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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. " I definitely agree . | |||
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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. " What makes you think that? I would imagine there are a lot who arent meeting because of the pandemic, who may well decide that they are open to swinging again with people who are also covered? If that's not the case then what ARE we waiting for? | |||
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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. What makes you think that? I would imagine there are a lot who arent meeting because of the pandemic, who may well decide that they are open to swinging again with people who are also covered? If that's not the case then what ARE we waiting for?" You only have to look at "webcam" veris to see that plenty think nothing of meeting, no doubt many more are meeting and pretending not to, others are only not meeting because of the difficulty of restrictions. We aren't meeting because we have reduced our contacts to necessity only, even if we do start meeting again, it will be one or two people, the fewer contacts you have, the less risk. | |||
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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. What makes you think that? I would imagine there are a lot who arent meeting because of the pandemic, who may well decide that they are open to swinging again with people who are also covered? If that's not the case then what ARE we waiting for?" I posted an article on the other thread about the vaccines in progress. It's uncertain (at the very least) that their stated end-point is to guarantee anything - let alone immunity. Please bear in mind that there's a race for the prize on this Vaccine and that there are a LOT if corners being cut as regards large-scale testing and observable long-term side effects also. They are experimental vaccines and should be considered as such. Card-carrying immunity status could be a long way off until they are refned and guaranteed. | |||
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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. What makes you think that? I would imagine there are a lot who arent meeting because of the pandemic, who may well decide that they are open to swinging again with people who are also covered? If that's not the case then what ARE we waiting for? I posted an article on the other thread about the vaccines in progress. It's uncertain (at the very least) that their stated end-point is to guarantee anything - let alone immunity. Please bear in mind that there's a race for the prize on this Vaccine and that there are a LOT if corners being cut as regards large-scale testing and observable long-term side effects also. They are experimental vaccines and should be considered as such. Card-carrying immunity status could be a long way off until they are refned and guaranteed." That's actually not true. No corners have been cut. This vaccine had undergone the same amount of testing that others have done.. they just did it faster, due to the imperative. They have tested 40something thousand people with this. | |||
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"Ahh yeah a lot are meeting in the sky for sure... but those of us who ARE being responsible.. you dont think that it will become ok to meet openly when all parties are vaccinated?" You're realistically looking at 2022 for that. For us, it's unlikely we will be bothered tbh | |||
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"I'd imagine a considerable proportion of people won't give any more of a toss than they do now. What makes you think that? I would imagine there are a lot who arent meeting because of the pandemic, who may well decide that they are open to swinging again with people who are also covered? If that's not the case then what ARE we waiting for?" There are lots here who couldn't care less about playing safe in regards spreading the virus. All these social distancing coffees and many traveling way beyond their 5km. Some updating their status looking for meets. Their verification tell a better story as to how safe they are taking or playing durning this pandemic. | |||
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"Ahh yeah a lot are meeting in the sky for sure... but those of us who ARE being responsible.. you dont think that it will become ok to meet openly when all parties are vaccinated?" Yes it would be a lot safer. | |||
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"I'll definitely get the vaccine and so will most of my family and friends. But there will always be those that refuse to get it. I know a guy who is a recovering heroin addict and he a few weeks ago he was adamant that he wouldn't "put that shite" in his body without an ounce of sarcasm. We all burst out laughing"  I've heard people condemn vaccines while taking another drag of their joint | |||
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" That's actually not true. No corners have been cut. This vaccine had undergone the same amount of testing that others have done.. they just did it faster, due to the imperative. They have tested 40something thousand people with this. " It's true that the Pfizer Vaccine was tested on nearly 44,000 people - but if you read further down into the article, it says : "However, the data presented is not the final analysis as it is based on only the first 94 volunteers to develop Covid so the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54873105 There's a lot of hope around. But we are still a long way off and we can't plan the future on positive test results from 94 people. Would you take a vaccine that was rush-released ? Think about it. | |||
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"I'll definitely get the vaccine and so will most of my family and friends. But there will always be those that refuse to get it. I know a guy who is a recovering heroin addict and he a few weeks ago he was adamant that he wouldn't "put that shite" in his body without an ounce of sarcasm. We all burst out laughing I've heard people condemn vaccines while taking another drag of their joint"Or take a pill off a mate and go on facebook complaining about putting stuff into your body when you dont know whats in it | |||
