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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What's everyone's thoughts on this?

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

My kids class half of the kids down with covid... and that was with only 2 classes back and only 1/4 of the kids in...

What are my thoughts about a bunch of people protesting lockdown??

I believe they should sit at home like the rest of us... but they won't... freedom of speech and all that.... if they get sick that's on them...

This shit show will continue because people don't listen...

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"What's everyone's thoughts on this?"

My thoughts are that there's a special kind of ass-backward logic at play in engaging in an activity that's causing lockdown in order to protest lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand the effects of lockdown and mental health etc but you can still socialize while adhering to the rules thanks to technology.

I dont see how protesting in the streets helping when its just gonna spread it more. College students are having house parties left right and centre and then you wonder why there's an increase in cases

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I believe people are protesting because the government are only telling half truths when it comes to the science and data behind covid and telling half truths is the same as telling lies

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"I believe people are protesting because the government are only telling half truths when it comes to the science and data behind covid and telling half truths is the same as telling lies"

... the Irish government is getting its data from the WHO along with every other nation on earth.

You also don't get to literally kill people in protest against the principle of politicians lying.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

... the Irish government is getting its data from the WHO along with every other nation on earth.

Leo Varadkar said himself on video that when people die in nursing homes they were counted as covid deaths

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's everyone's thoughts on this?

My thoughts are that there's a special kind of ass-backward logic at play in engaging in an activity that's causing lockdown in order to protest lockdown. "

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense"

Oppressive? Seriously?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there is genuine criticisms of how the government handled this pandemic and they must certainly be addressed. But the protest will do nothing but lead to an increase in cases.

The likes of Gemma Doherty spouthing her conspiracy theories are dangerous. Lots of her followers were at the previous protest in Dublin.

Anyone with a bit of sense would protest in a way that would not endanger anyone. But this proves these protesters are not sensible.

Sign a petition, call your local radio station, whatever. It's your right to protest but do so in a reasonable, empathetic way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...

Leo Varadkar said himself on video that when people die in nursing homes they were counted as covid deaths"

In terms of data collection you're better having a false positive than a false negative, so if there is any doubt, mark it as covid. No harm if you record a few numbers higher, but if you underplay the disease then there can be seriously dangerous consequences.

Even so, why do you think that is an issue that makes a difference?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

"

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"... the Irish government is getting its data from the WHO along with every other nation on earth.

Leo Varadkar said himself on video that when people die in nursing homes they were counted as covid deaths"

There is an interview of TD McNamarra with the health officials how COV19 cases are accounted for. It made pretty evident that statistics published are flawed. But with a decease out there which is so deadly that you need to test people to figure out whether you got it, I think media and politicians have created a hype and mediocre handling of the “crisis “ has made it worth to the extend that if you change the narrative now that COV19 is there but for 98% of the population it isn’t a life threatening risk - those media and politicians and experts will be fear for their life’s as those who got their life destroyed over the last year may turn out very angry. Same challenge is faced by most governments in the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?"

That's every country in the world. Some even have curfews.

Also mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance?? Why do you believe this nonsense so strongly?

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense"

Yes. Spreading Covid kills people. Assembling in groups spreads Covid. Direct correlation.

Also if you think this is oppression... you must have had a nice soft life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Yes. Spreading Covid kills people. Assembling in groups spreads Covid. Direct correlation.

Also if you think this is oppression... you must have had a nice soft life."

Ya but for that argument to work you have to believe

A. Covid is real

B. Covid kills people

C. Someone else dying is less important than going for a pint with my mates

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Yes. Spreading Covid kills people. Assembling in groups spreads Covid. Direct correlation.

Also if you think this is oppression... you must have had a nice soft life.

Ya but for that argument to work you have to believe

A. Covid is real

B. Covid kills people

C. Someone else dying is less important than going for a pint with my mates"

You forgot

D. the government who already has every single piece of my personal information is trying to collect my personal information

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?"

What an insult to those who actually do live under oppressive regions.

You with your privilege and freedom and choices you have afforded to you. Away and give your head a wobble and be thankful you clearly never have or will know oppression

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few days ago someone posted on a thread that the forums were a handy way for delineating someone's true personality.

I had to agree, even if the comment was aimed at insulting me.

Covid-19 kinda functions the same way.

In almost every generation there is a challenge.

This can be a war. A famine. Disease. Social upheaval. Political change.

In these times of challenge people are asked to make sacrifices, small and large, for the good of others and of our species.

For the betterment of our race and the continuation of our lives as we know them.

Some people, most people, realise that our current society was not built free of charge. They know that others before us have sacrificed, fought, lost, struggled and suffered to make our modern existence and comforts possible.

But in every time of challenge there are people who prefer to complain, deny the challenge exists or prefer to take the easy way out. To give up.

In France when the Nazis invaded there were people who thought it was easier to just give in, they were called the Quislings after the war. They were beaten, abused and reviled.

During the Bubolic Plague there was the Catholic Church, who maintained that if one was pious and just enough, then God with save them. Because that was easier than dealing with the disease.

During WW2, the Duke of Windsor (formerly King Edward) visited Germany and argued that England would be better off under Nazi rule. More lives would be saved, he said, and he was willing to rule England under the Nazi regime. The Royal family was horrified and covered up the scandal for decades.

During the emerging AIDS crisis, there were members of the LGTBQ+ community who set up education drives, political protests and encouraged safe sex. There were others who refused to acknowledge the "gay cancer", claimed it was a Government conspiracy to stop gays from having a good time and likely contributed to the spread of HIV.

There are always people, who, for various reasons, disagree with what we know to be right and just. They will justify their opinions and their viewpoints by offering counter arguments clothed in a thin veil of "practicality" and "sense".

The rallying cries for this particular kind of person during Covid are "my mental health.", or, "my rights.".

No one's mental health is worth further death. People recover their mental health. They cannot recover from death.

These people exist in every age. And they will continue to exist.

But the vast, silent majority of us, are decent people. People who are willing to work toward a better, brighter future. People who shoulder the responsibility and make the sacrifices asked of them without fanfare or complaint.

History does not remember the dissenters from common good or sense fondly.

There will likely be no adverse consequences for the "Covid Deniers"...

But, by Jesus, I will remember them.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Freedom of assembly

You have a right to assemble or meet peacefully and without weapons (Article 40.6.1.ii). This right is limited by legislation to protect public order and morality. The law prevents or controls meetings that are calculated or designed to cause a riot or breach of the peace or which may be a danger to the general public.

There are other limitations on your freedom of assembly. You cannot meet on private property without the consent of the owner - that is trespass. Parades and processions are not illegal but it is a public nuisance to obstruct a highway without authorisation.

You may not hold a procession or meeting within half a mile of the Houses of the Oireachtas when a chief superintendent or higher ranking garda informs the organisers of such an event that it is prohibited or where any garda within that half-mile radius asks you to disperse.

The above is the personal rights in the constitution

"The law prevents or controls meetings that are calculated or designed to cause a riot or breach of the peace or which may be a danger to the general public."

The fact that these protests could be a danger to the general public they should be banned

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?

What an insult to those who actually do live under oppressive regions.

You with your privilege and freedom and choices you have afforded to you. Away and give your head a wobble and be thankful you clearly never have or will know oppression "

Excellent response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What everyone should consider before the protest on Saturday in the munster region is that there are 7 known positive p1 Brazilian variant cases in the south.

Now please look up the daily death toll in Brazil along with the total hospital system collapse in Brazil. The mortality rate from this strain is much higher ,it's also much more infectious and effects more younger people.all facts and medically verified.

I remember when we only had 3 positive UK virus variant strain in novemember.its now the dominant strain here and in europe.

