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"I dont think they'll go ahead...more like unofficial ones where a few get together for drinks Companies will be afraid to get involved for insurance reasons " Yea this looks to be the case in our place altho we only have a wider team party for about 50 people organised by a couple of the team. Looks like work won't sanction that so the 2 people who normally organise it are basically gonna get numbers from the group and book somewhere as an 'unofficial' night out. Given they haven't even let us back in the office yet its unsurprising | |||
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Hey might even ask Santa for a party for four I've been a very good girl this year | |||
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Hey might even ask Santa for a party for four I've been a very good girl this year "Hang up your stockings and panties by the fire | |||
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"I could have been dreaming but i thought the official line was that organised partied could go ahead ,rather than unofficial gatherings" Both official and unofficial parties can legally go ahead. That doesn't mean they will or should go ahead | |||
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"I could have been dreaming but i thought the official line was that organised partied could go ahead ,rather than unofficial gatherings Both official and unofficial parties can legally go ahead. That doesn't mean they will or should go ahead " Some will don't you know. | |||
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"I could have been dreaming but i thought the official line was that organised partied could go ahead ,rather than unofficial gatherings Both official and unofficial parties can legally go ahead. That doesn't mean they will or should go ahead Some will don't you know." Of course.. and it's within employers rights to choose to organose parties or choose not to. | |||
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"You know what's actually so annoying all over papers with the government ius how they are pointing rhe finger at the people and their behaviours. It was the government who opened up and currently as numbers rise again are keeping it open. So basically people are just living again because it's open what happens after is actually out of people's control besides doing the usual masks washing hands etc. As for anti vaxers then people are blaming the mobility, it's just like a viciously cycle of the blame game. " ..but the hard facts are it is people and their behaviour that spread covid ..we've gotta learn to live with it by respecting it and sticking to the simple basic guidelines that have been there since day one | |||
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"I just think blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine is not going to getting anymone anywhere. This covid is here and here for good and while is it sorting itself out at the end of the day the book stops with the government in regards keeping people safe yes people can mind themselves as well of course by staying in but let's face it not to many will be doing that after almost two years with no life. Who's uo over the government for me it's a high power. Have a good day everyone. " Covid is definitely not sorting itself out. Its peoole that do that by making good choices. Choices to wear masks, to be vaccinated, to wash hands, to follow the advice of the experts who are following the data and best practice. That's the way to beat it. The government can issue guidelines, but this is ENTIRELY in the hands of the ordinary folk to limit the spread and the damage that's done. You're right its not going away. This phase is about damage limitation and restriction of transmission. The genie isn't going back in the lamp. | |||
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"I just think blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine is not going to getting anymone anywhere. This covid is here and here for good and while is it sorting itself out at the end of the day the book stops with the government in regards keeping people safe yes people can mind themselves as well of course by staying in but let's face it not to many will be doing that after almost two years with no life. Who's uo over the government for me it's a high power. Have a good day everyone. Covid is definitely not sorting itself out. Its peoole that do that by making good choices. Choices to wear masks, to be vaccinated, to wash hands, to follow the advice of the experts who are following the data and best practice. That's the way to beat it. The government can issue guidelines, but this is ENTIRELY in the hands of the ordinary folk to limit the spread and the damage that's done. You're right its not going away. This phase is about damage limitation and restriction of transmission. The genie isn't going back in the lamp." Yes but realistically not everyone is going to follows rules(made to be broken right lol) and tbh i do see most are following(even on the streets) but then yes i definitely see places not using the masks at all. One particular cafe not one mask the other day, i was the only one. But it's totally out of people's control as only the government have the powers to shut. No one can force people to follow guidelines hence why they are only guidelines. | |||
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"I just think blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine is not going to getting anymone anywhere. This covid is here and here for good and while is it sorting itself out at the end of the day the book stops with the government in regards keeping people safe yes people can mind themselves as well of course by staying in but let's face it not to many will be doing that after almost two years with no life. Who's uo over the government for me it's a high power. Have a good day everyone. Covid is definitely not sorting itself out. Its peoole that do that by making good choices. Choices to wear masks, to be vaccinated, to wash hands, to follow the advice of the experts who are following the data and best practice. That's the way to beat it. The government can issue guidelines, but this is ENTIRELY in the hands of the ordinary folk to limit the spread and the damage that's done. You're right its not going away. This phase is about damage limitation and restriction of transmission. The genie isn't going back in the lamp. Yes but realistically not everyone is going to follows rules(made to be broken right lol) and tbh i do see most are following(even on the streets) but then yes i definitely see places not using the masks at all. One particular cafe not one mask the other day, i was the only one. But it's totally out of people's control as only the government have the powers to shut. No one can force people to follow guidelines hence why they are only guidelines. " 
