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"Knowing how incompetent they have been dealing with the pandemic so far, I can't see digital certificates being provided by government. I can see them being issued by travel agencies if you prove you have had both jabs" It's a European initiative which all fully vaccinated people will be automatically given either electronically for use in an app, or on paper. It also applies to the single jab vaccine. | |||
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"We'll get the usual fuckwits on here and in real life complaining and taking video as they hassle some 18 kid who insists on seeing their cert. The one's that get them by email will copy and send via WhatsApp to their mates to cheat the system Its not like going into a gig where the ticket can only be scanned once Also if everyone is vaccinated why the time limit anyway Usual shite from the usual shite government " Is there a time limit? I was wondering that. Also i didn't hear if its table service only? Also are we back to normal numbers allowed indoors together? I can't see a good reason why not if everyone indoors is vaccinated. | |||
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"Woohhoo another we are in it together idea .... (sarcasm) what a joke another PR stunt up with Quarantine Foreign visitors in hotels... " Why do you think it's a joke? Do you think we should keep outdoors only? | |||
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"So the radio says today we (vaccinated people) will begin to get our vaccination digital certificates. The government are due to open indoor dining for us using the certificate. Personally I think it's a great idea. What are your opinions on this vaccine bonus?" I think it a good idea but with a lot of drawbacks, difficult to police and for those who will have to police or enforce it, will you be asked at the door to provide a cert to gain entry? I’m sure these certs in whichever form they are will certainly be able to forged. What if you haven’t been vaccinated, for whatever reason, or just by choice, can you be refused entry? I think there will probably be a slew of discrimination and violation of human rights claims to go along with it. I’m vaccinated so I don’t mind, but I think it’s going to cause a lot of problems. Imagine if I had a date (so it’s obviously a hypothetical situation…..   ) and we go out for dinner, not McDonald’s, I’m classy, maybe Eddie Rockets, and she can’t get in because she’s not vaccinated, she wouldn’t be happy……. 
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"We'll get the usual fuckwits on here and in real life complaining and taking video as they hassle some 18 kid who insists on seeing their cert. The one's that get them by email will copy and send via WhatsApp to their mates to cheat the system Its not like going into a gig where the ticket can only be scanned once Also if everyone is vaccinated why the time limit anyway Usual shite from the usual shite government Is there a time limit? I was wondering that. Also i didn't hear if its table service only? Also are we back to normal numbers allowed indoors together? I can't see a good reason why not if everyone indoors is vaccinated." I heard it 1 hr 45 mins. And distancing. | |||
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"I can't see a good reason why not if everyone indoors is vaccinated." Except the staff, who are probably quite young. | |||
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"Woohhoo another we are in it together idea .... (sarcasm) what a joke another PR stunt up with Quarantine Foreign visitors in hotels... Why do you think it's a joke? Do you think we should keep outdoors only?" No I think we should open fully no restrictions... the half bake measures this Government have implemented since after 1st Lockdown has destroyed as much lives livelihoods and families than the disease itself... fully vac can eat indoors but not vac can't but if under 18 and with vac person you can eat indoors also be served by person who is not vac but its OK as you will be safe ... seriously | |||
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"Something troubling about a 2 tier society though " I don't think so. Its not going to last forever. Just while we try to get the country opened up. If I had had a buisness and staff that I needed to look after and keep safe, I'm not going to put their health at risk, just so I don't hurt someone's feelings. | |||
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"Something troubling about a 2 tier society though " Its already the law that says over 18's in a bar but some make it over 25's so its already two tier I'm in favour of whatever gets a business back open but the likes of Gemma and Dee and Delores will have protests in the first weekend against a well known pub in Dublin and lead their sheep into battle. Did anyone see Delores try to get into The RDS ....that type of thing | |||
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"I can't see a good reason why not if everyone indoors is vaccinated. Except the staff, who are probably quite young." That's a good point. Staff aren't necessarily vaccinated and so need to be protected. | |||
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"Woohhoo another we are in it together idea .... (sarcasm) what a joke another PR stunt up with Quarantine Foreign visitors in hotels... Why do you think it's a joke? Do you think we should keep outdoors only? No I think we should open fully no restrictions... the half bake measures this Government have implemented since after 1st Lockdown has destroyed as much lives livelihoods and families than the disease itself... fully vac can eat indoors but not vac can't but if under 18 and with vac person you can eat indoors also be served by person who is not vac but its OK as you will be safe ... seriously " Yeah the under 18 thing will be controversial. I see both sides really as they are low risk to others there as others are vaccinated, and low risk to each others because they are kids. | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants "Oh yes also those who recently recovered is that it? | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants
Oh yes also those who recently recovered is that it? "Recovered in last 6 months or proof of a negative test | |||
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"I can't see a good reason why not if everyone indoors is vaccinated. Except the staff, who are probably quite young. That's a good point. Staff aren't necessarily vaccinated and so need to be protected." 18 to 30 yr olds can get vaccinated now at pharmacies...my 19 yr old signed up for it last monday | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants
Oh yes also those who recently recovered is that it?
