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"There will be trouble there yet!" Yet ? So the past 70 odd years haven't been trouble ? | |||
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"What are your views ? " My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. | |||
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"Israel please stop killing kids " Hamas are as guilty as Israel for this... America needs to stop back the Israelis with money, weapons a d political backing. The American Jewiush vote isn't worth the blood being spilled on both sides. | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. " I'm curious to know what you think would happen if tomorrow Israel pulled back to its borders off either 1948 or even 1967 and scaled back it's military... | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. I'm curious to know what you think would happen if tomorrow Israel pulled back to its borders off either 1948 or even 1967 and scaled back it's military..." I would believe there is a Santa! | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. I'm curious to know what you think would happen if tomorrow Israel pulled back to its borders off either 1948 or even 1967 and scaled back it's military..." I would believe there is a Santa! | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. I'm curious to know what you think would happen if tomorrow Israel pulled back to its borders off either 1948 or even 1967 and scaled back it's military... I would believe there is a Santa!" i guess your version off santa and mine ( hubby twosum ) are both very different then. | |||
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"It's an Apartheid system designed by the ideology of Zionism. It actually heartbreaking what's been allowed to go there for the past couple of decades. You're talking about the worlds #4 military against a Palestinian state that doesn't have a government, or a right to Citizenship in what was their own country. It seems the UN are scared as mice to call them out and have been forever, and because the state of Isreal is backed by the US every other Government or world leader wont act. I'm actually surprised the ambassador hasn't been told to leave Ireland yet however. The Irish government has been very progressive in calling them out over the years." Anyone calling Israel out on it is automatically called anti-Semitic. Remember when mosad used fake Irish passports to enter Dubai and kill someone and when our government expelled a diplomat they where called anti-Semitic by Israel in the UN | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. " My feelings also on this | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. My feelings also on this " Totally agree | |||
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"Have a listen to Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem podcast, its a series and sone of the episodes are 5 hours long but really interesting. He presents the history form both sides. My dad is a big war/military historian. Alot of his interest focused on the Israeli military and some of the amazing victories they had battling again Arab armies from all sides. So I kinda had a leaning towards the Israelis and their "plight" as a kid. After listening to that podcast I had a realisation...."fuck, the Israelis are the bad guys here"." Try and get your hands on The Great War For Civilisation by Robert Fisk. Any trace of admiration for the Israeli war machine will instantly evaporate. Its always amazed me how a people do beset on through history can then turn around and dole out the same suffering on others. | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. " i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it." Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs. | |||
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"What are your views ? " So frustrating not being able to do much from my position, besides being informed and making sure people coming to this part of the world looking for shelter and an opportunity to live and have a future for them and their families, feel safe and welcomed........it’s just so sad and unjust what’s going on for generations | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs." | |||
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"Modern day colonialism. Israel has continued to take land, displace families and murder innocent civilians. I'm not saying Hamas are good by any means either. But the ideology of the state of Israel if that of supremacy, and they won't be happy till Palestine is erased. Palestinian aggression is more reactionary, and I come to think what if my family was bombed, kicked out of their homes in favour of Jewish settler, stopped going to prayer and deprived of resources, how would j act. It's a tough one. I'd like to note it's an Israeli issue, not a Jewish one. Some people use this issue as a means to promote anti semitism. " Absolutely spot on. Unfortunately the news only reports when the Palestinians hit back. The media is silent for the everyday constant oppression of the Palestinians. Its horrific, we are watching a vast literal ethnic cleansing campaign against the Palestinians by the Zionist Israelis. Extermination of the Palestinians is the aim. Think Cromwell and his cry of to hell or to connaught and ye'll get an idea... | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. " The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home." I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home." Been reading a lot since I queried it and I’ve come to the same idea. When I was travelling in SA 25yrs ago, and especially in Roarks Drift I had to repeatedly explain that I understood the plight of the Zulus more than the plight of the British. Being white, it wasn’t under stood. | |||