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"I just think blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine is not going to getting anymone anywhere. This covid is here and here for good and while is it sorting itself out at the end of the day the book stops with the government in regards keeping people safe yes people can mind themselves as well of course by staying in but let's face it not to many will be doing that after almost two years with no life. Who's uo over the government for me it's a high power. Have a good day everyone. Covid is definitely not sorting itself out. Its peoole that do that by making good choices. Choices to wear masks, to be vaccinated, to wash hands, to follow the advice of the experts who are following the data and best practice. That's the way to beat it. The government can issue guidelines, but this is ENTIRELY in the hands of the ordinary folk to limit the spread and the damage that's done. You're right its not going away. This phase is about damage limitation and restriction of transmission. The genie isn't going back in the lamp. Yes but realistically not everyone is going to follows rules(made to be broken right lol) and tbh i do see most are following(even on the streets) but then yes i definitely see places not using the masks at all. One particular cafe not one mask the other day, i was the only one. But it's totally out of people's control as only the government have the powers to shut. No one can force people to follow guidelines hence why they are only guidelines. " Do you not get it?? Rules made to be broken!! The majority are trying to do the right thing to prevent people from getting sick or ending up in hospital and you think that this is maybe an opportunity to fight the state just for the crack!! | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? " It's the poor compliance rate I think. Too many not following the rules. Other countries are a lot more vigilant. Its the "sure it'll be grand" attitude. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? " ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? It's the poor compliance rate I think. Too many not following the rules. Other countries are a lot more vigilant. Its the "sure it'll be grand" attitude." It tells you the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. The whole covid cert and its applications is major bs if you ask me, it only causes division and hatred. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? It's the poor compliance rate I think. Too many not following the rules. Other countries are a lot more vigilant. Its the "sure it'll be grand" attitude. It tells you the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. The whole covid cert and its applications is major bs if you ask me, it only causes division and hatred. " It doesnt stop the spread. It does decrease it. It also reduces serious illness risk. Literally everyone I know is vaccinated. I've not seen any division or hatred. | |||
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"It doesn’t seem to be effective at all at stopping spread https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y But if you’re at a concert and it does spread to you and you’re not vaccinated you will get sicker in all likelihood " Did you actually read that article you posted lol? It says kinda the opposite of what you took from it | |||
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"It doesn’t seem to be effective at all at stopping spread https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y But if you’re at a concert and it does spread to you and you’re not vaccinated you will get sicker in all likelihood Did you actually read that article you posted lol? It says kinda the opposite of what you took from it " protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. | |||
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"It doesn’t seem to be effective at all at stopping spread https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y But if you’re at a concert and it does spread to you and you’re not vaccinated you will get sicker in all likelihood Did you actually read that article you posted lol? It says kinda the opposite of what you took from it protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot." Couldn’t sell a whole national vaccination programme on that basis . Its strength is the impact on severe illness | |||
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"It doesn’t seem to be effective at all at stopping spread https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y But if you’re at a concert and it does spread to you and you’re not vaccinated you will get sicker in all likelihood Did you actually read that article you posted lol? It says kinda the opposite of what you took from it protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot." Get outa here with your facts……. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? It's the poor compliance rate I think. Too many not following the rules. Other countries are a lot more vigilant. Its the "sure it'll be grand" attitude. It tells you the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. The whole covid cert and its applications is major bs if you ask me, it only causes division and hatred. It doesnt stop the spread. It does decrease it. It also reduces serious illness risk. Literally everyone I know is vaccinated. I've not seen any division or hatred." Ireland is the best example to show the vaccine isn't much of a help decreasing the numbers. So the whole shenanigans with cert checks is useless. Do you know that a non vaccinated teenager can go to a bar/restaurant when accompanied by a vaxxed adult, but the same teenager can't go to a cafe when on its own or with vaccinated teenage friends. Does that make any sense to you? If that's not aimed to put pressure on teenagers.... | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? It's the poor compliance rate I think. Too many not following the rules. Other countries are a lot more vigilant. Its the "sure it'll be grand" attitude. It tells you the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. The whole covid cert and its applications is major bs if you ask me, it only causes division and hatred. It doesnt stop the spread. It does decrease it. It also reduces serious illness risk. Literally everyone I know is vaccinated. I've not seen any division or hatred. Ireland is the best example to show the vaccine isn't much of a help decreasing the numbers. So the whole shenanigans with cert checks is useless. Do you know that a non vaccinated teenager can go to a bar/restaurant when accompanied by a vaxxed adult, but the same teenager can't go to a cafe when on its own or with vaccinated teenage friends. Does that make any sense to you? If that's not aimed to put pressure on teenagers...." Ah lords sake, give me patience! 