Recovered in last 6 months or proof of a negative test "Because you seem quite knowledgeable about this.. the articles I have read are talking about the vaccinated and the recovered only. I can't see much about having negative test apart for the travel certificate. Is this the very same certificate as is required for indoor dining ? | |||
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"If you want to have a new and largely untested experimental vaccine injected into your body in order to get a certificate of compliance, go right ahead and line up behind the other sheep. Not vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, because I had Covid last year and only had very mild symptoms. In 2009, decade before COVID-19 appeared, the world faced a different pandemic: a resurgence of the H1N1 influenza virus, or “swine flu” as this version was known. The drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline took a vaccine it had already developed to combat the H5N1 (bird flu) virus and quickly adapted it for swine flu. The new vaccine was pushed out in the U.K. and other European countries—it was never authorized in the U.S.—to inoculate health care workers, small children, and at-risk people such as asthmatics. “By February 2010, doctors were noticing that there were large numbers of people being diagnosed with narcolepsy,” Based on big pharma's wonderful track record of producing drugs and vaccines that had to be withdrawn from the market because of overwhelming evidence the drugs caused significant health issues. " You were one of the lucky ones who only had mild symptoms..as with all.diseases a lot of people were not and will not be so fortunate | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants
Oh yes also those who recently recovered is that it?
Recovered in last 6 months or proof of a negative test "Negative test is no good for indoor dining. | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants
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Recovered in last 6 months or proof of a negative test
Because you seem quite knowledgeable about this.. the articles I have read are talking about the vaccinated and the recovered only. I can't see much about having negative test apart for the travel certificate. Is this the very same certificate as is required for indoor dining ?"As far as I’m aware, it’s one cert so I presume it will apply to indoor dining as well as travel. Not 100% on that one though. The info is on gov.ie but it is currently based on travel and hasn’t yet been updated to include the new rules around dining. | |||
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"The cert is not just for vaccinated people. Perhaps do some proper research before posting half baked rants
Oh yes also those who recently recovered is that it?
Recovered in last 6 months or proof of a negative test Negative test is no good for indoor dining."Was that announced today? | |||
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"Something troubling about a 2 tier society though I don't think so. Its not going to last forever. Just while we try to get the country opened up. If I had had a buisness and staff that I needed to look after and keep safe, I'm not going to put their health at risk, just so I don't hurt someone's feelings. " How come there hasn't been any mass deaths in retail department prior to masks and vaccines?  | |||
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"Something troubling about a 2 tier society though I don't think so. Its not going to last forever. Just while we try to get the country opened up. If I had had a buisness and staff that I needed to look after and keep safe, I'm not going to put their health at risk, just so I don't hurt someone's feelings. How come there hasn't been any mass deaths in retail department prior to masks and vaccines? "I would imagine because the vast majority working in retail are young so they may have caught it but are not in the high risk of death category...plus retail as in working in a shop is far less risk than say a pub where people gather for long periods of time and interact to a far higher degree | |||
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"They've just announced a €2000 fine for using a forged cert " Or a month in jail where you will be fed for free, and probably won’t require a cert….. | |||
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"If you want to have a new and largely untested experimental vaccine injected into your body in order to get a certificate of compliance, go right ahead and line up behind the other sheep. Not vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, because I had Covid last year and only had very mild symptoms. In 2009, decade before COVID-19 appeared, the world faced a different pandemic: a resurgence of the H1N1 influenza virus, or “swine flu” as this version was known. The drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline took a vaccine it had already developed to combat the H5N1 (bird flu) virus and quickly adapted it for swine flu. The new vaccine was pushed out in the U.K. and other European countries—it was never authorized in the U.S.—to inoculate health care workers, small children, and at-risk people such as asthmatics. “By February 2010, doctors were noticing that there were large numbers of people being diagnosed with narcolepsy,” Based on big pharma's wonderful track record of producing drugs and vaccines that had to be withdrawn from the market because of overwhelming evidence the drugs caused significant health issues. " Absolutely spot on. Apart from the fact that all these vaccines are experimental as none has passed the safety studies as of yet, after a risk evaluation with my GP it appears that the thrombosis risk is to high in my case and taking the jab could be lethal . So people like me will be discriminated , I can chose between playing Russian roulette by accepting the jab at own risk or accepting to be excluded from social life . And I assume that people with a stroke history or cardio vascular issues are in the same dilemma. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? " The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. | |||
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"If you want to have a new and largely untested experimental vaccine injected into your body in order to get a certificate of compliance, go right ahead and line up behind the other sheep. Not vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, because I had Covid last year and only had very mild symptoms. In 2009, decade before COVID-19 appeared, the world faced a different pandemic: a resurgence of the H1N1 influenza virus, or “swine flu” as this version was known. The drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline took a vaccine it had already developed to combat the H5N1 (bird flu) virus and quickly adapted it for swine flu. The new vaccine was pushed out in the U.K. and other European countries—it was never authorized in the U.S.—to inoculate health care workers, small children, and at-risk people such as asthmatics. “By February 2010, doctors were noticing that there were large numbers of people being diagnosed with narcolepsy,” Based on big pharma's wonderful track record of producing drugs and vaccines that had to be withdrawn from the market because of overwhelming evidence the drugs caused significant health issues. Absolutely spot on. Apart from the fact that all these vaccines are experimental as none has passed the safety studies as of yet, after a risk evaluation with my GP it appears that the thrombosis risk is to high in my case and taking the jab could be lethal . So people like me will be discriminated , I can chose between playing Russian roulette by accepting the jab at own risk or accepting to be excluded from social life . And I assume that people with a stroke history or cardio vascular issues are in the same dilemma. " Or you could ask your doctor for a letter I presume to say you're not able to get vaccinated | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? " If you are vaccinated, your body will already know how to attack and defeat the virus very quickly. so even during this small window, you will be less contagious as you have not allowed it to multiply without restrictions. Unvaccinated, it will multiply as fast as it wants, and you will be more contagious for weeks longer. | |||
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"Something troubling about a 2 tier society though I don't think so. Its not going to last forever. Just while we try to get the country opened up. If I had had a buisness and staff that I needed to look after and keep safe, I'm not going to put their health at risk, just so I don't hurt someone's feelings. How come there hasn't been any mass deaths in retail department prior to masks and vaccines?
