FabSwingers.com forum: 9 more weeks if level 5

By *amien88 OP Man
over a year ago

wicklow

Looks a given according to mehole

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock

"Looks a given according to mehole"

Should never opened up at xmas. This was bound to happen. Also heads should roll at top of EU for over promising

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

We're experiencing the endless lockdown until the government has found a strategy. Unfortunately by then most sme will have gone bankrupt.

Why did the government go through the hassle and draw up 5 levels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They had a year to organise but have done nothing...muppets!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Impressive the way the HSE have managed to suppress transmission of vaccines in the community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Impressive the way the HSE have managed to suppress transmission of vaccines in the community

In fairness they aren't too far behind the number of vaccines recieved versus numbers administered. They will always need to hold a number of vaccines back for 2nd doses incase of further supply issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is it that Irish people always seem to need to find someone to have a whinge at, someone to blame. The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice. All the strategies and plans in the world won't make up for people disregarding their own civic duties and responsibilities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the words of Randy Marsh “We didn’t listen”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're experiencing the endless lockdown until the government has found a strategy. Unfortunately by then most sme will have gone bankrupt.

Why did the government go through the hassle and draw up 5 levels? "

Exactly this!! And will keep going. Hopefully the vaccine program speeds up with more vaccines coming on line.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Why is it that Irish people always seem to need to find someone to have a whinge at, someone to blame. "

They just do what their political leaders do constantly and with great finesse.

"The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice. All the strategies and plans in the world won't make up for people disregarding their own civic duties and responsibilities."

Numbers also exploded because of the uk variant that is more infectious. I wonder how that got into the country with the rigorous travel restrictions we have.... oh hang on the latter only apply to those living in Ireland... for the rest of the world it's still 'Céad míle fáilte'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that Irish people always seem to need to find someone to have a whinge at, someone to blame.

They just do what their political leaders do constantly and with great finesse.

The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice. All the strategies and plans in the world won't make up for people disregarding their own civic duties and responsibilities.

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the words of Randy Marsh “We didn’t listen”."

Spooky Ghost

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By *onedbodMan
over a year ago

co Galway

"Why is it that Irish people always seem to need to find someone to have a whinge at, someone to blame. The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice. All the strategies and plans in the world won't make up for people disregarding their own civic duties and responsibilities."
Numbers exploded cause of thousands coming back from the UK especially for Christmas! Go around to towns etc any evening there isn't a dog on the street! That's Bs about people "disregarding responsibilities etc " most couldn't go home to see their families yet loads came over on the boat from Uk!

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

As i can see people in Ireland are still sleeping comparing to the some other countries, as long they receiving 350€ weekly they don't care stay in open type prison, business are destroyed, mental health also...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody is looking for anyone to blame you make that assumption yourself... but calling someone a whinger because they speak out against the half arsed attempt at suppressing the virus our lackluster goverment have made is just lazy, at the end of the day the goverment call the shots so ultimately they should be held to account maybe you cant grasp that ?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

a joke at this stage. living wise were now in a worse position then last year. different vaccines are here but it seems it will be ages before theres a difference. First it was beginning of Feb, then March then April and now may. they'd want to introduce a reopening road map soon or people will just say to hell with the whole lot of it. again there is no end in sight just extension,extension, extension.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

This is what happens when the powers that be continued to kick the can down the road hoping for a miracle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

So the people in other threads expecting sympathy because they haven't been to a party since December, which incidentally was still in the middle of a pandemic, should blame the government too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that is a bit harsh, the UK variant was always going to become the predominant variant here due to the amount of people that travel back and forth for essential work and education reasons.

We also share borderless Island with the UK so the Irish government putting in travel restrictions with the UK whilst travel is still permitted into NI is the equivalent of putting a little smiley face plaster on a shark bite.

The government can put any level restrictions in place but the reason he numbers have spiraled out of control is the decisions at individual level by the vast majority.

People naturally let their guard down on built up to and over Xmas which is somewhat understandable but now thousands of families are paying the price for those decisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This too will pass and the sun will rise again tomorrow.

The entire population is impacted by the actions of the minority. We cannot stop it. I expect we will see lockdown of some sort next winter again. I hope I'm wrong but a flare up here and there and we'll be into level 5 in no time.

The world is changing rapidly. Gotta make the best of it when we can.

Lee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the data coming out of Israel is very promising with the age groups fully vaccinated, infection levels, serious symptoms and mortality rates are falling significantly.

I'm quietly confident that by October/November these large population level locdowns will be a thing of the past and will only be a very localised based reaction to any outbreaks until full population vaccination is complete

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is only one way for the virus to transmit. If we stay apart for three weeks it will stop.

Other countries have succeded

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"This too will pass and the sun will rise again tomorrow.

The world is changing rapidly. Gotta make the best of it when we can.

Lee"
they'll reach a point where the people will accept no more and you'll have to live with covid like we do with the flu every year. its a joke at this stage. 21 so far is worse then 2020. I have no faith in NPHET or the government either. they're just making it up as they go along and to hell with everybody.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I think the data coming out of Israel is very promising with the age groups fully vaccinated, infection levels, serious symptoms and mortality rates are falling significantly.

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you never will have everybody vaccinated. thats the thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the people in other threads expecting sympathy because they haven't been to a party since December, which incidentally was still in the middle of a pandemic, should blame the government too? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that Irish people always seem to need to find someone to have a whinge at, someone to blame. The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice. All the strategies and plans in the world won't make up for people disregarding their own civic duties and responsibilities. Numbers exploded cause of thousands coming back from the UK especially for Christmas! Go around to towns etc any evening there isn't a dog on the street! That's Bs about people "disregarding responsibilities etc " most couldn't go home to see their families yet loads came over on the boat from Uk!

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By *13_hercMan
over a year ago

Blackrock

Spot on. No one to blame but those who won't follow the guidelines

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Spot on. No one to blame but those who won't follow the guidelines"
really? Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

So the people in other threads expecting sympathy because they haven't been to a party since December, which incidentally was still in the middle of a pandemic, should blame the government too?

You're going wayyyy ouf context here, I'm not talking about parties or nightclubs I'm talking about normal day to day things like having a browse in shops, going for lunch, going to the gym, travelling outside the 5km radius the normal things people do, no matter what way its dressed up, we are facing another 9 weeks lockdown because of the governments inadequate response to covid, I'm not going to list all their blunders but one that would likely have prevented the whole country being in lockdown now was closing the airports at christmas instead of spending money on advertising telling people not to come home but I guess money talks..."
spot on. things could have been done differently but xmas is now in the past, what's done is done. I think the reopening of the country is going to be vaccine based, however many are vaccinated rather than daily numbers and thats an awful lookout for people as the vaccine is going to be administered at snails pace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple."

A goverment policy did not spread the virus, people did. It was a bad decision for them to open up before xmas but everyone know the risks involved in going out for meals with friends and having a 'normal' Christmas with extended family.

