with Kiev becoming the 'capital'. No name stealing involved but yes the name Belarus and Russia goes back to the Rus'.

My bit of research...

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By *ocketman99Man
over a year ago

fermanagh

The likelihood of Putin being overthrown especially over this is extremely small and something he’ll not be too worried about.

To instil a coup you need the military to instigate it and someone to fill the immediate power vacuum. Putin knows this and that’s why his generals, ministers, key officials in key positions would be loyal to him.

‘Reports’ of a few soldiers handing over equivalent (if true) won’t bother him too much-!!

Support Putin or not one thing you must understand he is a master tactician.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"The likelihood of Putin being overthrown especially over this is extremely small and something he’ll not be too worried about.

‘Reports’ of a few soldiers handing over equivalent (if true) won’t bother him too much-!!

Support Putin or not one thing you must understand he is a master tactician.

The problem is when master tacticians start thinking they are master tacticians and can't be beaten. Arrogance is nearly always their downfall.

At the moment it's difficult not to think Putin has tried to bite off more then he can chew.

I fully expected him to push into Donbass and leave it at that. A full invasion just seems very hard to justify from a tactical point of view tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Doing your own bit of propaganda...

My bit of research...

Great... history is fascinating, isn't it

and while you're at it, check who and when changed moscovia to rus/russia

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By *ocketman99Man
over a year ago

fermanagh

Firstly you might see on news outlets fighting on the streets of Kiev. Russian forces have invaded vast parts of Ukraine so the notion that they aren’t capable of a total invasion is completely incorrect.

To dispose of Putin will prove extremely unlikely. Like I said he has people completely loyal to him in real positions of power and no opposition to fill a vacuum if he was disposed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russian forces have invaded vast parts of Ukraine so the notion that they aren’t capable of a total invasion is completely incorrect.

Bodies of burnt ruskis, their Grads, BTRs, KA50s, MIGs, SU, etc are all over those parts of Ukraine they tried to invade...

Just one advice, don't watch fucking RT

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By *ublinguy99Man
over a year ago

Dublin South

Impressive knowledge of Russian militaria

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By *ocketman99Man
over a year ago

fermanagh

Actually I’ve picked that up from the BBC. Apparently the Russians have much more personnel and equipment in reserve, now that’s what the BBC are saying, anyways.

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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"Firstly you might see on news outlets fighting on the streets of Kiev. Russian forces have invaded vast parts of Ukraine so the notion that they aren’t capable of a total invasion is completely incorrect.

To dispose of Putin will prove extremely unlikely. Like I said he has people completely loyal to him in real positions of power and no opposition to fill a vacuum if he was disposed. "

I don't think anyone has argued they aren't able for total invasion. But that's massively different to a total occupation.

It's already looking like a failure for Putin. He's isolated Russia in a way that hasn't been seen before in a long time. He's dealing with anti war protests across Russia. He's isolated his successful and rich friends. And for what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More than anything, that rat is humiliated. His "super army' turned out to be not so super after all. Ruskis are defecting, abandon their tanks and ammunition or get fried up. He must be seething with hatred in his bunker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But.

Where has Nancy gone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sticking with that opinion?

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

"But.

Where has Nancy gone?"

Hiding in my underground bunker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But.

Where has Nancy gone?

Hiding in my underground bunker

Good woman

You can come out now. Sur it's just banter and opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to wait now for the anti vax experts / covid deniers to become foreign policy, military strategy experts with a healthy dose of claiming what's going in the Ukraine isn't real. "

Say to say but told ya so.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The Swedish government has been aware for years of an escalating threat from Russia/Putin and has been making preparations to defend itself through the reintroduction of military conscription.

Annexation by invasion of the Baltic States of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia is a possibility.

Historically, the Russians can be repulsed by good planning and a trained army: Finland successfully beat the Russians in the Winter War, of, I think, 1940.

But the Russian army had been depleted by Stalin's purges, caused by his acute conspiratorial mind, that saw the deaths of thousands of officers.

Dangerous times.

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By *hyeyesMan
over a year ago

meath

"More than anything, that rat is humiliated. His "super army' turned out to be not so super after all. Ruskis are defecting, abandon their tanks and ammunition or get fried up. He must be seething with hatred in his bunker

Putin is very clever

The Ukrainians are after shooting there load ...