I would imagine because the vast majority working in retail are young so they may have caught it but are not in the high risk of death category...plus retail as in working in a shop is far less risk than say a pub where people gather for long periods of time and interact to a far higher degree"Wrong. I spent many years in retail and staff are not mostly young by any means. Hospitality staff- yes. Retail, especially food stores - nope. You may spend less time around specific people, but you come in contact with a huge amount more people than some bar with a limited capacity. You touch people's cash then your face/mask. People talk to you in very close contact. Staff mix together in staff rooms and are using the same bathroom daily. When I was last in retail - we had 50 staff in total. You would mix with at least 25 of them on a daily basis (every one of them will also have their own families they live with - add those peo poolple too, also add up to 400-500 customers a day. Every single day. That's a lot of mixing in my book! Don't you think? | |||
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"Did I hear rightly the other day that a number of fully vaccinated people ended up in icu after getting covid .. 1 of which died.. Don't think the vaccine is much use is it.. " You are saying that as if 1 is a very large number? | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? If you are vaccinated, your body will already know how to attack and defeat the virus very quickly. so even during this small window, you will be less contagious as you have not allowed it to multiply without restrictions. Unvaccinated, it will multiply as fast as it wants, and you will be more contagious for weeks longer." That's assuming that you have any health issues at all and are likely to be symptomatic. If you're young and healthy you're most likely are going to be asymptomatic - meaning your immune system already knows how to fight it and doesn't need any extra boosts. Asymptomatic people are responsible for less than 1% of all transmissions. Asymptomatic people should also not be mixed up with pre symptomatic. | |||
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"If you want to have a new and largely untested experimental vaccine injected into your body in order to get a certificate of compliance, go right ahead and line up behind the other sheep. Not vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, because I had Covid last year and only had very mild symptoms. In 2009, decade before COVID-19 appeared, the world faced a different pandemic: a resurgence of the H1N1 influenza virus, or “swine flu” as this version was known. The drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline took a vaccine it had already developed to combat the H5N1 (bird flu) virus and quickly adapted it for swine flu. The new vaccine was pushed out in the U.K. and other European countries—it was never authorized in the U.S.—to inoculate health care workers, small children, and at-risk people such as asthmatics. “By February 2010, doctors were noticing that there were large numbers of people being diagnosed with narcolepsy,” Based on big pharma's wonderful track record of producing drugs and vaccines that had to be withdrawn from the market because of overwhelming evidence the drugs caused significant health issues. Absolutely spot on. Apart from the fact that all these vaccines are experimental as none has passed the safety studies as of yet, after a risk evaluation with my GP it appears that the thrombosis risk is to high in my case and taking the jab could be lethal . So people like me will be discriminated , I can chose between playing Russian roulette by accepting the jab at own risk or accepting to be excluded from social life . And I assume that people with a stroke history or cardio vascular issues are in the same dilemma. Or you could ask your doctor for a letter I presume to say you're not able to get vaccinated " I do have such letter _ however - it’s about civil rights valid for all. If civil rights require vaccination we have a serious societal issue . By the way traveling doesn’t require this digital passport , most countries are fine with a negative per which to some countries you have to provide regardless of vaccination as risk of infection and contagancy persist after vaccination | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. " So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? | |||
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"Did I hear rightly the other day that a number of fully vaccinated people ended up in icu after getting covid .. 1 of which died.. Don't think the vaccine is much use is it.. You are saying that as if 1 is a very large number?" A small number of people is too many imo .. I don't think the vaccine is much use if you have underlying health conditions and your immune system is non existant you will end up in icu on deaths bed vaccine or not.. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? " Well I guess it’s made so unvaccinated don’t need to wear a badge “unvaccinated” | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? " Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? If you are vaccinated, your body will already know how to attack and defeat the virus very quickly. so even during this small window, you will be less contagious as you have not allowed it to multiply without restrictions. Unvaccinated, it will multiply as fast as it wants, and you will be more contagious for weeks longer. That's assuming that you have any health issues at all and are likely to be symptomatic. If you're young and healthy you're most likely are going to be asymptomatic - meaning your immune system already knows how to fight it and doesn't need any extra boosts. Asymptomatic people are responsible for less than 1% of all transmissions. Asymptomatic people should also not be mixed up with pre symptomatic. " That is not what asymptomatic means. It does not mean your body knows how to fight it??!! Why would you ever think that? It just means that you are not showing physical symptoms on the outside. But it is still running through your body. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this." 1. You can't pass on a virus that you don't have. 2. You're safe, your friends are safe. Why does Susan's from 6 table away medical history should matter to you? | |||
