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By *ofusplus OP   Couple
over a year ago

Limerick

There's a noticeable difference between content discussed on the British and Irish forums.

The Brits have no problem divulging intimate details of their sexual likes and dislikes. However, us Irish seem to take a different approach.

Reading the Irish forums will give you ideas for Netflix, playlists, ways to reduce COVID spread, ideas for food, some challenging puzzles etc. You'll get the odd thread (usually posted by a guy) offering ladies €6 to purchase from a list of sexual acts etc etc. People usually go off on tangets with their hilarious answers and he doesn't get the expected response.

Having mulled over the distinct difference (and I must say, enjoying the Irish forum more), I have concluded that the Church still has a phychological foothold on Irish society where sex is concerned, despite our protestations to the contrary. We don't seem very confortable in divulging such details and resort instead to humour.

So if you've read this far, my questions are:

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

NOTE: This is not a church bashing thread, let's just call it research. Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1.. I don't share much of my sex life on the forums, you just don't know who can read it and some things are personal.

2.. I don't believe i am influenced by the church with regards to my behaviour or i wouldn't be on fab.

3.. 31

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By *man79Man
over a year ago

newry dundalk. warrenpoint

Welcome to Bman79’s church. On your knees and pray

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say 5 for my comfort level. I feel very comfortable sharing some things and less comfortable with others.

Yes, I think I'm absolutely influenced by the church. My mother was taught by nuns, and she raised me. So to think I've somehow not been shaped by the church would be very arrogant of me.

In 30.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

1. I don't discuss my sexual preferences publicly because they aren't set in stone and I much prefer to explore with others rather than talk about them.

2. No they were never influenced by the church although other aspects of my life were for many years

3. Prehistoric 55

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

No

According to some on here ....old

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. I joined fab to be able to open up and share

2. Nope no influence, I burn them to the ground if I had my way and build social housing on the land.

3. 41

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to be honest I dont think the catholic church have much influence to most people on Fab

I do think that more of a sense of Irish humour comes out on the forum and that the uk forum is more sexualy explicit because we're very much a closer community in real life so you can lose your anonymity a lot easier here than the uk.

"

Question - do you think most of the people on fab would be comfortable with their friends or families knowing that they're here?

And if not, don't you think that's a consequence of living in a country with such a recent history of church influence?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

The differences between Irish attitudes and those across the water are nothing new.

I remember English relatives who were younger than me being much more open in their discussions but were totally blown away by how Irish people greeted total strangers in the street with a friendly hello.

That was completely alien to them and they didn't live in a big city.

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By *ynchsimonMan
over a year ago

North county Dublin Meath

1. No, would never discuss any personal on a forum.

2. Definitely not.

3. 41

The problem being on the Irish forum is trolling, personal attacks, newbie and relative newbies trying to be controversial, attracting attention and some constant fools just having to comment on every single tread.

If you follow the English forums there is never personal attacks on other contributors or pure trolling for the sake of it. This is still plenty of good debates without the nonsense!!!

PS, great tread op!!!!

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By *ofusplus OP   Couple
over a year ago

Limerick

Very interesting. I suppose cultural differences also come into it? I see people being very graphic in the UK forums, far more than on the Irish one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

Mrs "

1) 8 I’d say. I’ll discuss nearly anything in general related to preferences but not a lot of specifics of what I’ve done and not a thing about who with. Only reluctance I have on discussing preferences is if people might cynically put together a more total picture of me to try figure out who I am to use it against me or such

2) used to be but not much now at all anymore. The church holds little in terms of morality for me

3) 37

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Irish people can be very judgey and also afraid to be judged at the same time so we don’t talk as openly as other cultures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. I wouldn't be uncomfortable discussing my sexual preferences with those I'm talking to, however, not publicly admittedly. I don't believe that derives from anything other than one's inherent personality.

2. Not at all. I attended mass weekly as a child, attended a Catholic secondary school and still believe in a God but religion was never forced upon me to any great extent. Certainly not enough to shape my values beyond common decency.

3. 29

I think it's an interesting discussion to be had in a much wider sense of the respective attitudes and cultures of the UK and Ireland. However, given we're already in the microcosm of 'Fab' I think anyone here is already separated from the teachings/views of the church with regards their own sexuality.

