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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Do you believe in the afterlife ?

On a scale of 1 to 100 where 100 represents all confidence and no doubt and 0 represents all doubt and no confidence where do you find yourself on that scale ?

What is the reason for the x level of confidence stated ?

How did you conclude that reason is a good/accurate method for justifiying x level of confidence ?

If you didn't have those reasons would your confidence level change ?

If confidence is of a very high level but also you acknowledge it cannot be reasonably tested objectively is a very high level of belief the best place to be on a confidence scale ?

If there was a method of proving that for certain there is no afterlife would you want to and/or what would it take to change your mind ?

Would it matter who the information was coming from if it was disproving your belief system ?

These questions I've focused on the afterlife but could apply to many ideas and concepts.

I think it's healthy to challenge our own belief systems and the validity of how we justify the reasons nehind such beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a zero. There is no afterlife. We die, we go in the ground, and we decompose. I think it's a concept that arose because people can't bear the thought that this is it, and there's nothing else once our time here comes to an end. It's been a handy tool for religion too...follow this doctrine and look what you can have. Believe and you can live forever. It's a pretty big tasty carrot. I think the afterlife is smoke and mirrors bolstered by hope and fear. However if people find solace in their belief of the hereafter and that belief gives them comfort, I've no issue or quarrel with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I meditate a lot and through meditation I have seen things which lead me to believe there is indeed life after. I believe in reincarnation personally.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I meditate a lot and through meditation I have seen things which lead me to believe there is indeed life after. I believe in reincarnation personally. "

Out of curiosity ...would you mind applying your perspective to each of the questions asked ?

I meditate myself and have never come to the same conclusions .

I'm wondering if I am missing out on an objective truth that I have totally failed to grasp through the same lens you use to come to your belief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry hun but it would take forever for me to explain why I have come to my conclusion, mmy whole reason for meditation was in response to many puzzles in my own existance, I sought answers through the medium of meditation trying to piece together pieces of a puzzle only relevant to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sorry hun but it would take forever for me to explain why I have come to my conclusion, mmy whole reason for meditation was in response to many puzzles in my own existance, I sought answers through the medium of meditation trying to piece together pieces of a puzzle only relevant to me. "

Gair enough

May I ask is it comforting to have that belief and do you think that if it is that the comfort plays a part in the weight of the confidence of the belief ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not so much comforting as it's more like personal proof of things which makes me more mindful of how I interact with people on a day to day basis. I will add that this belief has been achieved after a long spell studying theology, amongst other things, in my quest for answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a zero. There is no afterlife. We die, we go in the ground, and we decompose. I think it's a concept that arose because people can't bear the thought that this is it, and there's nothing else once our time here comes to an end. It's been a handy tool for religion too...follow this doctrine and look what you can have. Believe and you can live forever. It's a pretty big tasty carrot. I think the afterlife is smoke and mirrors bolstered by hope and fear. However if people find solace in their belief of the hereafter and that belief gives them comfort, I've no issue or quarrel with that.

"

This pretty much sums up my take on it, except I would throw in narcissism as one of the reasons humans quest so desperately after the concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well l do think theres something on the other side whatever it may be or in whatever form each to their own etc etc..if someone doesnt think there is thats their opinion and if they think there is thats also their opinion but whatever way people think l certainly wont be bursting their bubble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be down the middle on this. I want there to be something but if there isn't then it's not the end of the world for me...oh wait... Na but I dont really have a reason to believe theres something and theres no real proof that there isn't. I wouldn't be religious at all and believe that if there was an afterlife that I have to follow a set of rules in a book. Would it change my being if I know 100% that there was or wasn't an afterlife? I dunno, my everyday actions are usually done out of necessity rather than with bad intentions so I dont think so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be down the middle on this. I want there to be something but if there isn't then it's not the end of the world for me...oh wait... Na but I dont really have a reason to believe theres something and theres no real proof that there isn't. I wouldn't be religious at all and believe that if there was an afterlife that I have to follow a set of rules in a book. Would it change my being if I know 100% that there was or wasn't an afterlife? I dunno, my everyday actions are usually done out of necessity rather than with bad intentions so I dont think so. "

It's the certainty that death will be the end that gets me out of bed every morning

"This life is more than just a read-through"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be down the middle on this. I want there to be something but if there isn't then it's not the end of the world for me...oh wait... Na but I dont really have a reason to believe theres something and theres no real proof that there isn't. I wouldn't be religious at all and believe that if there was an afterlife that I have to follow a set of rules in a book. Would it change my being if I know 100% that there was or wasn't an afterlife? I dunno, my everyday actions are usually done out of necessity rather than with bad intentions so I dont think so.