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"Did I hear rightly the other day that a number of fully vaccinated people ended up in icu after getting covid .. 1 of which died.. Don't think the vaccine is much use is it.. You are saying that as if 1 is a very large number? A small number of people is too many imo .. I don't think the vaccine is much use if you have underlying health conditions and your immune system is non existant you will end up in icu on deaths bed vaccine or not.. " Part of the reason the vaccine is important is to limit the ability of the virus to mutate into potentially more dangerous variants. Those that cannot be vaccinated are relying on the rest of us to create a herd immunity by being vaccinated. It’s shit if you’re unlucky enough to get bad covid if you’ve been vaccinated. No vaccine is 100% effective though and we also don’t know what underlying conditions these people had. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? If you are vaccinated, your body will already know how to attack and defeat the virus very quickly. so even during this small window, you will be less contagious as you have not allowed it to multiply without restrictions. Unvaccinated, it will multiply as fast as it wants, and you will be more contagious for weeks longer. That's assuming that you have any health issues at all and are likely to be symptomatic. If you're young and healthy you're most likely are going to be asymptomatic - meaning your immune system already knows how to fight it and doesn't need any extra boosts. Asymptomatic people are responsible for less than 1% of all transmissions. Asymptomatic people should also not be mixed up with pre symptomatic. That is not what asymptomatic means. It does not mean your body knows how to fight it??!! Why would you ever think that? It just means that you are not showing physical symptoms on the outside. But it is still running through your body." Yes. My immune system is effectively fighting it and stopping the virus from making me ill. No need to twist my words. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. 1. You can't pass on a virus that you don't have. 2. You're safe, your friends are safe. Why does Susan's from 6 table away medical history should matter to you? " Susan from 6 tables away might not be directly known to you but she is someone’s daughter/mother/sister/aunt/friend etc. Do you really not give a flying fuck about people you don’t know? | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. 1. You can't pass on a virus that you don't have. 2. You're safe, your friends are safe. Why does Susan's from 6 table away medical history should matter to you? " 1) Vaccinated people CAN have the virus 2) Because Susan's health matters too. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. 1. You can't pass on a virus that you don't have. 2. You're safe, your friends are safe. Why does Susan's from 6 table away medical history should matter to you? Susan from 6 tables away might not be directly known to you but she is someone’s daughter/mother/sister/aunt/friend etc. Do you really not give a flying fuck about people you don’t know?" I don't give a flying fuck what choices they take over their own body autonomy and sure as hell don't go bullying them and call them granny killers online over that. It is not your job to save the world, its not Susan's job either. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. 1. You can't pass on a virus that you don't have. 2. You're safe, your friends are safe. Why does Susan's from 6 table away medical history should matter to you? 1) Vaccinated people CAN have the virus 2) Because Susan's health matters too." 1.I didn't say vaccinated. I said if you don't have the virus (vaccinated or not) - you can't transmit it. 2. Susan's health is none of your or barmaids business. Susan is a grown up and is capable of making her own choices. | |||
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"Did I hear rightly the other day that a number of fully vaccinated people ended up in icu after getting covid .. 1 of which died.. Don't think the vaccine is much use is it.. You are saying that as if 1 is a very large number? A small number of people is too many imo .. I don't think the vaccine is much use if you have underlying health conditions and your immune system is non existant you will end up in icu on deaths bed vaccine or not.. Part of the reason the vaccine is important is to limit the ability of the virus to mutate into potentially more dangerous variants. Those that cannot be vaccinated are relying on the rest of us to create a herd immunity by being vaccinated. It’s shit if you’re unlucky enough to get bad covid if you’ve been vaccinated. No vaccine is 100% effective though and we also don’t know what underlying conditions these people had. "
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? If you are vaccinated, your body will already know how to attack and defeat the virus very quickly. so even during this small window, you will be less contagious as you have not allowed it to multiply without restrictions. Unvaccinated, it will multiply as fast as it wants, and you will be more contagious for weeks longer. That's assuming that you have any health issues at all and are likely to be symptomatic. If you're young and healthy you're most likely are going to be asymptomatic - meaning your immune system already knows how to fight it and doesn't need any extra boosts. Asymptomatic people are responsible for less than 1% of all transmissions. Asymptomatic people should also not be mixed up with pre symptomatic. That is not what asymptomatic means. It does not mean your body knows how to fight it??!! Why would you ever think that? It just means that you are not showing physical symptoms on the outside. But it is still running through your body. Yes. My immune system is effectively fighting it and stopping the virus from making me ill. No need to twist my words." I'm not twisting any words, you literally said " asymptomatic - meaning your immune system already knows how to fight it." That is not what asymptomatic means.  | |||
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"So the radio says today we (vaccinated people) will begin to get our vaccination digital certificates. The government are due to open indoor dining for us using the certificate. Personally I think it's a great idea. What are your opinions on this vaccine bonus?" I'm vaccinated but I don't love it as an idea. I'd prefer that they kept indoor dining closed to all until the numbers are better / the vaccination threshold is reached. I fully agree with the digital green certificate for travel purposes, as countries have to control entry to ensure their own Covid measures stay on track. But within a society I don't believe we should have vaccination as a criteria for access to everyday life. | |||
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"The digital vaccine pass is a platform that will allow the state full control over your access to all public services and many private businesses so banks, shops, etc. It will form part of a social credit rating platform for all citizens which is currently on trial in China. Welcome to stakeholder capitalism and the Great Reset. It sounds like socialism but its going to feel a lot like communism. Not many conspiracy theories left folks. They are coming for your kids. Can they take them this weekend for a few days....could do with a holiday Tbh I was watching this thread and was wondering how long it would take to hit head banger territory I hope you like surprises. Do you understand the complexity that is required to get a system like that up and running? The current government is unable to cross reference databases to figure out who is both paying tax, and collecting social welfare. And yet you think they are secretly going to create a highly complex, cross platform referencing system like that? They will somehow upgrade a simple 2 dimensional SQL database containing people's names and vaccination serial number, and create a multi platform system like that? You have more confidence in the competency of this government than anyone I've ever known." But it was on facebook and 4chan so it must be true The great reset is what I have to do to my Sky Q box every month and its a pain in the bollox | |||
