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"Hopefully not level 5 though" Definitely going to be level 3/4 country wide | |||
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"Ridiculous. Waterford has hardly any cases but we still have to be locked up because dublin has high numbers. " the population in Dublin is sometimes 10 times bigger than most counties... I don't think you can say its because of Dublin even in my county we are low but not everyone is sticking to rules. | |||
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"Ridiculous. Waterford has hardly any cases but we still have to be locked up because dublin has high numbers. the population in Dublin is sometimes 10 times bigger than most counties... I don't think you can say its because of Dublin even in my county we are low but not everyone is sticking to rules. " agree every county is breaking the rules selfish people that just dont care | |||
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"Ridiculous. Waterford has hardly any cases but we still have to be locked up because dublin has high numbers. " The idea behind going to a level 5 is to get the numbers so low that we have effectively contained the virus. There would be no point doing that in some counties and still have an active if low level of infection in less effective counties as it will eventually spread back to higher populated areas. | |||
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"Panic buying already going on in some supermarket. I really wonder about people" I don't, the average person is a selfish moron. | |||
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"My prediction is government will compromise at level 4. Are we still letting the Americans in? Also what's the story with the North? They had 4733 cases in the last 14 days, the Republic had 5099. Just by looking at those figures I can say the infection rate per 100'000 is way higher in Northern Ireland. So are they going into lockdown too? " and all the borders open.all airports open and all the docks open..letting in people from all over the world with no quarntine ..no one to keep check on people coming into the country..very little traceability..our government dont seem to care about the people that vote for them.. | |||
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"They made absolutely brilliant plan for living with Covid...lockdown, cases will probably drop down little bit, open everything again, then lockdown again...since when?? Well done Irish government...RIP Ireland " The biggest problem with the most basic of plans is no one follows them. The initial lockdown worked, it achieved its goal and laid out fairly simple measures of how we could hopefully stay open yet large sections of society did not follow these basic rules which could have avoided another lockdown. I was staying just outside Waterford last weekend, couple of days cycling to clear the head and with a lockdown looming I couldn't get my head around how many people in the locality were in shops without masks, staff with visors half up prepping food in 3 different coffee shops. Countless empty sanitizer units and not one shop had the facility to wipe down trolly or basket handles. Iike most could give countless examples where a little cop on could keep customers safer. I'm hoping the level 5 warning is a scare tactic but I doubt it. The general public are well capable of avoiding any level increase but people just don't seem to be bothered anymore. | |||
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"Nothing to do with borders being open, just take precautions, look after each other, stop bitching keep clean wear masks or this country will run out of money and will be even more on its knees than it is and will struggle to ever come back!" It sounds so simple, doesn't it, yet the average person can't seem to grasp it. | |||
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"Nothing to do with borders being open, just take precautions, look after each other, stop bitching keep clean wear masks or this country will run out of money and will be even more on its knees than it is and will struggle to ever come back!" There seem to be enough money for TDs to raise their paychecks, only to Shinners opposed, the rest opened merrily the wallets to receive . Doubtful that a lockdown will solve the issue . It may help with the symptoms but doesn’t solve the cause . One should start to make a statistic of all the casualties who died as collateral like suizides, untreated cancers and other medical issues and since everyone is so worried about all the people who may be at risk at the age of 80+ ( median age of corona fatalities ) seems we don’t care anymore about those dying for mentioned reason . I would not be surprised if the death toll due to Suizides , untreated cancer and other life threatening diseases is already outnumbering the COV19 fatalities | |||
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"Nothing to do with borders being open, just take precautions, look after each other, stop bitching keep clean wear masks or this country will run out of money and will be even more on its knees than it is and will struggle to ever come back! There seem to be enough money for TDs to raise their paychecks, only to Shinners opposed, the rest opened merrily the wallets to receive . Doubtful that a lockdown will solve the issue . It may help with the symptoms but doesn’t solve the cause . One should start to make a statistic of all the casualties who died as collateral like suizides, untreated cancers and other medical issues and since everyone is so worried about all the people who may be at risk at the age of 80+ ( median age of corona fatalities ) seems we don’t care anymore about those dying for mentioned reason . I would not be surprised if the death toll due to Suizides , untreated cancer and other life threatening diseases is already outnumbering the COV19 fatalities " I see your point but how do you deal with cancer patients or other life threatening diseases if covid-19 cases spiral and the hospitals get overwhelmed with covid-19 patients? Isn't | |||