I decided the risk was far too great for me personally and everyone else had the same decision to make.

It is too easy to blame the government or nphet for everything without looking inwards at ourselves for our own actions!

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple.

I decided the risk was far too great for me personally and everyone else had the same decision to make.

It is too easy to blame the government or nphet for everything without looking inwards at ourselves for our own actions!

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and it was the governments fault to do that..

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By *he English OneMan
over a year ago

west

Well at least one good thing should come out of this is we all should be a bit richer than usual lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple.

I decided the risk was far too great for me personally and everyone else had the same decision to make.

It is too easy to blame the government or nphet for everything without looking inwards at ourselves for our own actions!

Yet the government allowed free movement between Northern Ireland and the South and there isn't whisper of doubt that that's how the more virulent strain of covid got into this county. Why didn't the shut the border allowing only commercial traffic? Why did they not shut down all non essential flights in and out of this country back at the beginning of this shit show? We have our personal responsibility of course but they have made a cats arse of it.. 100%

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple.

I decided the risk was far too great for me personally and everyone else had the same decision to make.

It is too easy to blame the government or nphet for everything without looking inwards at ourselves for our own actions!

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people want to resume living life to some capacity, just an inkling of hope and living with covid to an extent. do u realise the harm lockdowns are doing to people in different ways?.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

So hypothetically if the government had adopted a tougher stance and imposed a stricter lockdown last year are we saying everyone would have accepted that and obeyed the law? The whinging started when simple guidelines were introduced so it's highly unlikely the serial moaners would accept a tougher regime meddling with their civil liberties. I've supplied hospitality and retail in various forms for most of my working life and all I see every day are people ignoring signs in supermarkets and turning up with their entire family to wander aimlessly around Tesco's and Lidl.

Work vans carrying 6-10 people searching for facemasks when they stop for their morning fries and in some cases taking it in turns to use the same masks so they are allowed into the shops.

People claiming to be exercising for mental health reasons who have driven for an hour or more with 3 or 4 people from other households in their cars and then claiming its grand because they are out in the mountains and no danger to anyone. Apart from to themselves and the search and rescue teams who have to deal with these armchair adventurers who have never been up a mountain before and are dressed as if they are going to wander aimlessly around Tesco's or Lidl with their entire family.

That's pure ignorance and stupidity and that's not down to the government.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"So hypothetically if the government had adopted a tougher stance and imposed a stricter lockdown last year are we saying everyone would have accepted that and obeyed the law? The whinging started when simple guidelines were introduced so it's highly unlikely the serial moaners would accept a tougher regime meddling with their civil liberties. I've supplied hospitality and retail in various forms for most of my working life and all I see every day are people ignoring signs in supermarkets and turning up with their entire family to wander aimlessly around Tesco's and Lidl.

Work vans carrying 6-10 people searching for facemasks when they stop for their morning fries and in some cases taking it in turns to use the same masks so they are allowed into the shops.

That's pure ignorance and stupidity and that's not down to the government. "
you're right but the problem and I keep saying it, you'll never ever get everybody doing the one thing. you're now in a situation with covid numbers dropping. not at the stage yet we need but coming down. were at the 19th February and there is talks of level 5 lockdown until May. wheres the reopening of the country and living with covid? that's why I think daily numbers mean nothing anymore and its all to do with vaccines which is a poor lookout for the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shut down the border?

Do you know how many crossing points there are on the border?

The government have to make recommendations taking into account public health, mental health, economic impacts, political impacts etc etc..

Its easy to say on an Internet forum close the border and stop all flights but there are plenty of more considerations to every decision they have to make.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Shut down the border?

Do you know how many crossing points there are on the border?

The government have to make recommendations taking into account public health, mental health, economic impacts, political impacts etc etc..

Its easy to say on an Internet forum close the border and stop all flights but there are plenty of more considerations to every decision they have to make.

The virus transmits from person to person so what it boils down to at a micro level is that every single one of us has to make a risk assessment for every action we take. Doing something outside of public health measures increases that risk and abiding by it reduces the risk. If the vast majority reduce the risk of transmission then we will be in a safer place until vaccines are in place and we don't need government policy to tell us that."
the last part of your statement, the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people. most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people. most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people.

most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people.

most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people. "

Listen I know how hard it is, I've made huge sacrifices like alot of people have and its very tough.

The reward is keeping vulnerable people alive long enough to get a vaccine, to keep people out of IVY on ventilation support, to not over run the hospitals so that other life threatening illnesses such as cancer can be treated and the staff are not overwhelmed.

Its not easy..

Just weigh up decisions and try take the decision which is less likely to transmit the virus.

That's all I have to add now

Stay safe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*ICU

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

" the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people.

most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people.

most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people.

Listen I know how hard it is, I've made huge sacrifices like alot of people have and its very tough.

Its not easy..

Just weigh up decisions and try take the decision which is less likely to transmit the virus.

That's all I have to add now

Stay safe!"
not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem. "

Yeah sorry, the 4000+ deaths and +150 people currently in ICU does take a bit of a shine off going on a piss up with mates...

My bad, people's enjoyment for this ~18 - 24 month period is paramount versus above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people.

most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people.

most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people.

Listen I know how hard it is, I've made huge sacrifices like alot of people have and its very tough.

Its not easy..

Just weigh up decisions and try take the decision which is less likely to transmit the virus.

That's all I have to add now

Stay safe!not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem. "

You live for these threads don't you?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

" the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people.

most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people.

most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people.

Listen I know how hard it is, I've made huge sacrifices like alot of people have and its very tough.

Its not easy..

Just weigh up decisions and try take the decision which is less likely to transmit the virus.

That's all I have to add now

Stay safe!not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem.

You live for these threads don't you?

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no, I havnt commented in yonks on any of these. just stating a few facts. if people havnt a problem with a continous level 5 and no end in site and are happy to put up with it so on so forth, id seriously question what they do in life.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem.

Yeah sorry, the 4000+ deaths and +150 people currently in ICU does take a bit of a shine off going on a piss up with mates...

My bad, people's enjoyment for this ~18 - 24 month period is paramount versus above

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u keep going back to piss ups. I'm not on about piss ups at all. do you never want life to return to some normality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"u keep going back to piss ups. I'm not on about piss ups at all. do you never want life to return to some normality?"

Of course I do..

I've put my life on poxy hold for a year.

But if like me you have someone in your family who won't survive the virus if they get it then you have no choice but to make better decisions for them and everyone else I come in contact with.

Maybe you have no one who is high risk, then that's fine but if you are making risky decisions from a virus transmission perspective then the person in the local coffee shop, or tesco or neighbour who you may spend time around could be or have someone very vulnerable to this virus.

Its all about decision making, you can make yours how ever you see fit

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

Haven't read all previous comments but wouldn't the most effective solution have been to take a cohesive UK/Ireland approach and lock down both countries? But with BJ and Arlene in charge, it was never going to happen.