In wider society in general, given there's public clubs etc, the chance for sexual expression is more accepted in the UK than Ireland I think and the latter is still somewhat in the dark ages as a whole; for lack of a better term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. Loose lips sink ships

2. That would be an ecumenical matter

3. None of your goddam beeswax

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

sorry deleted the last post when I realized I hadn't answered your questions

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

Comfortable enough to say it on my profile but have never really discussed my preferences except with the person I'm sharing them with so a 2

I have however asked certain people on here for advice which was gratefully received

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

Absolutely not but is definitely influenced by my parents...sex was never discussed

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

If I close my eyes I'm 32 but then I have to open them eventually and I'm still 55

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm comfortable sharing anything with people I trust completely. There are about two of those on the planet.

It's got nothing to do with religion and everything to do with safeguarding my own private life.

There do seem to be a lot of people here with a massive chip on their shoulders about the Catholic Church. IMO, atheistic zealots are every bit as bad as the other kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 54, it's on the profile for all to see!

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By *ohnFKMan
over a year ago

Where the Streets Have No Name

1. It's a difficult question. But interesting as well. Hard to know where I am on the scale. Of course I am happy to broadly discuss sexual preferences on fab, but I understand that this is with a degree of anonymity I suppose. I suppose it might be a 7 or an 8 on your scale, but then level of detail would be much lower..say a 1 or a 2. This number would obviously increase in private duscussions with friends/playmates.

2. My immediate instinct was to say no influence at all, but I think there probably is some deeply engrained residual influence left over from school (or even mass!!.) Right vs wrong...maybe don't 'covet your neighbour's wife' and all that lol. It's probably societal too, with Ireland being maybe less tolerant & somewhere where everyone knows everyone (more or less)

3. 40

Good question. Sorry for my babbling tangent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really discuss my preferences here either but to be honest I would put that down to more of a cultural thing. Irish people are secretive in general. I have absolutely no idea about the teachings of the church and my parents wouldn't have went to church once the hit adulthood. I never attended church even at xmas. I know very little about Catholicism even though I'm supposed to be Catholics. I don't know anyone my age or even my parents age of close to 60 that attend church regularly tbh.

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By *ohnFKMan
over a year ago

Where the Streets Have No Name


"1. Loose lips sink ships

2. That would be an ecumenical matter

3. None of your goddam beeswax "

Spat out my bagel reading number 2!!!! Genius!!

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

1 - 7

2 - 2

I'm an atheist and I actively try to rid myself of church influences, but it's difficult as the church has had such a tight hold over ireland for so long.

I'm open to talking about most of my preferences. but I hold stuff back as some of my preferences might be unpleasant to some (BDSM related stuff mostly). I dont hold back for religious reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really discuss my preferences here either but to be honest I would put that down to more of a cultural thing. Irish people are secretive in general. I have absolutely no idea about the teachings of the church and my parents wouldn't have went to church once the hit adulthood. I never attended church even at xmas. I know very little about Catholicism even though I'm supposed to be Catholics. I don't know anyone my age or even my parents age of close to 60 that attend church regularly tbh."

You don't need to attend church to be influenced by it though. It's played such a huge role in our past that Irish culture is massively shaped by it.

For example, that secretiveness that you mentioned is largely caused by the shame our grandparents and great grandparents had around sin, which was caused by the church. That's why pregnant unmarried women were hidden away and never talked about, or boys who were abused by priests never told anyone.

I'm not saying that the church is the only thing that's influenced us, or even that it's the biggest influence on us today. I'd certainly hope not. But I do think it's silly to think any of us have escaped it's influence when schools still force kids to say their prayers and the angelus is played on national TV everyday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a noticeable difference between content discussed on the British and Irish forums.

The Brits have no problem divulging intimate details of their sexual likes and dislikes. However, us Irish seem to take a different approach.

Reading the Irish forums will give you ideas for Netflix, playlists, ways to reduce COVID spread, ideas for food, some challenging puzzles etc. You'll get the odd thread (usually posted by a guy) offering ladies €6 to purchase from a list of sexual acts etc etc. People usually go off on tangets with their hilarious answers and he doesn't get the expected response.