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" I've heard people condemn vaccines while taking another drag of their joint"I've seen and heard of (and from) people who "would never go near drugs" who can't wait to be injected with an experimental new vaccine. Horses for courses eh ? | |||
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" I've heard people condemn vaccines while taking another drag of their joint
I've seen and heard of (and from) people who "would never go near drugs" who can't wait to be injected with an experimental new vaccine. Horses for courses eh ?"That's a ridiculous argument. These vaccines are created in a controlled lab environment and have had the exact same vaccine injected into 40thousand people already. Not the same thing as illegal drugs at all. | |||
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"It's going to be a gradual process, when the 2nd wave passes and everything opens up again people will start meeting more and more regardless if the vaccine is ready or not " I'm inclined to agree, restrictions are probably the biggest barrier to meets right now. It's different for couples like ourselves who aren't too bothered about swinging anyway, but single people can't be expected to be celibate indefinitely. | |||
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"Surely corvid19 being a risk is the reason right now... rather than the restrictions?" It's a reason, I doubt it's the main reason for a pretty significant amount of people. | |||
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" I've heard people condemn vaccines while taking another drag of their joint
I've seen and heard of (and from) people who "would never go near drugs" who can't wait to be injected with an experimental new vaccine. Horses for courses eh ?
That's a ridiculous argument. These vaccines are created in a controlled lab environment and have had the exact same vaccine injected into 40thousand people already. Not the same thing as illegal drugs at all."It's everyone's choice whether.or not they choose to do drugs or to be a guinea pig for experimental medicine. I hope the vaccine works but I am prepared to wait as long as it takes to be sure. I can live without meeting but not without being fully healthy. | |||
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"when this lockdown ends, people will just live their lives again in a large capacity. " You think come 1st Dec then everyone who was taking a covid19 break will just start swinging again? | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. " A mortality rate of 0.2% (per WHO) which occurs predominantly in older people is not going to strike fear into the hearts of younger people with no inkling of their own mortality. The real fear I would have is a pandemic involving one of the diseases popping up sporadically in Asia which have a mortality rate of 30%. People have become very complacent after all the initial fear over Covid and could well be dismissive of future efforts to control a more deadly disease. | |||
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"when this lockdown ends, people will just live their lives again in a large capacity. You think come 1st Dec then everyone who was taking a covid19 break will just start swinging again?" I'm not just talking about here but how long do you want people to not live for? some people I'd be confident in saying havnt had sex since March. | |||
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"when this lockdown ends, people will just live their lives again in a large capacity. You think come 1st Dec then everyone who was taking a covid19 break will just start swinging again?I'm not just talking about here but how long do you want people to not live for? some people I'd be confident in saying havnt had sex since March. " if everyone divided not to swing when lock down is lifted what's the point of this site night as well change it to just a chat site.. | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. " How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step." Well said | |||
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"It's not too far fetched now to imagine a stage, perhaps in the coming months, where people here are beginning to be vaccinated. If the currently discussed vaccine is to be the one we get then it will be 2 shots 21 days apart offering 90% immunity from covid19. How will this work I wonder? Will those who have had vaccinations then be free to meet? How will we know if our partner really has had the vaccine? Is 90% immunity for you both enough for you to have sex with strangers again? Will we begin to see profiles stating that they are good to meet as they are vaccinated? Will we see people refusing vaccines who are considered unsafe to meet? Discuss" Tbh...if there is a vaccine..great..but as regards it making much difference to those here that are still meeting those that they were meeting before covid ?..i dont think so..maybe it might open up a better chance for getting a meet for single people..maybe..again it all depends if people are gonna take that chance .. BUT in the everyday real world of course its gonna make a huge difference to peoples lives...IF..they are willing to take it... | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step." That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step." I'm 90% in agreement there that those ARE the critical questions here... right up until you say you just have to trust yourself... because thats not the issue here. To have sex with someone else you need to trust the OTHER person and that they are free of covid so you arent going to go home and kill your granny afterwards. That's the confidence that someone is going to have if the other person is vaccinated. | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. " How can 2 people meet now responsibly? What does that mean exactly | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. How can 2 people meet now responsibly? What does that mean exactly" "Responsible" in terms of sex is the same as any other really, reduce your contacts to a minimum. Meeting one person for sex isn't irresponsible, going to a party (any kind) would be. This is where the bubble concept comes in. | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. How can 2 people meet now responsibly? What does that mean exactly "Responsible" in terms of sex is the same as any other really, reduce your contacts to a minimum. Meeting one person for sex isn't irresponsible, going to a party (any kind) would be. This is where the bubble concept comes in." Thanks for answering that couldn't have worded it better. Now if I could figure out my bubble id be happy | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. How can 2 people meet now responsibly? What does that mean exactly "Responsible" in terms of sex is the same as any other really, reduce your contacts to a minimum. Meeting one person for sex isn't irresponsible, going to a party (any kind) would be. This is where the bubble concept comes in." How does 1 person on here know how the other person is behaving? They could have had a bareback gangbang the day before. That doesnt sound took responsible. I'm talking about swinging here not FWB's | |||