It's the certainty that death will be the end that gets me out of bed every morning

"This life is more than just a read-through""

Life is like a never ending work shift at times alright.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I don't believe in an afterlife and like others think its used as a carrot to keep those that believe in a religion in check

I resigned from the catholic church about 15 yrs ago and had my baptism revoked but if I'm wrong its not as if I could come back and tell anyone is it

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego.

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By *ohng69Man
over a year ago

athenry


"I'm a zero. There is no afterlife. We die, we go in the ground, and we decompose. I think it's a concept that arose because people can't bear the thought that this is it, and there's nothing else once our time here comes to an end. It's been a handy tool for religion too...follow this doctrine and look what you can have. Believe and you can live forever. It's a pretty big tasty carrot. I think the afterlife is smoke and mirrors bolstered by hope and fear. However if people find solace in their belief of the hereafter and that belief gives them comfort, I've no issue or quarrel with that.

"
I feel the same

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego."

I have the same views as regarda individual consciousness being connected to a universal consciousness and as you mention we are examples of the universe coming to know itself. On a cosmic scale our lives are just the blink of an eye with a glimpse of the universe and we are lucky to live at a time of incredible scientific progression with regard to understanding the "how" questions of the universe. The more those questions are answered the less people will be concerned with the why as the supernatural explanations recede into an ever decreasing space of ignorance .

I like how you've articulated your ideas and gives me something to think about with how I internalise the topic.

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a scale of 1-100 Kaizer would have to say ZERO!

When you're dead you're dead..... So make the most of life iko

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego.

I have the same views as regarda individual consciousness being connected to a universal consciousness and as you mention we are examples of the universe coming to know itself. On a cosmic scale our lives are just the blink of an eye with a glimpse of the universe and we are lucky to live at a time of incredible scientific progression with regard to understanding the "how" questions of the universe. The more those questions are answered the less people will be concerned with the why as the supernatural explanations recede into an ever decreasing space of ignorance .

I like how you've articulated your ideas and gives me something to think about with how I internalise the topic.

Thank you"

I think about this stuff all the time and always ask myself if whatever theories I come up with can jive with current scientific knowledge. If it can't then I discard the idea.

I think it's good to think and discuss these things but it's also important not to get carried away and disregard science

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego.

I have the same views as regarda individual consciousness being connected to a universal consciousness and as you mention we are examples of the universe coming to know itself. On a cosmic scale our lives are just the blink of an eye with a glimpse of the universe and we are lucky to live at a time of incredible scientific progression with regard to understanding the "how" questions of the universe. The more those questions are answered the less people will be concerned with the why as the supernatural explanations recede into an ever decreasing space of ignorance .

I like how you've articulated your ideas and gives me something to think about with how I internalise the topic.

Thank you

I think about this stuff all the time and always ask myself if whatever theories I come up with can jive with current scientific knowledge. If it can't then I discard the idea.

I think it's good to think and discuss these things but it's also important not to get carried away and disregard science "

Have you ever come across any og the guys that do Street Epistemology on youtube ? There's some fantastic conversations that follow very similar question formats as I put forth at the start. Two in particular are Anthony Magnabosco and cordial curiosity both have some fascinating discussions on the platform.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego.

I have the same views as regarda individual consciousness being connected to a universal consciousness and as you mention we are examples of the universe coming to know itself. On a cosmic scale our lives are just the blink of an eye with a glimpse of the universe and we are lucky to live at a time of incredible scientific progression with regard to understanding the "how" questions of the universe. The more those questions are answered the less people will be concerned with the why as the supernatural explanations recede into an ever decreasing space of ignorance .

I like how you've articulated your ideas and gives me something to think about with how I internalise the topic.