1. If we were still in lockdown coupled with the high vax there would be very little cases. 2. The vaxs allow us to get back to some normality but there are going to be cases because we are out again. This Delta is extremely contagious, It’s about managing as best we can. The road we have gone down is probably the best balance we could hope for. Just curious, what do you suggest the gov do? | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments ." so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created" I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. " It's the same topic and the exact same arguments and in the last year and a half I've never seen one side change their opinion on it so it's pretty pointless as far as I can see .But carry on if you want but you're just beating your head off a brick wall because nothing will change at all. | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. It's the same topic and the exact same arguments and in the last year and a half I've never seen one side change their opinion on it so it's pretty pointless as far as I can see .But carry on if you want but you're just beating your head off a brick wall because nothing will change at all. " | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created" My point had nothing to do with people's different opinions or if I would want to party with anyone who posted them,It just seems a pointless no win argument that has been done to death on here. | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. It's the same topic and the exact same arguments and in the last year and a half I've never seen one side change their opinion on it so it's pretty pointless as far as I can see .But carry on if you want but you're just beating your head off a brick wall because nothing will change at all. " I'm not sure changing anyone's opinion is the aim. I think of it more as an exploration of the topic of this year's Christmas parties given the conditions we are in now, and the waning of the current vaccines effectiveness in reducing transmission. If you're bored then go read a different thread it's pretty clear what this is about so no need to click. Simples. | |||
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" Ah lords sake, give me patience! 1. If we were still in lockdown coupled with the high vax there would be very little cases. 2. The vaxs allow us to get back to some normality but there are going to be cases because we are out again. This Delta is extremely contagious, It’s about managing as best we can. The road we have gone down is probably the best balance we could hope for. Just curious, what do you suggest the gov do? " I'm not denying the vaccine has changed the situation and I'm vaccinated myself. I'm just making a point on the grounds of an increasing incident rate that the vaccine isn't the ultimate answer to the pandemic. Yet all is focused on vax rates and vax certs and rules/restrictions that defy logic and cause division. | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. It's the same topic and the exact same arguments and in the last year and a half I've never seen one side change their opinion on it so it's pretty pointless as far as I can see .But carry on if you want but you're just beating your head off a brick wall because nothing will change at all. I'm not sure changing anyone's opinion is the aim. I think of it more as an exploration of the topic of this year's Christmas parties given the conditions we are in now, and the waning of the current vaccines effectiveness in reducing transmission. If you're bored then go read a different thread it's pretty clear what this is about so no need to click. Simples." Well that's me told rightly isn't it
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" Ah lords sake, give me patience! 1. If we were still in lockdown coupled with the high vax there would be very little cases. 2. The vaxs allow us to get back to some normality but there are going to be cases because we are out again. This Delta is extremely contagious, It’s about managing as best we can. The road we have gone down is probably the best balance we could hope for. Just curious, what do you suggest the gov do? I'm not denying the vaccine has changed the situation and I'm vaccinated myself. I'm just making a point on the grounds of an increasing incident rate that the vaccine isn't the ultimate answer to the pandemic. Yet all is focused on vax rates and vax certs and rules/restrictions that defy logic and cause division. " First I apologise for my tone. I fully accept people aren’t happy, there is division but what would you suggest that we, as a society do? | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. " Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. | |||
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"Personally I'm not a fan of work Christmas parties as most people I work with are work colleagues and while I get on well with them I've no interest in socialising with the majority of them outside of work. My current place has never held one anyhow for staff people tend to arrange their own smaller parties if they want to. As for the covid situation it's just all the same arguments you see on every bloody thread that someone can start on at this stage it's just blah blah blah with people trying to score points and prove what they believe to be right. It is beyond boring at this point and neither side will change their view and it just goes on and on and most likely will for the foreseeable future and cause more division and arguments .so true who'd wanna go to a party with people with the kinda division this thread has created I don't feel this is argument. I feel its a debate. It's an important topic which is rightfully discussed here and elsewhere. I feel no animosity towards anyone in this thread who disagrees with my thoughts in the topic. I don't feel that healthy debate sows division. I feel it aids understanding of the opinions of other people. Its those who seek to close down debate who are doing the topic a disservice. It's the same topic and the exact same arguments and in the last year and a half I've never seen one side change their opinion on it so it's pretty pointless as far as I can see .But carry on if you want but you're just beating your head off a brick wall because nothing will change at all. I'm not sure changing anyone's opinion is the aim. I think of it more as an exploration of the topic of this year's Christmas parties given the conditions we are in now, and the waning of the current vaccines effectiveness in reducing transmission. If you're bored then go read a different thread it's pretty clear what this is about so no need to click. Simples. Well that's me told rightly isn't it
