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"First messages that say... "Can I ask you something?" " Yes, get this alot. Hate it. | |||
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"First messages that say... "Can I ask you something?" " Best reply to this is you just did. 9 times out of ten they'll just feck off. | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. " It's healthier to respect someone else's right to choose who they want to interact with, rather than attempting manipulation. These tactics say a lot about what kind of person is initiating. | |||
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"Ones that claim you have chatted/met before but you haven’t a notion who they are " +1 Sometimes they literally act like we were already mid conversation, when we never interacted before. | |||
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"Just pick up any newspaper . You will find plenty of manipulative rubbish. Politicians promise the world in their manifestoes for re election and guess what...they rarely follw through." If we extend this out of fab it’s everywhere . Commercials especially . Multinational organisations advertising themselves as if they’re your mate . Dairy milk family bars are far more likely to rot your teeth than make your lonely neighbour feel less so btw | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!" Hey, don't knock my entertainment - I need him  | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!"
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot"That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop . And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads "There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. "there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself ! | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself ! "I never even read yours so please don't think I was having a pop at you. I just read his. | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot"I think I see the honey pot you are talking about in the distance ! | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself ! "I think that’s fair enough yes | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself !
I never even read yours so please don't think I was having a pop at you. I just read his."hard to read without reading | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself !
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads "Absolutely, and those who don't like certain treads always have the option to stay away or to post to stir a bit. | |||
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"handle or control (a tool, mechanism, information, etc.) in a skilful manner. "he manipulated the dials of the set" Similar: operate handle work control use employ utilize 2. control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly or unscrupulously. "the masses were deceived and manipulated by a tiny group" It’s when unscrupulous that it’s a problem. For example if you had no genuine interest what people’s experiences were of manipulative PMs or interactions , and were only starting a thread to get laid " In that sense the forum is more "opportunistic", which again can have negative connotations. It's really about "in the eyes of the beholder". If you get enjoyment out of using the forum as a means of getting to know others and putting yourself out there, great. If it's a chore, well, maybe not for you. As for where the original post is concerned and the message "do you still want to go for coffee" even though there was no prior conversation in that regard - this might be seen as manipulative in a negative manner by some, by others as the mere attempt of flirtation - no? | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot"honey pot mmmmmm  | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
That’s correct and very perceptive . One thread a day most days . I don’t know if it’s manipulative . Maybe it is . It’s not a purposeful strategy . There are days when I don’t plan on doing one then I look at the threads and none of them interest me so I start one . Obviously if several consecutive ones tank then I ll stop .
And there is nothing stopping anyone else doing several weekly threads
There's no law against posting threads. Post as many as you like as far as I'm concerned. If they get no response, they get no response, but that is what these forums are about. there is a rule against taking over the forum actually but it was not the intention behind my comment ,it was more in regards if we gonna point at someone or a group of people of using manipulative language to get a desire result; One most hold the mirror to oneself !
I never even read yours so please don't think I was having a pop at you. I just read his. hard to read without reading "Yet I managed to do it. | |||
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"In fairness to the OP posting threads. They are usually entertaining and as above . If you dont want to post a comment, you dont have to." 20 quid in the post as discussed | |||
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"In fairness to the OP posting threads. They are usually entertaining and as above . If you dont want to post a comment, you dont have to. 20 quid in the post as discussed " €50 you tight fucker | |||
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"Eh, most human interaction involves manipulation at some level, it's more about malicious intent in my book. " Is attempting to fuck someone malicious intent? | |||
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"Eh, most human interaction involves manipulation at some level, it's more about malicious intent in my book. Is attempting to fuck someone malicious intent? " If its to persuade someone into something they are hesitant about (or have already declined) , then what would you call it? | |||
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"Everything on fab is about manipulation and is about people trying to shape and influence other people to do what they want. The most common example is that people manipulate people to change their profiles and behaviour. Then those people who change their profiles are then trying to manipulate people into meeting/messaging them. You gotta fake it, to make it. "I tend to agree with you on one point. There is so much fakery and bull coming from people now that someone who is open and straight up about themselves is automatically assumed to be lying somehow. The fakers do make it, then they are rumbled, close the profile, open another one and go faking once again. | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. It's healthier to respect someone else's right to choose who they want to interact with, rather than attempting manipulation. These tactics say a lot about what kind of person is initiating." I agree however manipulative people are everywhere | |||
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"Are you hijacking the forum ? Every second post you are the Op ... manipulate or what? !!!