Having mulled over the distinct difference (and I must say, enjoying the Irish forum more), I have concluded that the Church still has a phychological foothold on Irish society where sex is concerned, despite our protestations to the contrary. We don't seem very confortable in divulging such details and resort instead to humour.

So if you've read this far, my questions are:

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

NOTE: This is not a church bashing thread, let's just call it research. Mrs "

1....10

2. No...l have my beliefs but when it comes to giving a lady pleasure nothing is a barrier to try to give her what she..wants.. needs ..desires ..is sex not THE greatest gift of all ???..BUT there is a line l will never cross..involvement with a married lady

3. Age is on my profile .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really discuss my preferences here either but to be honest I would put that down to more of a cultural thing. Irish people are secretive in general. I have absolutely no idea about the teachings of the church and my parents wouldn't have went to church once the hit adulthood. I never attended church even at xmas. I know very little about Catholicism even though I'm supposed to be Catholics. I don't know anyone my age or even my parents age of close to 60 that attend church regularly tbh.

You don't need to attend church to be influenced by it though. It's played such a huge role in our past that Irish culture is massively shaped by it.

For example, that secretiveness that you mentioned is largely caused by the shame our grandparents and great grandparents had around sin, which was caused by the church. That's why pregnant unmarried women were hidden away and never talked about, or boys who were abused by priests never told anyone.

I'm not saying that the church is the only thing that's influenced us, or even that it's the biggest influence on us today. I'd certainly hope not. But I do think it's silly to think any of us have escaped it's influence when schools still force kids to say their prayers and the angelus is played on national TV everyday. "

There was a stigma in being unmarried and pregnant in the UK too, it can't be blamed entirely on Catholicism. I blame the patriarchy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must say, Sydney University are getting craftier and craftier.. "Ohpee"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really discuss my preferences here either but to be honest I would put that down to more of a cultural thing. Irish people are secretive in general. I have absolutely no idea about the teachings of the church and my parents wouldn't have went to church once the hit adulthood. I never attended church even at xmas. I know very little about Catholicism even though I'm supposed to be Catholics. I don't know anyone my age or even my parents age of close to 60 that attend church regularly tbh.

You don't need to attend church to be influenced by it though. It's played such a huge role in our past that Irish culture is massively shaped by it.

For example, that secretiveness that you mentioned is largely caused by the shame our grandparents and great grandparents had around sin, which was caused by the church. That's why pregnant unmarried women were hidden away and never talked about, or boys who were abused by priests never told anyone.

I'm not saying that the church is the only thing that's influenced us, or even that it's the biggest influence on us today. I'd certainly hope not. But I do think it's silly to think any of us have escaped it's influence when schools still force kids to say their prayers and the angelus is played on national TV everyday.

There was a stigma in being unmarried and pregnant in the UK too, it can't be blamed entirely on Catholicism. I blame the patriarchy "

Yeah but didn't that come from religion too? Honestly it's kinda hard to differentiate between religion and the patriarchy. Potato potaaaato

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By *ofusplus OP   Couple
over a year ago

Limerick


"

You don't need to attend church to be influenced by it though. It's played such a huge role in our past that Irish culture is massively shaped by it.

For example, that secretiveness that you mentioned is largely caused by the shame our grandparents and great grandparents had around sin, which was caused by the church. That's why pregnant unmarried women were hidden away and never talked about, or boys who were abused by priests never told anyone.

I'm not saying that the church is the only thing that's influenced us, or even that it's the biggest influence on us today. I'd certainly hope not. But I do think it's silly to think any of us have escaped it's influence when schools still force kids to say their prayers and the angelus is played on national TV everyday. "

I couldn't have written that better myself. We can talk about 'culture' and 'society' 'til the cows come home, but they have been directly influenced by the church here. Consciously, unconsciously or subconsciously, I don’t know if any of us can say that we are not influenced by the church in any way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1. Loose lips sink ships

2. That would be an ecumenical matter

3. None of your goddam beeswax

Spat out my bagel reading number 2!!!! Genius!! "

The whole bagel!

Shiver me timbers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't really discuss my preferences here either but to be honest I would put that down to more of a cultural thing. Irish people are secretive in general. I have absolutely no idea about the teachings of the church and my parents wouldn't have went to church once the hit adulthood. I never attended church even at xmas. I know very little about Catholicism even though I'm supposed to be Catholics. I don't know anyone my age or even my parents age of close to 60 that attend church regularly tbh.