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"Jaysus. So I guess my thought that the vaccine is going to make a big difference to us here is wrong... and folks are just going to carry on meeting without a shred of responsability, even after there is a (relatively) safe option of meeting people who are vaccinated. That's disheartening. How would you know if a prospective partner was vaccinated ? And if so ,if their version of the vaccine worked properly (they may have been vaccinated abroad or with another product/version) ? And if their status was up to date ? And if that version of the vaccine they took guaranteed immunity ? By seeing some kind of health pass ? Is the health pass real/fake/in date ? Lots of questions. At some stage , you just gotta trust yourself.And them. Maybe not seeing people as potential bio-hazards is a good first step. That was point i made are people going to carry a card to say they have been vaccinated. Putting sex aside people cannot continue living the way we have done this past 8/9 months, the damage done to peoples mental health alone is shocking, people are alone for weeks on end, I work shift work and I tell you sitting in my house at 4am working has been awful, thankfully only had to do a few as our office had to stay open. If people want to meet let's hope all parties involved are been responsible life has to go on and we need something to look forward to. How can 2 people meet now responsibly? What does that mean exactly "Responsible" in terms of sex is the same as any other really, reduce your contacts to a minimum. Meeting one person for sex isn't irresponsible, going to a party (any kind) would be. This is where the bubble concept comes in. How does 1 person on here know how the other person is behaving? They could have had a bareback gangbang the day before. That doesnt sound took responsible. I'm talking about swinging here not FWB's" Guess that's the risk people take whether on here or on a night out. | |||
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"Also... I'm not sure a bubble means what you guys think it does. https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/" Well I'm single and if I could find another single household to share a bubble with why not. | |||
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"Also... I'm not sure a bubble means what you guys think it does. https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/ Well I'm single and if I could find another single household to share a bubble with why not." Oh 100% you can and should... but that doesnt mean swinging. That means 1 other household | |||
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"do parties, nightclubs never operate again?" That's the point of the vaccine.. to allow some kind of normality to return safely | |||
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"Also... I'm not sure a bubble means what you guys think it does. https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/ Well I'm single and if I could find another single household to share a bubble with why not. Oh 100% you can and should... but that doesnt mean swinging. That means 1 other household" Swinging lol Jesus I'm lucky to get a coffee meet. | |||
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"do parties, nightclubs never operate again? That's the point of the vaccine.. to allow some kind of normality to return safely" but that normality will not return unless a certain % take it when available | |||
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"I'm talking swinging. I'm talking full on sex parties, I'm talking events, dogging, gloryholes, whatever all you perverts fancy
Its all ok once attendees are vaccinated"But how do you prove they all vaccinated? | |||
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"I'm talking swinging. I'm talking full on sex parties, I'm talking events, dogging, gloryholes, whatever all you perverts fancy
Its all ok once attendees are vaccinated
But how do you prove they all vaccinated? "Which is my question exactly. I'm hoping there will be a record made. Something a dr can print. Or a book entry or reciept of some kind. Or do we just ask and take the honest responses. These things will become important soon as people start to get vaccines. | |||
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" I'm 90% in agreement there that those ARE the critical questions here... right up until you say you just have to trust yourself... because thats not the issue here. To have sex with someone else you need to trust the OTHER person and that they are free of covid so you arent going to go home and kill your granny afterwards. That's the confidence that someone is going to have if the other person is vaccinated." You wouldn't be going home and killing your granny because you'd be vaccinated yourself - and presumably immune - right ? That's how vaccines and herd immunity work - you break the chain of transmission. Well,you do have to trust yourself to make the right decision. Or trust your instincts as to whether or not someone else might be lying if they say they are vaccinated. How could you really know ? Maybe if you met them somewhere like a venue that does all the necessary background checking first ? As in, admission only to vetted people ? We're looking at a scenario here btw where no-one will ever meet again freely until a cast-iron vaccine guaranteeing immunity from COVID (and latest variants and strains) is available. It's a long way off. | |||
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"I'm talking swinging. I'm talking full on sex parties, I'm talking events, dogging, gloryholes, whatever all you perverts fancy
Its all ok once attendees are vaccinated
But how do you prove they all vaccinated?