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"I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe." Me too, and you’re quite right, it’s a complicated melting pot of conflicts over there and can be easy to get caught in the middle and suffer the wrath from any side. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home.I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe." You still haven't clarified if you were calling me a Nazi or an antisemite? | |||
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"I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe. Me too, and you’re quite right, it’s a complicated melting pot of conflicts over there and can be easy to get caught in the middle and suffer the wrath from any side." the thing is we did...a burst of 7.62 or a round off HE doesn't discriminate but the dipshits that fired them did..be it Hezbollah or Israeli backed proxies at the time....Guess a few are missing the small print that Hamas aren't the freedom fighters they claim to be,but nothing more then attack dogs for Iran. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home.I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe. You still haven't clarified if you were calling me a Nazi or an antisemite? " which ever one you are comfortable with,seeing as I'm one off those Israeli apologists i think you hint at me being. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home.I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe. You still haven't clarified if you were calling me a Nazi or an antisemite? which ever one you are comfortable with,seeing as I'm one off those Israeli apologists i think you hint at me being." I didn't hint at you being and Israel apologist I called you one but you had to hint you didn't even have the guts to come out and call me one. That speaks volumes | |||
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"The Irish can be full of bullshit, all shocked and outraged at something they have just the barest concept of something that is happening safety thousands of miles away, all very trendy to tut tut over from the safety of the dinner party table, the luvvies even do something daring like flying a Palestine flag on a public building, it is a useful distraction from the problems of drugs, violence and inequality here at Home, i remember when I was a young teen and a south African rugby team came to Ireland, thousands of self righteous, smug clowns were marching up and down the street chanting slogans they didn't even understand, at the very same time, 90 miles up the road the British army were shooting there fellow Irish people like dogs, and not a whimper from the luvvies in Dublin, far to close to home for them, much better when the cause you are passionate about is safety a few thousand miles away " Jist because Ireland was dealing with its own shit doesn't mean it couldn't see that apartheid was wrong too. | |||
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"Im also really interested in why the Irish are mostly supportive of Palestine. It makes complete sense to me but foe the most part, the world supports Israel. I don’t get it. The Irish are mostly supportive because if you talk to people from that region they will tell you that they feel that the Irish have gone through a similar situation, It also because of the amount of time Irish troops have been working with the UN in that part of the world and the stories they have brought home.I spent time in that part off the world and it wasn't always Israeli backed milita shooting or shelling us,we got our fair share from the other side too,sometimes it's not as black and white as mainstream media has you believe. You still haven't clarified if you were calling me a Nazi or an antisemite? which ever one you are comfortable with,seeing as I'm one off those Israeli apologists i think you hint at me being. I didn't hint at you being and Israel apologist I called you one but you had to hint you didn't even have the guts to come out and call me one. That speaks volumes " A nazi,no....antisemite yes,is that guts enough. | |||
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"The Irish can be full of bullshit, all shocked and outraged at something they have just the barest concept of something that is happening safety thousands of miles away, all very trendy to tut tut over from the safety of the dinner party table, the luvvies even do something daring like flying a Palestine flag on a public building, it is a useful distraction from the problems of drugs, violence and inequality here at Home, i remember when I was a young teen and a south African rugby team came to Ireland, thousands of self righteous, smug clowns were marching up and down the street chanting slogans they didn't even understand, at the very same time, 90 miles up the road the British army were shooting there fellow Irish people like dogs, and not a whimper from the luvvies in Dublin, far to close to home for them, much better when the cause you are passionate about is safety a few thousand miles away Jist because Ireland was dealing with its own shit doesn't mean it couldn't see that apartheid was wrong too. " of course aparthaid was wrong and there are countless other gross injustices happening all over the world, the point i am making is the hypocrisy of so many Irish people marching in the street's about problems miles away and being total cowards when it came to confronting the very real injustice on there own doorstep, during the troubles 95% of the people in the republic turned their backs on their fellow country people in the north, but were passionate about causes on the other side of the world which they knew nothing about and they faced zero risk, physical, financial or any other way, but it gave them a warm smug glow | |||