You don't need to attend church to be influenced by it though. It's played such a huge role in our past that Irish culture is massively shaped by it.

For example, that secretiveness that you mentioned is largely caused by the shame our grandparents and great grandparents had around sin, which was caused by the church. That's why pregnant unmarried women were hidden away and never talked about, or boys who were abused by priests never told anyone.

I'm not saying that the church is the only thing that's influenced us, or even that it's the biggest influence on us today. I'd certainly hope not. But I do think it's silly to think any of us have escaped it's influence when schools still force kids to say their prayers and the angelus is played on national TV everyday.

There was a stigma in being unmarried and pregnant in the UK too, it can't be blamed entirely on Catholicism. I blame the patriarchy

Yeah but didn't that come from religion too? Honestly it's kinda hard to differentiate between religion and the patriarchy. Potato potaaaato "

Nope the Abrahamic religions evolved from the ultimate patriarch

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Secretive and yet love their gossip....

Anyhow I'm not born in this country, I'm not catholic, raised very liberal. I've no qualms to discuss any sexual related topic, unfortunately when general discussions arise on here they're often ridiculed by stupid answers which points to a certain prudishness and/or limited openmindedness, which I believe has certainly something to do with the catholic church's grip.

As for discussing details of my personal preferences on a public forum, I'd rather keep that with people I'm interested in. I tell you one secret though I like decent cocks and a good stamina.

Q3 Please see profile.

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By *ineapple_PrincessWoman
over a year ago

in the waves

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

1. I'm comfortable talking about my sexual preferences. Even talking about sex among friends. But not specific experiences as that's too much info for this venue.

2. I'm not Irish and was brought up in a more open culture. I think this definitely has an influence on how I am today.

3. I'm 35

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a noticeable difference between content discussed on the British and Irish forums.

The Brits have no problem divulging intimate details of their sexual likes and dislikes. However, us Irish seem to take a different approach.

Reading the Irish forums will give you ideas for Netflix, playlists, ways to reduce COVID spread, ideas for food, some challenging puzzles etc. You'll get the odd thread (usually posted by a guy) offering ladies €6 to purchase from a list of sexual acts etc etc. People usually go off on tangets with their hilarious answers and he doesn't get the expected response.

Having mulled over the distinct difference (and I must say, enjoying the Irish forum more), I have concluded that the Church still has a phychological foothold on Irish society where sex is concerned, despite our protestations to the contrary. We don't seem very confortable in divulging such details and resort instead to humour.

So if you've read this far, my questions are:

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

NOTE: This is not a church bashing thread, let's just call it research. Mrs "

It was me that posted a Forum post from UK OP.. thanks for noticing this as a newbie I have bitched a little about the forum being quite judgmental and piss takie when it comes to sexuality.. I’m 40 and this is not an age thing as far as I’m concerned.. educated within a CBS.. I’ve been exposed to it but try to be liberated and not as conservative as I was taught.. but it’s definitely prevalent here though as in your example...

Hence I wouldn’t want to share much here because of the I feel closed opinions.. and I’ll probably get roasted for saying so just to further the evidence.. but that’s my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm Welsh and when I moved here it was a serious eye opener.. The Welsh are very open and Liberal.

But that was a good few years ago now to be fair.

Ireland has come a long way

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By *atherjackhackettMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"There's a noticeable difference between content discussed on the British and Irish forums.

The Brits have no problem divulging intimate details of their sexual likes and dislikes. However, us Irish seem to take a different approach.

Reading the Irish forums will give you ideas for Netflix, playlists, ways to reduce COVID spread, ideas for food, some challenging puzzles etc. You'll get the odd thread (usually posted by a guy) offering ladies €6 to purchase from a list of sexual acts etc etc. People usually go off on tangets with their hilarious answers and he doesn't get the expected response.

Having mulled over the distinct difference (and I must say, enjoying the Irish forum more), I have concluded that the Church still has a phychological foothold on Irish society where sex is concerned, despite our protestations to the contrary. We don't seem very confortable in divulging such details and resort instead to humour.