Please stay home and stay safe. Enough have died. If this gets hold it will make the last year seem a picnic compared to the horror story in brazil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can someone tally up the numbers in favor those against... im too lazy its like 10:1.

But these protesters are speaking for "the people"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?"

Plus Nursing Home genocide, sneaking legislation through the Dáil and poverty yet to come

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick


"A few days ago someone posted on a thread that the forums were a handy way for delineating someone's true personality.

I had to agree, even if the comment was aimed at insulting me.

Covid-19 kinda functions the same way.

In almost every generation there is a challenge.

This can be a war. A famine. Disease. Social upheaval. Political change.

In these times of challenge people are asked to make sacrifices, small and large, for the good of others and of our species.

For the betterment of our race and the continuation of our lives as we know them.

Some people, most people, realise that our current society was not built free of charge. They know that others before us have sacrificed, fought, lost, struggled and suffered to make our modern existence and comforts possible.

But in every time of challenge there are people who prefer to complain, deny the challenge exists or prefer to take the easy way out. To give up.

In France when the Nazis invaded there were people who thought it was easier to just give in, they were called the Quislings after the war. They were beaten, abused and reviled.

During the Bubolic Plague there was the Catholic Church, who maintained that if one was pious and just enough, then God with save them. Because that was easier than dealing with the disease.

During WW2, the Duke of Windsor (formerly King Edward) visited Germany and argued that England would be better off under Nazi rule. More lives would be saved, he said, and he was willing to rule England under the Nazi regime. The Royal family was horrified and covered up the scandal for decades.

During the emerging AIDS crisis, there were members of the LGTBQ+ community who set up education drives, political protests and encouraged safe sex. There were others who refused to acknowledge the "gay cancer", claimed it was a Government conspiracy to stop gays from having a good time and likely contributed to the spread of HIV.

There are always people, who, for various reasons, disagree with what we know to be right and just. They will justify their opinions and their viewpoints by offering counter arguments clothed in a thin veil of "practicality" and "sense".

The rallying cries for this particular kind of person during Covid are "my mental health.", or, "my rights.".

No one's mental health is worth further death. People recover their mental health. They cannot recover from death.

These people exist in every age. And they will continue to exist.

But the vast, silent majority of us, are decent people. People who are willing to work toward a better, brighter future. People who shoulder the responsibility and make the sacrifices asked of them without fanfare or complaint.

History does not remember the dissenters from common good or sense fondly.

There will likely be no adverse consequences for the "Covid Deniers"...

But, by Jesus, I will remember them. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting. "

I'm all for the outlook of each to their own unless it impacts me directly or is a danger to others.

So in short in relation to the topic no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting. "

this !

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By *ligoMan
over a year ago

East Mayo

If you had the misfortune to see someone die from covid you might have a different attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

lockdown protests are mostly people just looking to act the maggot and cause trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"lockdown protests are mostly people just looking to act the maggot and cause trouble. "
complete the utter potholes

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting. "
you will never get everyone doing the one thing but at this stage with the vaccination process and lockdown the vast majority are totally browned off and have enough and its totally understandable why.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes. "

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes.

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? "
give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

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By *ewrideMan
over a year ago

KK


"I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes.

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't? "

1 fear

2 cost of reversing changes

3 changes made are realising more profit

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By *he SophisticatsCouple
over a year ago

Casa Del Fun


"What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting. "

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes.

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't? "

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

"

You can't argue about why things won't get back to normal once everyone gets vaccinated by saying not everyone will get vaccinated.

The premise is that everyone gets offered a vaccine and then things get back to normal.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

You can't argue about why things won't get back to normal once everyone gets vaccinated by saying not everyone will get vaccinated.

The premise is that everyone gets offered a vaccine and then things get back to normal.

"

If all and only hope for a return to normal is vaccination - everyone would need to be vaccinated right ? What do you do with those who cannot be vaccinated ?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"I'm fully convinced that all these anti everything crowd want the lockdowns to continue because they know that the more they protest the more cases there will be so the longer the lockdown. They know that once the vaccine is completely rolled out and we get back to normal they will be considered as massive potholes.

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

"
you will reach herd immunity without 100 % vaccinations. also, thats the idea of vaccines. it doesnt stop you getting it but stops you getting it severe enough that u don't need hospital treatment. if you don't return to normal life you're effectively living some type of restrictive life forever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What worries me more is the extreme division all this is causing. Good friends and even family getting divided by different points of view. Is it worth it? Does that make things better? Getting offended, aggressive, insulting, demeaning others doesn't change anything. It's chaotic right now in every corner of the planet. We all are being irresponsible in one way or another. Can not we focus in doing our own small thing and do it wholeheartedly, without looking for general approval and recognition and avoid socially murdering others....sweet mother of baby yoda how exhausting.

I'm all for the outlook of each to their own unless it impacts me directly or is a danger to others.

So in short in relation to the topic no"

Indeed. And I'll add, once people proclaim from their extremely fortunate positions in life that they're "oppressed" I'll call them out forever and a day. Oppressed my sweet aunt Fanny. It's self absorbed, entitled horse shit and the lamest excuse for banging your own drum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

You can't argue about why things won't get back to normal once everyone gets vaccinated by saying not everyone will get vaccinated.

The premise is that everyone gets offered a vaccine and then things get back to normal.

If all and only hope for a return to normal is vaccination - everyone would need to be vaccinated right ? What do you do with those who cannot be vaccinated ? "

Once everyone that can receive the vaccine has had the chance to then yes life will and should get back to normal.

Those that can't get it will have to continue to take precautions or take the risk of contracting it.

Do you have the figures of how many that would be?

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"

So you believe once everyone is vaccinated everything gets back to normal? Really ? give me one good reason why it wouldn't?

1) Not everyone get vaccinated

2) Up to now all we know is that those vaccinated maybe protected against a severe illness, however it doesn’t mean they cannot get infected or ill. That’s why vaccinated people still have to follow all this rules including masks , 2meter distance etc

You can't argue about why things won't get back to normal once everyone gets vaccinated by saying not everyone will get vaccinated.

The premise is that everyone gets offered a vaccine and then things get back to normal.

If all and only hope for a return to normal is vaccination - everyone would need to be vaccinated right ? What do you do with those who cannot be vaccinated ?

Once everyone that can receive the vaccine has had the chance to then yes life will and should get back to normal.

Those that can't get it will have to continue to take precautions or take the risk of contracting it.

Do you have the figures of how many that would be?"

I don’t have world wide figures , but it impacts people with allergies or in my case, as a person with two stents I am not taking the chance to take a vaccine which bears the risk of thrombosis.

Vaccination maybe a tool to tackle the virus , but i doubt it will solve it, hence if there will be always a virus around, which may is a risk for some

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I don’t have world wide figures , but it impacts people with allergies or in my case, as a person with two stents I am not taking the chance to take a vaccine which bears the risk of thrombosis.

Vaccination maybe a tool to tackle the virus , but i doubt it will solve it, hence if there will be always a virus around, which may is a risk for some

"

I imagine they are small....

I dont think anyone thinks the virus disappears with a vaccine roll out.. but life will get back to normal. A very small % of people will have to decide how much they risk re-entering society unfortunately. Im sorry you will be one of them.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


"

I don’t have world wide figures , but it impacts people with allergies or in my case, as a person with two stents I am not taking the chance to take a vaccine which bears the risk of thrombosis.

Vaccination maybe a tool to tackle the virus , but i doubt it will solve it, hence if there will be always a virus around, which may is a risk for some

I imagine they are small....