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"Modern day colonialism. Israel has continued to take land, displace families and murder innocent civilians. I'm not saying Hamas are good by any means either. But the ideology of the state of Israel if that of supremacy, and they won't be happy till Palestine is erased. Palestinian aggression is more reactionary, and I come to think what if my family was bombed, kicked out of their homes in favour of Jewish settler, stopped going to prayer and deprived of resources, how would j act. It's a tough one. I'd like to note it's an Israeli issue, not a Jewish one. Some people use this issue as a means to promote anti semitism. " | |||
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"I wholeheartedly agree. Israel have no interest in a 2 state solution. Just the final solution. UN and US are a joke on this issue. And like you said ‘anti-semites’ are anyone who disagrees with the land grab. I already boycott Israeli goods in supermarkets. Modern day colonialism. Israel has continued to take land, displace families and murder innocent civilians. I'm not saying Hamas are good by any means either. But the ideology of the state of Israel if that of supremacy, and they won't be happy till Palestine is erased. Palestinian aggression is more reactionary, and I come to think what if my family was bombed, kicked out of their homes in favour of Jewish settler, stopped going to prayer and deprived of resources, how would j act. It's a tough one. I'd like to note it's an Israeli issue, not a Jewish one. Some people use this issue as a means to promote anti semitism. " If you are passionate about boycotting Israeli goods then you better stop using your mobile phone, laptop, tablet electric cars and just about everything smart as they all are totally dependent on micro chips manufactured by the Jewish/Israeli/us firm intel,you should also lobby for the closure of the Intel plants in lexlip and shannon and put 10,000 Irish people out of work, | |||
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"It’s Iran flexing their muscle through their Palestinian stooges showing that taking out one of their top guerilla warfare experts hasn’t hurt them one bit and the Israelis reciprocating how they now best. Unfortunately neither side seems to be very willing to share a space on this planet and things will continue to be very nasty and dirty until they do or one is completely beaten." How should the "share" process happen ? What is defined as success for that ? It seems ethnic cleansing of one group by the other isn't likely to produce a "sharing is caring" attitude . . | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs." Its called the holocaust industry. Criticise Israel and your a anti semite . Its smoke and mirror tactics to mask the terrible atrocities of the Israeli regime. However the imaginary friend in the sky decreed thousands of years ago that the Jews were the chosen people setting aside the notion that a kind benevolent God would hardly deem one race more worthy than another , so the land belonged to them . God the great celestial estate agent. | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs. Its called the holocaust industry. Criticise Israel and your a anti semite . Its smoke and mirror tactics to mask the terrible atrocities of the Israeli regime. However the imaginary friend in the sky decreed thousands of years ago that the Jews were the chosen people setting aside the notion that a kind benevolent God would hardly deem one race more worthy than another , so the land belonged to them . God the great celestial estate agent." They try to own every land they occupy , They Got the money the input into governments , Germany saw what was going to happen to them and dealt with it , Not in the right way , Where ever the chosen peoples go or anyone nation can think life is all about them , Then god help us all | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs. Its called the holocaust industry. Criticise Israel and your a anti semite . Its smoke and mirror tactics to mask the terrible atrocities of the Israeli regime. However the imaginary friend in the sky decreed thousands of years ago that the Jews were the chosen people setting aside the notion that a kind benevolent God would hardly deem one race more worthy than another , so the land belonged to them . God the great celestial estate agent.They try to own every land they occupy , They Got the money the input into governments , Germany saw what was going to happen to them and dealt with it , Not in the right way , Where ever the chosen peoples go or anyone nation can think life is all about them , Then god help us all " The sooner people realise.there is no god to help us the better. There is no god assigning land masses . There is no god who finds car keys There is a resistance to the knowledge we are just evolved primates on a spinning pale blue dot. | |||
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" Israel literally commit every single atrocity you can imagine. Even under the Geneva convention their recent acts are considered war crimes. If it were any other country, they would have been invaded by down by the US and the UK, but these Zionist have so much control over our government that our media is narrating these events as ‘clashes’ instead of the ethnic cleansing and genocide that it actually is. Just look at the death statistics for this week and you clearly can see this isn’t a war. It’s a one sided massacre Also I find it funny how some people will claim Palestinians have no right to live in their own home, even though their grandparents have been alive longer than the state of Israel and they can trace their lineage back in that region to biblical times, yet Jews who come from Europe, and have European surnames and grandparents who were born in Poland, Germany, Russia, hungry etc have more right to migrate there than ethnic Palestinians who are indigenous to that land. " I know right,those pesky Jews how dare they want to live in a part off the world they can also be indigenous too...the bloody cheek...but the I'm sure the 130 Hamas rockets fired towards Ashkelon,Sderot,Netivot in Israel were just a big mistake. | |||