Bloody hate politics!!!

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Yip level 5 for another while

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By *ay_Gatsby_D4Man
over a year ago

City Centre, Dublin

"Haven't read all previous comments but wouldn't the most effective solution have been to take a cohesive UK/Ireland approach and lock down both countries? But with BJ and Arlene in charge, it was never going to happen.

Bloody hate politics!!!"

Yeah, without starting a NI politics shitshow here I have to give Arlene a considerable amount of blame on this. She slapped down the republics approach last March as overreaction and turned Covid into an orange and green issue, she then hitched her (and the north’s) wagon to Boris which has been disastrous.

Political dogma over health and common sense

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"u keep going back to piss ups. I'm not on about piss ups at all. do you never want life to return to some normality?

Of course I do..

I've put my life on poxy hold for a year.

But if like me you have someone in your family who won't survive the virus if they get it then you have no choice but to make better decisions for them and everyone else I come in contact with.

Its all about decision making, you can make yours how ever you see fit

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I have followed restrictions 2 but like most others im getting very pissed off. there is no opening roadmap and no end in sight.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"u keep going back to piss ups. I'm not on about piss ups at all. do you never want life to return to some normality?

Of course I do..

I've put my life on poxy hold for a year.

But if like me you have someone in your family who won't survive the virus if they get it then you have no choice but to make better decisions for them and everyone else I come in contact with.

Its all about decision making, you can make yours how ever you see fit

I have followed restrictions 2 but like most others im getting very pissed off. there is no opening roadmap and no end in sight. "
you might ask why people are pissed off? its because people have followed l5 since Xmas, it keeps getting extended, no living with covid plan, people have no enjoyments or involvements in life. the general convo "stay at home apart from a small bit of exercise within 5k" is wearing very very thin. there is no consideration for businesses mental health, jobs, the list goes on. there is no hope of going back to xmas numbers. that was a once off time of year, travellers allowed from everywhere, people mingling at parties everyday for a week or more. they'd want to start pulling the finger out and start asking questions in relation to supply of vaccine.

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By *ed just RedWoman
over a year ago

Dublin City

Bloody hate politics!!!

Political dogma over health and common sense"

Yep. 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shut down the border?

Do you know how many crossing points there are on the border?

The government have to make recommendations taking into account public health, mental health, economic impacts, political impacts etc etc..

Its easy to say on an Internet forum close the border and stop all flights but there are plenty of more considerations to every decision they have to make.

I'd say take off the rose tinted glasses buddy you're out of touch talking about piss ups and all the rest that's not what people are talking about, everyone has someone that is vulnerable to covid so the guilt thing doesn't really work and the numbers and facts you post we see them every day we dont need to be reminded, I'm not going to get into politics but yours are very evident, look dress it up whatever way you want and blame the public as much as you want but the bottom line is that the goverment have made an absolute balls of suppressing and dealing with covid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very motivating Mr Motivator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very motivating Mr Motivator

Saying what I see buddy not an attack

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Shut down the border?

Do you know how many crossing points there are on the border?

The government have to make recommendations taking into account public health, mental health, economic impacts, political impacts etc etc..

Its easy to say on an Internet forum close the border and stop all flights but there are plenty of more considerations to every decision they have to make.

So what should have been done?

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By *ombikerMan
over a year ago

the right side of the river

The reason the numbers are high is because its flu season. The numbers will drop again in spring / summer.

Next winter they will go up again.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Shut down the border?

Do you know how many crossing points there are on the border?

The government have to make recommendations taking into account public health, mental health, economic impacts, political impacts etc etc..

Its easy to say on an Internet forum close the border and stop all flights but there are plenty of more considerations to every decision they have to make.

So what should have been done?"

What should have been done was back in February/march when the outbreak happened we should have shut the whole country down nobody in without 14 day forced quarantine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what should have been done?"

Everyone should have been responsible enough not to put themselves and their families in a position to increase risk of picking up and spreading the virus.

It comes down to personal responsibility and enough people taking responsibility for themselves

You don't get exponential growth of cases in the way we have seen in December and January without alot of people not following basic public health advice.

That's my opinion which you have asked for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" the problem is doing that over a serious length of time is not easy for most people.

most humans thrive and are born to interact but what you have been asked to do in level 5 so far is stay away from people.

most have abided but there is no reward only extension after extension. this is what's frustrating the life out of people.

Listen I know how hard it is, I've made huge sacrifices like alot of people have and its very tough.

Its not easy..

Just weigh up decisions and try take the decision which is less likely to transmit the virus.

That's all I have to add now

Stay safe!not one thing you have said there is allowing people live life with some enjoyment and that's the whole problem.

You live for these threads don't you?

no, I havnt commented in yonks on any of these. just stating a few facts. if people havnt a problem with a continous level 5 and no end in site and are happy to put up with it so on so forth, id seriously question what they do in life. "

Go on tell the truth, you get a stir in the pants when you see a covid thread

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By *eralt80Man
over a year ago

cork

What new hobby should I take up next?

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"What new hobby should I take up next?"

Painting

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

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over a year ago

"What new hobby should I take up next?

Painting"

Irish dacing and perform a 1 man riverdance show via zoom?

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By *eralt80Man
over a year ago

cork

"What new hobby should I take up next?

Painting"

Not a bad idea

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By *eralt80Man
over a year ago

cork

"What new hobby should I take up next?

Painting

Irish dacing and perform a 1 man riverdance show via zoom?"

The knees wouldn’t be able for it

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

"
and then you have the do gooders who always sit back, do as their told without asking a question. yes sir, yes mam, I will sir, I will mam. in relation to covid, this level 5 going on and on will have serious ramifications on peoples sanity and mental capacity along with many other areas but that's not looked at in the slightest.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

and then you have the do gooders who always sit back, do as their told without asking a question. yes sir, yes mam, I will sir, I will mam. in relation to covid, this level 5 going on and on will have serious ramifications on peoples sanity and mental capacity along with many other areas but that's not looked at in the slightest. "

What questions

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

So what should have been done?

Everyone should have been responsible enough not to put themselves and their families in a position to increase risk of picking up and spreading the virus.

It comes down to personal responsibility and enough people taking responsibility for themselves

You don't get exponential growth of cases in the way we have seen in December and January without alot of people not following basic public health advice.

