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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat." This. If that's your USP then go for it if there's a market out there but I prefer to chat to people, not taglines. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat. This. If that's your USP then go for it if there's a market out there but I prefer to chat to people, not taglines. " Have to agree  | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat." Why? | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? " For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boat | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boat" The idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate."What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this. If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate."I'm not insecure or in the least bit jealous and there's nothing wrong with telling someone they are hot. The issue with the term hotwive though is that it's usually the person themselves feeling the need to tell everyone else. That's where the subjectivity comes in. | |||
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"Thats harsh. I think the idea in a hotwife is its the HUBBY who sees her as hot, and enjoyed seeing his hot girl getting fucked. Either way I wouldnt blame anyone for thinking their partners, or their own, body is hot. Its healthy to have body confidence" Absolutely, but expecting everyone else to think the same is insecure. | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ? "Some clearly do. You’re on a swing site you could have worked this out with ten seconds of contemplation. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels."its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels.its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs
If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra"There are indeed lots of people who seem to need the validation of thinking they have a car everyone must want. Nice objectification btw | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels.its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs
If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra
There are indeed lots of people who seem to need the validation of thinking they have a car everyone must want. Nice objectification btw"thats not what i said.. people wanna drive a ford mustang because its a beautiful car not just for the image. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels.its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs
If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra
There are indeed lots of people who seem to need the validation of thinking they have a car everyone must want. Nice objectification btwthats not what i said.. people wanna drive a ford mustang because its a beautiful car not just for the image.
"Right, and because you think a ford mustang is beautiful, it follows that everyone else does to. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels.its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs
If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra
There are indeed lots of people who seem to need the validation of thinking they have a car everyone must want. Nice objectification btwthats not what i said.. people wanna drive a ford mustang because its a beautiful car not just for the image.
Right, and because you think a ford mustang is beautiful, it follows that everyone else does to. "its universally accepted by most people as a beautiful car. Like the way the great barrier brief and not the slums of mumbai are regarded as a beautiful place. | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate.
What's hot is always subjective, people who aren't insecure don't insist on universal agreement of this.
If it's your thing, knock yourself out. I don't see the appeal of labels.its not though.. if it was we would all want to drive nissan micras and not ferraris or ford mustangs
If even there is the minority that might prefer a micra
There are indeed lots of people who seem to need the validation of thinking they have a car everyone must want. Nice objectification btwthats not what i said.. people wanna drive a ford mustang because its a beautiful car not just for the image.
Right, and because you think a ford mustang is beautiful, it follows that everyone else does to. its universally accepted by most people as a beautiful car.
Like the way the great barrier brief and not the slums of mumbai are regarded as a beautiful place.
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"Why is it that there's always disagreements to over terminology on here." No there isn't | |||
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"Hot wives come in all shapes and sizes . Hot women come in all shapes and sizes. Some like the term and some don't . As do hot men come in all shapes and sizes. " Would the equivalent not be hot husband? And is there such a thing?  | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "I can't answer this as I don't really know but I've deliberately never chatted to anyone on fab who has the term on their profile because it tells me that any potential meet is going to be all about her and that's not something I've any interest in. It could be an alpha male choosing and dictating or it could be that she is fully in control and he is playing his part in the scenario but regardless if it's not mutual it's not for me. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "I'm fairly sure it's possible to be a wife and not be controlled by someone else. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "Sweeping generalisation there. There are as many hotwife dynamics are there are hotwives. In some the wife is sub, in others the hubby is sub. Regardless of the dynamic, if everyone is happy then great. If a submissive wife is happy for her dom hubby to take control then what's the issue? | |||
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"Hot wives come in all shapes and sizes . Hot women come in all shapes and sizes. Some like the term and some don't . As do hot men come in all shapes and sizes. Would the equivalent not be hot husband? And is there such a thing? "There is as I'm looking across at mine now | |||
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"The labels on fab do our head in because everyone has their own interpretation. We use the "hotwife" label to narrow down the type of meets we like when meeting a single guy. Maybe just to differentiate from the cuckold scenario?? Prior to calling it out on our profile we got a lot of mail from so called "bulls" looking to "dominate" the meet." The word "bull" on guys profile is an instant no for us, its kinda cringe to be honest | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "While we are not in the hotwife/husband category we have many friends here who are. I can't categorically say not one husband we know in such relationship control who or what his partner does. The idea of a hot wife from our understanding and from face to face conversations with such couples is that both get equal pleasure from the direction they take. To simply the conversation we had, the wife chooses and asks if the husband is okay with her choice, does he trust the guy. Does he agree with the location and limits set for the meet. I think what you are describing would be more akin to an abusive relationship and certainly not a hot wife scenario in its generally accepted meaning. Sub/Dom relationship's are completely different to hot wife and willing Sub/Dom is also worlds apart from abusive relationship. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs
While we are not in the hotwife/husband category we have many friends here who are. I can't categorically say not one husband we know in such relationship control who or what his partner does. The idea of a hot wife from our understanding and from face to face conversations with such couples is that both get equal pleasure from the direction they take. To simply the conversation we had, the wife chooses and asks if the husband is okay with her choice, does he trust the guy. Does he agree with the location and limits set for the meet.