He borrows a lot from the launch to spread it generously on the Irish forum, it's Christmas after all.
Anyhow many ways to draw attention and we all use some ways of verbal manipulation to stir the ship around cliffs of the fab sea or to get to the honey pot
honey pot mmmmmm "Some are easily manipulated but be careful you might it a fur burger rather than a honey pot... | |||
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I could have rolled my eyes and got in a tizzy - particularly as we had never had any previous contact with that profile so "thanks for your interest" was definitely a form of manipulation, trying it on, possibly trying to play one part of the couple off against the other. We definitely didn't message (or wink or friend request that profile - not the kind of profile we'd approach, not the way we'd approach a profile either). So a single man in the guise of a couple trying it on when we clearly have single men blocked and state that we are looking for couples and ladies.
I had a chuckle at the effort and responded in the context of "really, funny I can't see a history of messages or winking at you on your profile (which would show on that profile for any of you who are unaware) and just politely sent him on his way. He thanked me and off he went.
Note made on the profile because I'm sure he'll try it again
But why get in a knot about it? These messages are not abusive or derogatory - a large percentage of people are here to meet others. Some cohorts have a tougher time getting in there than others. Some will use more manipulative means to get what they are looking for. Some of those means can be ingenious, in fairness | |||
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"Honestly can't believe some of these posts. How about using the word abusive instead of manipulative? Would that change things?" Manipulation is all around us.. The world wouldn't function without it.. Empire's have been built upon it.. | |||
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"First messages that say... "Can I ask you something?" " Instant delete and depending on profile pic possible block, soooo creepy | |||
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"Honestly can't believe some of these posts. How about using the word abusive instead of manipulative? Would that change things?" BIG difference between manipulative and abusive!!! Big difference, especially if it's in the context of "are you interested in a coffee" or "are you STILL interested in a coffee" or the like as the original post explains. | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. " What I'm getting from that is that you crave any sort of response regardless of whether it's negative or positive which is something we've noticed about some first approach texts, some can be extremely pushy and quite aggressive and obviously sent to instigate any sort of response or conversation, very very odd indeed | |||
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"Honestly can't believe some of these posts. How about using the word abusive instead of manipulative? Would that change things? Manipulation is all around us.. The world wouldn't function without it.. Empire's have been built upon it.. " Is that seriously a justification? "Honestly can't believe some of these posts. How about using the word abusive instead of manipulative? Would that change things? BIG difference between manipulative and abusive!!! Big difference, especially if it's in the context of "are you interested in a coffee" or "are you STILL interested in a coffee" or the like as the original post explains. " That situation as described isn't manipulative. But there isn't a difference between manipulation and abuse, or at least one is a subset of the other. If you think there's a meaningful difference, can you explain? | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. What I'm getting from that is that you crave any sort of response regardless of whether it's negative or positive which is something we've noticed about some first approach texts, some can be extremely pushy and quite aggressive and obviously sent to instigate any sort of response or conversation, very very odd indeed " Didn't say I sent manipulative messages whatever they are.. If it works for some then so be it.. Think this thread is just another example of snowflake generation venting its fury.. I mean how could someone feel manipulated from a message.. Snowflake generation | |||
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"Lost my fucking keys again. Anyone see them?" Thréad carefully this could be construed as a manipulative question.. Think of the consequences of asking such a question.. You might offend people who have a perpetual fear of keys.. | |||
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" How about using the word abusive instead of manipulative? Would that change things? BIG difference between manipulative and abusive!!! Big difference, especially if it's in the context of "are you interested in a coffee" or "are you STILL interested in a coffee" or the like as the original post explains. That situation as described isn't manipulative. But there isn't a difference between manipulation and abuse, or at least one is a subset of the other. If you think there's a meaningful difference, can you explain?" The message content as I explained it there was in the original post and the original poster (who was a woman in the UK Forum) felt that she was being manipulated with the addition of the word "still" as she felt it implied that she had previously displayed interest which she categorically said she had not. Hence I was using her and her feelings as an example. And depending on what happened in that conversation, I don't believe you can clearly state that that message wasn't manipulative. But in the greater context, I would agree with you that manipulation can be a subset of abuse. As I have said in a number of my posts, the word manipulation comes with a negative connotation. And depending on the context I agree with you. I think all of us can safely say that we've been manipulated at some stage in our life. But I wouldn't necessarily think that everybody feels they've been abused at one point. Abuse is a step up from manipulation. Manipulation doesn't necessarily show ill intent towards the person being manipulated - in my opinion. | |||