I dont think anyone thinks the virus disappears with a vaccine roll out.. but life will get back to normal. A very small % of people will have to decide how much they risk re-entering society unfortunately. Im sorry you will be one of them. "

I am not to worried about the risk of resbteting the society as you call it . I am rather worried of new firms if discriminations . And if the societal answers for those like me is - tough shit, sorry - hmm , then I start understanding why there are people who insist that human rights ate at limbo in this mess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I am not to worried about the risk of resbteting the society as you call it . I am rather worried of new firms if discriminations . And if the societal answers for those like me is - tough shit, sorry - hmm , then I start understanding why there are people who insist that human rights ate at limbo in this mess "

Your going to be the unvaccinated person your not going to be a risk to anyone else... I dont see what you would be prevented from doing once a vaccine rollout is complete

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley


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I am not to worried about the risk of resbteting the society as you call it . I am rather worried of new firms if discriminations . And if the societal answers for those like me is - tough shit, sorry - hmm , then I start understanding why there are people who insist that human rights ate at limbo in this mess

Your going to be the unvaccinated person your not going to be a risk to anyone else... I dont see what you would be prevented from doing once a vaccine rollout is complete "

We will see. There will be “privileges” for those vaccinated compared to those who are not . It’s openly considered and public

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By *dfabMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne


"A few days ago someone posted on a thread that the forums were a handy way for delineating someone's true personality.

I had to agree, even if the comment was aimed at insulting me.

Covid-19 kinda functions the same way.

In almost every generation there is a challenge.

This can be a war. A famine. Disease. Social upheaval. Political change.

In these times of challenge people are asked to make sacrifices, small and large, for the good of others and of our species.

For the betterment of our race and the continuation of our lives as we know them.

Some people, most people, realise that our current society was not built free of charge. They know that others before us have sacrificed, fought, lost, struggled and suffered to make our modern existence and comforts possible.

But in every time of challenge there are people who prefer to complain, deny the challenge exists or prefer to take the easy way out. To give up.

In France when the Nazis invaded there were people who thought it was easier to just give in, they were called the Quislings after the war. They were beaten, abused and reviled.

During the Bubolic Plague there was the Catholic Church, who maintained that if one was pious and just enough, then God with save them. Because that was easier than dealing with the disease.

During WW2, the Duke of Windsor (formerly King Edward) visited Germany and argued that England would be better off under Nazi rule. More lives would be saved, he said, and he was willing to rule England under the Nazi regime. The Royal family was horrified and covered up the scandal for decades.

During the emerging AIDS crisis, there were members of the LGTBQ+ community who set up education drives, political protests and encouraged safe sex. There were others who refused to acknowledge the "gay cancer", claimed it was a Government conspiracy to stop gays from having a good time and likely contributed to the spread of HIV.

There are always people, who, for various reasons, disagree with what we know to be right and just. They will justify their opinions and their viewpoints by offering counter arguments clothed in a thin veil of "practicality" and "sense".

The rallying cries for this particular kind of person during Covid are "my mental health.", or, "my rights.".

No one's mental health is worth further death. People recover their mental health. They cannot recover from death.

These people exist in every age. And they will continue to exist.

But the vast, silent majority of us, are decent people. People who are willing to work toward a better, brighter future. People who shoulder the responsibility and make the sacrifices asked of them without fanfare or complaint.

History does not remember the dissenters from common good or sense fondly.

There will likely be no adverse consequences for the "Covid Deniers"...

But, by Jesus, I will remember them. "

Seconded.

Also, there's a specific forum for CV19 discussions.

Keep it to that please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?"

Sounds cooky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?

What an insult to those who actually do live under oppressive regions.

You with your privilege and freedom and choices you have afforded to you. Away and give your head a wobble and be thankful you clearly never have or will know oppression "

Away and give your head a wobble

Great phrase haha

I suspect the poor unfortunate has head their head wobbled so much already leading to these mushy thoughts

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By *dfabMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne

Gobshites!

Close thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mother of God there are some colossal potholes on this tread

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Its looking possible that Sweden where actually right...

This is from numerous reputable news sites last weekend. A quick google will find it but i can pist the link if you like.

Sweden, which has shunned the strict lockdowns that have ch@ked much of the global economy, emerged from 2020 with a smaller increase in its overall mortality rate than most European countries, an analysis of official data sources showed.

Infectious disease experts cautioned that the results could not be interpreted as evidence that lockdowns were unnecessary but acknowledged they may indicate Sweden’s overall stance on fighting the pandemic had merits worth studying.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Funny enough there's no evidence that outdoor protests are spreader events. I tried to find some evidence or figures but only hit reports saying that there was no spikes even after massive blm protests last year. However it of course suits every government in power to suppress protests by claiming they're spreader events.

At this stage I can't blame anyone who had enough of lockdown and an inept government holding the nation at ransom. Just looking at those clowns announcing some illogical and scattered easing of restrictions for April and May was painful.

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By *13_hercMan
over a year ago

Blackrock


"My kids class half of the kids down with covid... and that was with only 2 classes back and only 1/4 of the kids in...

What are my thoughts about a bunch of people protesting lockdown??

I believe they should sit at home like the rest of us... but they won't... freedom of speech and all that.... if they get sick that's on them...

This shit show will continue because people don't listen...

"
So right - if everyone stayed on the same page for a few weeks this would have been done and dusted months ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny enough there's no evidence that outdoor protests are spreader events. I tried to find some evidence or figures but only hit reports saying that there was no spikes even after massive blm protests last year. However it of course suits every government in power to suppress protests by claiming they're spreader events.

At this stage I can't blame anyone who had enough of lockdown and an inept government holding the nation at ransom. Just looking at those clowns announcing some illogical and scattered easing of restrictions for April and May was painful. "

Well, there may not be evidence that a "regular" outdoor protest is a spreader event. But gather every hoax conspiracy denier nutjob in the country, people who dont actually believe it is real, and I guarantee a large percentage of them arent taking any precautions in their everyday life.

I didnt agree with having Blm protests in ireland last year either,but at least they had a clear problem statement and goal. These lockdown protests serve no purpose as they dont even agree amongst themselves what their goal is

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By *ysteryman2009Man
over a year ago

Ireland


"My kids class half of the kids down with covid... and that was with only 2 classes back and only 1/4 of the kids in...

What are my thoughts about a bunch of people protesting lockdown??

I believe they should sit at home like the rest of us... but they won't... freedom of speech and all that.... if they get sick that's on them...

This shit show will continue because people don't listen...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

PeterandGemma -

With regard to Sweden.... Which can be discussed ad nauseum about cultural attitudes toward compliance, population density, technological access etc, a quick Google of numbers presents this;

Sweden, population approximately 10.2 million. Land mass is 450,295 square kilometres.

Deaths from C19 - approximately 13,500

Ireland, population approximately 4.9 million. Land mass is 84,421 square kilometres.

Deaths from C19 - approximately 4,700.

So for a country that has twice the size of our population, spread over five times the size of our land mass, they've had just under three times as many deaths as we've had.

That's ignoring the numbers of hospitalizations with Covid. The psychological impact of contracting the disease and the potential long term effects felt by a significant portion of the population, popularly known as Long Covid.

(Admittedly I'm terrible with numbers, someone with more intelligence please check my math!)

It can also be worth noting that Sweden's health officials and elected politicians have admitted time and again that, given hindsight, they'd do things differently. And they have been entering into and exiting various degrees of lockdown since the end of last year. Just as we have.

Sweden is nothing to be envious of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone marching in Cork need a nice big boot up the hole

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"PeterandGemma -

With regard to Sweden.... Which can be discussed ad nauseum about cultural attitudes toward compliance, population density, technological access etc, a quick Google of numbers presents this;

Sweden, population approximately 10.2 million. Land mass is 450,295 square kilometres.

