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By *og-Man OP   Man
over a year ago

somewhere

So any fabbers got an electric car

Are you happy with it

What model

Does it fit into your lifestyle

Does it do the claimed milage

Any pitfalls

Thinking of changing a car that's only driven 150km a week normally by another person in the family

1.2 petrol at the moment

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Only know two people who had them. Both Nissan Leafs. They kept faith with them for 4-5 years but every back to non electric in the last few months as they felt the initial outlay wasn't offset by the subsequent savings.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Have a hybrid rav 4..its 2.5 petrol engine with an electric motor.. Does about 45mpg which isn't great when you consider a vw 1.9 diesel will get 55mpg all day long.. Its not bad though.. The petrol engine kicks in every once in a while when electric motor needs recharging.. Its very quiet only road noise is from tyres.. Have no experience with full electric.. I'd imagine the range in 1 of these is pretty poor like 500km a charge and finding charging points that actually work are a problem unless you live in the middle of a town.. Anyway I'd hold off on full electric and opt for a hybrid as the technology and infrastructure isn't as advanced as what it should be..

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By *ineapple_PrincessWoman
over a year ago

in the waves

I've a self charging hybrid and I like it. I spend f all on petrol. But they don't suit if you're doing tons of motorway travel.

I'd consider going full electric if I had the ability to put in a charger, but I currently don't.

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By *scouple07Couple
over a year ago

louth, Ireland

Think electric cars are dangerous, they don't make much noise and can see too many people (kids mainly) getting knocked over

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By *og-Man OP   Man
over a year ago

somewhere


"Think electric cars are dangerous, they don't make much noise and can see too many people (kids mainly) getting knocked over"

I think they now have to make a noise under some new regulation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Took an BMW X5 hybrid for a spin yesterday , if you put the boot down in electric it’s like a dyson if you do it in petrol mode it’s like star ship enterprise so I wasn’t impressed .

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock

yup e-soul, previously had leaf. the leaf was 30kwh id get about 140km out of it. New car i get about 450km out of. apart from fuel savings costs me under 8 euro on night saver for full charge, you also factor in the service savings (they dont break down) only wear and tear really is the tyres. Break pads you should get close to 500k out of. With my last car i had 140km on it and never had any issues at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be careful of servicing costs if you do purchase. Not many of the smaller garages are set for doing this yet so means you will need to go to the main dealer. They can really charge what they want as nobody else can do it so you have no choice really

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock

They can but my leaf every 10k wa 80 euro to service my kia now was 100


"Be careful of servicing costs if you do purchase. Not many of the smaller garages are set for doing this yet so means you will need to go to the main dealer. They can really charge what they want as nobody else can do it so you have no choice really "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They can but my leaf every 10k wa 80 euro to service my kia now was 100

Be careful of servicing costs if you do purchase. Not many of the smaller garages are set for doing this yet so means you will need to go to the main dealer. They can really charge what they want as nobody else can do it so you have no choice really "

All garages must be trained to work on hybrid/electric vehicles. Not the same as Joe down the road doing a quick service anymore unfortunately. Sounds right that the price has gone up

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

I'm waiting for the hydrogen hybrids to become more mainstream before I switch from diesel

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

The range anxiety would be too much to bear - Mrs

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock


"The range anxiety would be too much to bear - Mrs "

Had that fear buying first one and yeah i can see how some dont like planning long journey. but unless you are doing 450 km a day and not charging at home at night then you have to use app to see your nearest charge point.

Before lockdown during last summer i went with full battery from wicklow to galway then up to sligo. Gave her 30% boost in sligo onto derry. Full free charge in derry and that go me to the causeway and back to dublin with plenty to spare.

but each to their own

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By *og-Man OP   Man
over a year ago

somewhere


"The range anxiety would be too much to bear - Mrs "

Eventually we'll have to change i suppose but somedays I'd drive Dublin.Waterford.limerick.Dinlin between 5 and 6 hundred km

I'd hate to have to stop to recharge when my car can do over 900 km with a full tank

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock


"So any fabbers got an electric car

Are you happy with it

What model

Does it fit into your lifestyle

Does it do the claimed milage

Any pitfalls

Thinking of changing a car that's only driven 150km a week normally by another person in the family

1.2 petrol at the moment

I would say if you're doing 150km a week then you would be fine with old leaf which are cheap out. The service FYI is battery check air filter and thats it. Think my leaf on night saver was 3 to charge up for that approx 140km.