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. " OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. " Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed "One third unvaccinated is still striking when it accounts for onky about 300,000 people. Where you assign the people with only one jab is debatable as they aren't fully vaccinated and have had the chance to be | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed "It makes full vaccination look more impressive if anything. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
One third unvaccinated is still striking when it accounts for onky about 300,000 people.
Where you assign the people with only one jab is debatable as they aren't fully vaccinated and have had the chance to be"Your missing the point, it is how the information is presented, and by lumping single dose and non vaccinated together gives a distorted view and statistic. Same as your 300,000 number, does this includes under 18s? | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed "Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population? | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population? "I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
"It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated". | |||
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" One third unvaccinated is still striking when it accounts for onky about 300,000 people. Where you assign the people with only one jab is debatable as they aren't fully vaccinated and have had the chance to be Your missing the point, it is how the information is presented, and by lumping single dose and non vaccinated together gives a distorted view and statistic. Same as your 300,000 number, does this includes under 18s? " I didnt miss the point. I am just disagreeing with you that 1/3 of cases being unvaccinated in a striking number comparing the vaccinated vs unvaccinated population. As for the main stream media I wish they has more in depth analysis of alot of topics but O don't rely on them for things I deem important. Funny how we both looked at the figures independently of main stream media and still have different views on it | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated". "I just did, pay attention....you stated that two thirds were unvaccinated (incorrect, as two thirds are not "fully" vaccinated, big difference) If you stated that two thirds were unvaccinated, then it was you who implied that the other third were vaccinated. I have better thing to do than remind you of your own information. Good day to you | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated". "Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid? | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid? "He didn't say that at all... Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
He didn't say that at all...
Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed"So that part where he says "given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated" is not saying that two thirds are unvaccinated?? Lads ye are making no sense, good day to you both! | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
He didn't say that at all...
Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed
So that part where he says "given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated" is not saying that two thirds are unvaccinated?? Lads ye are making no sense, good day to you both!"That is neither the question Saint or sinner asked or the point in my reply. But certainly a good point to end this on | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
He didn't say that at all...
Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed"I'm sure that Michael can enlighten me in what he meant! He clearly stated that in effect the statistics he presented and he wrote, I quote "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases". In the instance of those percentages, I am making the assumption he means 8% being the 300,000 non-vaccinated Irish population and he means the two/thirds in ICU being non-vaccinated (without even going further into what the breakdown means if you've only had one dose etc). And he clearly states that the 8% is responsible for the 66% (as quoted, his words, not mine!), which I would interpret as: it's only the non-vaccinated spreading Covid - the eternal blame game which causes division and hatred - because clearly, the reality is that anyone or everyone in the country who is sick with Covid, vaccinated or not, can spread it...in other words, potentially 100% of the population. | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
He didn't say that at all...
Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed
I'm sure that Michael can enlighten me in what he meant!
He clearly stated that in effect the statistics he presented and he wrote, I quote "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases".
In the instance of those percentages, I am making the assumption he means 8% being the 300,000 non-vaccinated Irish population and he means the two/thirds in ICU being non-vaccinated (without even going further into what the breakdown means if you've only had one dose etc).
And he clearly states that the 8% is responsible for the 66% (as quoted, his words, not mine!), which I would interpret as: it's only the non-vaccinated spreading Covid - the eternal blame game which causes division and hatred - because clearly, the reality is that anyone or everyone in the country who is sick with Covid, vaccinated or not, can spread it...in other words, potentially 100% of the population.