Thank you

I think about this stuff all the time and always ask myself if whatever theories I come up with can jive with current scientific knowledge. If it can't then I discard the idea.

I think it's good to think and discuss these things but it's also important not to get carried away and disregard science

Have you ever come across any og the guys that do Street Epistemology on youtube ? There's some fantastic conversations that follow very similar question formats as I put forth at the start. Two in particular are Anthony Magnabosco and cordial curiosity both have some fascinating discussions on the platform. "

No never seen that. I'll look it up though.

If you ever get time you should have a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-GtvsyrxvM

A guru and a scientist discussing many topics including the one in this thread. No arrogance, just two people from two very different backgrounds discussing interesting topics and most importantly, respecting each other.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

Oh my, a complex topic . If the definition of afterlife is the entry as an individual into sort of heaven , Walhalla , Hades - then our scale tends to zero .

However even tho there is no afterlife as defined in religious dogma , the circle of life is a circle . It doesn’t need the conscious return of a soul which passed away . If we define the soul as energy , which is incorporated into our bodies for the human lifetime , one could think that this energy will be released with the dead of the body . This energy may be absorbed by the cosmic energy that is root for all matter in our universe . I imagine it like body being a computer ( which it actually is) and dead is comparable that all information ( memories feelings, association chains etc) get wiped off the hard disk ( body) and transferred back to the energy pool . This merged energy quantity may never return its final shape before absorption , however every new life gets a new dose of this energy in order to be alive and traces or fractions of information from a prior life could theoretically enter a new life . Well it’s a very esotheric and theosophical consideration . But it serves perfectly to keep ones brain busy in times of boredom

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh my, a complex topic . If the definition of afterlife is the entry as an individual into sort of heaven , Walhalla , Hades - then our scale tends to zero .

However even tho there is no afterlife as defined in religious dogma , the circle of life is a circle . It doesn’t need the conscious return of a soul which passed away . If we define the soul as energy , which is incorporated into our bodies for the human lifetime , one could think that this energy will be released with the dead of the body . This energy may be absorbed by the cosmic energy that is root for all matter in our universe . I imagine it like body being a computer ( which it actually is) and dead is comparable that all information ( memories feelings, association chains etc) get wiped off the hard disk ( body) and transferred back to the energy pool . This merged energy quantity may never return its final shape before absorption , however every new life gets a new dose of this energy in order to be alive and traces or fractions of information from a prior life could theoretically enter a new life . Well it’s a very esotheric and theosophical consideration . But it serves perfectly to keep ones brain busy in times of boredom "

Thank you for your own well articulated response that has a context to it that is also worth considering and the framing of what is indeed an afterlife. I left the topic relatively vague in the hope people would take their own stance on it and thank you for some thought provoking content and you are right

It reminds me of Neil DeGrasse Tyson saying he wants to be buried so flora and fauna may dine upon his dead body so the energy contained may be recirculated through other forms of life and back into a providing for life in this way. It isn't a regeneration of consciousness from the dead body but the universe using death as a means to prop up life much like we do with dead animals/plants etc. There is indeed food for thought in your comments.

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is deep conversation for a Tuesday lol! I do believe.... Based in my hopes that (I'm a paeds nurse) that the little ones I've nursed and loved during their short lives - many with no quality of life on earth - have a chance at a happy pain free, unlimited by medical conditions life. Idealistic but it helps me sleep at night.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Where I am at the moment is that I'm just a specific point of view of the universe gathering information.

We are tools for the universe to know, experience and try to understand itself. The more we learn, the more the universe knows about itself.

It's like our individual consciousnesses are connected to a universal consciousness which will always be there, so therefore we will be forever part of something bigger but when my lights go out I'm gone for good.

The universal consciousness, which I'm part of, will continue on without my input.

So no, I don't believe I, as an individual will get an afterlife, it's more that I am forever part of something much bigger than my ego.

I have the same views as regarda individual consciousness being connected to a universal consciousness and as you mention we are examples of the universe coming to know itself. On a cosmic scale our lives are just the blink of an eye with a glimpse of the universe and we are lucky to live at a time of incredible scientific progression with regard to understanding the "how" questions of the universe. The more those questions are answered the less people will be concerned with the why as the supernatural explanations recede into an ever decreasing space of ignorance .