Deaths from C19 - approximately 13,500

Ireland, population approximately 4.9 million. Land mass is 84,421 square kilometres.

Deaths from C19 - approximately 4,700.

So for a country that has twice the size of our population, spread over five times the size of our land mass, they've had just under three times as many deaths as we've had.

That's ignoring the numbers of hospitalizations with Covid. The psychological impact of contracting the disease and the potential long term effects felt by a significant portion of the population, popularly known as Long Covid.

(Admittedly I'm terrible with numbers, someone with more intelligence please check my math!)

It can also be worth noting that Sweden's health officials and elected politicians have admitted time and again that, given hindsight, they'd do things differently. And they have been entering into and exiting various degrees of lockdown since the end of last year. Just as we have.

Sweden is nothing to be envious of.

"
i never said anything other than the fact that it’s possible they may have been right.

At the end of the day all that matters are the number of deaths for the year, if its similar to previous years then that would suggest that there was no point in a lockdown.

That’s basically what the article says.

Also, as I mentioned last week. Irelands 2020 excess death rate more than likely is not going to be significant, so again what does that tell you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i never said anything other than the fact that it’s possible they may have been right.

At the end of the day all that matters are the number of deaths for the year, if its similar to previous years then that would suggest that there was no point in a lockdown.

That’s basically what the article says.

Also, as I mentioned last week. Irelands 2020 excess death rate more than likely is not going to be significant, so again what does that tell you?"

And my point is that very quick appraisal of the numbers indicates that they were in no way "right".

They've 3 times as many dead as us. That's 3 times the amount of fathers, sons, daughters, mothers, sisters, brothers.....

"At the end of the day all that matters are the number of deaths for the year"

I absolutely and wholeheartedly refute this point. Covid-19 has a much more significant and lasting impact than the overt tragedy of the numbers of the dead.

The stress, strain and heartache exerted on our health care staff during the pandemic cannot be overstated. The psychological impact of millions of people suffering a potentially fatal, highly infectious respiratory disease is something that will also have implications for decades to come.

Then there are those who had to endure hospitalizations or, God forbid, ventilation - a severely distressing medical procedure. As previously mentioned there are thousands of reports of people suffering from the effects of "Long Covid", chronic fatigue being amongst the most lasting prominent effects.

And no, I am not dismissing the economic and social impact of the lockdowns, they are absolutely horrific and will also have to reckoned with, eventually. Make no mistake, this is not a rosy or acceptable situation for anyone, but it is as it is and we've to deal with it as best we can.

But I disagree completely that the numbers of dead are all that matters.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible "

I didn't say it didn't matter.

I said I refute your point that it was THE ONLY thing that matters.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"i never said anything other than the fact that it’s possible they may have been right.

At the end of the day all that matters are the number of deaths for the year, if its similar to previous years then that would suggest that there was no point in a lockdown.

That’s basically what the article says.

Also, as I mentioned last week. Irelands 2020 excess death rate more than likely is not going to be significant, so again what does that tell you?

And my point is that very quick appraisal of the numbers indicates that they were in no way "right".

They've 3 times as many dead as us. That's 3 times the amount of fathers, sons, daughters, mothers, sisters, brothers.....

"At the end of the day all that matters are the number of deaths for the year"

I absolutely and wholeheartedly refute this point. Covid-19 has a much more significant and lasting impact than the overt tragedy of the numbers of the dead.

The stress, strain and heartache exerted on our health care staff during the pandemic cannot be overstated. The psychological impact of millions of people suffering a potentially fatal, highly infectious respiratory disease is something that will also have implications for decades to come.

Then there are those who had to endure hospitalizations or, God forbid, ventilation - a severely distressing medical procedure. As previously mentioned there are thousands of reports of people suffering from the effects of "Long Covid", chronic fatigue being amongst the most lasting prominent effects.

And no, I am not dismissing the economic and social impact of the lockdowns, they are absolutely horrific and will also have to reckoned with, eventually. Make no mistake, this is not a rosy or acceptable situation for anyone, but it is as it is and we've to deal with it as best we can.

But I disagree completely that the numbers of dead are all that matters. "
of course other things matter but ultimately its to avoid deaths. were in our third lockdown, people are suffering from these lockdowns and the more it goes on the more the suffering grows. I just hope these vaccines continue to work because the economy, society, businesses jobs pastimes, enjoyments, everything that's part of normal life has to resume. the most important thing now is vaccines ramp up because the rollout up to now from Christmas is comical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" of course other things matter but ultimately its to avoid deaths. were in our third lockdown, people are suffering from these lockdowns and the more it goes on the more the suffering grows. I just hope these vaccines continue to work because the economy, society, businesses jobs pastimes, enjoyments, everything that's part of normal life has to resume. the most important thing now is vaccines ramp up because the rollout up to now from Christmas is comical. "

I don't exactly tally with that either. The ultimate goal is to avoid our health care system from being totally overrun, which in turn leads to more suffering and, indeed, more deaths.

And of course people are suffering from lockdowns, everyone is. They're not fun. Nobody wants them. They're just a lesser evil than the alternative.

And protesting a lockdown, by likely propagating the very disease which led to the Lockdowns... The stupidity here is staggering.

But yes, I hope and pray that the vaccine rollout (which has been abysmal to date in my humble opinion) ramps up and by late summer we have some degree of normality.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


" of course other things matter but ultimately its to avoid deaths. were in our third lockdown, people are suffering from these lockdowns and the more it goes on the more the suffering grows. I just hope these vaccines continue to work because the economy, society, businesses jobs pastimes, enjoyments, everything that's part of normal life has to resume. the most important thing now is vaccines ramp up because the rollout up to now from Christmas is comical.

I don't exactly tally with that either. The ultimate goal is to avoid our health care system from being totally overrun, which in turn leads to more suffering and, indeed, more deaths.

And of course people are suffering from lockdowns, everyone is. They're not fun. Nobody wants them. They're just a lesser evil than the alternative.

And protesting a lockdown, by likely propagating the very disease which led to the Lockdowns... The stupidity here is staggering.

But yes, I hope and pray that the vaccine rollout (which has been abysmal to date in my humble opinion) ramps up and by late summer we have some degree of normality. "
and the reason our healthcare is so overrun is because of many years of neglect, none of it caused by the general public. my point is, vaccines working or not, the mindset forever cant be "oh we have to live our lives with hospital in mind". thats the way we're asked to live our lives in the main over the last year but it can't continue much longer thats why the vaccination process needs a serious ramping.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

DEATHS! The most significant way of judging how serious this pandemic is.

Other variables such as long covid we just dont really know yet what effect its going to have and obviously must be taken seriously but you must also consider other variables caused by lockdown such as effect on mental health and suicide.

Lockdowns long term effect on people’s general health as well, such as undiagnosed cancers which is well documented.

Barely a single breast check was carried out in april 2020 where something like 30k were carried out in the same month in 2019.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" and the reason our healthcare is so overrun is because of many years of neglect, none of it caused by the general public. my point is, vaccines working or not, the mindset forever cant be "oh we have to live our lives with hospital in mind". thats the way we're asked to live our lives in the main over the last year but it can't continue much longer thats why the vaccination process needs a serious ramping. "

Right there's a bit of unpacking to do here.

Yes, Ireland's two tier health care is a disgrace and vastly underfunded and has been for years - this does not make it ok to spread a potentially fatal infection. If it concerns you, and it should, I suggest you vote with your feet at any and all electoral contests and shrug off the same old parties who continue to underfund our health service.

This idea that a cautious mindset is to be maintained "forever" is completely and utterly false. We have vaccines. They are being distributed. Life will return to as it was, we've seen this is other countries.

