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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. " schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down" I think some teachers said if it hits L5 they wont work.im starting to think schools could be an issue with covid spread. Asymptomatic kids passing it to other asymptomatic kids hence giving it to teachers and bringing into households. It remains to be seen what theyll allow and what they wont | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down" I work in a supermarket and since this all started we have taken every precaution to keep ourselves and customers safe. I know for a fact that not one member of staff where I work has got it. Yet I know customers that have been away on holiday and in the shop the day after coming back.. Also people need to eat where else would they be able to go to ger there groceries | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down I work in a supermarket and since this all started we have taken every precaution to keep ourselves and customers safe. I know for a fact that not one member of staff where I work has got it. Yet I know customers that have been away on holiday and in the shop the day after coming back.. Also people need to eat where else would they be able to go to ger there groceries " it's a bigger risk in supermarkets than a closed bubble in a classroom | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down I work in a supermarket and since this all started we have taken every precaution to keep ourselves and customers safe. I know for a fact that not one member of staff where I work has got it. Yet I know customers that have been away on holiday and in the shop the day after coming back.. Also people need to eat where else would they be able to go to ger there groceries it's a bigger risk in supermarkets than a closed bubble in a classroom" Kids spend longer in a bubble then people do in a supermarket | |||
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"yes op, you will always see people's true colour's on the forum section" There has been plenty of outbreaks in schools your just not hearing about it as they are trying to keep the schools open as long as they can without causing panic. Whole classrooms have been sent home and there teacherfor 14 days as close contacts after 1 classmate tested positive. Other pupils from these classes and family members have tested positive as a result. The health minister goes on the evening update all last week saying schools are not a issue for covid spread knowing full well they are he's choosing not to disclose the stats | |||
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"I know, but there is a bigger risk from supermarket. also the world health organisation has publically stated that you are more likely to get it off an adult than a kid. " Clearly not with the amount of kids that are getting it and passing it on. At the end of the day kids need to go to school and people need to shop just need to have to deal with it the best we can | |||
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"At the start of this in March kids where the first pulled out of school colleges etc as it was said they are carriers.... we are now heading into either level 4 or five....schools more than likely will remain open. I've a kid in secondary which has had two confirmed cases letters was sent out and nothing more done. Do I think cases have risen since schools started. Government think its safer with them wearing masks and social distancing. Half the time kids masks are hanging off there ears all carrying on as normal till class starts and on the masks go So no its not safer. " I think school is a big issue but it's been deemed essential | |||
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"At the start of this in March kids where the first pulled out of school colleges etc as it was said they are carriers.... we are now heading into either level 4 or five....schools more than likely will remain open. I've a kid in secondary which has had two confirmed cases letters was sent out and nothing more done. Do I think cases have risen since schools started. Government think its safer with them wearing masks and social distancing. Half the time kids masks are hanging off there ears all carrying on as normal till class starts and on the masks go So no its not safer. I think school is a big issue but it's been deemed essential " number of cases in schools are high its just not being highlighted too much its all very hush hush.... | |||
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"At the start of this in March kids where the first pulled out of school colleges etc as it was said they are carriers.... we are now heading into either level 4 or five....schools more than likely will remain open. I've a kid in secondary which has had two confirmed cases letters was sent out and nothing more done. Do I think cases have risen since schools started. Government think its safer with them wearing masks and social distancing. Half the time kids masks are hanging off there ears all carrying on as normal till class starts and on the masks go So no its not safer. I think school is a big issue but it's been deemed essential number of cases in schools are high its just not being highlighted too much its all very hush hush.... " Absolutely. | |||