I like how you've articulated your ideas and gives me something to think about with how I internalise the topic.

Thank you

I think about this stuff all the time and always ask myself if whatever theories I come up with can jive with current scientific knowledge. If it can't then I discard the idea.

I think it's good to think and discuss these things but it's also important not to get carried away and disregard science

Have you ever come across any og the guys that do Street Epistemology on youtube ? There's some fantastic conversations that follow very similar question formats as I put forth at the start. Two in particular are Anthony Magnabosco and cordial curiosity both have some fascinating discussions on the platform.

No never seen that. I'll look it up though.

If you ever get time you should have a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-GtvsyrxvM

A guru and a scientist discussing many topics including the one in this thread. No arrogance, just two people from two very different backgrounds discussing interesting topics and most importantly, respecting each other."

Thank you for the conversation recommendation. It looks lengthy and deserving of dedicated attention to get the most of it . I'll definitely give it a listen .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While the Christian God's promise of eternal life is persuasive, the Papua New Guinean mud God Pikkiwoki, offers a whole pig, and as many coconuts as I can carry. So I'm gonna have to wager all my bets on him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope none at all unfortunately so that's why you need to grab life with both hands and enjoy it as much as you can . It's a one way trip but you can make it a fun one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope none at all unfortunately so that's why you need to grab life with both hands and enjoy it as much as you can . It's a one way trip but you can make it a fun one "

You could say, that you are just... Bidon your time here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if this IS our afterlife?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take comfort in not knowing.

We literally have no concept of like after death. The belief that things just die or go on forever is odd.

We can't imagine a new colour, how could we possibly imagine the after life.

We literally have no clue. Completely alien to us that even if it was explained we couldn't fathom it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well ..whenever my time comes that l depart this life my motto is the ol' line from AC/DC's HIGHWAY TO HELL..." MY FRIENDS ARE GONNA BE THERE TOO "...that l will meet up with them again in some form or another...

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By *igglesMan
over a year ago

Dublin

matter is neither created nor destroyed, just changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally believe in it.. Reincarnation hell yeaaaa.. I believe in it so much that in my will I have left everything to myself..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well ..whenever my time comes that l depart this life my motto is the ol' line from AC/DC's HIGHWAY TO HELL..." MY FRIENDS ARE GONNA BE THERE TOO "...that l will meet up with them again in some form or another... "
. Well you have the songs,, Highway to hell,, and stairway to heaven.. Just shows which route they anticipate the most traffic..

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth


"Do you believe in the afterlife ?

On a scale of 1 to 100 where 100 represents all confidence and no doubt and 0 represents all doubt and no confidence where do you find yourself on that scale ?

What is the reason for the x level of confidence stated ?

How did you conclude that reason is a good/accurate method for justifiying x level of confidence ?

If you didn't have those reasons would your confidence level change ?

If confidence is of a very high level but also you acknowledge it cannot be reasonably tested objectively is a very high level of belief the best place to be on a confidence scale ?

If there was a method of proving that for certain there is no afterlife would you want to and/or what would it take to change your mind ?

Would it matter who the information was coming from if it was disproving your belief system ?

These questions I've focused on the afterlife but could apply to many ideas and concepts.

I think it's healthy to challenge our own belief systems and the validity of how we justify the reasons nehind such beliefs."

You think too much

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Do you believe in the afterlife ?

On a scale of 1 to 100 where 100 represents all confidence and no doubt and 0 represents all doubt and no confidence where do you find yourself on that scale ?

What is the reason for the x level of confidence stated ?

How did you conclude that reason is a good/accurate method for justifiying x level of confidence ?

If you didn't have those reasons would your confidence level change ?

If confidence is of a very high level but also you acknowledge it cannot be reasonably tested objectively is a very high level of belief the best place to be on a confidence scale ?

If there was a method of proving that for certain there is no afterlife would you want to and/or what would it take to change your mind ?

Would it matter who the information was coming from if it was disproving your belief system ?

These questions I've focused on the afterlife but could apply to many ideas and concepts.

I think it's healthy to challenge our own belief systems and the validity of how we justify the reasons nehind such beliefs.