We just have to maintain a bit of caution for a little bit longer than we'd like. To save lives, to save health care workers, to get back to where we once were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"DEATHS! The most significant way of judging how serious this pandemic is.

Other variables such as long covid we just dont really know yet what effect its going to have and obviously must be taken seriously but you must also consider other variables caused by lockdown such as effect on mental health and suicide.

Lockdowns long term effect on people’s general health as well, such as undiagnosed cancers which is well documented.

Barely a single breast check was carried out in april 2020 where something like 30k were carried out in the same month in 2019."

No need to shout.

I can read.

Deaths are a significant metric. But not THE metric. Which is why we're provided with a daily update of both death figures and infection figures.

The mental health argument is a reduant one.

Mental health was a large, worrying issue before C19 and will remain so after C19.

Does a world wide potentially fatal pandemic which has irrecoverably changed our lives and how we live affect our mental health negatively? Of course it does.

This is not a revelation.

But I feel this must be said, clearly and definitively;

Feeling sad is not a mental health issue.

Feeling bored is not a mental health issue.

Feeling frustrated is not a mental health issue.

Feeling anxious is not a mental issue.

Feeling restless, uncertain or uneasy is not a mental health issue.

This are all perfectly normal and acceptable human emotions to feel, and more so during times of uncertainty or great change. Which we are clearly in at the moment.

The suicide argument has also been debunked, as per The Irish Times;

"Despite many commentators’ worst fears, and the dire circumstances thrust upon many people by the Covid crisis, suicides have not increased in the past year..."

With regard to cancer screenings, yes, there is and will be a backlog, but a risk assessment was carried out with regard to continue passive screenings and obviously the risk of a potential infection of C19 was deemed to be the greater risk.

As I've said before, we as a society and as a race will ultimately be asked to shoulder the burden of the C19 pandemic. It won't be easy.

But it will be worse if idiots continue to protest and continue to deny the absolutely devastating toll this disease can have if left to spread unchecked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible "

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths."
You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"DEATHS! The most significant way of judging how serious this pandemic is.

Other variables such as long covid we just dont really know yet what effect its going to have and obviously must be taken seriously but you must also consider other variables caused by lockdown such as effect on mental health and suicide.

Lockdowns long term effect on people’s general health as well, such as undiagnosed cancers which is well documented.

Barely a single breast check was carried out in april 2020 where something like 30k were carried out in the same month in 2019.

No need to shout.

I can read.

Deaths are a significant metric. But not THE metric. Which is why we're provided with a daily update of both death figures and infection figures.

The mental health argument is a reduant one.

Mental health was a large, worrying issue before C19 and will remain so after C19.

Does a world wide potentially fatal pandemic which has irrecoverably changed our lives and how we live affect our mental health negatively? Of course it does.

This is not a revelation.

But I feel this must be said, clearly and definitively;

Feeling sad is not a mental health issue.

Feeling bored is not a mental health issue.

Feeling frustrated is not a mental health issue.

Feeling anxious is not a mental issue.

Feeling restless, uncertain or uneasy is not a mental health issue.

This are all perfectly normal and acceptable human emotions to feel, and more so during times of uncertainty or great change. Which we are clearly in at the moment.

The suicide argument has also been debunked, as per The Irish Times;

"Despite many commentators’ worst fears, and the dire circumstances thrust upon many people by the Covid crisis, suicides have not increased in the past year..."

With regard to cancer screenings, yes, there is and will be a backlog, but a risk assessment was carried out with regard to continue passive screenings and obviously the risk of a potential infection of C19 was deemed to be the greater risk.

As I've said before, we as a society and as a race will ultimately be asked to shoulder the burden of the C19 pandemic. It won't be easy.

But it will be worse if idiots continue to protest and continue to deny the absolutely devastating toll this disease can have if left to spread unchecked.

"
Do we count suicide numbers? I have never seen it, like the way we count traffic or work place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths."

Aye, I'd agree, but this half arsed Level 5 lockdown has been a joke.

The initial one we had in March of last year was far more effective, as evidenced by our Covid-19 numbers sinking to single digits.

With this "Level 5" lockdown there's far too many exemptions, people are tired, people are fed up.

I get it.

But I don't think that excuses either frivolous gatherings to "protest" or, worse again, individuals arranging swinger parties at the weekends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out. "

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way round

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.

Aye, I'd agree, but this half arsed Level 5 lockdown has been a joke.

The initial one we had in March of last year was far more effective, as evidenced by our Covid-19 numbers sinking to single digits.

With this "Level 5" lockdown there's far too many exemptions, people are tired, people are fed up.

I get it.

But I don't think that excuses either frivolous gatherings to "protest" or, worse again, individuals arranging swinger parties at the weekends. "

Don't get me wrong I fully agree with people that there has been serious ineptitude at government level. But using that to excuse ignoring the guidelines that do make sense is just idiocy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Do we count suicide numbers? I have never seen it, like the way we count traffic or work place.

"

What an odd thing to say.

We absolutely count suicide numbers.

Every year.

The National Office for Suicide Prevention publishes a document every year with a break down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

"

Zero cases of flu requiring hospital care in the latter half of 2020 for Ireland, just to drive home your point.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Funny enough there's no evidence that outdoor protests are spreader events. I tried to find some evidence or figures but only hit reports saying that there was no spikes even after massive blm protests last year. However it of course suits every government in power to suppress protests by claiming they're spreader events.

At this stage I can't blame anyone who had enough of lockdown and an inept government holding the nation at ransom. Just looking at those clowns announcing some illogical and scattered easing of restrictions for April and May was painful.

Well, there may not be evidence that a "regular" outdoor protest is a spreader event. But gather every hoax conspiracy denier nutjob in the country, people who dont actually believe it is real, and I guarantee a large percentage of them arent taking any precautions in their everyday life.

I didnt agree with having Blm protests in ireland last year either,but at least they had a clear problem statement and goal. These lockdown protests serve no purpose as they dont even agree amongst themselves what their goal is"

Cork had a lockdown protest with a few 100 people taking part on the 6th of March. Many of them normal people like you and me, not everyone is a Gemma Doherty. Any rises in cases afterwards???

It's being blown out of proportion and all labelled lunatics by the media, people then take it on and call them way worse names as can be seen here every time the topic comes up. Suits the government perfectly, distracts from their inability and fuels the divide and conquer.

I'm not a covid-19 denier, nor a anti lockdowner or conspiracy bird but I do disagree with certain restrictions altogether - some of them make no sense whatsoever - and the government's reluctance to ease them. And I know I'm not the only one. Some will go and protest.

If anyone can produce evidence that those protests are spreader events please provide a link.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

Zero cases of flu requiring hospital care in the latter half of 2020 for Ireland, just to drive home your point. "

Exactly, proving yet again, for anyone down the back, that lockdowns and other measures reduce the spread of infectious diseases

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way round"
Did you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

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over a year ago


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It's being blown out of proportion and all labelled lunatics by the media, people then take it on and call them way worse names as can be seen here every time the topic comes up. Suits the government perfectly, distracts from their inability and fuels the divide and conquer.

I'm not a covid-19 denier, nor a anti lockdowner or conspiracy bird but I do disagree with certain restrictions altogether - some of them make no sense whatsoever - and the government's reluctance to ease them. And I know I'm not the only one. Some will go and protest.

If anyone can produce evidence that those protests are spreader events please provide a link. "

I humbly disagree. The media doesn't lable them lunatics. The general population does. I wouldn't give them the excuse of insanity, just feckless irresponsibility.

With regard to evidence that protests are super spreader events, maybe to date they haven't been, but the point is that if they continue to do so and remain unchecked, they absolutely will be.

I can't provide a link to an article proving any particular protest was a super spreader event, however, I can present several of a protester firing a firework into a Garda's face if you like?