I think what you are describing would be more akin to an abusive relationship and certainly not a hot wife scenario in its generally accepted meaning.
Sub/Dom relationship's are completely different to hot wife and willing Sub/Dom is also worlds apart from abusive relationship. " | |||
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"Instead of using labels which are open to misinterpretation, why not just specify what you like in your profile?" This. Being able to communicate concisely means avoiding ambiguous terms | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat. This. If that's your USP then go for it if there's a market out there but I prefer to chat to people, not taglines. " Interested in knowing what you consider a tagline and what falls under descriptive information. After all most here would look at a profile with no info as bland or uninteresting. Personally I would think it's nice to see what people like in some minor detail on their profile. Rather than striking up conversation and then having to bale because you very quickly find out you aren't compatible | |||
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"I dont think 'hotwife' necessarily says anything about power dynamics. Also D/s doesnt mean the sub doesnt hold the power." Yes you are correct but it is in a large way part of the scenario or roleplay. Just another example of a healthy kink when both have equal say in the direction it takes | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat. This. If that's your USP then go for it if there's a market out there but I prefer to chat to people, not taglines. Interested in knowing what you consider a tagline and what falls under descriptive information. After all most here would look at a profile with no info as bland or uninteresting. Personally I would think it's nice to see what people like in some minor detail on their profile. Rather than striking up conversation and then having to bale because you very quickly find out you aren't compatible" Hence why I said what I did in my last post above. A tagline is anything that a specific profile wants to describe themselves as. A name badge almost but if that is their only USP and is in their profile title or mentioned numerous times in their bio I'll move on. I agree with you that in that way I know in advance we won't be compatible but then again I don't like ticking boxes and much prefer someone who is open to mutual exploration more than just their own. | |||
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"Im a wife and im currently boiling at the minute wrapped up in a duvet does that count?" Your cooking | |||
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"Hotwife seems to cover everything from cuckold to stag/vixen, where the dynamic is a couple inviting a single guy to play. Personally we feel stag/vixen describes us best, we are equals, neither sub nor dom a(lthough we occasionally dip into that world) we just like to fuck.. "Lol I think your last line covers us. Depending on how much sleep we have had the night before we could be any of the above | |||
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"Hotwife seems to cover everything from cuckold to stag/vixen, where the dynamic is a couple inviting a single guy to play. Personally we feel stag/vixen describes us best, we are equals, neither sub nor dom a(lthough we occasionally dip into that world) we just like to fuck.. "Nice sentiment.. I don’t have a problem with the tag Hotwife.. thought it was hot.. but again I think like any label it can be seen as a positive or as a negative.. I like using it with a woman that likes the term.. to me it just means she owns her sexuality and if it happens to describe that she’s married and attractive.. what’s the harm.. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "You are completely wrong Mrs | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs You are completely wrong Mrs "Well then I guess the guy who told me that he does "whatever the husband tells me to do to the hotwife" has been meeting all the exceptions to the rule | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs You are completely wrong Mrs
Well then I guess the guy who told me that he does "whatever the husband tells me to do to the hotwife" has been meeting all the exceptions to the rule "My apologies that response was a little short. I am sure it might be the case for some certainly not us or anyone we know that are into it. Tbh we just kinda fella into it, to say its been a good thing would be an understatement | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs You are completely wrong Mrs
Well then I guess the guy who told me that he does "whatever the husband tells me to do to the hotwife" has been meeting all the exceptions to the rule "Why would you assume that just because the husband is in control and tells him what to do to the wife that this in someway unhealthy? Might it not be that the husband knows exactly what his wife wants because they have discussed it exhaustively, and he is making it happen for her? Scenarios like this are a big turn on for MrsP, and I can assure you it's very healthy indeed | |||