That's my opinion which you have asked for."
the reason u had crazy January numbers was because of the most festive period of the year, XMAS. simple as that.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

What questions"
questions as to why the level 5 is continously month after month and why there is no reopening roadmap. questions as to why vaccine administration is so slow. questions as to why certain activities cannot resume outdoors where there is extreme low risk. questions as to why airports were left open throughout all of this and no mandatory quarantine. the list goes on.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Problem was the government opened up the pubs before Christmas knowing full well that this would explode in the coming months.. Every pub in my locality was packed and I'd say it was the same across the country coupled with all the people working in UK who came home for Christmas but were told to stay put and they just ignored it.. This is the fault of the government firstly by making poor decisions and the public for being ignorant

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

What questionsquestions as to why the level 5 is continously month after month and why there is no reopening roadmap. questions as to why vaccine administration is so slow. questions as to why certain activities cannot resume outdoors where there is extreme low risk. questions as to why airports were left open throughout all of this and no mandatory quarantine. the list goes on. "

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Did many other european countries close their borders

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Did many other european countries close their borders"
many other countries closed their borders. lockdown at the beginning. nobody in or out. fairly simple thing to do yould imagine but an agreement with the North would have to be reached. some people blame everyone in the country who did wrong but don't look at the bigger things the government could have done. now the government has an ongoing l5 extended month after month with no end in sight.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

let's be honest here. the vast majority of people are doing everything asked of them but continously get punished with an ongoing lockdown with no end. were now worse then we were in 2020

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I came back from Australia in the middle of the lockdown in April for my own mental health as I was in a bad situation in Oz. All I got on entering the country was a slip of paper telling me (and only me no one in my household) to isolate for 2 weeks. No check ins no attempt to enforce it.

Now Australia is fully back to normal, partying and everything because they did enforce strict hotel isolation for anyone entering the country for essential travel, it's the only way to do it. You can't expect a whole population to stay sane when they have little to no human contact for over a year.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I came back from Australia in the middle of the lockdown in April for my own mental health as I was in a bad situation in Oz. All I got on entering the country was a slip of paper telling me (and only me no one in my household) to isolate for 2 weeks. No check ins no attempt to enforce it.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Did many other european countries close their bordersmany other countries closed their borders. lockdown at the beginning. nobody in or out. fairly simple thing to do yould imagine but an agreement with the North would have to be reached. some people blame everyone in the country who did wrong but don't look at the bigger things the government could have done. now the government has an ongoing l5 extended month after month with no end in sight. "

Restricted travel....

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every way"
read read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. "
now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout. "

So I asked what youd do....and your on about the vaccine

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

So I asked what youd do....and your on about the vaccine "
the vaccine rollout is going to be as slow as a wet week. I laugh on fab because the vast majority I see on covid articles elsewhere are totally pissed off with nothing been given back to the people and then u pop on fab and u have a few loving the level 5s and wanting them to continue. as I already said, if l5s are not seriously getting to u now, with no end in sight, id seriously question your life in regard what u do for envolvements and enjoyments. thats right everyone who has no issue with their continuation

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

So I asked what youd do....and your on about the vaccine the vaccine rollout is going to be as slow as a wet week. I laugh on fab because the vast majority I see on covid articles elsewhere are totally pissed off with nothing been given back to the people and then u pop on fab and u have a few loving the level 5s and wanting them to continue. as I already said, if l5s are not seriously getting to u now, with no end in sight, id seriously question your life in regard what u do for envolvements and enjoyments. thats right everyone who has no issue with their continuation "

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

Why question my life??that's the 2and or 3rd time you've said that to me...how I live life.. what I do should be none of your concern...I dont see the issue here...how does the way I live...affect you and covid??am I missing something??"
I'm saying if people have no problem with continued level 5s with no end in sight they must do fuck all in life in regard enjoyments and involvements. not just u, anybody who has no issue and there is quiet a few on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

Why question my life??that's the 2and or 3rd time you've said that to me...how I live life.. what I do should be none of your concern...I dont see the issue here...how does the way I live...affect you and covid??am I missing something??I'm saying if people have no problem with continued level 5s with no end in sight they must do fuck all in life in regard enjoyments and involvements. not just u, anybody who has no issue and there is quiet a few on here. "

Accepting that restrictions are necessary to protect the vulnerable is a very different thing from 'loving the level 5s and wanting them to continue' as you say. No one is enjoying the restrictions or wants then to continue for a minute longer than they are needed but that does not mean we should all be out protesting with Gemma and John.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

Why question my life??that's the 2and or 3rd time you've said that to me...how I live life.. what I do should be none of your concern...I dont see the issue here...how does the way I live...affect you and covid??am I missing something??I'm saying if people have no problem with continued level 5s with no end in sight they must do fuck all in life in regard enjoyments and involvements. not just u, anybody who has no issue and there is quiet a few on here. "

Where have you seen anyone in any of these threads saying they have no issue with lockdown continuing? I have major issues with it, namely the fact that I've lost one job already and now have to work on a day to day basis.

I prefer to spend my time doing positive things instead of being a negative Nancy all the time.

It called adapting to your surroundings. I've had to sacrifice activities because of lockdown so I do DIY projects instead.

Just because people don't see it from your viewpoint doesn't mean they have no life.

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By *oo32Man
over a year ago

tipperary

"These threads remind me of every committee meeting I've ever been to on either side of the table.

Whether it be a PTA meeting or a charity or SAR, there are always those who shout loudest about what the board of governors or trustees are doing wrong.

They have an opinion on every topic and are quick to voice that opinion but never have a coherent answer themselves apart from pointing the finger of blame.

When offered the opportunity to join the committee and make a difference they always have an excuse not to and say it is too time consuming or they wouldn't be cut out for it.

People couldn't be stopped on the road and asked where they were going and there was protests...

How would you enforce mandatory quarantine??hotels...or at home?how would it be policed??

Restricted travel....

You were the one on here a few months ago on about your freedom being restricted and not being able to live life...and now you want enforced quarantine...like oz...make up your mind...you cant have it every wayread read read young chap. I said along time ago it should have been done. its common sense it should have been done but the government just make it up as they move along. now were left in a situation where there is no end in sight and they havnt a clue what they're doing with the vaccine rollout.

Why question my life??that's the 2and or 3rd time you've said that to me...how I live life.. what I do should be none of your concern...I dont see the issue here...how does the way I live...affect you and covid??am I missing something??I'm saying if people have no problem with continued level 5s with no end in sight they must do fuck all in life in regard enjoyments and involvements. not just u, anybody who has no issue and there is quiet a few on here. "

But that includes me....you've said it before to me,and I'm asking why what I do in life or for enjoyment has anything to do with you??

Most stuff was open before christmas last year and you were still on here complaining..

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By *cean1963Man
over a year ago

They had 12 months to put a strategy in place and they did absolutely nothing. Its an utter disgrace whats going on and time will tell there is another agenda here, how come a country like Bangladesh can vaccinate 1 million people in one week. The truth of whats happening is being withheld

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I think the technical term 'half arsed' sums it up!

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I think the technical term 'half arsed' sums it up!"
its made up as it goes along. you could be at 200/300 cases a day in mid March and still in level 5. when u were at that number in 2020 there was movement out of level 5. its an absolute disgrace whats going on. id love to know how many vulnerable at this stage are fully vaxd.