I'm aware the two incidents seem unrelated but it gives one a flavour of the type of individual these protests appeal to.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"

Do we count suicide numbers? I have never seen it, like the way we count traffic or work place.

What an odd thing to say.

We absolutely count suicide numbers.

Every year.

The National Office for Suicide Prevention publishes a document every year with a break down. "
Why is it odd? I am not familiar with it that is all.

And thanks for the answer I didn’t know that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Exactly, proving yet again, for anyone down the back, that lockdowns and other measures reduce the spread of infectious diseases"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

What an odd thing to say.

We absolutely count suicide numbers.

Every year.

The National Office for Suicide Prevention publishes a document every year with a break down. Why is it odd? I am not familiar with it that is all.

And thanks for the answer I didn’t know that "

Because for someone who was presenting mental health as one of the tenets of their argument one would assume at least a tangential knowledge of same and how it is dealt with or gauged by Government response agencies.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"

What an odd thing to say.

We absolutely count suicide numbers.

Every year.

The National Office for Suicide Prevention publishes a document every year with a break down. Why is it odd? I am not familiar with it that is all.

And thanks for the answer I didn’t know that

Because for someone who was presenting mental health as one of the tenets of their argument one would assume at least a tangential knowledge of same and how it is dealt with or gauged by Government response agencies. "
Enough has been said about effects of it on out mental health in 2020 we don’t actually know the long term effects that its going to have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment."

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years."

Google is a wonderful tool for handy research

That's a frightening fact though. Jesus.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"

It's being blown out of proportion and all labelled lunatics by the media, people then take it on and call them way worse names as can be seen here every time the topic comes up. Suits the government perfectly, distracts from their inability and fuels the divide and conquer.

I'm not a covid-19 denier, nor a anti lockdowner or conspiracy bird but I do disagree with certain restrictions altogether - some of them make no sense whatsoever - and the government's reluctance to ease them. And I know I'm not the only one. Some will go and protest.

If anyone can produce evidence that those protests are spreader events please provide a link.

I humbly disagree. The media doesn't lable them lunatics. The general population does. I wouldn't give them the excuse of insanity, just feckless irresponsibility.

With regard to evidence that protests are super spreader events, maybe to date they haven't been, but the point is that if they continue to do so and remain unchecked, they absolutely will be.

I can't provide a link to an article proving any particular protest was a super spreader event, however, I can present several of a protester firing a firework into a Garda's face if you like?

I'm aware the two incidents seem unrelated but it gives one a flavour of the type of individual these protests appeal to. "

Is that all you can come up with, the firework incident? You know it's easy to find an asshole everywhere.

The one in Cork was a peaceful protest.

There's plenty of evidence now that the virus loves the indoors and outdoors transmission are rare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Is that all you can come up with, the firework incident? You know it's easy to find an asshole everywhere.

The one in Cork was a peaceful protest.

There's plenty of evidence now that the virus loves the indoors and outdoors transmission are rare.

"

Nope. I can link you to the amount of arrests at each protest if that helps?

Or the evidence that not only are these events co-opted by severely "right wing" organisations, but are in fact being organised by them? Or perhaps to the evidence that indicates that those who attend this events are generally part of fringe conspiracy groups with, shall we say, 'interesting' alternative beliefs about the world?

"An asshole" - so I suppose the lad who provided the firework to the guy, as well as the lad who lit it for him, as well as the three lads who tried to cover for the launcher, and the numerous lads who were throwing bottles and cans are Garda... These people were all just ONE asshole?

And outdoor transmission is possible, and frankly I couldn't give a hoot if everyone as these protests caught C19.

The issue is who they spread it to when they fuck off back home from those protests.

The issue is they might require medical care as a result of their irresponsible attitudes and might spread it to medical staff.

The issue is that they might take up a hospital bed that is needed for an elderly person.

And for what?

For nothing.

That's the point.

It's a ludicrous and farcical situation would be amusing if it weren't so fucking dangerous.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"

Is that all you can come up with, the firework incident? You know it's easy to find an asshole everywhere.

The one in Cork was a peaceful protest.

There's plenty of evidence now that the virus loves the indoors and outdoors transmission are rare.

Nope. I can link you to the amount of arrests at each protest if that helps?

Or the evidence that not only are these events co-opted by severely "right wing" organisations, but are in fact being organised by them? Or perhaps to the evidence that indicates that those who attend this events are generally part of fringe conspiracy groups with, shall we say, 'interesting' alternative beliefs about the world?

"An asshole" - so I suppose the lad who provided the firework to the guy, as well as the lad who lit it for him, as well as the three lads who tried to cover for the launcher, and the numerous lads who were throwing bottles and cans are Garda... These people were all just ONE asshole?

And outdoor transmission is possible, and frankly I couldn't give a hoot if everyone as these protests caught C19.

The issue is who they spread it to when they fuck off back home from those protests.

The issue is they might require medical care as a result of their irresponsible attitudes and might spread it to medical staff.

The issue is that they might take up a hospital bed that is needed for an elderly person.

And for what?

For nothing.

That's the point.

It's a ludicrous and farcical situation would be amusing if it weren't so fucking dangerous. "

Yeah you see you throw them all in the same pot again. The one in Cork was peaceful and had no connections to the ones in Dublin as far as I know, the thread is about the cork protests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Yeah you see you throw them all in the same pot again. The one in Cork was peaceful and had no connections to the ones in Dublin as far as I know, the thread is about the cork protests. "

I'll think you find that Covid-19 won't restrict itself to Cork.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

6 assholes were arrested at the Cork "peaceful protest" by the way.

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast


"

Is that all you can come up with, the firework incident? You know it's easy to find an asshole everywhere.

The one in Cork was a peaceful protest.

There's plenty of evidence now that the virus loves the indoors and outdoors transmission are rare.

Nope. I can link you to the amount of arrests at each protest if that helps?

Or the evidence that not only are these events co-opted by severely "right wing" organisations, but are in fact being organised by them? Or perhaps to the evidence that indicates that those who attend this events are generally part of fringe conspiracy groups with, shall we say, 'interesting' alternative beliefs about the world?

"An asshole" - so I suppose the lad who provided the firework to the guy, as well as the lad who lit it for him, as well as the three lads who tried to cover for the launcher, and the numerous lads who were throwing bottles and cans are Garda... These people were all just ONE asshole?

And outdoor transmission is possible, and frankly I couldn't give a hoot if everyone as these protests caught C19.

The issue is who they spread it to when they fuck off back home from those protests.

The issue is they might require medical care as a result of their irresponsible attitudes and might spread it to medical staff.

The issue is that they might take up a hospital bed that is needed for an elderly person.

And for what?

For nothing.

That's the point.

It's a ludicrous and farcical situation would be amusing if it weren't so fucking dangerous.

Yeah you see you throw them all in the same pot again. The one in Cork was peaceful and had no connections to the ones in Dublin as far as I know, the thread is about the cork protests. "

Whether the protest was peaceful or not, its the fact your mixing with unknown people who may have been in contact with a carrier and then going home or back to work and spreading it. I'd never forgive myself if I was the cause of them catching it and the worst happened.....

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"6 assholes were arrested at the Cork "peaceful protest" by the way. "

Four of which broke the 5km rule. I break that one nearly every day. Come and arrest me.

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over a year ago


"6 assholes were arrested at the Cork "peaceful protest" by the way.

Four of which broke the 5km rule. I break that one nearly every day. Come and arrest me. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"6 assholes were arrested at the Cork "peaceful protest" by the way.

Four of which broke the 5km rule. I break that one nearly every day. Come and arrest me. "

If only I had the power.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years."