Which is my question exactly. I'm hoping there will be a record made. Something a dr can print. Or a book entry or reciept of some kind. Or do we just ask and take the honest responses. These things will become important soon as people start to get vaccines.
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" I'm 90% in agreement there that those ARE the critical questions here... right up until you say you just have to trust yourself... because thats not the issue here. To have sex with someone else you need to trust the OTHER person and that they are free of covid so you arent going to go home and kill your granny afterwards. That's the confidence that someone is going to have if the other person is vaccinated. You wouldn't be going home and killing your granny because you'd be vaccinated yourself - and presumably immune - right ? That's how vaccines and herd immunity work - you break the chain of transmission. Well,you do have to trust yourself to make the right decision. Or trust your instincts as to whether or not someone else might be lying if they say they are vaccinated. How could you really know ? Maybe if you met them somewhere like a venue that does all the necessary background checking first ? As in, admission only to vetted people ? We're looking at a scenario here btw where no-one will ever meet again freely until a cast-iron vaccine guaranteeing immunity from COVID (and latest variants and strains) is available. It's a long way off." will you never meet again freely without an approved vaccine? | |||
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"I'm talking swinging. I'm talking full on sex parties, I'm talking events, dogging, gloryholes, whatever all you perverts fancy
Its all ok once attendees are vaccinated
But how do you prove they all vaccinated?
Which is my question exactly. I'm hoping there will be a record made. Something a dr can print. Or a book entry or reciept of some kind. Or do we just ask and take the honest responses. These things will become important soon as people start to get vaccines.
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"We are all taking risks as soon as we step outside our front door. " in fairness, wed live some shite life if we didnt | |||
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"No vaccine will give 100% coverage. The 90% that this one is looking to give is normal. If this one does what it says it does then I wouldn't be waiting for better. This is it" Again, that evidence is only based on data from 94 people. I think it's a feel good story, nothing more as yet. Long way to go | |||
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"Think about this for a sec.. if you're vaccinated and you have a high level of immunity, and you're meeting a stranger for sex who is also vaccinated... then the likelihood of your partner having covid is RIDICULOUSLY low, and if you have high immunity yourself then you simply are not going to get sick from fucking them. I would consider this safe enough. Safe enough for all kinds of sex without worrying one jot about covid. Doesnt this give you all a nice warm fuzzy feeling "Cool. Prove to me that you are vaccinated tho !! (And vice versa !)  | |||
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"No vaccine will give 100% coverage. The 90% that this one is looking to give is normal. If this one does what it says it does then I wouldn't be waiting for better. This is it Again, that evidence is only based on data from 94 people. I think it's a feel good story, nothing more as yet. Long way to go " What? No. 40,000 plus people have had the vaccine during trials | |||
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"News of a vaccine at least gives fresh hope to people that perhaps there will come a time when it's safe to have multiple sexual partners again, until then common sense should prevail. Seeing as people can become infected merely sharing the same space as someone for a few minutes I think it's difficult to accept that sexual contact poses any more risk than going shopping in tesco! We are all taking risks as soon as we step outside our front door. " What if you have sex in tesco? | |||
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" What? No. 40,000 plus people have had the vaccine during trials" Yep. They have. But as the article says (I mentioned this before up in the thread...) "However, the data presented is not the final analysis as it is based on only the first 94 volunteers to develop Covid so the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54873105 | |||
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"So 40k plus people had the vaccine, and 94 got some kind of covid infection, and you think that means it's nothing, and just a feel good useless vaccine. Gotcha. " Ah no, I suggest you read the article. The claim of 90% effectiveness is based on interim results from a sample of 94 people from the 40k plus. | |||