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"Hopefully not level 5 though" Think they're have a deal done already with the government, playing a little game and will probably announce a level 3-4. Government trying to look like they are not being railroaded all the time  | |||
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"Nothing to do with borders being open, just take precautions, look after each other, stop bitching keep clean wear masks or this country will run out of money and will be even more on its knees than it is and will struggle to ever come back! There seem to be enough money for TDs to raise their paychecks, only to Shinners opposed, the rest opened merrily the wallets to receive . Doubtful that a lockdown will solve the issue . It may help with the symptoms but doesn’t solve the cause . One should start to make a statistic of all the casualties who died as collateral like suizides, untreated cancers and other medical issues and since everyone is so worried about all the people who may be at risk at the age of 80+ ( median age of corona fatalities ) seems we don’t care anymore about those dying for mentioned reason . I would not be surprised if the death toll due to Suizides , untreated cancer and other life threatening diseases is already outnumbering the COV19 fatalities I see your point but how do you deal with cancer patients or other life threatening diseases if covid-19 cases spiral and the hospitals get overwhelmed with covid-19 patients? Isn't " Are they overwhelmed or is it just based on a model computation ? At wave 1 when we all got bombarded with horrid COV 19 casualties - though the infection rate was high , at no time was the ICU capacity at a stretch . Not even 20 % . Now the ratio from contaminated people to hospitalized is not anywhere near where it was in Spring and even back then we talk in pro mille of total population Although everyone is talking about the second wave since May , what has been done to be prepared to deal with it , other than masks and hand wash . Has more qualified personal been hired in nursery homes and hospitals ? Has ICU capacity being increased to be prepared for the eventualities ? Or do we really believe we can manage all this just by more regulation and lock downs and face masks . That said - the true cost of all this - globally , will be beyond anything we can imagine But I get it , Ireland has no longer an elected government , this country is now ruled by a board of doctors and heath advisors - who „ only „ gave advice and will not take any liability on collateral damage born by this advice . And the government executing the advice is not taking any responsibility anyways for anything . So they got there mutual escape goat whilst the rest of the country is fucked with inconsistent decisions , half true statistics , an obsession with the growth number of infection instead of dealing with the number of sick. It’s a virus , it will stay - for a long time , no miraculous vaccine will solve it . We should start thinking how to live and organize our lives with it on the long run instead of wild conceptless actionism to scratch the surface to pretend : we do our best we can . Well , it feeds at least the narrative of the new global religious sect , the Witness Coronas, to be worried and fearsome BTW, interesting trend in Germany is that Undertaker industry is struggling to stay in business ....even with COV19 , total of people passing is decreasing | |||
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"Nothing to do with borders being open, just take precautions, look after each other, stop bitching keep clean wear masks or this country will run out of money and will be even more on its knees than it is and will struggle to ever come back! There seem to be enough money for TDs to raise their paychecks, only to Shinners opposed, the rest opened merrily the wallets to receive . Doubtful that a lockdown will solve the issue . It may help with the symptoms but doesn’t solve the cause . One should start to make a statistic of all the casualties who died as collateral like suizides, untreated cancers and other medical issues and since everyone is so worried about all the people who may be at risk at the age of 80+ ( median age of corona fatalities ) seems we don’t care anymore about those dying for mentioned reason . I would not be surprised if the death toll due to Suizides , untreated cancer and other life threatening diseases is already outnumbering the COV19 fatalities I see your point but how do you deal with cancer patients or other life threatening diseases if covid-19 cases spiral and the hospitals get overwhelmed with covid-19 patients? Isn't Are they overwhelmed or is it just based on a model computation ? At wave 1 when we all got bombarded with horrid COV 19 casualties - though the infection rate was high , at no time was the ICU capacity at a stretch . Not even 20 % . Now the ratio from contaminated people to hospitalized is not anywhere near where it was in Spring and even back then we talk in pro mille of total population Although everyone is talking about the second wave since May , what has been done to be prepared to deal with it , other than masks and hand wash . Has more qualified personal been hired in nursery homes and hospitals ? Has ICU capacity being increased to be prepared for the eventualities ? Or do we really believe we can manage all this just by more regulation and lock downs and face masks . That said - the true cost of all this - globally , will be beyond anything we can imagine But I get it , Ireland has no longer an elected government , this country is now ruled by a board of doctors and heath advisors - who „ only „ gave advice and will not take any liability on collateral damage born by this advice . And the government executing the advice is not taking any responsibility anyways for anything . So they got there mutual escape goat whilst the rest of the country is fucked with inconsistent decisions , half true statistics , an obsession with the growth number of infection instead of dealing with the number of sick. It’s a virus , it will stay - for a long time , no miraculous vaccine will solve it . We should start thinking how to live and organize our lives with it on the long run instead of wild conceptless actionism to scratch the surface to pretend : we do our best we can . Well , it feeds at least the narrative of the new global religious sect , the Witness Coronas, to be worried and fearsome BTW, interesting trend in Germany is that Undertaker industry is struggling to stay in business ....even with COV19 , total of people passing is decreasing " Interesting | |||