Now the Russian invasion starts properly which will result in a regime change

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

Putin is very clever

The Ukrainians are after shooting there load ...

Now the Russian invasion starts properly which will result in a regime change "

I would imagine the Ukrainians are only getting started in defending their country

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

I'm listening to Russian radio right now.

They're telling their people:

Zelenkij is a Nazi.

Ukrainians are killing their own people and are bombing their own civilian sites, so they can cry wolf and get more countries to impose sanctions.

Russians are bombing strictly military objects.

Ukraine is the one that's threatening Russians with nuclear weapons, so Russians have no choice, but continue full force.

One of the apartment block bombings wasn't a bombing at all - air conditioner blew up.

Can't make this shit up.

Soviet Union all over again - cut out the outside world and feed the people pure propaganda.

I wonder how many Russians actually know what is really happening.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Id imagine social media will help the ordinary people in both countries to understand whats actually going on

Does Russia block sites like Google or can people hear and see a free press

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putin is very clever

The Ukrainians are after shooting there load ...

Now the Russian invasion starts properly which will result in a regime change

I would imagine the Ukrainians are only getting started in defending their country

When the Russians have to start clearing each building in the cities you will see there casualty rates climb rapidly

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"Id imagine social media will help the ordinary people in both countries to understand whats actually going on

Does Russia block sites like Google or can people hear and see a free press "

Over last 2+ years anyone who got any information off sites like Google, free press or shared stuff on social media all over the world have been labelled to be a loopy conspiracy theorist.

Any regular every day people will not want to be labelled that, so they will listen to their radios and watch news on TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm listening to Russian radio right now.

They're telling their people:

Zelenkij is a Nazi.

Ukrainians are killing their own people and are bombing their own civilian sites, so they can cry wolf and get more countries to impose sanctions.

Russians are bombing strictly military objects.

Ukraine is the one that's threatening Russians with nuclear weapons, so Russians have no choice, but continue full force.

One of the apartment block bombings wasn't a bombing at all - air conditioner blew up.

Can't make this shit up.

Soviet Union all over again - cut out the outside world and feed the people pure propaganda.

I wonder how many Russians actually know what is really happening. "

I'm not anti Russian far from it I think parts of Ukraine are more Russian than Russia itself especially the east but everything that was said there is bullshit with a capital B, Zelsnsky is actually Jewish not a nazi , Ukraine don't have nuclear weapons so that's also a non runner and as for sticking to military targets if only they did, have seen numerous videos of civilians being blown to pieces in kharkiv, also being opened fire on as they are driving, 1 harrowing video of a father and son with their 2 German shepherds driving in their van when they were opened fire upon, the father and 1 of the dogs died instantly, it will get worse before it gets better

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"I'm listening to Russian radio right now.

They're telling their people:

Zelenkij is a Nazi.

Ukrainians are killing their own people and are bombing their own civilian sites, so they can cry wolf and get more countries to impose sanctions.

Russians are bombing strictly military objects.

Ukraine is the one that's threatening Russians with nuclear weapons, so Russians have no choice, but continue full force.

One of the apartment block bombings wasn't a bombing at all - air conditioner blew up.

Can't make this shit up.

Soviet Union all over again - cut out the outside world and feed the people pure propaganda.

I wonder how many Russians actually know what is really happening.

Please, I don't need explanations or arguments, I'm simply sharing what Russian media is telling Russian people which is also a valuable point of view when one tries to figure out how russians themselves can live with what they are doing by following orders.

I was born in soviet Union and grew up in post soviet country.

I know first hand what Russians are capable of when it comes to war crimes.

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

Also their media is using post soviet hatred towards Russians as one of the reasons for their actions.

Hatred is still very much there - I've been called a foreigner, ruski, told to go back to fucking Rusland(never even been to Russia itself lol) and many more horrible things all my life growing up in a post soviet country that I, my parents as well as grandparents were born and lived their whole lives in.

I have met Russian refugees from Kazakhstan here in Belfast. Over there Kazakhs chase away and even kill one's who were born there with a Russian name.

All post soviet countries have a bad relationship with anyone who lives there with a Russian name, some are civil, some not.

Russia is using this attitude to gain it's people's support and it's likely one of reasons why they don't take initiative to overthrow the tyrant.

I am NOT defending what is happening. Its an awful tragedy and shouldn't be happening in this day and age.

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