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By *angero3aMan
over a year ago

swords

did mike ryan one of the top men in WHO say again last week for the 2nd or 3rd time lockdowns not work seem only listen to WHO advice when suit them

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"did mike ryan one of the top men in WHO say again last week for the 2nd or 3rd time lockdowns not work seem only listen to WHO advice when suit them

"
they're a year into this and they still have no long term plan to live with covid. its just l5, rinse and repeat except this time its possibly going to go on longer then ever.

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over a year ago

"did mike ryan one of the top men in WHO say again last week for the 2nd or 3rd time lockdowns not work seem only listen to WHO advice when suit them

they're a year into this and they still have no long term plan to live with covid. its just l5, rinse and repeat except this time its possibly going to go on longer then ever. "

The vaccine roll out changes everything

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By *ongueandgroove555Couple
over a year ago

Waterford

Exactly this, the virus can't spread if people don't have contact, doesn't matter what variant. But the cute hours in the sheebeens, the people with the parties, students and everyone else.cant blame the government for any of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they're a year into this and they still have no long term plan to live with covid. its just l5, rinse and repeat except this time its possibly going to go on longer then ever. "

Ha are you on a wind up?

There is currently 3 different vaccines approved here and soon to be 5.

What other type of long term plans were you looking for to deal with COVID outside of a vaccines?

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Haven't met anyone through out this and defo wouldn't judge anyone who has. Generally stick to the restrictions, but have broken a couple of the rules by not sticking to the 5km and visiting family. I guess most have done similar and maybe more.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

they're a year into this and they still have no long term plan to live with covid. its just l5, rinse and repeat except this time its possibly going to go on longer then ever.

Ha are you on a wind up?

There is currently 3 different vaccines approved here and soon to be 5.

What other type of long term plans were you looking for to deal with COVID outside of a vaccines? "
I'm glad in one way there is vaccines because id hate to see the country without. we have vaccines, numbers are dropping but they continue a level 5 with no end in sight.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Haven't met anyone through out this and defo wouldn't judge anyone who has. Generally stick to the restrictions, but have broken a couple of the rules by not sticking to the 5km and visiting family. I guess most have done similar and maybe more. "
of course they have at this stage. its no "living" life is the issue at this stage though. even extend the 5k. leave people meet outdoors in x amount of groups but no, no sign of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the words of Randy Marsh “We didn’t listen”.

Spooky Ghost

You're gonna have a bad time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really picked the wrong time to start my sexuality ??

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By *lay2018Couple
over a year ago

westmeath & roscommon.

"This too will pass and the sun will rise again tomorrow.

The world is changing rapidly. Gotta make the best of it when we can.

Lee"

This is going to go on for a few years. Not just next year.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"This too will pass and the sun will rise again tomorrow.

The world is changing rapidly. Gotta make the best of it when we can.

Lee

This is going to go on for a few years. Not just next year."
it won't but what could happen is you never rid covid completely and you just live with it like the every year flu.

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over a year ago

The deal is simple. Micheál will let us out when we let him go to Washington. No photos with POTUS, no pints in the locals.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Numbers still around the 1000 mark and not dropping.. Too much socialising and not enough isolating

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

Well isn't it just dandy

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

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over a year ago

"Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

Money! Money! Money!

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

there's a verified video doing the rounds of over 100 men leaving a mosque in Dublin yesterday

Around 20 drove off in their taxis afterwards

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

"Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

there's a verified video doing the rounds of over 100 men leaving a mosque in Dublin yesterday

Around 20 drove off in their taxis afterwards "

That a joke ??

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow

"Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

there's a verified video doing the rounds of over 100 men leaving a mosque in Dublin yesterday

Around 20 drove off in their taxis afterwards

That a joke ??

Nope

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"Ahhh hang on there's light at the end of the lockdown tunnel: the archbishop has asked the government to ease restrictions over Easter so that the people can gather for religious purpose....

the mind boggles!!!!

there's a verified video doing the rounds of over 100 men leaving a mosque in Dublin yesterday

Around 20 drove off in their taxis afterwards

That a joke ??

Unfortunately not

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-blackpitts-mosque-coronavirus-garda-19878191.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

I am just amazed how media and politics all over Europe has managed to keep the population distracted in fear . An overwhelmed health system is not due to Cov19- it was there before or have you forgotten the hundreds on the trollies? The desolate circumstances in the nursery long were there before 2019. Will they disappear with your magic vaccine, which doesn’t even guarantee that you get infected and may infect others ? And only last week a research trial started with a few hundred volunteers to figure out how much virus load it takes to get infected and to be contagious - shouldn’t these research have been done a year ago - if we didn’t know up to now how come the infamous PCR test is the golden standard to deal with the „ pandemic“ .

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

The whole situation is born by mediocre to poor management , politicians run themself into this panic without strategy . While they may have enjoyed the power and control thrill fir a while - they got no exit strategy now that the collateral damage caused has exceeded the pretended risk by far . And the bill is coming and will be bitter . So as long as they don’t have an exit strategy that doesn’t make them lose their face we will continue this lock down game , digging out ever new reasons to shift the goal post to extend the lock down - unless someone has balls enough to say enough is enough

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over a year ago

"I am just amazed how media and politics all over Europe has managed to keep the population distracted in fear . An overwhelmed health system is not due to Cov19- it was there before or have you forgotten the hundreds on the trollies? The desolate circumstances in the nursery long were there before 2019. Will they disappear with your magic vaccine, which doesn’t even guarantee that you get infected and may infect others ? And only last week a research trial started with a few hundred volunteers to figure out how much virus load it takes to get infected and to be contagious - shouldn’t these research have been done a year ago - if we didn’t know up to now how come the infamous PCR test is the golden standard to deal with the „ pandemic“ .

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back. "

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

"
because limit your contacts doesn't guarantee anything. 4 fam members have a drink. 2 are positive but asymptomatic. go to work Monday and mingle with more,passing it on or even touching stuff in a supermarket, those people then spread it to their bubble etc. only way you stop it is meet nobody. we're all well aware that's not possible. there is a big big chance we will just live with covid like the every year flu. giving a roadmap would even give people some positivity but there is nothing just extension extension extension. you now have the Brazil varient here. how did that get here? because the airports are open.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

because limit your contacts doesn't guarantee anything. 4 fam members have a drink. 2 are positive but asymptomatic. go to work Monday and mingle with more,passing it on or even touching stuff in a supermarket, those people then spread it to their bubble etc. only way you stop it is meet nobody. we're all well aware that's not possible. there is a big big chance we will just live with covid like the every year flu. giving a roadmap would even give people some positivity but there is nothing just extension extension extension. you now have the Brazil varient here. how did that get here? because the airports are open.

We know limiting ur contacts reduces the spread of the virus its fact not an assumption

These Brazilian cases were caught by screening and contained as far as we know, once people like these comply with the guidelines the system works

Look even open Australia and new Zealand have had infections that they had to contain but once they did the risk is depleted

The system here isn't right I'd be on of the first to admit that and advocate enforced quarantine at the travelers expense as my local TD's know from the emails they get

If you want change be proactive mail ur representative and express ur concerns and add your feelings on the solutions u feel are required after all they are your representatives and if they don't give a reasonable reply next election u know what to do

Stop whinging be part of the solution not the problem "

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Concerning rules and restrictions - show me one person I may have infected by leaving the 5km zone and I take all these blame - even though I don’t have any infection.