So if you've read this far, my questions are:

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

NOTE: This is not a church bashing thread, let's just call it research. Mrs "

There's also a notable difference in the number of couples and single women looking for and accepting single guys across the the pond

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

1. On forums and early stages of messaging: 1-3. When comfortable chatting with someone on here: 7-8ish.

2. Growing up listening to loads of Death/Black Metal, which had some Satanic elements, influenced me more than the church. I was done with religion by 14 or 15. (for the record, I'm not a Satanist)

3. Almost 40.

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By *1CorkCouple
over a year ago

Cork

We’d be very comfortable talking about our sexual preferences and would have a strong forum preference for anything sexual.

We’re more afraid of the sneers from the trend setters and fanboys on the forum than the disapproval of the local Parish Priest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

Online I find I am comfortable in explaining my preferences - 10

In person I not as comfortable but when I much more comfortable when I get to know them and I see they have no problem expressing themselves - 5 (initially)

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

I think on some level yes it has an influence because I was raised one and grew with family, friends and community that were also raised catholic. OP has pointed out that the UK does not have the same attitude and they are not a catholic country. I would be interested to hear from nationalities from other catholic countries such as Poland and Italy what their attitude is like and compare.

But then some of it is probably influenced by being bit shy and possibly not being able to express myself as I would like. But like anything, the more you do something, the more comfortable you get at it.

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

I am 41

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By *ailburkeMan
over a year ago

near you

I think its more about what will the neighbours think than a church thing ,you have to remember Ireland is very small population wise ,easy to be who ever you want to be and be open to all sorts of sex when your hidden amoung 80 million in the uk ,no so easy when you hidden in 4 million and everyone knows your bussness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think the church has much, if any, influence. I do believe that it can be due to the high level of rebuke that can be expressed on sites like these, there can be harsh words used. That's why I would be very cautious on this site. A friend (yes a friend!) explained that he basically got shut down by people for his comments which were in no way immoral or disgusting. I'm 41

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By *ofusplus OP   Couple
over a year ago

Limerick


"I don't think the church has much, if any, influence. I do believe that it can be due to the high level of rebuke that can be expressed on sites like these, there can be harsh words used. That's why I would be very cautious on this site. A friend (yes a friend!) explained that he basically got shut down by people for his comments which were in no way immoral or disgusting. I'm 41"

I must say I have never seen a person on here shot down for their comments on sex. Maybe ladies rightly pulled guys up on comments bigging themselves up, but that's all. I've seen more arguments over non-sexual conversations tbh.

Can I ask what his comments related to?

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down


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1) On a scale of 1-10, how comfortable are you discussing your sexual preferences on here?

2) Do you think your comfort level is influenced by your church upbringing?

3) What age are you? Very relevant, I think.

NOTE: This is not a church bashing thread, let's just call it research. Mrs "

1. I have no issue talking about my sexual preferences but have no interest in talking about them to everyone on here. If there's a thread I'm interested in I'll comment on it but I gave up answering questions in pms about sexual preferences etc ages ago as too many are looking for just wank material. If I get to know someone I will talk a bit about them but prefer to meet and see how we get on in person.

2.No I don't believe the church has had any real influence over how I think about it at all. I'm not religious There's so much I don't agree with when it comes to the church and its hypocrisy at times and a lot of the most relgious people I have known who are weekly church goers would walk all over anyone if they thought they would benefit. But at the same time I've seen how someone's faith can help them enormously when things get tough. But I realised when I was quite young that it wasn't something that I'd follow. I'm more agonist than anything I guess.

3. I'm 47 my profile age is my real age.

I think the irish forums has a good selection of random threads a lot of the time. I personally would find it less interesting if it was all sex talk on here. You get to see peoples personality on here and views on so many different things. There's plenty of other parts of the forums where there is a lot more sex conversations so its there if people want it also.

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By *scouple07Couple
over a year ago

louth, Ireland


"I'm Welsh and when I moved here it was a serious eye opener.. The Welsh are very open and Liberal.

But that was a good few years ago now to be fair.

Ireland has come a long way "

I totally agree with this, I (mr Gs) am also Welsh and found that I was alot more open about those things compared to Mrs Gs (irish)

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By *cottybear74Man
over a year ago

kilkenny

Yup this can been seen a lot in work some people still have a taboo about been seen exiting an adult store.

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