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"Isn't 'hot wife' the term for when a couple invite a male to join in, but the husband has an active role, as opposed to being a cuck? He gets to enjoy seeing his wife with another man, she gets 2 men to play with. " Correct... | |||
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"Isn't 'hot wife' the term for when a couple invite a male to join in, but the husband has an active role, as opposed to being a cuck? He gets to enjoy seeing his wife with another man, she gets 2 men to play with. " It's less that the husband has an "active" role in a hotwife scenario.. its just that he isn't submissive like he is in a cuckold role. | |||
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"Isn't 'hot wife' the term for when a couple invite a male to join in, but the husband has an active role, as opposed to being a cuck? He gets to enjoy seeing his wife with another man, she gets 2 men to play with. It's less that the husband has an "active" role in a hotwife scenario.. its just that he isn't submissive like he is in a cuckold role." thats most definitely one definition of it | |||
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"I would enjoy the voyeurism of it, to watch 'my' woman entertain a man and, when she wants me, to join in. " absolutely our situation in clubs in London or Madrid ... there is an erotic power to this scenario | |||
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"Not every wife is hot that’s for sure... " But they are to their husbands or wifes | |||
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"Not every wife is hot that’s for sure... " Your hot is not always someone else's, but the term hotwife is more nuanced than just looks | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "What about "Submissive" wife when they say i only submit to my Dom" he directs everything put her in cages and she follows he's instructions, for me i see nothing wrong in hotwifes" me working in seeing a very hotwive standing there is the best thing ever. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "What about "Submissive" wife when they say i only submit to my Dom" he directs everything put her in cages and she follows he's instructions, for me i see nothing wrong in hotwifes" me working in seeing a very hotwive standing there is the best thing ever. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs "What about "Submissive" wife when they say i only submit to my Dom" he directs everything put her in cages and she follows he's instructions, for me i see nothing wrong in hotwifes" me working in seeing a very hotwive standing there is the best thing ever. | |||
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"The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs What about "Submissive" wife when they say i only submit to my Dom" he directs everything put her in cages and she follows he's instructions, for me i see nothing wrong in hotwifes" me working in seeing a very hotwive standing there is the best thing ever." | |||
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"You ask to be corrected if you’re wrong. Well, I would suggest you read your post several times prior to posting, correct any spelling errors, use correct grammar, and not post the same reply numerous times. Either way, I have absolutely no idea what your point is. The hotwife has negative connotations for me. In some cases, it seems that hubby controls everything; he chooses the guy and he directs things when he is there. The fact that "wife" is part of the name also suggests control by an alpha-male husband. Not healthy at all. Correct me please if I'm wrong. Mrs What about "Submissive" wife when they say i only submit to my Dom" he directs everything put her in cages and she follows he's instructions, for me i see nothing wrong in hotwifes" me working in seeing a very hotwive standing there is the best thing ever. "You probably should be sure you're attributing a quote to the correct poster before picking holes. I could be wrong but it appears that English may not be the poster's first language and it doesn't take a huge amount of effort to understand the gist of his post. Certainly no more effort than it does to write a post putting someone down needlessly | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ? "Can imagine they do..id say a lot of them get also get turned on by being a hot separated/ divorced lady too... | |||
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"I think it's a stupid term, but whatever floats your boat.Why? For starters, "hot" is subjective, also I don't like the idea of boxes to tick, rather than unique individuals. But like I said, whatever floats your boatThe idea that hot is subjective is something made up by insecure and jealous people.