Two Different Articles on Excess Deaths in Sweden in the last week:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

And this paragraph from second article

"Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years. Countries that opted for several periods of strict lockdowns, such as Spain and Belgium, had so-called excess mortality of 18.1% and 16.2% respectively."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And here's seven articles refuting your argument;

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/swedens-failed-covid-strategy-leaves-the-country-deeply-divided/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/22/sweden-coronavirus-covid-response/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/18/sweden-coronavirus-surge-policy/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32750-1/fulltext

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

Https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376

As well as the following paragraph:

"In the second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Swedish national response continues to be an outlier with cases and deaths increasing more rapidly than in its Nordic neighbours.1,  2 On Dec 20, 2020, COVID-19 deaths in Sweden had reached more than 80003 or 787 deaths per 1 million population, which is 4·5 to ten times higher than its neighbours.1,  2,  3 This difference between Nordic countries cannot be explained merely by variations in national cultures, histories, population sizes and densities, immigration patterns, the routes by which the virus was first introduced, or how cases and deaths are reported. Instead, the answers to this enigma are to be found in the Swedish national COVID-19 strategy, the assumptions on which it is based, and in the governance of the health system that has enabled the strategy to continue without major course corrections."

But I still warrant that rate of deaths is absolutely the wrong metric by which to argue against C19 restrictions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years.

Two Different Articles on Excess Deaths in Sweden in the last week:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

And this paragraph from second article

"Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years. Countries that opted for several periods of strict lockdowns, such as Spain and Belgium, had so-called excess mortality of 18.1% and 16.2% respectively.""

Cherry picking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your saying that people protesting against an oppressive government are responsible for killing people? What nonsense

Oppressive? Seriously?

Dishonest government forcing Travel restrictions,closelure of business, mandatory vaccines, mass surveillance, health passports, none of that sounds oppressive to you?"

Adjust your tinfoil hat and enjoy your protest then. Don't worry if you accidentally kill someone or leave them with longterm health damage.

Fools thinking they look like brave heart protesting when they're just acting like Veruca Salt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Cherry picking "

My point exactly - easy to do with a planet's worth of information at your fingertips and umpteen amounts of differing agendas available.

Numbers don't lie however.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It's being blown out of proportion and all labelled lunatics by the media, people then take it on and call them way worse names as can be seen here every time the topic comes up. Suits the government perfectly, distracts from their inability and fuels the divide and conquer.

I'm not a covid-19 denier, nor a anti lockdowner or conspiracy bird but I do disagree with certain restrictions altogether - some of them make no sense whatsoever - and the government's reluctance to ease them. And I know I'm not the only one. Some will go and protest.

If anyone can produce evidence that those protests are spreader events please provide a link.

I humbly disagree. The media doesn't lable them lunatics. The general population does. I wouldn't give them the excuse of insanity, just feckless irresponsibility.

With regard to evidence that protests are super spreader events, maybe to date they haven't been, but the point is that if they continue to do so and remain unchecked, they absolutely will be.

I can't provide a link to an article proving any particular protest was a super spreader event, however, I can present several of a protester firing a firework into a Garda's face if you like?

I'm aware the two incidents seem unrelated but it gives one a flavour of the type of individual these protests appeal to.

Is that all you can come up with, the firework incident? You know it's easy to find an asshole everywhere.

The one in Cork was a peaceful protest.

There's plenty of evidence now that the virus loves the indoors and outdoors transmission are rare.

"

I was working in Cork city on the day of protest. Yes it did pass off peacefully but there was very little social distancing by those marching on the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years.

Two Different Articles on Excess Deaths in Sweden in the last week:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

And this paragraph from second article

"Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years. Countries that opted for several periods of strict lockdowns, such as Spain and Belgium, had so-called excess mortality of 18.1% and 16.2% respectively.""

OK but again back to get original point.. wouldnt these figures prove the danger of covid....and also the lack of rise in deaths here indicate some of the restrictions actually being successful....

Your contradicting your own arguments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years.

Two Different Articles on Excess Deaths in Sweden in the last week:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

And this paragraph from second article

"Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years. Countries that opted for several periods of strict lockdowns, such as Spain and Belgium, had so-called excess mortality of 18.1% and 16.2% respectively."

OK but again back to get original point.. wouldnt these figures prove the danger of covid....and also the lack of rise in deaths here indicate some of the restrictions actually being successful....

Your contradicting your own arguments "

Very contradictory altogether!

Seems they don’t believe in excess deaths due to covid but then show the huge rise in these countries

The fulcrum of covid deniers argument is the excess death argument and yet this screws them in the arsehole with these stats

They also forget that excess deaths aren’t even fully finalised for 2020

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"Why wouldn’t the annual death rate matter?

If its similar to other years without lockdown in Sweden which it looks like its going to be then it is possible

OK I could be missing something here, it's been a long week and I'm shattered.

But if during a pandemic that has killed 2.8m worldwide... doesn't the fact that the death rate here didn't shoot up indicate that the lockdowns were effective?

In contrast to say December where they were eased and people took a mile when offered an inch leading to a massive increase in deaths.You are missing something... think of it as a marathon not a sprint.

Over the 12 months of the year it balances out.

But you can't compare one year to the other as there were control measure put in place to control the spread of covid. Whic also controlled the spread of other infectious desires and viruses which can lead to death such as the common flu.

If there had been no lockdown and the numbers were the same that would be a good indicator. It doesn't work the other way roundDid you miss the reference to Sweden? Where there was no lockdown that was my innitial comment.

No I also saw bats post about their death rate being nearly times higher than ours.

I also decided to look up theor annual death rates. Its 5000 higher than the nearest other year in the last 10 years.

Two Different Articles on Excess Deaths in Sweden in the last week:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/24/swedens-2020-death-spike-lower-than-much-of-europe-data-shows

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

And this paragraph from second article

"Preliminary data from EU statistics agency Eurostat compiled by Reuters showed Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years. Countries that opted for several periods of strict lockdowns, such as Spain and Belgium, had so-called excess mortality of 18.1% and 16.2% respectively."

OK but again back to get original point.. wouldnt these figures prove the danger of covid....and also the lack of rise in deaths here indicate some of the restrictions actually being successful....

Your contradicting your own arguments "
When did i say Covid wasnt dangerous?

Excess deaths is the single most important factor to be accounted for.

And I never said i fully support it either, i am simple stating that there is possibly some evidence to suggest that lockdowns dont work.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"

Cherry picking

My point exactly - easy to do with a planet's worth of information at your fingertips and umpteen amounts of differing agendas available.

Numbers don't lie however. "
Numbers absolutely dont lie, we can agree on that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Your contradicting your own arguments When did i say Covid wasnt dangerous?

Excess deaths is the single most important factor to be accounted for.

And I never said i fully support it either, i am simple stating that there is possibly some evidence to suggest that lockdowns dont work.

"

"Also, as I mentioned last week. Irelands 2020 excess death rate more than likely is not going to be significant, so again what does that tell you?"

My apologies I took this to mean that the situation wasn't as serious as being made out.

I really don't know what you meny by that still tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's everyone's thoughts on this?"

I forgot to say hola you look sexy. Pity you are that far and now with that 'infamous' protest you could be in danger of extintion

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By *edknobsMan
over a year ago

mullingar

Why risk cluttering up more hospital ward/icu beds because you're too caught up with your own self importance and using human rites and freedom of speech as a Smoke screen... if demonstrating, out in public, without a mask, and you catch covid, will you expect the same treatment as those who abided by the lockdown protocol?? Again, caught up in your own self importance, neglecting to realise that the more covid admissions takes resources away from the hospitals being able to offer full capacity care to other patients such as cancer patients.... whose human rites are being violated in those cases??