I was a petrol head and spend too much over the years on my cars and never once have i regretted switching

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By *og-Man OP   Man
over a year ago

somewhere


"I'm waiting for the hydrogen hybrids to become more mainstream before I switch from diesel "

Have you looked into it...any idea when it will happen

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock


"I'm waiting for the hydrogen hybrids to become more mainstream before I switch from diesel "

Can i ask why?? just curious. because Hydrogen kinda makes sense for HGV's but none of the car makers see it as a runner for them. Storage is an issue where as electric will out range them (already starting too) and does not require huge infrastructure. But maybe there is a future for them the market dictates after all. but think of this as vhs v betamax or DVD v HDdvd. only one can really win out and BEV's have the lead

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By *anFromMarsMan
over a year ago

North

Electric cars havent got anywhere near where they need to be to suit most car users requirements. The range of vehicle types to suit consumers needs is not there yet the same as the range you get between charges and how conservatively you have to drive to achieve claimed manufactures range.

Then you have the problem of the battery cells, they are I believe a third of the cost of an electric vehicle and only have a 10 year life span so this has to seriously effect resale value even on a 1 owner vehicle trading in after a 4 year finance agreement. Worse if you bought a 4 year old electric car and by the time your ready to trade up it's worth nothing as it is almost due new battery cells. Do electric cars only have a life span of 10 years? Because if you had an accident in a fossil fuel car and the repair cost was a third or more of the cars "market value" it would be written off.

Electric cars aren't cheap and unless you can afford a Tesla they are not really going to meet 90% of peoples daily requirements from a vehicle. Then theres the whole infrastructure issue in relation to charging points. Lets face it you'd drain the batteries just getting to the nearest charging point to charge up!

If you were looking to dip your toe into a greener way of getting around hybrids are probably the more sensible way to go. Toyota are leading the way there but again range in electric is poor enough and you would have to keep an eye on how economical the vehicle is off electric. Take the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for example, 24 mile/38km range in electric mode and that's if you drive like Miss Daizy. If you drive hard or run out of electric it switches to its 2.4L petrol engine which is a guzzler! The lifespan of the battery cells altough being a hybrid it wouldn't have the same amount of battery power as full electric so not a costly to change the cells. They would also have a 10 year life span if they even last that long which has to cause further depreciation in value when trading up. I would be very surprised if you didn't have a very noticable reduction in range on electric within 4/5 years of the cells life if not well before that.

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock


"Electric cars havent got anywhere near where they need to be to suit most car users requirements. The range of vehicle types to suit consumers needs is not there yet the same as the range you get between charges and how conservatively you have to drive to achieve claimed manufactures range.

Then you have the problem of the battery cells, they are I believe a third of the cost of an electric vehicle and only have a 10 year life span so this has to seriously effect resale value even on a 1 owner vehicle trading in after a 4 year finance agreement. Worse if you bought a 4 year old electric car and by the time your ready to trade up it's worth nothing as it is almost due new battery cells. Do electric cars only have a life span of 10 years? Because if you had an accident in a fossil fuel car and the repair cost was a third or more of the cars "market value" it would be written off.

Electric cars aren't cheap and unless you can afford a Tesla they are not really going to meet 90% of peoples daily requirements from a vehicle. Then theres the whole infrastructure issue in relation to charging points. Lets face it you'd drain the batteries just getting to the nearest charging point to charge up!

If you were looking to dip your toe into a greener way of getting around hybrids are probably the more sensible way to go. Toyota are leading the way there but again range in electric is poor enough and you would have to keep an eye on how economical the vehicle is off electric. Take the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for example, 24 mile/38km range in electric mode and that's if you drive like Miss Daizy. If you drive hard or run out of electric it switches to its 2.4L petrol engine which is a guzzler! The lifespan of the battery cells altough being a hybrid it wouldn't have the same amount of battery power as full electric so not a costly to change the cells. They would also have a 10 year life span if they even last that long which has to cause further depreciation in value when trading up. I would be very surprised if you didn't have a very noticable reduction in range on electric within 4/5 years of the cells life if not well before that.

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Respectfully disagree. My battery now is LG chemically cooled. Battery should outlast the car itself. plus as capasity goes up manufacturing comes down. by the time my car may need a new one well... should be cheap. plus have the 7 year warrenty. They hold value exceptionally well. The old leafs and current ones i think are passivly cooled and heat will degrade them overtime. Leafspy which i used to give me a reading on battery health showed i was 91% good after 4 years. the newer batteries do better.

My range in new car was listed as 442km in summer i get 450 in winter 400 at a push but again thats normal driving if i hammer it i will lose range just like dino juice car. My commute is 70 km round trip each day and im always starting full as i plug in at home.

I will admit i was as skeptic and only got a leaf because the charge points were free. They are not not in ROI but im converted.

As for hybrids the only ones people should even consider are PHEVs not the "self charging" thing toyota spin out because they are terrible in many ways.

While battery is not a worry for me people should keep eye out for NIO that will be coming out next year here. They do battery as a service. Basically it looks like big car wash you drive in takes 4 minutes and swaps out your battery will full one and that id say is the way forward and will be seeing a lot more of that.

