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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city

so....over the Christmas a friend got unsolicited dick pics. I thought about it over a couple of days. I've come to the conclusion it's a sex crime that should be prosecutable. in the same light as flashing. thoughts?

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By *wingleton82Man
over a year ago

dublin


"so....over the Christmas a friend got unsolicited dick pics. I thought about it over a couple of days. I've come to the conclusion it's a sex crime that should be prosecutable. in the same light as flashing. thoughts?"

You said it should be prosecutable but i reckon it is and as you put it it would be considered the same as flashing

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

If she got them on FB possibly.

If she got them on Fab possibly not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my view the conversation beforehand should be looked at. Were they talking for a while, sexting .....or was it just a strange number they had never seen before and didnt know the other person. Because you can't determine the mood of the other person through a text. Maybe a misread situation

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"If she got them on FB possibly.

If she got them on Fab possibly not. "

well to be fair. the medium should not matter. that's like saying she was dressed for it.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"If she got them on FB possibly.

If she got them on Fab possibly not.

well to be fair. the medium should not matter. that's like saying she was dressed for it. "

Those are your words not mine.

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"In my view the conversation beforehand should be looked at. Were they talking for a while, sexting .....or was it just a strange number they had never seen before and didnt know the other person. Because you can't determine the mood of the other person through a text. Maybe a misread situation"

no..number exchange at a bar. pics when sent before she woke the next morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The primary purpose of “Coco’s Law” is to amend the law and to create new offences in relation to harassment and harmful communication, both online and offline. This Bill has provided for two new offences dealing with the non-consensual distribution of intimate images. This Bill defines an “intimate image” as any visual representation, made by any means,

a. of the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

b. of the underwear covering the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

c. in which the person is nude;

d. in which the person is engaged in sexual activity.

Section 2 of this Bill creates the new offence that will address the distribution or publication of an intimate image without consent, with intent to cause harm to the victim. This offence has successfully criminalised the distribution or publication of an intimate image without the consent of the person who is the subject of the image. To be liable to this offence the person who distributes or publishes the image must have intended to cause harm or been reckless as to whether these acts would seriously interfere with the peace and privacy of the other person. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are up to 7 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Section 3 provides for an offence of recording, distributing or publishing an intimate image without consent. This is a strict liability offence as there is no requirement to prove an intention to cause harm. The maximum penalty for this offence on summary conviction is 12 months imprisonment and/or a €5,000 fine.

Under this Bill it will also be an offence to threaten to distribute or publish an intimate image. Section 4 of this Bill will criminalise the once-off sending of a threatening or grossly offensive message where the person who is sending the message or communication intends to cause harm to the person who is the recipient of the message. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are 2 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Coco’s Law is a welcomed piece of legislation as the distribution of intimate images and incidents of online harassment has increased significantly in recent years. This Bill has rightfully criminalised these actions and now permits An Garda Síochána and the Courts to prosecute those who commit this abusive crime.

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"If she got them on FB possibly.

If she got them on Fab possibly not.

well to be fair. the medium should not matter. that's like saying she was dressed for it.

Those are your words not mine. "

oh i know dude. just sharing a my view on it buddy. not trying to put words in your mouth

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"The primary purpose of “Coco’s Law” is to amend the law and to create new offences in relation to harassment and harmful communication, both online and offline. This Bill has provided for two new offences dealing with the non-consensual distribution of intimate images. This Bill defines an “intimate image” as any visual representation, made by any means,

a. of the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

b. of the underwear covering the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

c. in which the person is nude;

d. in which the person is engaged in sexual activity.

Section 2 of this Bill creates the new offence that will address the distribution or publication of an intimate image without consent, with intent to cause harm to the victim. This offence has successfully criminalised the distribution or publication of an intimate image without the consent of the person who is the subject of the image. To be liable to this offence the person who distributes or publishes the image must have intended to cause harm or been reckless as to whether these acts would seriously interfere with the peace and privacy of the other person. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are up to 7 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Section 3 provides for an offence of recording, distributing or publishing an intimate image without consent. This is a strict liability offence as there is no requirement to prove an intention to cause harm. The maximum penalty for this offence on summary conviction is 12 months imprisonment and/or a €5,000 fine.

