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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork

Why is there a reluctance to declare hat the obesity epidemic has greatly exacerbated the impact of the CV19 pandemic in the under 75s?

Is the issue of a person’s weight too sensitive to point this out? While obesity had its own death toll, it is now a major contributor to the Covid death toll, not to mention the economic and mental health fallout. Can we afford to take our eye off the ball and the lack of action on the epidemic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont see a reluctance to linking it anywhere its listed as a risk factor in any publication I have seen.

And I dont see a lack of action in weight management. Every single local authority runs subsidised weight management programmes there are endless TV programmes about it and constant coverage on TV and radio.

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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork

Maybe we’re listening to the wrong news but you are told to wash your hands 100 times a day but we haven’t been encouraged to lose weight once in six months.

We put on weight over the first lockdown and as we get back into shape, sports matches, gyms, pools and indoor fitness classes all shutdown. Same for our kids which is not healthy.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

It's not a reluctance. It's just fairly pointless. Fat folk can't stop being fat immediately in the face of a pandemic. They also aren't fat because they decide that they want to be. Fat people are fat for a reason, and that reason doesn't dissappear in a pandemic, in fact in most cases its made worse.

Healthy eating and exercise should be (and has been) encouraged during the pandemic, but thee is no point in making people at slightly higher risk even more scared and damaging their mental health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe we’re listening to the wrong news but you are told to wash your hands 100 times a day but we haven’t been encouraged to lose weight once in six months.

We put on weight over the first lockdown and as we get back into shape, sports matches, gyms, pools and indoor fitness classes all shutdown. Same for our kids which is not healthy."

Ah you mean some direct targeting of obsesse people.

Do you really think that people who are overweight need to be told.

There has been risk factors linked to obesity for years.

Sure tell everyone stop smoking on the daily news too...

You could list numerous lifestyle factors everyday.

Washing hands prevents the spread of the virus, losing weight does not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst obesity is a problem, meeting others for sex during pandemic is surely more of a risk!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why is there a reluctance to declare hat the obesity epidemic has greatly exacerbated the impact of the CV19 pandemic in the under 75s?

Is the issue of a person’s weight too sensitive to point this out? While obesity had its own death toll, it is now a major contributor to the Covid death toll, not to mention the economic and mental health fallout. Can we afford to take our eye off the ball and the lack of action on the epidemic?"

I see no reluctance to point it out. It's widely talked about. As Filthy Nights pointed out, there is no quick fix for obesity and a lot of the support in the periphery of this was withdrawn or unavailable during the first wave, in many cases exacerbating the issue. The solution to obesity in many cases is a complete lifestyle change. This will not happen in a few months. Many - like myself - can and are chipping away at it but may still be classed as obese a year down the line.

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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork


"Whilst obesity is a problem, meeting others for sex during pandemic is surely more of a risk!!!"

It’d be interesting if they’d specify how many clusters attributed to sexual hook ups!

One in theory is one extremely small element of entire nation’s social contact web, which is how virus is spread, the other determines how the virus impacts an individual who contracts it. Who is to say which has had a worse impact on ICU admissions and fatalities?

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Personal responsibility is none existent in this country.

Its always someone elses fault.

The amount of morbidly obese people who also smoke, i find that absolutely insane.

Something needs to be done about it.

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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork


"It's not a reluctance. It's just fairly pointless. Fat folk can't stop being fat immediately in the face of a pandemic. They also aren't fat because they decide that they want to be. Fat people are fat for a reason, and that reason doesn't dissappear in a pandemic, in fact in most cases its made worse.

Healthy eating and exercise should be (and has been) encouraged during the pandemic, but thee is no point in making people at slightly higher risk even more scared and damaging their mental health. "

Surely public health advice matters and imminent threat of a pandemic is good motivation to spread and hammer home the message... a bit of extra motivation perhaps?

Surely public policy matters also and prioritising keeping sporting and fitness activities open, the same way as we accept risk in education, would be worthwhile in both message and practical measure?

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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork


"Personal responsibility is none existent in this country.

Its always someone elses fault.

The amount of morbidly obese people who also smoke, i find that absolutely insane.

Something needs to be done about it."

Agreed, but we would be about the carrot - investment in sport from a young age. If you look at what the pandemic will cost exchequer and wider economy versus the Government spend on sport, it’s ridiculous.

Prevention is better than cure?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to point out gyms and pools can remain open in level 3

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By *1Cork OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cork


"Just to point out gyms and pools can remain open in level 3"

That’s good news. Our classes in local leisure facility all cancelled so presumed the place was shutting. Need to check.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I think diet education of some kind.

You can make proper healthy food such as burgers and chips, omelettes, stir fry, pasta, doesnt even need to be really low in cals.

Basic stuff. Amount of people who don’t realize that a standard pepperoni pizza has probably thrice the calories of a typical Sunday roast dinner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to point out gyms and pools can remain open in level 3

That’s good news. Our classes in local leisure facility all cancelled so presumed the place was shutting. Need to check."

Group classes cant run. Individual training in gym and pools can continue.

Depends on the individual facility then if its cost effective to remain open

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I am not suggesting burgers are low in cals i meant lower cal versions

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"And I dont see a lack of action in weight management. Every single local authority runs subsidised weight management programmes there are endless TV programmes about it and constant coverage on TV and radio.

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I sooo not agree with you.