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"If you want to have a new and largely untested experimental vaccine injected into your body in order to get a certificate of compliance, go right ahead and line up behind the other sheep. Not vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, because I had Covid last year and only had very mild symptoms. In 2009, decade before COVID-19 appeared, the world faced a different pandemic: a resurgence of the H1N1 influenza virus, or “swine flu” as this version was known. The drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline took a vaccine it had already developed to combat the H5N1 (bird flu) virus and quickly adapted it for swine flu. The new vaccine was pushed out in the U.K. and other European countries—it was never authorized in the U.S.—to inoculate health care workers, small children, and at-risk people such as asthmatics. “By February 2010, doctors were noticing that there were large numbers of people being diagnosed with narcolepsy,” Based on big pharma's wonderful track record of producing drugs and vaccines that had to be withdrawn from the market because of overwhelming evidence the drugs caused significant health issues. " 100% correct & what did our government do . The government you trust, they tried to use up that same pandemrix vac as the flue vaccine even after other countries had linked it to a 13 fold increase in Narcolepsy, which is a neurological auto immune disease. The youngest to be diagnosed here was just 3 years old getting it. The disorder was previously not recognised in children.. and the government are fighting tooth & nail with only two cases been taken to the high court so far.. | |||
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"The digital vaccine pass is a platform that will allow the state full control over your access to all public services and many private businesses so banks, shops, etc. It will form part of a social credit rating platform for all citizens which is currently on trial in China. Welcome to stakeholder capitalism and the Great Reset. It sounds like socialism but its going to feel a lot like communism. Not many conspiracy theories left folks. They are coming for your kids. Can they take them this weekend for a few days....could do with a holiday Tbh I was watching this thread and was wondering how long it would take to hit head banger territory I hope you like surprises. We love surprises. I just don't love conspiracy theory bullshit from head bangers who think some mysterious cabal is behind the scenes running the world. Bond level villain shit right there. The Great Reset is not a conspiracy and the people behind it are not a mystery. Is it the social credit rating system you think is a conspiracy? " Listen I've been dealing with head bangers going on about "the great reset", 5g, depopulation and how trump will save the world for over 18 months now. Guess what they all had in common? Grasping for straws to fill out the gaps in whatever horse shit they read on the Internet peddled by Grifters. Good night now. | |||
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"The digital vaccine pass is a platform that will allow the state full control over your access to all public services and many private businesses so banks, shops, etc. It will form part of a social credit rating platform for all citizens which is currently on trial in China. Welcome to stakeholder capitalism and the Great Reset. It sounds like socialism but its going to feel a lot like communism. Not many conspiracy theories left folks. They are coming for your kids. Can they take them this weekend for a few days....could do with a holiday Tbh I was watching this thread and was wondering how long it would take to hit head banger territory I hope you like surprises. We love surprises. I just don't love conspiracy theory bullshit from head bangers who think some mysterious cabal is behind the scenes running the world. Bond level villain shit right there. The Great Reset is not a conspiracy and the people behind it are not a mystery. Is it the social credit rating system you think is a conspiracy? Listen I've been dealing with head bangers going on about "the great reset", 5g, depopulation and how trump will save the world for over 18 months now. Guess what they all had in common? Grasping for straws to fill out the gaps in whatever horse shit they read on the Internet peddled by Grifters. Good night now. " Pmsl... is the Great Reset a conspiracy? | |||
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"The digital vaccine pass is a platform that will allow the state full control over your access to all public services and many private businesses so banks, shops, etc. It will form part of a social credit rating platform for all citizens which is currently on trial in China. Welcome to stakeholder capitalism and the Great Reset. It sounds like socialism but its going to feel a lot like communism. Not many conspiracy theories left folks. They are coming for your kids. Can they take them this weekend for a few days....could do with a holiday Tbh I was watching this thread and was wondering how long it would take to hit head banger territory I hope you like surprises. We love surprises. I just don't love conspiracy theory bullshit from head bangers who think some mysterious cabal is behind the scenes running the world. Bond level villain shit right there. The Great Reset is not a conspiracy and the people behind it are not a mystery. Is it the social credit rating system you think is a conspiracy? I actually feel sorry for you being so stupid in believing something thats a blatant lie and conspiracy theory. I know no matter what anyone says you'll have an answer from the Alt right handbook of stupid answers for those that don't believe No need to feel sorry for me. The great reset/ fourth industrial revolution is not a conspiracy theory, its being sold to you and I as "build back better". Anyone can search for it. What's the blatant lie? The social credit rating system also exists. So what do you think is going to happen now ? Will vaccinating children be mandatory? " an awful lot of parents won't vaccinate their children but these rules coming in on what u can do if vaccinated to not vaccinated is going to create a 2 tiered society but I do hope we reach that 85% mark of fully vaccinated or fuck knows what rules the government will continue in place. | |||
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"The digital vaccine pass is a platform that will allow the state full control over your access to all public services and many private businesses so banks, shops, etc. It will form part of a social credit rating platform for all citizens which is currently on trial in China. Welcome to stakeholder capitalism and the Great Reset. It sounds like socialism but its going to feel a lot like communism. Not many conspiracy theories left folks. They are coming for your kids. Can they take them this weekend for a few days....could do with a holiday Tbh I was watching this thread and was wondering how long it would take to hit head banger territory I hope you like surprises. We love surprises. I just don't love conspiracy theory bullshit from head bangers who think some mysterious cabal is behind the scenes running the world. Bond level villain shit right there. The Great Reset is not a conspiracy and the people behind it are not a mystery. Is it the social credit rating system you think is a conspiracy? I actually feel sorry for you being so stupid in believing something thats a blatant lie and conspiracy