Under this Bill it will also be an offence to threaten to distribute or publish an intimate image. Section 4 of this Bill will criminalise the once-off sending of a threatening or grossly offensive message where the person who is sending the message or communication intends to cause harm to the person who is the recipient of the message. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are 2 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Coco’s Law is a welcomed piece of legislation as the distribution of intimate images and incidents of online harassment has increased significantly in recent years. This Bill has rightfully criminalised these actions and now permits An Garda Síochána and the Courts to prosecute those who commit this abusive crime."

thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my view the conversation beforehand should be looked at. Were they talking for a while, sexting .....or was it just a strange number they had never seen before and didnt know the other person. Because you can't determine the mood of the other person through a text. Maybe a misread situation

no..number exchange at a bar. pics when sent before she woke the next morning"

Well then that In my view would be sexual harassment

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city

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By * la carteCouple
over a year ago

Dublin


"The primary purpose of “Coco’s Law” is to amend the law and to create new offences in relation to harassment and harmful communication, both online and offline. This Bill has provided for two new offences dealing with the non-consensual distribution of intimate images. This Bill defines an “intimate image” as any visual representation, made by any means,

a. of the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

b. of the underwear covering the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

c. in which the person is nude;

d. in which the person is engaged in sexual activity.

Section 2 of this Bill creates the new offence that will address the distribution or publication of an intimate image without consent, with intent to cause harm to the victim. This offence has successfully criminalised the distribution or publication of an intimate image without the consent of the person who is the subject of the image. To be liable to this offence the person who distributes or publishes the image must have intended to cause harm or been reckless as to whether these acts would seriously interfere with the peace and privacy of the other person. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are up to 7 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Section 3 provides for an offence of recording, distributing or publishing an intimate image without consent. This is a strict liability offence as there is no requirement to prove an intention to cause harm. The maximum penalty for this offence on summary conviction is 12 months imprisonment and/or a €5,000 fine.

Under this Bill it will also be an offence to threaten to distribute or publish an intimate image. Section 4 of this Bill will criminalise the once-off sending of a threatening or grossly offensive message where the person who is sending the message or communication intends to cause harm to the person who is the recipient of the message. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are 2 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Coco’s Law is a welcomed piece of legislation as the distribution of intimate images and incidents of online harassment has increased significantly in recent years. This Bill has rightfully criminalised these actions and now permits An Garda Síochána and the Courts to prosecute those who commit this abusive crime.

thank you. "

That's interesting to read. I wonder how easy to get a conviction though for the explained situation above. Because really how is the " intent to harm" going to be established in a court of law. Is the mere fact it was unsolicited enough? Or can even that be established as a fact? Because if phone numbers were exchanged, how do you really know what was part of the conversation?

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out"

wow...very counter productive practice of them. considering a mobile phone is a vital life tool since 2000

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast


"If she got them on FB possibly.

If she got them on Fab possibly not.

well to be fair. the medium should not matter. that's like saying she was dressed for it.

Those are your words not mine.

oh i know dude. just sharing a my view on it buddy. not trying to put words in your mouth"

My point was that yes it's a stupid thing to do and in the case you then described I agree it is harassment and would be if the pics were sent to someone in FB as well.

The difference in a site like this, regardless of people's expectations when they join there are all sorts if issues that would muddy a prosecution.

One virtually anonymous persona with intimate public images on their profile sending unsolicited pics to another virtually anonymous persona with intimate public images on their profile also. On a site where for every person who dislikes dick pics in their inbox is another who actively encourages them.

Site rules would have to be changed completely.

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By * la carteCouple
over a year ago

Dublin


"I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out

wow...very counter productive practice of them. considering a mobile phone is a vital life tool since 2000"

Plenty of people with plenty of very personal and sensitive information on phones, between banking and photos etc...who wants to hand that over to anyone?!

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out

wow...very counter productive practice of them. considering a mobile phone is a vital life tool since 2000

Plenty of people with plenty of very personal and sensitive information on phones, between banking and photos etc...who wants to hand that over to anyone?!"

exactly. that shit protocol needs to be amended

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By * la carteCouple
over a year ago

Dublin


"I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out

wow...very counter productive practice of them. considering a mobile phone is a vital life tool since 2000

Plenty of people with plenty of very personal and sensitive information on phones, between banking and photos etc...who wants to hand that over to anyone?!

exactly. that shit protocol needs to be amended"

Privacy is gone out the window in today's digital climate.

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"I reported some stuff sent to my mobile to the local station

The Guards told me they needed to keep my phone if I made it official and filled in paperwork

They said it had to be put into evidence for up to 3 years and they needed my pass words

I walked out

wow...very counter productive practice of them. considering a mobile phone is a vital life tool since 2000

Plenty of people with plenty of very personal and sensitive information on phones, between banking and photos etc...who wants to hand that over to anyone?!

exactly. that shit protocol needs to be amended

Privacy is gone out the window in today's digital climate."

lol...for the love of zombie jesus....dont get me started

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The primary purpose of “Coco’s Law” is to amend the law and to create new offences in relation to harassment and harmful communication, both online and offline. This Bill has provided for two new offences dealing with the non-consensual distribution of intimate images. This Bill defines an “intimate image” as any visual representation, made by any means,

a. of the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

b. of the underwear covering the person’s genitals, buttocks or anal region and, in the case of a female, her breasts;

c. in which the person is nude;

d. in which the person is engaged in sexual activity.