You think too much "

You say that like it's a bad thing

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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You think too much "

It's not that I think too much , it's that I think too much for you .

I try my best to have an educated view on what is objectice . I try my best to see nuance where it exists and to self correct when I need to .

I try to use my critical thinking skills to combat my own biases to challenge myself . You're the perfect example and by no means the only one of the complete opposite to how I perceive the world . If that suits you then off with you but you're destined for a life of ignorance in your own echo chamber .

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

OP have you ever listened to Alan Watts?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP have you ever listened to Alan Watts?"

Yes. I love his content. Love his tone.

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"OP have you ever listened to Alan Watts?

Yes. I love his content. Love his tone. "

Many a night I go to sleep with him on in the background.

He's so calming

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

I believed in reincarnation as a child and used to talk about it in Religion class I suppose I always had the feeling that I'd been around before and even had a sense of deja-vous when I made initial eye contact with a few people in my life

Yes, I do believe that we go somewhere after our time here on this earth in through and it's somewhere good On this topic, everyone has an equal opinion on whether there's an after life or not but if it gives comfort to someone to know that there's a loving afterlife or not, I'm not going to argue with them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe we are all reincarnated as entropy.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

city

I am god...

So are you....

If there is no after-life, there was no before-life.

If I knew where the edge of the universe is, I could probably give a more succinct answer to your question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Used to think there might be and had a few what I would call nudges from the ether over the years which made me think there might be more but sadly now I don't anymore. I know a good few who do and that's fine but for me-Nope!

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

Devils advocate here. If the afterlife and God are not physical then it's all in your minds. It's not real, kapeesh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here. If the afterlife and God are not physical then it's all in your minds. It's not real, kapeesh!

"

Fact

Capisce

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devils advocate here. If the afterlife and God are not physical then it's all in your minds. It's not real, kapeesh!

"

If God's not real, then the devil cant be exist, therefore your devils advocate must be is false: therefore God is real!

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY


"Devils advocate here. If the afterlife and God are not physical then it's all in your minds. It's not real, kapeesh!

If God's not real, then the devil cant be exist, therefore your devils advocate must be is false: therefore God is real! "

God or the devil are both figments of your imagination, if they were real, I'd have my money on the devil as God is making a shit job of being in charge, so far! Let's be honest, god's school report probably reads, "must do better. He's capable of producing much better work than what's been done up until now" . Detention sounds better that praise!

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By *iamo69Man
over a year ago

South

As a man once said to me many years ago. If you belive the story of jeasus.. The appostils where mark luke and John

Now go over that side of the world where all this was Ment to take place and find me one person from there with an English name like that.

And if the bible is gods word how priests and the pope live.. How come they can change it when they feel like it to try fit in with today's world.. Condoms.. Women priests.. Etc.. Did God come down for an updated version.. Case closed ??????

Think he's right tho

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

I want to be reincarnated as an ostrich so I can stick my head in the sand... Ooh woops I do that anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't believe in an afterlife and like others think its used as a carrot to keep those that believe in a religion in check

I resigned from the catholic church about 15 yrs ago and had my baptism revoked but if I'm wrong its not as if I could come back and tell anyone is it "

Very interested i didn't know one could revoke.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere


"I don't believe in an afterlife and like others think its used as a carrot to keep those that believe in a religion in check

I resigned from the catholic church about 15 yrs ago and had my baptism revoked but if I'm wrong its not as if I could come back and tell anyone is it

Very interested i didn't know one could revoke. "

There was a specific website set up called countmeout.org

It was set up to follow the correct procedures that the church used to allow it to happen

A few weeks after filling in the information a letter arrived in from The Archbishop of Dublin to confirm the details and then another few weeks later a confirmation letter.

It also gave me a copy of my cancelled baptism cert and the official register in the church has my name crossed out

They got overwhelmed by people at the time so in the end the church stopped allowing it so not even sure if it can be done anymore

A few years ago when the pope was here I had to help guard him and there's a picture of me with him that I show to my mother all the time saying I have a friend that will get me into heaven if It exists

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By *eisurepleasureMan
over a year ago

belfast

I used to watch John Edward

His shows would give you faith in an afterlife

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY


"I used to watch John Edward

His shows would give you faith in an afterlife"

That old chestnut "faith". My BS meter is off the scale. Faith or logic, I know what I'll believe!