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"I don't thinks it's blown out of proportion but what grinds my gears at present that the government is using the same lumberjack approach they used at the beginning of the pandemic, namely close the whole shop regardless of the consequences. It is as no progress has been made worldwide in the last 8 month how to deal with and what we know about the virus. It's like someone played Lego when defining those 5 levels, add a little cube there and take out a brick here, completely failing to define worst case and best case scenario and then work out 3 levels inbetween that are comprehensive, distinguishable and understandable. But sure every household got a color printed 5 level brochure, so we're grand, hang it up on the wall, doesn't matter if it's already out of date. "exactly, personally I will follow guidelines but I think it's madness to lockdown everything | |||
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"well all right let's lock everything up and get more depressed loose our buisness become dependant on dole for many years. that's the way we are heading. And before I get jumped on I am fully aware of the dangers of covid with close personal experience. I am also aware of the dangers of overwhelming the system. I have kids so yes I know the anxiety of sending them out. lockdown won't work. there will be more suicides than covid deaths but that will kept hush hush. " The casualties suffered as collateral damage exceeds the COV19 already for some time. With people passing away in the isolation of their homes, afraid to seek medical help in fear of COV19 or people having their treatment postponed to undefined time to keep capacities available for COV19 emergencies . If sufficient health care infrastructure is in place , mortality rates stay within manageable dimension as other countries have shown . And here lies the true dilemma , the health care system in Ireland has been underfunded and sacrisfied for austerity for years to pay off private bond holders . Believing that masks and restrictions of the population will solve the COV19 problem on the long run is beggars belief . If the government is seriously concerned about the people’s health then just stop increasing TD‘s pay and invest the monies into proper health care , equip and staff hospitals and nursery homes instead of putting all faith into some flimsy face masks and the miracles some illusive vaccine may do . | |||
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"well all right let's lock everything up and get more depressed loose our buisness become dependant on dole for many years. that's the way we are heading. And before I get jumped on I am fully aware of the dangers of covid with close personal experience. I am also aware of the dangers of overwhelming the system. I have kids so yes I know the anxiety of sending them out. lockdown won't work. there will be more suicides than covid deaths but that will kept hush hush. The casualties suffered as collateral damage exceeds the COV19 already for some time. With people passing away in the isolation of their homes, afraid to seek medical help in fear of COV19 or people having their treatment postponed to undefined time to keep capacities available for COV19 emergencies . If sufficient health care infrastructure is in place , mortality rates stay within manageable dimension as other countries have shown . And here lies the true dilemma , the health care system in Ireland has been underfunded and sacrisfied for austerity for years to pay off private bond holders . Believing that masks and restrictions of the population will solve the COV19 problem on the long run is beggars belief . If the government is seriously concerned about the people’s health then just stop increasing TD‘s pay and invest the monies into proper health care , equip and staff hospitals and nursery homes instead of putting all faith into some flimsy face masks and the miracles some illusive vaccine may do . " Can you please provide links to the resources you used to make this argument? | |||
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"At the start of this in March kids where the first pulled out of school colleges etc as it was said they are carriers.... we are now heading into either level 4 or five....schools more than likely will remain open. I've a kid in secondary which has had two confirmed cases letters was sent out and nothing more done. Do I think cases have risen since schools started. Government think its safer with them wearing masks and social distancing. Half the time kids masks are hanging off there ears all carrying on as normal till class starts and on the masks go So no its not safer. I think school is a big issue but it's been deemed essential number of cases in schools are high its just not being highlighted too much its all very hush hush.... " thats because the government dont seem to care about the people and want it kept quiet. | |||
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"At the start of this in March kids where the first pulled out of school colleges etc as it was said they are carriers.... we are now heading into either level 4 or five....schools more than likely will remain open. I've a kid in secondary which has had two confirmed cases letters was sent out and nothing more done. Do I think cases have risen since schools started. Government think its safer with them wearing masks and social distancing. Half the time kids masks are hanging off there ears all carrying on as normal till class starts and on the masks go So no its not safer. I think school is a big issue but it's been deemed essential number of cases in schools are high its just not being highlighted too much its all very hush hush.... thats because the government dont seem to care about the people and want it kept quiet." Definitely. You know, I think they're actually putting covid in the water. My cuppa tea just didn't taste right this morning. It's all about mind control, I'm telling ya! | |||