Leaving the covid-19 pandemic aside I think we have barely scratched the surface of this problem which is and will be a substantial challenge to our national health system and to many, many individuals out there. It's not done with a local weight watcher club and some tv programmes.

Much much more can be and must be done to avoid and to reduce overweight/obesity in the first place but also to support and encourage weight loss and to educate on healthy diet.

It has to start at education level, in school. Healty diet and the basics of cooking should be a compulsory part on the school curriculum. It is scary how bad diets are from early childhood on and with all the fast food, take away and ready meals being pushed upon us, it's not getting any better. If you're not into GAA school sport is an absolute utter joke and/or demoralising and discouraging. The food that is being served in school/uni cantines is disgraceful etc.

I could go on forever with examples up to product placement in shops to seduce you into buying crap food that costs more than the healty stuff. There's so much where we have to change in order to address this issue and to turn things around.

I agree with you though there's no point in scaremongering and putting extra pressure on overweight and obese people during the pandemic. Yet nothing wrong with encouraging to loose weight and better start today than tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I dont see a lack of action in weight management. Every single local authority runs subsidised weight management programmes there are endless TV programmes about it and constant coverage on TV and radio.

I sooo not agree with you.

Leaving the covid-19 pandemic aside I think we have barely scratched the surface of this problem which is and will be a substantial challenge to our national health system and to many, many individuals out there. It's not done with a local weight watcher club and some tv programmes.

Much much more can be and must be done to avoid and to reduce overweight/obesity in the first place but also to support and encourage weight loss and to educate on healthy diet.

It has to start at education level, in school. Healty diet and the basics of cooking should be a compulsory part on the school curriculum. It is scary how bad diets are from early childhood on and with all the fast food, take away and ready meals being pushed upon us, it's not getting any better. If you're not into GAA school sport is an absolute utter joke and/or demoralising and discouraging. The food that is being served in school/uni cantines is disgraceful etc.

I could go on forever with examples up to product placement in shops to seduce you into buying crap food that costs more than the healty stuff. There's so much where we have to change in order to address this issue and to turn things around.

I agree with you though there's no point in scaremongering and putting extra pressure on overweight and obese people during the pandemic. Yet nothing wrong with encouraging to loose weight and better start today than tomorrow. "

I fully agree that more can and needs to be done to promote healthier lifestyles, not just weight related.

My post was in response to the OP suggesting there was a reluctance to suggest obesity was an issue.

But let's face it its not the onky area we could improve the education and treatment of our population in general. I just don't think its specifically avoided

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By *ired-BNMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Dont mean to take this too far off topic but i jotted down a thought I had earlier that ties in with obesity.

Consumerism suits government. I don't want to come off as a tin hat sort of guy as I'm not but there are obvious trends that can be seen in all people controlling systems. One that we are in now is a strong state of consumerism, eat more, buy more, always upgrade and update, purchase more, borrow to purchase. This keeps people in a state of needing to constantly work. The fact that if we as individuals didn't consume as much food and technology day to day we wouldn't have to work as many hours. We could spend an extra day living our lives, but this seems unnatural to people as we were bred like the cattle we farm to believe in our fences and never question the hand that welds the switch.

This relates back to obesity in not just the consumerism and over indulge of produce but also to the proping up of billion dollar healthcare systems that need customers like all businesses. They lobby the government to push for approved chemicals away from traditional holistic and herbal approaches as they don't benefit from them, even though herbal methods have been the foundation of modern pharmacy.

Basically we are part of a sick system thats designed to make us perceive ourselves as weak, addictions are not helped but punished, comfort eating is promoted through movie and ads, body shameing then eats away at our sense of self. A system designed to keep people weak, otherwise people would realise the fences are only in their head and the welder of the switch is simply another money-hungry sick man.

Ps i don't normally rant

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By *olm_irishMan
over a year ago

Clonee


"I think diet education of some kind.

You can make proper healthy food such as burgers and chips, omelettes, stir fry, pasta, doesnt even need to be really low in cals.

Basic stuff. Amount of people who don’t realize that a standard pepperoni pizza has probably thrice the calories of a typical Sunday roast dinner.

"

This educate parents on diet! The gym will not offset a bad diet. Kids need help, it's one of the most important life gifts a parent can give!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And I dont see a lack of action in weight management. Every single local authority runs subsidised weight management programmes there are endless TV programmes about it and constant coverage on TV and radio.

I sooo not agree with you.

Leaving the covid-19 pandemic aside I think we have barely scratched the surface of this problem which is and will be a substantial challenge to our national health system and to many, many individuals out there. It's not done with a local weight watcher club and some tv programmes.

Much much more can be and must be done to avoid and to reduce overweight/obesity in the first place but also to support and encourage weight loss and to educate on healthy diet.

It has to start at education level, in school. Healty diet and the basics of cooking should be a compulsory part on the school curriculum. It is scary how bad diets are from early childhood on and with all the fast food, take away and ready meals being pushed upon us, it's not getting any better. If you're not into GAA school sport is an absolute utter joke and/or demoralising and discouraging. The food that is being served in school/uni cantines is disgraceful etc.

I could go on forever with examples up to product placement in shops to seduce you into buying crap food that costs more than the healty stuff. There's so much where we have to change in order to address this issue and to turn things around.

I agree with you though there's no point in scaremongering and putting extra pressure on overweight and obese people during the pandemic. Yet nothing wrong with encouraging to loose weight and better start today than tomorrow. "

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