As for me having being the one who actually owns and EV i'm delighted to have it and wouldnt go back

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By *anFromMarsMan
over a year ago

North


"Electric cars havent got anywhere near where they need to be to suit most car users requirements. The range of vehicle types to suit consumers needs is not there yet the same as the range you get between charges and how conservatively you have to drive to achieve claimed manufactures range.

Then you have the problem of the battery cells, they are I believe a third of the cost of an electric vehicle and only have a 10 year life span so this has to seriously effect resale value even on a 1 owner vehicle trading in after a 4 year finance agreement. Worse if you bought a 4 year old electric car and by the time your ready to trade up it's worth nothing as it is almost due new battery cells. Do electric cars only have a life span of 10 years? Because if you had an accident in a fossil fuel car and the repair cost was a third or more of the cars "market value" it would be written off.

Electric cars aren't cheap and unless you can afford a Tesla they are not really going to meet 90% of peoples daily requirements from a vehicle. Then theres the whole infrastructure issue in relation to charging points. Lets face it you'd drain the batteries just getting to the nearest charging point to charge up!

If you were looking to dip your toe into a greener way of getting around hybrids are probably the more sensible way to go. Toyota are leading the way there but again range in electric is poor enough and you would have to keep an eye on how economical the vehicle is off electric. Take the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for example, 24 mile/38km range in electric mode and that's if you drive like Miss Daizy. If you drive hard or run out of electric it switches to its 2.4L petrol engine which is a guzzler! The lifespan of the battery cells altough being a hybrid it wouldn't have the same amount of battery power as full electric so not a costly to change the cells. They would also have a 10 year life span if they even last that long which has to cause further depreciation in value when trading up. I would be very surprised if you didn't have a very noticable reduction in range on electric within 4/5 years of the cells life if not well before that.

Respectfully disagree. My battery now is LG chemically cooled. Battery should outlast the car itself. plus as capasity goes up manufacturing comes down. by the time my car may need a new one well... should be cheap. plus have the 7 year warrenty. They hold value exceptionally well. The old leafs and current ones i think are passivly cooled and heat will degrade them overtime. Leafspy which i used to give me a reading on battery health showed i was 91% good after 4 years. the newer batteries do better.

My range in new car was listed as 442km in summer i get 450 in winter 400 at a push but again thats normal driving if i hammer it i will lose range just like dino juice car. My commute is 70 km round trip each day and im always starting full as i plug in at home.

I will admit i was as skeptic and only got a leaf because the charge points were free. They are not not in ROI but im converted.

As for hybrids the only ones people should even consider are PHEVs not the "self charging" thing toyota spin out because they are terrible in many ways.

While battery is not a worry for me people should keep eye out for NIO that will be coming out next year here. They do battery as a service. Basically it looks like big car wash you drive in takes 4 minutes and swaps out your battery will full one and that id say is the way forward and will be seeing a lot more of that.

As for me having being the one who actually owns and EV i'm delighted to have it and wouldnt go back "

Sounds like your 1 happy customer for sure, hopfully the batteries and ranges are getting there in newer models only time will tell I guess. There is still the issue of vehicle options and affordability. A family hatch like the leafe won't suit everyone's needs there are people that require bigger vehicles, the option of 7 seats and a decent boot. Those options aren't there yet but with time hopfully wide range of reliable electric vehicles and nationwide infrastructure to support them will be in place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sooner people realise that most hybrids don't work if you live in the country problem is most have big petrol engines and if you go about 60 kph the petrol engine kicks in and you are basically driving around in a 2.5l petrol car

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By *omripleyMan
over a year ago

blackrock


"The sooner people realise that most hybrids don't work if you live in the country problem is most have big petrol engines and if you go about 60 kph the petrol engine kicks in and you are basically driving around in a 2.5l petrol car "

correct except that its 30kph when the petrol kicks in and then that also recharges the battery burning more fuel and i think the range is pretty terrible something like 6km if you stay under 30kph matbe okay for traffic jam.

but the plug in ones will run at any speed till battery is dead and then go to petrol. i think they have maybe 60km range on pure electric.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth


"The sooner people realise that most hybrids don't work if you live in the country problem is most have big petrol engines and if you go about 60 kph the petrol engine kicks in and you are basically driving around in a 2.5l petrol car "

You get 45mpg from a rav 4 2.5 hybrid which is great.. A straight petrol would struggle to get 25.. The petrol engines used in hybrids are tuned down deliberately to save fuel so its not true to say that

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I'm waiting for the hydrogen hybrids to become more mainstream before I switch from diesel

Have you looked into it...any idea when it will happen "

Toyota have a few cars testing in Ireland this year.

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