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

We know limiting ur contacts reduces the spread of the virus its fact not an assumption

These Brazilian cases were caught by screening and contained as far as we know, once people like these comply with the guidelines the system works

Look even open Australia and new Zealand have had infections that they had to contain but once they did the risk is depleted

The system here isn't right I'd be on of the first to admit that and advocate enforced quarantine at the travelers expense as my local TD's know from the emails they get

Stop whinging be part of the solution not the problem "
but living secluded lives is one of the things that's driving people banannas right now. add to that the no end in sight and continues extensions of l5

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shut everything for 3 weeks.

All shops except for supermarkets.

No fast food no nothing, everyone stays at home and shuts the fuck up

Shut the airports and the ports and put the army on the border.

First person who is caught out of their house and not going to the shops for messages, shoot them on RTE at 6PM instead of the Angelus.

First person caught on the internet whining on about how they would do things different, shoot them just before the 9PM news

After 3 weeks return to normal, open everything but set a daily number, when this number is reached we shut down for 3 weeks again

Repeat until people fucking cop on

Simple

Vote for ME!

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

"I am just ............While they may have enjoyed the power and control thrill for a while - they got no exit strategy now that the collateral damage caused has exceeded the pretended risk by far . And the bill is coming and will be bitter . So as long as they don’t have an exit strategy that doesn’t make them lose their face we will continue this lock down game , digging out ever new reasons to shift the goal post to extend the lock down - unless someone has balls enough to say enough is enough

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

And this is where i lost all faith in any published statistics . The official R- value in ireland is between 0.6 - and 0.9 depending who states it but it is below 1.

Someone who has been tested positive 5 weeks ago and then tested again three weeks later positive - the second test is added again to the „new incidents „ - checkout TD McNamarra scrutinizing the statistical method applied at HSE and associated institutions .

There is this mystic sword of Damocles created by this Christian Drosten in Germany about the asymptomatic positive . The story derived from some Chinese business traveler who apparently traveled thru Germany attending all kind of business meetings whilst being contagious . This person was than displayed as the „ asymptomatic positive . What Drosten did not disclose is that this person was swallowing Paracetamol by the lot - which clearly indicates that there are severe symptoms . However the story of the asymptomatic positive made its way through the fear monger machine all over the world with the appropriate results .

You may find a lung specialist who will tell you something about the likelihood of an asymptomatic positive with a respiratory viral desease - but only behind closed doors as no one is willing to conflict the mainstream narrative as he risks to be discredited regardless he is right or wrk g . Scientific dispute has been killed all long - it’s the true faith or none and any heretic will be dismayed as conspiracists or tinfoil hat wearer . in my humble opinion - that’s religion and not science but I am luckily in the position to give a shit what anyone things about me

....and since this whole lock down rule obedience seem efficiently to work for the „experts“ on our government - here is my bet - once the population is to fatigue to sustain faith in this deadly crisis and its even deadlier management thereof - a new virus or decease will emerge on the horizon to continue the shit show . How about some transmission of bird flu H5N8 in Timbuktu . I should start buying more option and equity shares on big pharma - there is lots of money still to be made - and this! is what this is all about

enjoy your evening and happy fabbing

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By *ork ClassCouple
over a year ago

Cork

Mid summer to open hospitality!.

The government have lost the run of themselves,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mid summer to open hospitality!.

The government have lost the run of themselves, "

On a brighter note! Lovely bum by the way

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By *atts n titsCouple
over a year ago

everywhere

I'm sure Tony holahan would have preferred to spend the last year of his wife's life with her instead of trying to come with a plan to sort this shit storm out that no one in the world was prepared for

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

"I'm sure Tony holahan would have preferred to spend the last year of his wife's life with her instead of trying to come with a plan to sort this shit storm out that no one in the world was prepared for "

....and what exactly is the plan to sort this out so far ...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

_inxnmaster 5 posts up!!

I have a plan, people just need to start listening to me

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

"_inxnmaster 5 posts up!!

I have a plan, people just need to start listening to me"

yeah , that is your plan. fair enough . What’s the exact plan to get out of this mess of those in charge ....sorry but your plan could earliest be applied once you made your run to face the electorate ....seems a few years away . That said chances are that this is still going ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who said anything about an election?

Ok I might have said "vote for me" but that was more tounge in cheek than anything.

Just wanted peeps to think they had a choice.

I will not hold your negativity against you as your wife also has a lovely bum and I will let things slide this once

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Mid summer to open hospitality!.

The government have lost the run of themselves, "
they're just deciding what to do as they go along. I'm looking forward to seeing the reopening roadmap. I said it at Xmas though. everything this time is vaccine based more so then anything else.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

And this is where i lost all faith in any published statistics . The official R- value in ireland is between 0.6 - and 0.9 depending who states it but it is below 1.

enjoy your evening and happy fabbing"

Cases of bird flu have already started up in Russia at the moment. I also seen that because of the new varients, Mr Gates has been recommending a third shot of the vaccine.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

....and what exactly is the plan to sort this out so far ...? "
some plan indeed, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results #cliche

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling...."

Ain't only vaccines, he also saying the rich countries should be all eating synthetic beef.

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over a year ago

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling...."

He talks to his money and when it doesn't talk back he uses it to experiment on folk

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

Ain't only vaccines, he also saying the rich countries should be all eating synthetic beef. "

That beef is poison...

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

He talks to his money and when it doesn't talk back he uses it to experiment on folk "

He is like Trump but with money, can actually string a sentence together,has some grey cells but has twisted ideas.......

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

Ain't only vaccines, he also saying the rich countries should be all eating synthetic beef.

That beef is poison... "

but it ain't even beef.

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

Ain't only vaccines, he also saying the rich countries should be all eating synthetic beef.

That beef is poison...

but it ain't even beef. "

No its not... it is poison...

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over a year ago

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

He talks to his money and when it doesn't talk back he uses it to experiment on folk

He is like Trump but with money, can actually string a sentence together,has some grey cells but has twisted ideas....... "

Yeah no one calls them tinfoil hats or crack pots and they've 0 expertise on health..

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Russel brand released an interesting video yesterday on his page about India and its farmers.

Well worth the watch....