theory. I know no matter what anyone says you'll have an answer from the Alt right handbook of stupid answers for those that don't believe No need to feel sorry for me. The great reset/ fourth industrial revolution is not a conspiracy theory, its being sold to you and I as "build back better". Anyone can search for it. What's the blatant lie? The social credit rating system also exists. So what do you think is going to happen now ? Will vaccinating children be mandatory? an awful lot of parents won't vaccinate their children but these rules coming in on what u can do if vaccinated to not vaccinated is going to create a 2 tiered society but I do hope we reach that 85% mark of fully vaccinated or fuck knows what rules the government will continue in place." To be fair that is my fear, I don't give a crap about me.. but what are we leaving for 5yem with all their freedoms gone. | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this." I know atleast 200 people who didn't wear a mask, didn't stay indoors during lock downs and are not getting vaccanted. One or two had a mild "cold" and out of all the people I mention above, no one died or anyone in there close contacts died or became sick. Very strange that is. I'd ha é thought some would have gotten very seriously ill or even worse or someone close to them would have contacted it and become ill. Again, very strange. I'm starting to thí k the conspiracy theorists information ha e some valid points to them which is becoming true. | |||
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"We'll get the usual fuckwits on here and in real life complaining and taking video as they hassle some 18 kid who insists on seeing their cert. The one's that get them by email will copy and send via WhatsApp to their mates to cheat the system Its not like going into a gig where the ticket can only be scanned once Also if everyone is vaccinated why the time limit anyway Usual shite from the usual shite government " "Usual shite from the usual shite government" is thrown around so much, but what would be your ideal alternative? Who do you want in power and what do you want then to do? | |||
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"Genuine question: Vaccinated people can still catch and spread the virus. Vaccine only effectively protects a person from getting more ill, not the ones who he spreads it to. Bonus points- a lot of vaccinated people seem to be mistaking their now mild covid for hay-fever and not passing any remarks about it. So if vaccine doesn't stop you from catching nor spreading it, what exactly is vaccination passport support to achieve apart from dividing people and demonising those who can't/won't take the shot? The vaccine protects the vast majority of the vaccinated from getting seriously ill. So why exactly do you need a "passport" to prove anything to anyone? Because its very safe (from serious illness) for a group of vaccinated people to be indoors together. Not so for the unvaccinated. This is a mechanism that controls this. I know atleast 200 people who didn't wear a mask, didn't stay indoors during lock downs and are not getting vaccanted. One or two had a mild "cold" and out of all the people I mention above, no one died or anyone in there close contacts died or became sick. Very strange that is. I'd ha é thought some would have gotten very seriously ill or even worse or someone close to them would have contacted it and become ill. Again, very strange. I'm starting to thí k the conspiracy theorists information ha e some valid points to them which is becoming true. " I know two people who died from covid, one caught it at a massive family gathering at Christmas and was in late 50s. One caught it off their child who got it in school, she was late 30s and diabetic. It's very, very real. | |||
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"We'll get the usual fuckwits on here and in real life complaining and taking video as they hassle some 18 kid who insists on seeing their cert. The one's that get them by email will copy and send via WhatsApp to their mates to cheat the system Its not like going into a gig where the ticket can only be scanned once Also if everyone is vaccinated why the time limit anyway Usual shite from the usual shite government "Usual shite from the usual shite government" is thrown around so much, but what would be your ideal alternative? Who do you want in power and what do you want then to do? " Haven't a clue till the next election to be honest but think this lot are useless. Possibly the worst Taoiseach we've ever had with his party practically wiped out so they'll try to stay in power as long as possible because they're gone at the next election | |||
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"Whatever about questioning everything, I would question the media. It has been totally fear based the whole way true, did we really need to have a case and death ticker. If they used the same method of counting cases of people who "died with and not of" you could apply the same sort of figures to other things like the flu. As for the health experts, they showed feck all care for anything else but covid. They seem to be more political then actual scientists and I would even go as far as saying, they are the ones running the countries at the moment. All over the world politicians claimed that the vaccine wouldn't be mandatory, but if you really want to take part in society again you will have to be vaxxed. Rights have been stripped away left, right and centre, I couldn't care less if someone does or doesn't not take the vaccine, it's their body, their choice. But never before has anyone had to show any medical history like they are expected to do now. Last but in no ways least, "trust the science" even if they have a vested interest and the creator of the pcr test said in a filmed interview that the pcr test was not for testing viruses and didn't have a kind word to say about Tony Fauci. " https://www.thejournal.ie/kary-mullis-pcr-testing-factcheck-debunk-hse-5271830-Nov2020/ | |||
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"Whatever about questioning everything, I would question the media. It has been totally fear based the whole way true, did we really need to have a case and death ticker. If they used the same method of counting cases of people who "died with and not of" you could apply the same sort of figures to other things like the flu. As for the health experts, they showed feck all care for anything else but covid. They seem to be more political then actual scientists and I would even go as far as saying, they are the ones running the countries at the moment. All over the world politicians claimed that the vaccine wouldn't be mandatory, but if you really want to take part in society again you will have to be vaxxed. Rights have been stripped away left, right and centre, I couldn't care less if someone does or doesn't not take the vaccine, it's their body, their choice. But never before has anyone had to show any medical history like they are expected to do now. Last but in no ways least, "trust the science" even if they have a vested interest and the creator of the pcr test said in a filmed interview that the pcr test was not for testing viruses and didn't have a kind word to say about Tony Fauci. https://www.thejournal.ie/kary-mullis-pcr-testing-factcheck-debunk-hse-5271830-Nov2020/ " I trust so called fact checkers even less.