Section 2 of this Bill creates the new offence that will address the distribution or publication of an intimate image without consent, with intent to cause harm to the victim. This offence has successfully criminalised the distribution or publication of an intimate image without the consent of the person who is the subject of the image. To be liable to this offence the person who distributes or publishes the image must have intended to cause harm or been reckless as to whether these acts would seriously interfere with the peace and privacy of the other person. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are up to 7 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Section 3 provides for an offence of recording, distributing or publishing an intimate image without consent. This is a strict liability offence as there is no requirement to prove an intention to cause harm. The maximum penalty for this offence on summary conviction is 12 months imprisonment and/or a €5,000 fine.

Under this Bill it will also be an offence to threaten to distribute or publish an intimate image. Section 4 of this Bill will criminalise the once-off sending of a threatening or grossly offensive message where the person who is sending the message or communication intends to cause harm to the person who is the recipient of the message. The maximum penalties for this offence for conviction on indictment are 2 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

Coco’s Law is a welcomed piece of legislation as the distribution of intimate images and incidents of online harassment has increased significantly in recent years. This Bill has rightfully criminalised these actions and now permits An Garda Síochána and the Courts to prosecute those who commit this abusive crime.

thank you.

That's interesting to read. I wonder how easy to get a conviction though for the explained situation above. Because really how is the " intent to harm" going to be established in a court of law. Is the mere fact it was unsolicited enough? Or can even that be established as a fact? Because if phone numbers were exchanged, how do you really know what was part of the conversation?"

With harassment it has to be over a length of time, can't be just a once off. Again will be hard to prove but the law is needed, the abuse that some people have had to endure is unreal.

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


" With harassment it has to be over a length of time, can't be just a once off. Again will be hard to prove but the law is needed, the abuse that some people have had to endure is unreal. "

hence my question as having it under the same laws as flashing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" With harassment it has to be over a length of time, can't be just a once off. Again will be hard to prove but the law is needed, the abuse that some people have had to endure is unreal.

hence my question as having it under the same laws as flashing "

If it was just a once off probably not worth the hassle of giving up the phone etc, she could report it anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could he have sent the pics to the wrong number? Is it still considered a crime if it was accidental/unintentional?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Could he have sent the pics to the wrong number? Is it still considered a crime if it was accidental/unintentional? "

How do you prove or unprove it

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"Could he have sent the pics to the wrong number? Is it still considered a crime if it was accidental/unintentional?

How do you prove or unprove it "

one pic maybe...but multiple angles is a give away lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a quick glance at the flashing law there and with my expert legal mind (every season of law and order watched and a little ally mcbeal) I can't see it being convicted under that wording either.

Unless you could prove the intent was to cause distress and or fear or that someone's message inbox can be deemed a public place.

However all the outdoor sex fantasies on here could be.

Absolute minefield.

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By *lose_encounter OP   Man
over a year ago

Cork city


"Having a quick glance at the flashing law there and with my expert legal mind (every season of law and order watched and a little ally mcbeal) I can't see it being convicted under that wording either.

Unless you could prove the intent was to cause distress and or fear or that someone's message inbox can be deemed a public place.

However all the outdoor sex fantasies on here could be.

Absolute minefield.

"

i was unsure to. however I think it should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having a quick glance at the flashing law there and with my expert legal mind (every season of law and order watched and a little ally mcbeal) I can't see it being convicted under that wording either.

Unless you could prove the intent was to cause distress and or fear or that someone's message inbox can be deemed a public place.

However all the outdoor sex fantasies on here could be.

Absolute minefield.

i was unsure to. however I think it should. "

It will probably get its own law or be added onto something like cocos law eventually.

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By *yandbumCouple
over a year ago

nextdoor


"so....over the Christmas a friend got unsolicited dick pics. I thought about it over a couple of days. I've come to the conclusion it's a sex crime that should be prosecutable. in the same light as flashing. thoughts?"

Were they ugly dick pics or beautiful dick pics?

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By *on Draper2.0Man
over a year ago

Maynooth

If making someone look at your dick without their consent is to be considered a crime then having one as your profile picture is also one no? It's there and if you message them at all, they cannot avoid it. This is Fab, you know what you're getting into when you sign up. I'm n I t saying it's right to send someone a pic like that unless they ask but......if you're on here, it's irritating at worst and at best, helps you make the decision on whether to engage or block.

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By *he MickMan
over a year ago

southside

On a sex site , expect a dick pic and move the fuck on

Hardly a crime , if you don't like it , leave the site .

Just my opinion

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork


"so....over the Christmas a friend got unsolicited dick pics. I thought about it over a couple of days. I've come to the conclusion it's a sex crime that should be prosecutable. in the same light as flashing. thoughts?"

As above the crux of this is proving the intent of the person who sent it. It probably *should* be illegal otherwise...but is not.

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