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

I am just ............While they may have enjoyed the power and control thrill for a while - they got no exit strategy now that the collateral damage caused has exceeded the pretended risk by far . And the bill is coming and will be bitter . So as long as they don’t have an exit strategy that doesn’t make them lose their face we will continue this lock down game , digging out ever new reasons to shift the goal post to extend the lock down - unless someone has balls enough to say enough is enough

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

And this is where i lost all faith in any published statistics . The official R- value in ireland is between 0.6 - and 0.9 depending who states it but it is below 1.

enjoy your evening and happy fabbing

"Cases of bird flu have already started up in Russia at the moment. I also seen that because of the new varients, Mr Gates has been recommending a third shot of the vaccine. "

And another bat born virus is set to be the next global pandemic.. Apparently 50 times more deadly than covid.. Sounds like fun eh

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

hear hear

Most all of us are more than capable of conducting our own risk assessments on a daily basis at and on a better level then government.. enough is enough . Take your lives back.

You would think so wouldn't u

From reading trough threads here some may be well versed in risk assessments but theres a hell of a lot that think meeting numerious people outside their bubble is ok

Biggest risk:transmitting the virus from one person to numerous contacts thus multiplying the infection rates tenfold

Assessment: limit your contacts

How much more simple can it be

And this is where i lost all faith in any published statistics . The official R- value in ireland is between 0.6 - and 0.9 depending who states it but it is below 1.

enjoy your evening and happy fabbing

Cases of bird flu have already started up in Russia at the moment. I also seen that because of the new varients, Mr Gates has been recommending a third shot of the vaccine.

And another bat born virus is set to be the next global pandemic.. Apparently 50 times more deadly than covid.. Sounds like fun eh"

I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

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By *allyWally19Woman
over a year ago

The Road to Nowhere

"The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice."

This for suuuuure!!

For every 10 people, no good with just 8 of em following guidelines/restrictions.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

Most definitely there will and we will go through years of hell again refusing to believe that somebody could be so evil to deliberately create such a nasty disease

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"The reason the numbers exploded at Christmas and are still high is because people did not follow the HSE and Government advice.

This for suuuuure!!

For every 10 people, no good with just 8 of em following guidelines/restrictions.

"
that's unfortunately applies to everything in life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling...."

Bill Gates is extremely intelligent and for over 20 years his full time job has been eradicating disease in the 3rd world, investing billions of his own wealth. He has probably more qualified on the subject than anyone on earth and has been warning that governments were unprepared for the next pandemic for years.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

"I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

Most definitely there will and we will go through years of hell again refusing to believe that somebody could be so evil to deliberately create such a nasty disease

As skeptical as I have always been, I ain't going to trust most things straight out. I have been abidding by most restrictions, but surely these lockdowns if they continue on, will be just as bad for people's, physical + mental health, loss of work, closure of business and missed screenings and hospital appointments.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling...."

What's puzzling about it? He's an intelligent man who employs and takes advice from other intelligent, highly qualified people. He is lucky to have made a lot of money and has committed to use most of that money in causes that he feels will make the world a better place. I mean, is it more likely that he's a an evil genius who wants to takeover the would (he's already 2nd richest man in the world, what would he have to gain??), or that he's just a rich guy with a social conscience who wants to to a bit of good?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

Cases of bird flu have already started up in Russia at the moment. I also seen that because of the new varients, Mr Gates has been recommending a third shot of the vaccine.

And another bat born virus is set to be the next global pandemic.. Apparently 50 times more deadly than covid.. Sounds like fun eh"

I was talking to a lady (suitably masked and socially distanced of course) whose first cousin over heard a conversation in the Woodies paint aisle that the next pandemic will jump from penguins in Siberia to humans. Apparently it will be so virulent, that you can catch it from just looking at a picture of a penguin on your mobile phone!

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over a year ago

"I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

Most definitely there will and we will go through years of hell again refusing to believe that somebody could be so evil to deliberately create such a nasty disease

Of course there was going to be a lab beside where the Covid break out started. Scientists have known that there was a high probability of a human mutable coronavirus coming from the bats in wuhan and have been studying them for years.

Do you think earthquakes are caused by evil scientists because every lab monitoring seismic activity on fault lines?

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

Most definitely there will and we will go through years of hell again refusing to believe that somebody could be so evil to deliberately create such a nasty disease

Do you think earthquakes are caused by evil scientists because every lab monitoring seismic activity on fault lines?"

An earthquake is a natural disaster caused by plate lines colliding and sliding.. No comparison whatsoever with covid 19 which was created deliberately in a lab and released into the general public to create havoc.. Don't be so naive to think any different..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont get why Bill Gates seems to be an expert on the pandemic.... vaccines... and telling everyone what to do.... puzzling....

Bill Gates is actually now the 3rd richest after Elon Musk's stock jumped recently. If Gates had of kept his wealth in investments and not been donating Billions every year for decades, he would easily still be the wealthiest.

To put it in perspective, at this stage he has saved more lives in the 3rd world from starvation and disease than Hitler had killed in the holocaust. Yet people think his is plan is to microchip them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Earthquakes are caused by Doctor Evil and mini Me! Everyone knows that

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over a year ago

"I wonder will there be a lab beside that break out, too.

Most definitely there will and we will go through years of hell again refusing to believe that somebody could be so evil to deliberately create such a nasty disease

Do you think earthquakes are caused by evil scientists because every lab monitoring seismic activity on fault lines?

My point was that the reason there were covid labs next to the outbreak, was because they had been studying it for years trying to predict the next pandemic. You can thank those labs for doing all the groundwork so we knew exactly what this virus strain was and where it originated from, so they were able to get a running start in a vaccine.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"My point was that the reason there were covid labs next to the outbreak, was because they had been studying it for years trying to predict the next pandemic. You can thank those labs for doing all the groundwork so we knew exactly what this virus strain was and where it originated from, so they were able to get a running start in a vaccine."

That maybe so but they released it into the public on purpose this was no accident.. The vaccines we have developed now will be useless in a few years time because its constantly mutating.. They are already losing their efficacy against the Brazilian and African strain which are able to bypass the immune system making the vaccine useless.. No way this wasn't man made in a lab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think man has never landed on the moon too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are watching too many super villain movies. Only in the movies when they poison the water supply. They dont poison THEIR OWN drinking supply. And they force the city to buy clean water from then.

If they are smart enough to create a super virus, why didnt they wait till they had one with a vaccine so they'd make billions and spin it that they are theres that saved the planet. And why did they release it on their own town firsy killing themselves?

Be honest, you havent read a single research paper out of any lab in China. And you have no idea what goes into the process of creating new viruses. You just hear "china = bad"

I take it you have not read a single paper to come out of any of the research in

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Do you think man has never landed on the moon too? "

Wasn't that a line from an Rem song?