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Devils advocate here. If the afterlife and God are not physical then it's all in your minds. It's not real, kapeesh!

"

Ah, but one could argue that reality itself is created in our minds.

Light can't exist without eyes to see it just as sound can't exist without ears to hear it. It's just energy we take in and our brains interpret.

When you look out into the world, the image you see is in the back of your head, not out in front of you.

Everything you experience in life, sights, sounds, emotions, touch etc. are all created inside your head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do believe as i have had personal spiritual awakening and had a higher power and spirit visit me . Everyone to their own beliefs. I was brought up Catholic but now found a god of my own understanding. Really i'm on a journey finding this new spiritual me . So I would say 99.9% confidence "for me" and if the "proof" you talk about ever arises i would still believe "for me" not for anyone else and their findings or what ever. There was other questions but i can't remember them will probably get to get to them . Interesting post OP.

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY

If anyone would rate god's success against his (him, depends on what you believe) failures, his resume would be a disgrace. Sent his son in 0 and hasn't bothered to check on us since, not the kind of figure I'd worship.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If anyone would rate god's success against his (him, depends on what you believe) failures, his resume would be a disgrace. Sent his son in 0 and hasn't bothered to check on us since, not the kind of figure I'd worship."

George Carlin has a fantastic piece on religion where he touches on what you are talking about. If you haven't seen it I'd suggest checking it out. You'll be in stitches

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By *he James gangCouple
over a year ago

NEWTOWNABBEY


"If anyone would rate god's success against his (him, depends on what you believe) failures, his resume would be a disgrace. Sent his son in 0 and hasn't bothered to check on us since, not the kind of figure I'd worship.

George Carlin has a fantastic piece on religion where he touches on what you are talking about. If you haven't seen it I'd suggest checking it out. You'll be in stitches "

Oh I've watched him, brilliant!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute 0, no need or reason to find comfort or understanding in believing there's an afterlife. Nothing points towards it really

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia

There is no evedince for an after life outside of personal experience, which isn't evidence, the human mind is an unreliable witness.

A lot of people say "well we are energy and energy is eternal, and while it's true that energy is eternal, you are not energy, you are information driven by energy, and the information that is you resides in the structures of your brain, at point of death that I formation ceases to exist as the trustures of your brain break down. The electrical energy in your body dissipates as heat and chemical energy

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By *iamo69Man
over a year ago

South


"There is no evedince for an after life outside of personal experience, which isn't evidence, the human mind is an unreliable witness.

A lot of people say "well we are energy and energy is eternal, and while it's true that energy is eternal, you are not energy, you are information driven by energy, and the information that is you resides in the structures of your brain, at point of death that I formation ceases to exist as the trustures of your brain break down. The electrical energy in your body dissipates as heat and chemical energy"

This is gold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope to come back as a butterfly

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By *cottybear74Man
over a year ago

kilkenny


"I hope to come back as a butterfly "

What kind

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere


"There is no evedince for an after life outside of personal experience, which isn't evidence, the human mind is an unreliable witness.

A lot of people say "well we are energy and energy is eternal, and while it's true that energy is eternal, you are not energy, you are information driven by energy, and the information that is you resides in the structures of your brain, at point of death that I formation ceases to exist as the trustures of your brain break down. The electrical energy in your body dissipates as heat and chemical energy"

Even I understand this...very well written

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is no evedince for an after life outside of personal experience, which isn't evidence, the human mind is an unreliable witness.

A lot of people say "well we are energy and energy is eternal, and while it's true that energy is eternal, you are not energy, you are information driven by energy, and the information that is you resides in the structures of your brain, at point of death that I formation ceases to exist as the trustures of your brain break down. The electrical energy in your body dissipates as heat and chemical energy

Even I understand this...very well written "

All this energy talk is draining me lol, i need get moving right now much better for me than being here over thinking these energies. I must say very interesting though love this thread.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope to come back as a butterfly

What kind"

The red admiral

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By *cottybear74Man
over a year ago

kilkenny


"I hope to come back as a butterfly

What kind

The red admiral "

Was thinking you'd pick that or a monarch

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