He didn't say it couldn't pick up the covid 19 virus because because he died before covid 19 existed. So your fact checkers are flat out lying in that article.
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"So the radio says today we (vaccinated people) will begin to get our vaccination digital certificates. The government are due to open indoor dining for us using the certificate. Personally I think it's a great idea. What are your opinions on this vaccine bonus?" And they're allowing under 18s that arent vaccinated in with their families...plus a lot of staff would be of that age ..approx ..and they may not be vaccinated either ...didnt think covid could determine who was under 18 or not...point being..people vaccinated, who can still carry the covid, being served by those that arent... | |||
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"I will never trust a person who used the Bing search engine. Too many unanswered questions. Also Bill Gates is probably directing your queries in order to control your mind. My phone doesn't have Google because its one of the Chinese brands. Sure doesn't matter what search engine you use, they all spying on you, in some way shape or form. Our phones seem to know what we are interested in whether it's purchasing things, political views or other things. We all controlled by the damn things and these algorithms are defo controlling minds, you would be foolish to think they aren't. I ain't into all conspiracy theories, like 5g, Donald trump is going to save the world or others like it. But I also ain't in fear of a virus with over 99% survival rate, the biggest virus to me is how our devices have us controlled. " I wouldn't disagree on the devices. These things are the worst thing in the history of our species for personal privacy. If I could only put the bloody thing down I'd be delighted. Youre also right that google/apple/Microsoft are all as bad as each other at this. If yoi can't figure out what the product is... then you ARE the product. Data is value and that's how these peoole make their money these days. We are getting off topic tho. | |||
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"I will never trust a person who used the Bing search engine. Too many unanswered questions. Also Bill Gates is probably directing your queries in order to control your mind. My phone doesn't have Google because its one of the Chinese brands. Sure doesn't matter what search engine you use, they all spying on you, in some way shape or form. Our phones seem to know what we are interested in whether it's purchasing things, political views or other things. We all controlled by the damn things and these algorithms are defo controlling minds, you would be foolish to think they aren't. I ain't into all conspiracy theories, like 5g, Donald trump is going to save the world or others like it. But I also ain't in fear of a virus with over 99% survival rate, the biggest virus to me is how our devices have us controlled. I wouldn't disagree on the devices. These things are the worst thing in the history of our species for personal privacy. If I could only put the bloody thing down I'd be delighted. Youre also right that google/apple/Microsoft are all as bad as each other at this. If yoi can't figure out what the product is... then you ARE the product. Data is value and that's how these peoole make their money these days. We are getting off topic tho." Vaccine passports are very socialist, communist or fascist things, sure all they are short of doing is sticking a sticker on the unvaxxed, but maybe that's a bit to obvious. Nobody should have to know anyone's medical history, what ever happened to the likes of GDPR. Its all carrot and the stick, bribing people with freedoms of going for a pint or on holidays. | |||
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"Lol... which is it? Socialist, communist, or fascist? Pick one ffs "Their ain't much in the difference, look and Venezuela, Cuba and the old USSR. And sure Hitler was a socialist, even the nazi party viewed themselves as sociolists and sure its in the name. | |||
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"Okay. Not all socialists are nazis now. Phew" Not all socialists have good intentions. Same as any political idealogy. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-are-considered-socialist.html#:~:text=Socialist%20countries%20are%20classified%20into%20two%20categories%3A%20countries,These%20countries%20are%20China%2C%20Cuba%2C%20Laos%2C%20and%20Vietnam. | |||
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"The unvaccinated will bear the brunt of the restrictions rather than everyone...from the beginning of august, the vax pass will be needed for coffee shops, restaurants, supermarkets, hospitals, trains, buses etc...” France today. " No point in saying it will be shops, supermarkets, hospitals, trains, buses etc. Without proof. Seriously they can't and won't even try to pass that. | |||
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"The unvaccinated will bear the brunt of the restrictions rather than everyone...from the beginning of august, the vax pass will be needed for coffee shops, restaurants, supermarkets, hospitals, trains, buses etc...” France today. " I was talking to a friend last night who lives there and the pressure is on as it's going to affect nearly every aspect of life for the unvaccinated. The uptake of vaccination there has been slow so I wonder will the population succumb for their freedoms and I wonder will our government follow suit. | |||
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"We got our certificates today It's a start" Email or post type | |||
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"The unvaccinated will bear the brunt of the restrictions rather than everyone...from the beginning of august, the vax pass will be needed for coffee shops, restaurants, supermarkets, hospitals, trains, buses etc...” France today. It's rather Sunny in France today too but that also has feck all to do with us as we live in Ireland " | |||
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"So the radio says today we (vaccinated people) will begin to get our vaccination digital certificates. The government are due to open indoor dining for us using the certificate. Personally I think it's a great idea. What are your opinions on this vaccine bonus?" I think its a good idea alright, but the minister that described it as medical apartheid last week was possibly one of the most fucking ridiculous statements i ever heard!! | |||
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" the biggest virus to me is how our devices have us controlled. " And yet you still seem to have one….. Devices are a trade of between giving information to get information, but that’s other topic. | |||
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" the biggest virus to me is how our devices have us controlled. And yet you still seem to have one….. Devices are a trade of between giving information to get information, but that’s other topic." devices are apart of life now! | |||