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" What? No. 40,000 plus people have had the vaccine during trials Yep. They have. But as the article says (I mentioned this before up in the thread...) "However, the data presented is not the final analysis as it is based on only the first 94 volunteers to develop Covid so the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54873105" correct it still needs peer to peer review to verify the data and there are still questions over how long it will last. 90%is higher than expected so let's see how final data looks. Its a two dose jab too at - 80 which will be difficult to distribute. Normally distribute at the - 25/26. Pfizer will most likely allow other manufacturers to use licence. It easy manufacture and i know some here that say they could roll out 1m a week. | |||
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"So 40k plus people had the vaccine, and 94 got some kind of covid infection, and you think that means it's nothing, and just a feel good useless vaccine. Gotcha. Ah no, I suggest you read the article. The claim of 90% effectiveness is based on interim results from a sample of 94 people from the 40k plus." It's a sample of 94 people who developed symptoms out of the 40k+ in the trial That's what the article is trying to say. | |||
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" correct it still needs peer to peer review to verify the data and there are still questions over how long it will last. 90%is higher than expected so let's see how final data looks. Its a two dose jab too at - 80 which will be difficult to distribute. Normally distribute at the - 25/26. Pfizer will most likely allow other manufacturers to use licence. It easy manufacture and i know some here that say they could roll out 1m a week." What are 80 and 25/26 here ? Size of doses ? I have to say - I don't like or trust the RNA modification bit or like the idea that people are be literally "genetically modified". | |||
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"News of a vaccine at least gives fresh hope to people that perhaps there will come a time when it's safe to have multiple sexual partners again, until then common sense should prevail. Seeing as people can become infected merely sharing the same space as someone for a few minutes I think it's difficult to accept that sexual contact poses any more risk than going shopping in tesco! We are all taking risks as soon as we step outside our front door. What if you have sex in tesco? " As long as its not in the clothing section youre not breaking any regulations | |||
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" correct it still needs peer to peer review to verify the data and there are still questions over how long it will last. 90%is higher than expected so let's see how final data looks. Its a two dose jab too at - 80 which will be difficult to distribute. Normally distribute at the - 25/26. Pfizer will most likely allow other manufacturers to use licence. It easy manufacture and i know some here that say they could roll out 1m a week. What are 80 and 25/26 here ? Size of doses ? I have to say - I don't like or trust the RNA modification bit or like the idea that people are be literally "genetically modified"." that's minus 80 degree Celsius. Temperature needed to store it. Some vaccines need minus 25 /25 so this vaccine needs a temp control 3 times lower. Not impossible but challenging | |||
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" correct it still needs peer to peer review to verify the data and there are still questions over how long it will last. 90%is higher than expected so let's see how final data looks. Its a two dose jab too at - 80 which will be difficult to distribute. Normally distribute at the - 25/26. Pfizer will most likely allow other manufacturers to use licence. It easy manufacture and i know some here that say they could roll out 1m a week. What are 80 and 25/26 here ? Size of doses ? I have to say - I don't like or trust the RNA modification bit or like the idea that people are be literally "genetically modified"." People arent being genetically modified. It's the virus that's modified | |||
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"So 40k plus people had the vaccine, and 94 got some kind of covid infection, and you think that means it's nothing, and just a feel good useless vaccine. Gotcha. Ah no, I suggest you read the article. The claim of 90% effectiveness is based on interim results from a sample of 94 people from the 40k plus. It's a sample of 94 people who developed symptoms out of the 40k+ in the trial That's what the article is trying to say." It's certainly not saying that only 94 people got Covid out of 40k vaccinated as you initially implied. | |||
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"Some uk doctors are saying it will cause dimentia...so do you want dimentia or covid ?" Well if you get one you'll forget you have the other | |||
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"Interesting, if out of 40,000 people only 94 in total developed the virus, despite half of the people being administered a placebo rather than the vaccine, why didn't more of the placebo recipients get it? We're told it's highly contagious, surely most of the 20,000 who got a dummy vaccine should have developed the disease if exposed?" Thats a great question. No idea. | |||