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"you can't Rule it out but by that logic why are there not more teachers out with it. " There are loads and schools are closing for a day or two regularly for deep cleaning. I'm surprised that some are only realising after all this time that large social gatherings, ie schools and Unis are a source of the perpetually spread of the virus. Kids/young people mix in classrooms, go home to 30 different families with parents mixing at work or socially, mix with a sibling or 3 who are then each mixing with their own 30 bubble. So we've gone from thinking it's safe to be in a bubble, but these bubbles are not family size or class size but at in fact close to 100 and that's each child's bubble. I haven't even suggested that after school many of these kids do not stay in their own class bubbles either. Just because you have a bubble in school doesn't stop the spread at all. The bubble was introduced as a house hold/ 2-5 people group and suddenly it's used in schools as if it's safe. The only way they could get schools back was to use the bubble concept but enlarge it and imply a classroom size bubble was safe like a small one. If they didn't the government would never have been able to get schools open to allow the workforce back to prop up the economy again. | |||
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"you can't Rule it out but by that logic why are there not more teachers out with it. There are loads and schools are closing for a day or two regularly for deep cleaning. I'm surprised that some are only realising after all this time that large social gatherings, ie schools and Unis are a source of the perpetually spread of the virus. Kids/young people mix in classrooms, go home to 30 different families with parents mixing at work or socially, mix with a sibling or 3 who are then each mixing with their own 30 bubble. So we've gone from thinking it's safe to be in a bubble, but these bubbles are not family size or class size but at in fact close to 100 and that's each child's bubble. I haven't even suggested that after school many of these kids do not stay in their own class bubbles either. Just because you have a bubble in school doesn't stop the spread at all. The bubble was introduced as a house hold/ 2-5 people group and suddenly it's used in schools as if it's safe. The only way they could get schools back was to use the bubble concept but enlarge it and imply a classroom size bubble was safe like a small one. If they didn't the government would never have been able to get schools open to allow the workforce back to prop up the economy again." very well said.thats the way the governmemt are spreading covid to the kids parents and grand parents as well as teachers and everyone else in contact in that group. | |||
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"yes op, you will always see people's true colour's on the forum section" This is so true. | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed down I work in a supermarket and since this all started we have taken every precaution to keep ourselves and customers safe. I know for a fact that not one member of staff where I work has got it. Yet I know customers that have been away on holiday and in the shop the day after coming back.. Also people need to eat where else would they be able to go to ger there groceries it's a bigger risk in supermarkets than a closed bubble in a classroom" you know it’s not an actual physical bubble right???  | |||
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" asymptomatic and contagion of others has yet to be proved. What people are not being told is they are also ingesting it through seafood." Cooking food kills the virus. Follow standard hygiene when preparing of food and you're grand. | |||
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" asymptomatic and contagion of others has yet to be proved. What people are not being told is they are also ingesting it through seafood." That's not to say it doesn't and therefore not a strong argument to hide behind or base anything by unless it fits in with what you want to hear. The WHO back in April said there was no evidence and to be fair the virus hadn't been around long enough to say either way, so they were erring on caution, however there have been a number of recent studies that show they can and do. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/10/asymptomatic Here's a more recent one that's worth a read with some interesting observations. | |||
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"If u cook it with a flame it will, but not boiling in pots or heating up in an oven/frying pan. Only extreme heat or ethanol kills it." Dunno where you have that from, there's no evidence of cooked food transmission. Cooking medium or way of cooking shouldn't make any difference once temps reach over 65 degrees. | |||