"OK Michael can speak for himself. I read it as him meaning that unvaccinated people account for 66% of the people in ICU. Nothing to do with who or where these people caught it from. I havent seen anyone state vaccinated people can't spread covid however another reality is that unvaccinated people have a higher risk of spreading it | |||
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" ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
He didn't say that at all...
Responsible as in accounts for. 66% of the patients in ICU are unvaccinated ypu could also say 33% depending on the one shot only debate that followed
I'm sure that Michael can enlighten me in what he meant!
He clearly stated that in effect the statistics he presented and he wrote, I quote "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases".
In the instance of those percentages, I am making the assumption he means 8% being the 300,000 non-vaccinated Irish population and he means the two/thirds in ICU being non-vaccinated (without even going further into what the breakdown means if you've only had one dose etc).
And he clearly states that the 8% is responsible for the 66% (as quoted, his words, not mine!), which I would interpret as: it's only the non-vaccinated spreading Covid - the eternal blame game which causes division and hatred - because clearly, the reality is that anyone or everyone in the country who is sick with Covid, vaccinated or not, can spread it...in other words, potentially 100% of the population.
OK Michael can speak for himself.
I read it as him meaning that unvaccinated people account for 66% of the people in ICU.
Nothing to do with who or where these people caught it from.
I havent seen anyone state vaccinated people can't spread covid however another reality is that unvaccinated people have a higher risk of spreading it"Yes, the initial part of his statement was that and was challenged by another poster. I challenged him on the latter part of his statement and I would ask you then, what do you think he meant by and I'll quote his words again from his original post: It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" and I mean in particular the 8% he's referring to... being "responsible"? | |||
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" I challenged him on the latter part of his statement and I would ask you then, what do you think he meant by and I'll quote his words again from his original post: It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" and I mean in particular the 8% he's referring to... being "responsible"?" I'm not sure I can answer any clearer but I'll give it a go. 8% being the total unvaccinated population Of the people currently lying I'm hospital beds 66% of them come from that 8%. Now as I said in my first answer you could call it 33% of people lying I'm hospital beds depending on full/partially vaccinated. I don't think he said means that 8% of the population has infected 66%. | |||
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" I challenged him on the latter part of his statement and I would ask you then, what do you think he meant by and I'll quote his words again from his original post: It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" and I mean in particular the 8% he's referring to... being "responsible"? I'm not sure I can answer any clearer but I'll give it a go. 8% being the total unvaccinated population Of the people currently lying I'm hospital beds 66% of them come from that 8%. Now as I said in my first answer you could call it 33% of people lying I'm hospital beds depending on full/partially vaccinated. I don't think he said means that 8% of the population has infected 66%. " And if you read his sentence again, it clearly states that the 8% is responsible!!! To me that means that it is his opinion that it's the non-vaccinated being the spreaders, which is the kind of opinion that creates a divide as vaccination doesn't stop spread. It's playing the blame game...but maybe it was just ill-worded and he is just trying to state that 8% of the population make for 66% of ICU cases...only he can answer that | |||
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"Will yee all just EFFING STOP you are like a bag of weasels! Look some of you will agree with each other and some will disagree with each other but all this is doing is dividing people and causing tensions on the forum, leave it off. " Other than you calling us a bunch of weasels can you point out where the discussion has been anything but civil? There is plenty fluff elsewhere for those who dont want this type of content | |||
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"What boggles my mind at present how can we have one of the worst incident rates in Europe, yet we also have one of the highest vaccination rate? We had one of the longest lasting rigid restrictions set yet it didn't pay off when analysing the numbers. Where does it go wrong??????? ICU numbers are currently at about half of what they were the last time case numbers were this high. Given that roughly two thirds of those are unvaccinated, that means that ICU numbers for vaccinated people are currently approximately one sixth of what they were the last time case numbers were at this level. It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases. Those are striking figures. Eh those statistics are based on vaccinated, and "not fully vaccinated", so a large proportion of those have had atleast one dose of their vaccine, therefore stating that two thirds are unvaccinated is grossly misleading and inaccurate by both yourself and the media. OK, if that's the case just drop off the list sentence and pop in the word fully in féin of vaccinated. The figures are still striking. Well if they were presented more accurately by the media and people like yourself, then it would look more like this.. one third fully vaccinated, one third half vaccinated and one third unvaccinated. That gives one a very different message as now 2 thirds of those in hospital are vaccinated, and only one third unvaccinated. That's a very different message than two thirds of cases are unvaccinated now isn't it? Striking indeed
Where did you get "one third fully vaccinated" from, or what are you referring to? Do you mean the covid cases, the icu figures or the population at large, or possibly even the eligible population?