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By *ewrideMan
over a year ago

KK


"DEATHS! The most significant way of judging how serious this pandemic is.

Other variables such as long covid we just dont really know yet what effect its going to have and obviously must be taken seriously but you must also consider other variables caused by lockdown such as effect on mental health and suicide.

Lockdowns long term effect on people’s general health as well, such as undiagnosed cancers which is well documented.

Barely a single breast check was carried out in april 2020 where something like 30k were carried out in the same month in 2019.

No need to shout.

I can read.

Deaths are a significant metric. But not THE metric. Which is why we're provided with a daily update of both death figures and infection figures.

The mental health argument is a reduant one.

Mental health was a large, worrying issue before C19 and will remain so after C19.

Does a world wide potentially fatal pandemic which has irrecoverably changed our lives and how we live affect our mental health negatively? Of course it does.

This is not a revelation.

But I feel this must be said, clearly and definitively;

Feeling sad is not a mental health issue.

Feeling bored is not a mental health issue.

Feeling frustrated is not a mental health issue.

Feeling anxious is not a mental issue.

Feeling restless, uncertain or uneasy is not a mental health issue.

This are all perfectly normal and acceptable human emotions to feel, and more so during times of uncertainty or great change. Which we are clearly in at the moment.

The suicide argument has also been debunked, as per The Irish Times;

"Despite many commentators’ worst fears, and the dire circumstances thrust upon many people by the Covid crisis, suicides have not increased in the past year..."

With regard to cancer screenings, yes, there is and will be a backlog, but a risk assessment was carried out with regard to continue passive screenings and obviously the risk of a potential infection of C19 was deemed to be the greater risk.

As I've said before, we as a society and as a race will ultimately be asked to shoulder the burden of the C19 pandemic. It won't be easy.

But it will be worse if idiots continue to protest and continue to deny the absolutely devastating toll this disease can have if left to spread unchecked.

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As callous of a thing I've ever seen written

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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As callous of a thing I've ever seen written"

Not entirely sure as to whose comment you're referring to but, either way, do some more reading - you'll come across far more callous things.

I suggest you start with The Bible.

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By *ewrideMan
over a year ago

KK

A bit of introspection is in offer

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By *ewrideMan
over a year ago

KK

*order

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A bit of introspection is in offer"

I'm sorry, could you make that any more vague?

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I'd like to know once where those new cases we have are coming from as they stay stubbornly high enough. But of course we won't see any of those information because first of all they only know partially because the tracking system is shit but also it would show off that they haven't done their homework in the last 12 month. Now two days in a row figures were slightly lower with the schools closed. As Sweden is regularly mentioned, did you know that they installed airfilters in almost all their schools. Won't happen here, they rather go for a pay increase themselves.

Anyhow I can tell you it's not the odd protest driving the spread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?

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By *he wanerding bullMan
over a year ago

cavan


"Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?"

I'd love a mass but can't get to one because of Covid

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest


"Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?

I'd love a mass but can't get to one because of Covid "

Excuse me....sorry...Think you misspelt "wandering" there....

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By *he wanerding bullMan
over a year ago

cavan


"Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?

I'd love a mass but can't get to one because of Covid

Excuse me....sorry...Think you misspelt "wandering" there....

"

That is brilliant I never copped that before

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest


"Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?

I'd love a mass but can't get to one because of Covid

Excuse me....sorry...Think you misspelt "wandering" there....

That is brilliant I never copped that before "

Ya know you can change it... but whatever floats your boat and all that...

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By *he wanerding bullMan
over a year ago

cavan


"Is there 'anything' to be said for another mass?

I'd love a mass but can't get to one because of Covid

Excuse me....sorry...Think you misspelt "wandering" there....

That is brilliant I never copped that before

Ya know you can change it... but whatever floats your boat and all that..."

I will leave it be thanks

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

cork


"I'd like to know once where those new cases we have are coming from as they stay stubbornly high enough. But of course we won't see any of those information because first of all they only know partially because the tracking system is shit but also it would show off that they haven't done their homework in the last 12 month. Now two days in a row figures were slightly lower with the schools closed. As Sweden is regularly mentioned, did you know that they installed airfilters in almost all their schools. Won't happen here, they rather go for a pay increase themselves.

Anyhow I can tell you it's not the odd protest driving the spread. "

Not driving it but without doubt adding to it.

Maybe some people need to rewind and refresh themselves with the pictures that were coming out of Italy,Spain and New York about 12 months ago.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I'd like to know once where those new cases we have are coming from as they stay stubbornly high enough. But of course we won't see any of those information because first of all they only know partially because the tracking system is shit but also it would show off that they haven't done their homework in the last 12 month. Now two days in a row figures were slightly lower with the schools closed. As Sweden is regularly mentioned, did you know that they installed airfilters in almost all their schools. Won't happen here, they rather go for a pay increase themselves.

Anyhow I can tell you it's not the odd protest driving the spread.

Not driving it but without doubt adding to it.

Maybe some people need to rewind and refresh themselves with the pictures that were coming out of Italy,Spain and New York about 12 months ago.

"

Did you observe which counties keep on popping back up with surges? It's rural counties with meat factories, coincidence? So maybe we should start with refreshers there rather than running finger wagging after the odd protest case.

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By *erlincorkMan
over a year ago

London

I watched this protest go past my office door at work today on the grand parade.

A few points which you are entitled to have an opposing opinion to, please voice it if you do.

Positives:

- The guards were well prepared, directing traffic and making sure everyone, protesters, general public and drivers alike were safe and protected. So we’ll done to the guards!!

- the gentleman leading the protest was inviting people to going and kept stressing ‘Feel free to joing this peaceful assembly’ which it seems to have been... at the very least... up to that point. People voicing their opinion in a peaceful manner... I’m all for this!!! There’s enough violence already.

Negetives:

- I get it, and I’m with you, everyone is tired and frustrated with staying indoors and not being permitted to work. But, you’re causing EXACTLY what you’re protesting against. Assembling in groups with no masks, within 2m, shaking hands and hugging, shouting (breathing more heavily)... this increases numbers and ultimately lengthens lockdown.

- In the group of 150-200 people that walked past me, one person wore a mask... 1... this is lunacy!

Conclusion:

I’m delighted to live in a country that we can voice an opinion or a concern, in a peaceful manner, without oppression or confrontation from the authorities.

But....

If you’re going to demonstrate against something.... don’t be a contributing factor TO IT... it’s idiocy!

Yours frustratedly,

Merlin of Corkopolis

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

cork


"I watched this protest go past my office door at work today on the grand parade.

A few points which you are entitled to have an opposing opinion to, please voice it if you do.

Positives:

- The guards were well prepared, directing traffic and making sure everyone, protesters, general public and drivers alike were safe and protected. So we’ll done to the guards!!

- the gentleman leading the protest was inviting people to going and kept stressing ‘Feel free to joing this peaceful assembly’ which it seems to have been... at the very least... up to that point. People voicing their opinion in a peaceful manner... I’m all for this!!! There’s enough violence already.

Negetives:

- I get it, and I’m with you, everyone is tired and frustrated with staying indoors and not being permitted to work. But, you’re causing EXACTLY what you’re protesting against. Assembling in groups with no masks, within 2m, shaking hands and hugging, shouting (breathing more heavily)... this increases numbers and ultimately lengthens lockdown.

- In the group of 150-200 people that walked past me, one person wore a mask... 1... this is lunacy!

Conclusion:

I’m delighted to live in a country that we can voice an opinion or a concern, in a peaceful manner, without oppression or confrontation from the authorities.

But....

If you’re going to demonstrate against something.... don’t be a contributing factor TO IT... it’s idiocy!

Yours frustratedly,

Merlin of Corkopolis

"

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