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"I think you are watching too many super villain movies. Only in the movies when they poison the water supply. They dont poison THEIR OWN drinking supply. And they force the city to buy clean water from then "

They knew they would eradicate said virus quickly so they took a chance.. They also knew that our so called Western countries would be a soft touch hence why we are living with covid and its restrictions and they are covid free going about their lives as normal

"If they are smart enough to create a super virus, why didnt they wait till they had one with a vaccine so they'd make billions and spin it that they are theres that saved the planet. And why did they release it on their own town firsy killing themselves? "

They had a vaccine developed already before they released covid into the public.. They don't care about making billions it's not all money.. They just wanted to kill as many people as possible and disrupt the world.. Biological warfare at its finest

"Be honest, you havent read a single research paper out of any lab in China. And you have no idea what goes into the process of creating new viruses. You just hear "china = bad"

I take it you have not read a single paper to come out of any of the research in "

I don't need to read any research paper from China.. Sure any data can be falsified.. Would you believe a research paper from this lab in China? One of the most corrupt countries in the world. You'd want to be some dope to take it as verbatim and no I don't think china=bad.. China is a great country a superpower despite the communist corrupt government

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Close the meat factories, go to your local butcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what your saying is, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except the fact that you dont trust china, which is what you are basing everything on.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

So what your saying is, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except the fact that you dont trust china, which is what you are basing everything on."

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

So what your saying is, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except the fact that you dont trust china, which is what you are basing everything on."

Pretty much yes there is no other plausible explanation other than sabotage.. Your theory is rubbish.. They might have been studying coronavirus for years but that doesn't explain how it managed to get to the public from a supposedly secure lab.. Just someone be careless was it? No way this was a mistake.. Its was a deliberate act of biological warfare

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

So what your saying is, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except the fact that you dont trust china, which is what you are basing everything on.

He says.. with zero supporting evidence. Even though the WHO says its highly unlikely, and the vast majority of independent experts agree.. but hey, why let facts spoil a good baseless conspiracy theory

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

It's blatantly obvious mistakes have been made by those in power. No point saying we should have did this and that. Talk about the now. Extending the lockdown at every opportunity is soul destroying for the people. It wouldn't be as bad with a clear reopening road map or martin saying one thing, varadkar another, other health experts saying other things, junior ministers having their say etc. Pick a date and address the nation and nothing said before that, Then one person speaks. The vaccine is a separate issue but it's a joke what's going on. Come April whenever the weather picks up, you'll have people going to beaches, kayaking down rivers, drinking in friends gardens etc. I'd say you're very close to loosing the people for good. Anybody I speak to is at the end of their tether. So far 21 has been worse then 2020. Bring on the reopening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The suicide rate and mental health cost to the health agencies will be much higher than Covid. I have been made redundant after working extremely hard to carve a successful career and it coincided 2.5 mths into a new house move after my marriage split up. Trying to find light at the end of the tunnel but talk of extensions to restrictions to summertime are making for a desperate situation and savings are gone and now my hone is at risk. Speed up vaccines and get on with it quickly.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

I wouldn't rule natural or lab out, it's not as if the WHO were very honest from the start and tried to say it wasn't that serious, as to close borders straight away. Fair enough it's a serious virus, but these constant lockdowns are just as dangerous to health, people's welfare, work, economics, homelessness and starvation. Statistically some of the countries that have had the most hardest of lockdowns have actually been the ones that are worst for case numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't rule natural or lab out, it's not as if the WHO were very honest from the start and tried to say it wasn't that serious, as to close borders straight away. Fair enough it's a serious virus, but these constant lockdowns are just as dangerous to health, people's welfare, work, economics, homelessness and starvation. Statistically some of the countries that have had the most hardest of lockdowns have actually been the ones that are worst for case numbers. "

You say you wouldnt rule lab out... but its enormously unlikely. There is absolutely no way of knowing by looking at the molecular chain of a virus in a petri dish, the range of emergent properties it will take on in human body.

It is absolutely impossible for an evil scientist to look at a new virus strain in a petri dish and know that the human incubation period is 14 days, it has an R0 number of X, the number of symptomatic people will be Y, and it will be lethal in Z percent of cases.

These factors only come to light when implemented in large scale in the human population. There are literally trillions of mutations a virus strain can have. It's inconceivable that evil scientists could have performed the correct mutations in a lab, knowing this is the deadly one.

But it is conceivable that bats, who are also mammals, who drink blood of other mammals, who hibernate in highly dense colonies, whose homes are becoming increasingly close to human populations during to urban sprawl, would be a natural environment for new viruses to be created.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Who said anything about mad scientists???

There were bat's in the lab and they were being tested on, which it could have leaked from there.

Or it could have happened naturally and picked up through the wet markets, like has been suggested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who said anything about mad scientists???

There were bat's in the lab and they were being tested on, which it could have leaked from there.

Or it could have happened naturally and picked up through the wet markets, like has been suggested. "

Well the bats werent in a lab, they were tagged, and periodically captured and their blood taken to check for coronavirus mutations. This is a well documented fact.

The question still stands. Which is more probably. The infinitesimally small probability that out of the trillions of potential alterations, through the painstakingly slow methods in a petri dish, that scientists would create a strain deadly to humans. And that there was actually a way of knowing that this one virus that escaped/ released was deadly.

Or is there a greater chance that the 10s of millions of bats nesting together, who drink blood of other mammals, with cities moving closer to their natural habitat, are the perfect storm of factors needed to naturally create a human compatible virus and pass it to farm animals that will eventually lead to humans.

Yes there is a chance it came from a lab, but it isnt even 1 in a million. Where the the probability of it being created naturally, was a near certainty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spot on. No one to blame but those who won't follow the guidelinesreally? Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple."
is it the government's fault that people didn't wear masks even though they were told to wear them is it the government's fault people didn't social distance even though they were told to social distance people have to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for their own actions and if they did there would be a lot less deaths due to covid-19 and I wouldn't have lost 1 of my relatives to covid-19

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By *dfabMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne

Spot on. No one to blame but those who won't follow the guidelinesreally? Stop blaming the public.

The powers at be have made an absolute mess of this. Plain and simple.is it the government's fault that people didn't wear masks even though they were told to wear them is it the government's fault people didn't social distance even though they were told to social distance people have to stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for their own actions and if they did there would be a lot less deaths due to covid-19 and I wouldn't have lost 1 of my relatives to covid-19 "

Agreed and very sorry for your loss.

Only just saw a Facebook video of over 100 people leaving a mosque of some sort in Dublin.

FFS people!

We're a few months away from everyone having at least their first vaccine and being 85% resilient.

Can ye not cop the fuck on??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the words of Randy Marsh “We didn’t listen”.

Spooky Ghost

...I didn't here no bell....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spot on. No one to blame but those who won't follow the guidelinesreally? Stop blaming the public.

Agreed and very sorry for your loss.

Only just saw a Facebook video of over 100 people leaving a mosque of some sort in Dublin.

FFS people!

We're a few months away from everyone having at least their first vaccine and being 85% resilient.

Can ye not cop the fuck on??

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that's the problem no one lately has any cop on its always someone else's fault we are all sick of lockdown but I'd rather stay like this than have any family go through what we have gone through in the last few months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Accidental Lab release or Bats in a meat market.

All I care about go now is it looks like Summer things will be quite normal with all these vaccines... I wager August. Nearly there.

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