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"Some uk doctors are saying it will cause dimentia...so do you want dimentia or covid ?" What I've read is that some neurologists are concerned that Covid itself is causing neurological damage including possible memory loss. | |||
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""Pfizer faces a growing number of lawsuits in 2018 involving some of its most popular drugs" "Pfizer set a record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind with $2.3 billion in 2009" "In 2013, Pfizer agreed to pay $55 million to settle criminal charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said Wyeth promoted Protonix for unapproved uses in 2000 and 2001" "Nearly 10,000 women filed Prempro breast cancer lawsuits against Pfizer. By 2012, Pfizer settled most of the claims for more than $1 billion" "In 2011, Pfizer paid $700,000 to four families who lost children during the Trovan trials" " The company have a great reputation then  | |||
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"You have to remember Filthynight that they have slot of money put into this so they will be lookingvto get it back. All I'm saying is even thou I'm high risk I'll be holding off to see how it goes." I wouldn't argue with that at all. It can cost billions to bring a new drug/vaccine to market and many dont even get as far as trials. They are privately funded at the end of the day and have to make back the investment somewhere and I wouldn't begrudge them that. The few that make it to market have to pay for all the failures too. Not every product ends up as a viagra. It's a risky business in a lot of ways and you only have a limited amount of time before things go off patent, and then you have to deal with every man and his dog making generic variants. At the end of the day we need drug businesses to keep innovating if we want new treatments to keep coming. In my eyes (with the possible exception of antibiotics) vaccines are literally the greatest inventions of the human species. | |||
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"I won't be rushing to get the vaccine. Not sure if someone having taking the vaccine would make me meet them over someone who hasn't. Will everyone who has been vaccinated carry a card to say they have been? Id be more interested in a guy knowing he was regularly tested for sti's etc" Exactly this. Most of us are already herd immune. Unfortunately, there are loads of people who dont do regular tests and I concern about the sexual transmitted diseases not about covid or flu. | |||
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"In my eyes (with the possible exception of antibiotics) vaccines are literally the greatest inventions of the human species. " I agree, they have saved millions of lives. Mind boggling that the anti-vaxers conveniently forget this. | |||
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"Interesting, if out of 40,000 people only 94 in total developed the virus, despite half of the people being administered a placebo rather than the vaccine, why didn't more of the placebo recipients get it? We're told it's highly contagious, surely most of the 20,000 who got a dummy vaccine should have developed the disease if exposed?" it’s because they only started dosing people with the 2nd dose two months ago. In time many more who got the placebo will go on to grt Covid infections | |||
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"I'd imagine fake vaccination cards will be the big seller next year once a vaccine is issued " Ruthless  | |||
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"Interesting, if out of 40,000 people only 94 in total developed the virus, despite half of the people being administered a placebo rather than the vaccine, why didn't more of the placebo recipients get it? We're told it's highly contagious, surely most of the 20,000 who got a dummy vaccine should have developed the disease if exposed? it’s because they only started dosing people with the 2nd dose two months ago. In time many more who got the placebo will go on to grt Covid infections" Makes sense. Fingers crossed the numbers dont rise masively in the non-placibo group going forward | |||
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"Interesting, if out of 40,000 people only 94 in total developed the virus, despite half of the people being administered a placebo rather than the vaccine, why didn't more of the placebo recipients get it? We're told it's highly contagious, surely most of the 20,000 who got a dummy vaccine should have developed the disease if exposed? it’s because they only started dosing people with the 2nd dose two months ago. In time many more who got the placebo will go on to grt Covid infections Makes sense. Fingers crossed the numbers dont rise masively in the non-placibo group going forward" Just heard on nova radio that 600,000 Thousand vaccines have gone missing hope that’s not Ballyfermot lol | |||
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