I referring to the statistic that you yourself gave, keep up. If you are going to present figures then provide undistorted figures and separate single dose and unvaccinated and see how well that suits your argument. To do this you will have to do your own research and not go by the distorted statistics provided by the media. Good luck
It's kinda hard to debate it with you if you won't say what you mean by "one third fully vaccinated".
Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid? "No, not at all. The suggestion from the media, the HSE and the minister is that the icu cases are made up of two thirds non vaccinated. This has been clarified further back as being "not fully vaccinated" rather than unvaccinated. That means that the majority of icu cases are coming from not 8% percent of the population eligible to receive the vaccine but around 12% from what I can glean. The details are a bit muddled by the way different agencies report them but what's clear no matter which way you read it is that if you're fully vaccinated you're strikingly less likely to be in icu at the moment. | |||
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" I challenged him on the latter part of his statement and I would ask you then, what do you think he meant by and I'll quote his words again from his original post: It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" and I mean in particular the 8% he's referring to... being "responsible"? I'm not sure I can answer any clearer but I'll give it a go. 8% being the total unvaccinated population Of the people currently lying I'm hospital beds 66% of them come from that 8%. Now as I said in my first answer you could call it 33% of people lying I'm hospital beds depending on full/partially vaccinated. I don't think he said means that 8% of the population has infected 66%. And if you read his sentence again, it clearly states that the 8% is responsible!!! To me that means that it is his opinion that it's the non-vaccinated being the spreaders, which is the kind of opinion that creates a divide as vaccination doesn't stop spread. It's playing the blame game...but maybe it was just ill-worded and he is just trying to state that 8% of the population make for 66% of ICU cases...only he can answer that "Ah its a turn of phrase I'd use myself so it's how I see it. Well not the first time we needed a micky to come along to sort a debate on fab | |||
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"Yes but also my first comment was "LIKE a bag of weasels" to you turning it around to me calling you a bunch of weasels if you can't take direct quote without turning it into lies in about two comments how credible are you to debate anything? " Bag bunch didn't see a difference tbh. I also quoted your post to give context for anyone reading to be fair | |||
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" I challenged him on the latter part of his statement and I would ask you then, what do you think he meant by and I'll quote his words again from his original post: It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" and I mean in particular the 8% he's referring to... being "responsible"? I'm not sure I can answer any clearer but I'll give it a go. 8% being the total unvaccinated population Of the people currently lying I'm hospital beds 66% of them come from that 8%. Now as I said in my first answer you could call it 33% of people lying I'm hospital beds depending on full/partially vaccinated. I don't think he said means that 8% of the population has infected 66%. And if you read his sentence again, it clearly states that the 8% is responsible!!! To me that means that it is his opinion that it's the non-vaccinated being the spreaders, which is the kind of opinion that creates a divide as vaccination doesn't stop spread. It's playing the blame game...but maybe it was just ill-worded and he is just trying to state that 8% of the population make for 66% of ICU cases...only he can answer that "In my own opinion the case numbers aren't particularly relevant. It's the hospital numbers and more importantly the icu numbers that matter. | |||
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"Sorry for being a downer here but what do you folks think? Due to the rising numbers getting close to 4,000 cases per day, will staff Christmas Parties go ahead in December? " Our company had decided to go ahead with Christmas parties when the restrictions were lifted last month but once they seen the numbers rising again they were quick to change their mind and to reimpose certain restrictions they themselves had lifted around campus. I think they are doing the right thing | |||
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"Yes but also my first comment was "LIKE a bag of weasels" to you turning it around to me calling you a bunch of weasels if you can't take direct quote without turning it into lies in about two comments how credible are you to debate anything? Bag bunch didn't see a difference tbh. I also quoted your post to give context for anyone reading to be fair" But I used the word like which is a SIMILE to be like something so you took a direct quote of mine and turned it into lies thus showing you are not a credible character and in turn should be treated like one. | |||