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" the biggest virus to me is how our devices have us controlled. And yet you still seem to have one….. Devices are a trade of between giving information to get information, but that’s other topic. devices are apart of life now!" They sure are, but I will never go down the road of wearables and definitely not implantables. I have a 5g able phone, but I ain't paying extra, just so I can stream things quicker. | |||
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" I know atleast 200 people who didn't wear a mask, didn't stay indoors during lock downs and are not getting vaccanted. One or two had a mild "cold" and out of all the people I mention above, no one died or anyone in there close contacts died or became sick. Very strange that is. I'd ha é thought some would have gotten very seriously ill or even worse or someone close to them would have contacted it and become ill. Again, very strange. I'm starting to thí k the conspiracy theorists information ha e some valid points to them which is becoming true. So to be clear, you know of 0.004% of the population that didn’t contract Covid-19 and you think this is proof of the largest global conspiracy theory in the history of the world? And not that they didn’t either contract the disease because of the restrictions, or the responsible actions of others around them in the population? Ya, you’re on to something there alright." Sorry, but your putting words into my quote! I did not say anything about proof about conspiracy theories! I did say it was strange like many things to do with covid. | |||
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"Its absolute madness in my opinion, the people working in these places won't be vaccinated, the talk of non vaccinated under 18s being allowed in accompanied by a vaccinated adult wheres the logic in that plus vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus you really wonder who makes these decisions. People have every right to refuse the vaccine if they choose to and by doing this will demonise those people. I'm all for opening everything up but what their doing is the usual Irish whataboutery way of doing things arse about elbow." How would you do it then? | |||
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"I have my cert. Just got the email. It will certainly make my work life easier as I have to meet clients in their work places. We have to reopen in a safe way and this is a positive way of checking off if people are ok to be in enclosed places." You see a lot of people are too self entitled to see that and would it put down to the government wanting to track them etc etc. | |||
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"Its absolute madness in my opinion, the people working in these places won't be vaccinated, the talk of non vaccinated under 18s being allowed in accompanied by a vaccinated adult wheres the logic in that plus vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus you really wonder who makes these decisions. People have every right to refuse the vaccine if they choose to and by doing this will demonise those people. I'm all for opening everything up but what their doing is the usual Irish whataboutery way of doing things arse about elbow. How would you do it then?" Differently from the start I'm not going to start listing it out if the country had of been locked down properly we wouldn't be talking about this, the whole handling of Covid has been one fiasco after another, showing absoloute incompetence from all 3 parties in government it wouldnt have taken a genius to have done things differently and for the good of the people not for big business | |||
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"Its absolute madness in my opinion, the people working in these places won't be vaccinated, the talk of non vaccinated under 18s being allowed in accompanied by a vaccinated adult wheres the logic in that plus vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus you really wonder who makes these decisions. People have every right to refuse the vaccine if they choose to and by doing this will demonise those people. I'm all for opening everything up but what their doing is the usual Irish whataboutery way of doing things arse about elbow. How would you do it then? Differently from the start I'm not going to start listing it out if the country had of been locked down properly we wouldn't be talking about this, the whole handling of Covid has been one fiasco after another, showing absoloute incompetence from all 3 parties in government it wouldnt have taken a genius to have done things differently and for the good of the people not for big business" Well I agree, with everything but the last remark about big buisnesses. I love consumerism! I think Jeff Bezoz single handedly helped more people during lockdown than any other person on the planet! He indirectly saved millions of lives, facilotating people to shop from home instead of mingling in public. The man is a hero, and the likes of Amazon deserved to thrive during all this. | |||
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"Just got digi cert by email today! So when someone goes to use it say in a restaurant you'd probably have to show some form of I.D as well to prove that's actually your cert! Forget to bring your passport or driving license then what? Plus every restaurant you visit that needs a digi cert every fucker will know your age which is pretty intrusive of ones personal info " Lord yes imagine stangers u will never meet again knowing your age What an invasion of privacy...how very dare they | |||
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"Jaysus.. jeff bezoz and larry goodman on a thread about covid certs.. talk about tangents, or is it theories.. I'm undecided on conspiracies, hmmm.. tinfoil hat on, facebook for research. Sorted. I thought the nazi/socialism bit was the real low point So far" | |||
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"Just got digi cert by email today! So when someone goes to use it say in a restaurant you'd probably have to show some form of I.D as well to prove that's actually your cert! Forget to bring your passport or driving license then what? Plus every restaurant you visit that needs a digi cert every fucker will know your age which is pretty intrusive of ones personal info Probably the least intrusive personal info you can give in fairness Why would you care if someone knew your age " Exactly.. being a bogger is much worse | |||
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"Just got digi cert by email today! So when someone goes to use it say in a restaurant you'd probably have to show some form of I.D as well to prove that's actually your cert! Forget to bring your passport or driving license then what? Plus every restaurant you visit that needs a digi cert every fucker will know your age which is pretty intrusive of ones personal info Probably the least intrusive personal info you can give in fairness Why would you care if someone knew your age Exactly.. being a bogger is much worse "Definitely I'd hate to be a bogger | |||
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"I think the better thing to do was open indoor hospitality for everyone with the correct procedures in place. " took over 170 posts for someone to say it... for me it's either open for all or don't open at all anything in between is divisive and pointlessly unworkable | |||
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