I like the term, i like the fact i am married to one because its an accurate description of her. Most hotwives i know and theres a lot on here are actually Hot and wives so it’s actually accurate." well said | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ? "I think the word “ wife” is in itself NOT a hot word. ... although “ spouse” is worse . I wouldn’t want to be a “ hot wife”. I prefer the term MILF to be honest .. that’s just me! | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ?
I think the word “ wife” is in itself NOT a hot word. ... although “ spouse” is worse . I wouldn’t want to be a “ hot wife”. I prefer the term MILF to be honest .. that’s just me!
"Yeah, but then do you want to be called a “Hot Milf”..? That sounds too much like “Hot Milk” and instead of guys visualizing you in a sexy basque with knee high boots and their cock in your hand they will think of you with a dressing gown, slippers and a hot cocoa in your hand... | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ?
I think the word “ wife” is in itself NOT a hot word. ... although “ spouse” is worse . I wouldn’t want to be a “ hot wife”. I prefer the term MILF to be honest .. that’s just me!
Yeah, but then do you want to be called a “Hot Milf”..?
That sounds too much like “Hot Milk” and instead of guys visualizing you in a sexy basque with knee high boots and their cock in your hand they will think of you with a dressing gown, slippers and a hot cocoa in your hand... "That's feckin hot to some of us of a certain age | |||
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"Do women get turned on by the thoughts of being a hot wife ?
I think the word “ wife” is in itself NOT a hot word. ... although “ spouse” is worse . I wouldn’t want to be a “ hot wife”. I prefer the term MILF to be honest .. that’s just me!
Yeah, but then do you want to be called a “Hot Milf”..?
That sounds too much like “Hot Milk” and instead of guys visualizing you in a sexy basque with knee high boots and their cock in your hand they will think of you with a dressing gown, slippers and a hot cocoa in your hand... "You have missed the point! A MILF is hot anyway!! THE adjective is not stated as it is inferred in the title MILF! | |||
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"I get turned on that my wife is a hot wife..cant wait to watch her. Play " That she is
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"I would classify Scarlett as a hot wife, and I’m sure that the potential boyfriend that she is chatting to for post lockdown fun would agree. However, for us, hotwife doesn’t mean looks (although Scarlett is seriously smoking’), it more reflects the attitude and tone of the scenario. A wife with permission and encouragement to play, the build up, the event, the post play reclaim session, and then the fond play sessions while reminiscing. Everything about it is hot "A post in this thread we totally agree with. So many threads around here that have the term 'hotwife' that fail to recognise the term has absolutely nothing to do with looks. | |||
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"I would classify Scarlett as a hot wife, and I’m sure that the potential boyfriend that she is chatting to for post lockdown fun would agree. However, for us, hotwife doesn’t mean looks (although Scarlett is seriously smoking’), it more reflects the attitude and tone of the scenario. A wife with permission and encouragement to play, the build up, the event, the post play reclaim session, and then the fond play sessions while reminiscing. Everything about it is hot "Bingo.. | |||
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"I would classify Scarlett as a hot wife, and I’m sure that the potential boyfriend that she is chatting to for post lockdown fun would agree. However, for us, hotwife doesn’t mean looks (although Scarlett is seriously smoking’), it more reflects the attitude and tone of the scenario. A wife with permission and encouragement to play, the build up, the event, the post play reclaim session, and then the fond play sessions while reminiscing. Everything about it is hot "spot on buddy | |||
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"I think the OP has got a lot of criticism for asking a simple question. I like to play with other men whilst my hubby watches if that makes be a hot wife so be it. Who cares about labels. You're on a fucking swinging site. Get with the programme "I think more opinions of different thoughts on the question rather than critisism.. | |||
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"I dont think 'hotwife' necessarily says anything about power dynamics. Also D/s doesnt mean the sub doesnt hold the power." I agree. I think any muddlement either a lack of knowledge of the scene or, at the other end - an obsession with semantics. | |||
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