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"Yes but also my first comment was "LIKE a bag of weasels" to you turning it around to me calling you a bunch of weasels if you can't take direct quote without turning it into lies in about two comments how credible are you to debate anything? Bag bunch didn't see a difference tbh. I also quoted your post to give context for anyone reading to be fair But I used the word like which is a SIMILE to be like something so you took a direct quote of mine and turned it into lies thus showing you are not a credible character and in turn should be treated like one. " OK sorry we are not actually weasels just similar my bad but that means I shouldn't be given any credibility hmmmmm that seems like a divisive enough attitude on here. I stand by my comment though | |||
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What if you really wanted a pint with a lady and you felt a PM was a bit all or nothing ? "If I didn't feel it was worthy of a PM I wouldn't feel the need to watch the thread for them to post. I honestly hate those types of threads but I just avoid them rather than telling people on them. This probably needs its own thread at this stage | |||
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"Civil aye my Jam roll!! "He said, she said! Please state where you got these facts from! But she said but he said!" All of this with underlying tensions! So don't come the Billy Hunt oh its all very civil carry on. But it is.. thats how people debate and argue. If it bothers you stick with lighter threads. If the forum was all suck fuck and pass I'd be gone. But I dont go in those threads and tell people to stop
What if you really wanted a pint with a lady and you felt a PM was a bit all or nothing ? "Are you suggesting that the aforementioned threads actually mean something real? | |||
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What if you really wanted a pint with a lady and you felt a PM was a bit all or nothing ?
Are you suggesting that the aforementioned threads actually mean something real? "Well occasionally it has been an ice breaker . It’s very easy for people to pass you or not post so if they actively say kiss or pint or more then that’s a good start which might prompt a pm maybe who knows . | |||
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" Michael, I don't understand what you mean when you say "It also means that 8% of the population is responsible for 66% of the ICU cases" - are you talking about the non-vaccinated as a percentage of the Irish population? And as such, in your opinion, it's only those 8% of non-vaccinated who are responsible for the spread of Covid?
No, not at all.
The suggestion from the media, the HSE and the minister is that the icu cases are made up of two thirds non vaccinated. This has been clarified further back as being "not fully vaccinated" rather than unvaccinated. That means that the majority of icu cases are coming from not 8% percent of the population eligible to receive the vaccine but around 12% from what I can glean. The details are a bit muddled by the way different agencies report them but what's clear no matter which way you read it is that if you're fully vaccinated you're strikingly less likely to be in icu at the moment. "Michael, thank you for clarifying what you meant. I appreciate that. | |||
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"As for the original question...I don't have an employer or colleagues and I don't employ anybody - no Christmas parties for me... Just my family and I "You can come to mine!! Going to the races. | |||
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"As for the original question...I don't have an employer or colleagues and I don't employ anybody - no Christmas parties for me... Just my family and I
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"I just think blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine is not going to getting anymone anywhere. This covid is here and here for good and while is it sorting itself out at the end of the day the book stops with the government in regards keeping people safe yes people can mind themselves as well of course by staying in but let's face it not to many will be doing that after almost two years with no life. Who's uo over the government for me it's a high power. Have a good day everyone. Covid is definitely not sorting itself out. Its peoole that do that by making good choices. Choices to wear masks, to be vaccinated, to wash hands, to follow the advice of the experts who are following the data and best practice. That's the way to beat it. The government can issue guidelines, but this is ENTIRELY in the hands of the ordinary folk to limit the spread and the damage that's done. You're right its not going away. This phase is about damage limitation and restriction of transmission. The genie isn't going back in the lamp. Yes but realistically not everyone is going to follows rules(made to be broken right lol) and tbh i do see most are following(even on the streets) but then yes i definitely see places not using the masks at all. One particular cafe not one mask the other day, i was the only one. But it's totally out of people's control as only the government have the powers to shut. No one can force people to follow guidelines hence why they are only guidelines. Do you not get it?? Rules made to be broken!! The majority are trying to do the right thing to prevent people from getting sick or ending up in hospital and you think that this is maybe an opportunity to fight the state just for the crack!!" I'm lost at what point did i say anything about "fighting" the government?! I think you definitely picked it up wrong and yes rules are made to be broken is just an expression of speech which happens to be so true. I am following the rules myself but alot are not ans won't either and nothing will actually make them either only lockdowns unfortunately. But hopefully it won't go that way but it's certainly looking like it. | |||
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