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" Manipulation doesn't necessarily show ill intent towards the person being manipulated - in my opinion. " The context of this thread has been that's it's ok to trick people into getting what you want, namely sex. | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. What I'm getting from that is that you crave any sort of response regardless of whether it's negative or positive which is something we've noticed about some first approach texts, some can be extremely pushy and quite aggressive and obviously sent to instigate any sort of response or conversation, very very odd indeed Didn't say I sent manipulative messages whatever they are.. If it works for some then so be it.. Think this thread is just another example of snowflake generation venting its fury.. I mean how could someone feel manipulated from a message.. Snowflake generation" Lolol you said it was the only way to get a response and now you're saying they don't exist, hmmmmm interesting | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. What I'm getting from that is that you crave any sort of response regardless of whether it's negative or positive which is something we've noticed about some first approach texts, some can be extremely pushy and quite aggressive and obviously sent to instigate any sort of response or conversation, very very odd indeed Didn't say I sent manipulative messages whatever they are.. If it works for some then so be it.. Think this thread is just another example of snowflake generation venting its fury.. I mean how could someone feel manipulated from a message.. Snowflake generation Lolol you said it was the only way to get a response and now you're saying they don't exist, hmmmmm interesting " If someone feels manipulated from a message here then I question their presence on this site | |||
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"Sometimes manipulative language is the only way to get a response.. What I'm getting from that is that you crave any sort of response regardless of whether it's negative or positive which is something we've noticed about some first approach texts, some can be extremely pushy and quite aggressive and obviously sent to instigate any sort of response or conversation, very very odd indeed Didn't say I sent manipulative messages whatever they are.. If it works for some then so be it.. Think this thread is just another example of snowflake generation venting its fury.. I mean how could someone feel manipulated from a message.. Snowflake generation Lolol you said it was the only way to get a response and now you're saying they don't exist, hmmmmm interesting If someone feels manipulated from a message here then I question their presence on this site " Also worth saying that if someone was easily offended or overly sensitive and part of the "snowflake" generation probably not the best place for them either lol Sometimes people just take rejection badly | |||
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" Manipulation doesn't necessarily show ill intent towards the person being manipulated - in my opinion. The context of this thread has been that's it's ok to trick people into getting what you want, namely sex." That may be what you gather from the content of the thread. The original post was about using manipulative language. The example given was "still interested in coffee" as opposed to "interested in coffee". She felt manipulated. We don't factually know if he deliberately phrased his question as he did. The post asked to give examples where you may have felt linguistically manipulated within an online conversation (I actually gave an example of my own). At least that's how I remember it. I stuck with the overall topic of manipulative language which is a far cry from abuse or abusive language. I also believe that everybody has a different threshold where they feel they might be manipulated or abused. Like Cosmic Gate said, it's an online adult website. Who really gives a toss what a stranger throws into your inbox? But some are more vulnerable than others and we all have that one day where something might just rile us, another day it would leave us cold... And lots of us are here for sex. Ultimately a conversation will turn to "will we meet"... and hopefully for sex if we like each other. | |||
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"First messages that say... "Can I ask you something?" " I hate this one. It's an immediate block. The other first line I hate is "I can help you" as if being fucked by them is a cure for what ails me  | |||
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"I think it's fair to say the thread took a little turn after the OP, which was fairly innocuous in my opinion. Manipulating people isn't ok, and I'm surprised it's being justified." I agree with you that manipulation is not ok...yet you had a different interpretation of a situation the OP described as manipulative. Hence my previous post - perspective...she saw manipulation where you didn't. | |||
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"I think it's fair to say the thread took a little turn after the OP, which was fairly innocuous in my opinion. Manipulating people isn't ok, and I'm surprised it's being justified. I agree with you that manipulation is not ok...yet you had a different interpretation of a situation the OP described as manipulative. Hence my previous post - perspective...she saw manipulation where you didn't." Not really. As I said, the thread took a turn. People were saying you can't get anywhere without manipulating people, and that it's inherent to human interaction. | |||
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