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"If u cook it with a flame it will, but not boiling in pots or heating up in an oven/frying pan. Only extreme heat or ethanol kills it." 56°C kills the covit virus that is why you are told wash your face masks at 60°C so there is no way its surviving cooking or boiling | |||
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"Your statement is not making sense a boiling kettle boils at 100 degrees. Boiling water doesn't kill it. Its the ethanol in hand wash that kills it. Thats if its an ingredient in the detergent. " ... Yes it does. Temperatures over 60C (for 30 mins or more) kill viruses including corona. That's why healthcare workers wash their scrubs at 60 degrees... | |||
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"Your statement is not making sense a boiling kettle boils at 100 degrees. Boiling water doesn't kill it. Its the ethanol in hand wash that kills it. Thats if its an ingredient in the detergent. ... Yes it does. Temperatures over 60C (for 30 mins or more) kill viruses including corona. That's why healthcare workers wash their scrubs at 60 degrees... " You're right. Had to do covid training and we washed at 60Degree water  | |||
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"Its still 60 degrees not matter how long the cycle. " A 30-second Google would clear this up for you bro. | |||
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"I doubt Google will have the correct answer on this, ur own body temperature is 37 degrees. " Do you know how Google works? It shows results from other websites? Including official sources like HSE.ie? | |||
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"I doubt Google will have the correct answer on this, ur own body temperature is 37 degrees. " It's absolutely hilarious to me that you won't accept this absolute fact because it doesn't sound right to you. | |||
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"Its not a fact. Boiling water doesn't kill it which 100 degrees tell me how does a temperature 40 degrees less kill it. " The World Health Organisation states it as a fact. They say... "Heat at 56°C kills the SARS coronavirus at around 10000 units per 15 min". Here is the link. Enjoy not reading it and continuing to be wrong. https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/ | |||
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"Its not a fact. Boiling water doesn't kill it which 100 degrees tell me how does a temperature 40 degrees less kill it. The World Health Organisation states it as a fact. They say... "Heat at 56°C kills the SARS coronavirus at around 10000 units per 15 min". Here is the link. Enjoy not reading it and continuing to be wrong. https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/ " SARS isn't covid-19, different types of novel coronavirus. | |||
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"Its not a fact. Boiling water doesn't kill it which 100 degrees tell me how does a temperature 40 degrees less kill it. The World Health Organisation states it as a fact. They say... "Heat at 56°C kills the SARS coronavirus at around 10000 units per 15 min". Here is the link. Enjoy not reading it and continuing to be wrong. https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/ SARS isn't covid-19, different types of novel coronavirus." Same virus family so WHO issue the same recommendations re SARS-COV-2 as the did for SARS-COV. | |||
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"Hows that working so far for WHO." Mad you're not actually the Director General of the WHO yourself seeing as you know so much more than they do. | |||
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"Thats complete speculation, nowhere does it say that it kills any Sars" Oh so you just can't read. Cool. | |||
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"I can read. it states we expect. That is not a fact stating its kills the virus. " Ah, so you have a fundamental problem with the scientific method and language? I'm afraid I can't solve that one for you. | |||
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"All the scientists are on Seem to know what kills the virus ... Woooo Hoooo "Did someone pee in your coffee?? | |||
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"Level 4.123456789 incoming. They brought out Diff levels but cant stick solely to one level. Today,you'll probably have businesses destroyed for good. People struggling to put food on the table for their families. What could this cause? Mental health issues and further deaths. I hope to god they leave as much open as they can. I just think there is so much community transmission now u cant stop it. Vast majority of us adhered to the guidlines since mid march and are now at the end of their tether. College life continues, schools stay open, off licences stay open, pubs will close which will encourage more house sessions. I couldn't tell u where all this will end. schools definatley beef to stay open our kids need an education and their friends. Supermarkets stayed open since day 1 handling cash close contact with the public , enough business has closed downI think some teachers said if it hits L5 they wont work.im starting to think schools could be an issue with covid spread. Asymptomatic kids passing it to other asymptomatic kids hence giving it to teachers and bringing into households. It remains to be seen what theyll allow and what they wont " I bet they'll take the full wage though and not go on the pup.... | |||
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