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"Israel is a terrorist state.. " that's a big claim cotton.. | |||
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" Israel literally commit every single atrocity you can imagine. Even under the Geneva convention their recent acts are considered war crimes. If it were any other country, they would have been invaded by down by the US and the UK, but these Zionist have so much control over our government that our media is narrating these events as ‘clashes’ instead of the ethnic cleansing and genocide that it actually is. Just look at the death statistics for this week and you clearly can see this isn’t a war. It’s a one sided massacre Also I find it funny how some people will claim Palestinians have no right to live in their own home, even though their grandparents have been alive longer than the state of Israel and they can trace their lineage back in that region to biblical times, yet Jews who come from Europe, and have European surnames and grandparents who were born in Poland, Germany, Russia, hungry etc have more right to migrate there than ethnic Palestinians who are indigenous to that land. I know right,those pesky Jews how dare they want to live in a part off the world they can also be indigenous too...the bloody cheek...but the I'm sure the 130 Hamas rockets fired towards Ashkelon,Sderot,Netivot in Israel were just a big mistake." And the point being that most of the Jews in Israel/palestine weren't in fact indigenous to there. Most have come from Europe Russia and America. To claim that they are indigenous to there would be like irish catholics saying that they are indigenous to Italy because Catholic people have lived there or to the Vatican city because of their religious claim to it. Or even better again for Christians from every part of the world to say that tbey are indigenous to israel/Palestine because Christianity originated there and is very important to Christians | |||
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"Israel is a terrorist state.. that's a big claim cotton.." Why's that's cotton? | |||
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"What are your views ? My views are that Israel and all Israeli goods should be boycotted until such time that all illegally occupied land is returned band that the Palestinian people are no longer in what is basically an open prison. If the west bank or Gaza had oil they would have been liberated by the US years ago. i guess what you want is to see that part off the mid east judenfrei...seeing as both Arabs and Jews have claim to it. Judenfrei ?? Are you backhandedly calling me a nazi because don't support Israel's continued land grab and imprisonment of Palestinians ?? See this is the problem with Israel apologists they go straight to Nazism if you say anything against Israel. Where in anything I've said did I even hint at the removal of Jewish people from Israel? I did say that they shouldn't be allowed to build on someone else's land. Land that isn't theirs was never theirs. Its called the holocaust industry. Criticise Israel and your a anti semite . Its smoke and mirror tactics to mask the terrible atrocities of the Israeli regime. However the imaginary friend in the sky decreed thousands of years ago that the Jews were the chosen people setting aside the notion that a kind benevolent God would hardly deem one race more worthy than another , so the land belonged to them . God the great celestial estate agent." Didn't think it take this long to mention the real culprit in all of this, 'Religion'. All the other concerns are real but more smoke and mirrors. Religion is the biggest divisive threat to peace in the middle East. | |||
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"When you say anything bad about Israel, you're considered an anti semite because Israel is a Jewish state. But really, calling out Israel is being anti Zionist. Anti Zionism (being against the state of Israel and their action of settling in Palestinian lands) and anti Semitism (being against Jews) are not the same thing. Afterall, there are a portion of Jews that are anti Zionism/Israel " Well said. | |||
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"It’s Iran flexing their muscle through their Palestinian stooges showing that taking out one of their top guerilla warfare experts hasn’t hurt them one bit and the Israelis reciprocating how they now best. Unfortunately neither side seems to be very willing to share a space on this planet and things will continue to be very nasty and dirty until they do or one is completely beaten. How should the "share" process happen ? What is defined as success for that ? It seems ethnic cleansing of one group by the other isn't likely to produce a "sharing is caring" attitude . ." How did other apparently implacable enemies come to agreements in the past ? Once the cost of conflict becomes too high they talk. The current state of affairs with Israel and the Palestinians is that both still seem to be way too willing to cause and tolerate bloodshed. Foreign support and interference plays a substantial part in keeping that willingness to cause and accept casualties at the levels it is. | |||
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"There is so much virtue signaling abd moralizing in this forum...sad really, the only important question that should be asked is whats the fab scene like in that part of the world " Amen | |||
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