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"In fairness we can thank the good people that has been protesting, having wild house parties etc if we do go into level 5 retailers are gunna suffer alot and the cases hasn't really been coming from them" These same people, it'd be interesting to see if any actually got the virus, and whether they thought it was their right to receive the same HSE treatment as everybody else who has abided by the rules.... | |||
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" The HSE have had 6 months to ramp up for a second wave and guess what, there doesn't appear to be anywhere near the required capacity that would allow for a surge while the country tries to function alongside the virus. It's a cop out pure and simple. Incompetent management. 6 months to do what China did in 6 days and they couldn't. L" But the Chinese can't build the most expensive children's hospital ever  | |||
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" The HSE have had 6 months to ramp up for a second wave and guess what, there doesn't appear to be anywhere near the required capacity that would allow for a surge while the country tries to function alongside the virus. It's a cop out pure and simple. Incompetent management. 6 months to do what China did in 6 days and they couldn't. L But the Chinese can't build the most expensive children's hospital ever "  
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"Infections are higher now than ever so be hard to see how we can avoid another lockdown." Not infections. They are "cases". And "cases" are only positive test results. And these may contain a lot of "false positives" (old virus material) b/c 1% of the test results are likely these. If you are running 75-80,000 tests a week, then that's a lot of cases. | |||
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"Ridiculous. Waterford has hardly any cases but we still have to be locked up because dublin has high numbers. " Agreed - that's rubbish | |||
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"This needs to happen asap as far too many people just doing what they want to do and fuck everybody else " I guarantee you that if we lock down again and open up, the virus will return. It's endemic. Like any other coronavirus, and it's seasonal. Lockdown is a ridiculous strategy. And very dangerous. | |||
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" The HSE have had 6 months to ramp up for a second wave and guess what, there doesn't appear to be anywhere near the required capacity that would allow for a surge while the country tries to function alongside the virus. It's a cop out pure and simple. Incompetent management. 6 months to do what China did in 6 days and they couldn't. L But the Chinese can't build the most expensive children's hospital ever "You hero DH
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"In fairness we can thank the good people that has been protesting, having wild house parties etc if we do go into level 5 retailers are gunna suffer alot and the cases hasn't really been coming from them" It's beef barons and golfers who have a lot to answer for too. | |||
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"My prediction is government will compromise at level 4. Are we still letting the Americans in? Also what's the story with the North? They had 4733 cases in the last 14 days, the Republic had 5099. Just by looking at those figures I can say the infection rate per 100'000 is way higher in Northern Ireland. So are they going into lockdown too? and all the borders open.all airports open and all the docks open..letting in people from all over the world with no quarntine ..no one to keep check on people coming into the country..very little traceability..our government dont seem to care about the people that vote for them.." Foreign travel is a very small percentage of spread. It's mostly young folks and community transmission these days | |||
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"We lockdown, you'll lower cases, we open, theyll rise again. Covid is here and we have to live with it. Sweden are flying now after adopting a herd immunity mentality. We have rules in place here but everyone doesnt follow the rules. " Herd immunity...... Sweden has a large death rate,they basically left the old to die, Not a very good attitude to have twords their older generation... | |||
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"We lockdown, you'll lower cases, we open, theyll rise again. Covid is here and we have to live with it. Sweden are flying now after adopting a herd immunity mentality. We have rules in place here but everyone doesnt follow the rules. " No masks or lockdowns in Sweden - but people have been distancing. And generally living their lives. Lockdowns are absolutely disasterous and will murder our society, economy, community spiritual, emotional & mental health. The cure is worse than the disease. We need to copy Sweden - and fast. | |||
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"We lockdown, you'll lower cases, we open, theyll rise again. Covid is here and we have to live with it. Sweden are flying now after adopting a herd immunity mentality. We have rules in place here but everyone doesnt follow the rules. Herd immunity...... Sweden has a large death rate,they basically left the old to die, Not a very good attitude to have twords their older generation..." They didn't - they just had a lot of susceptible people in the preceding flu season who caught C19. They did make mistakes with care homes in Stockholm tho. Per 100,000, their death rate is lower than the UK. | |||
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"We lockdown, you'll lower cases, we open, theyll rise again. Covid is here and we have to live with it. Sweden are flying now after adopting a herd immunity mentality. We have rules in place here but everyone doesnt follow the rules. Herd immunity...... Sweden has a large death rate,they basically left the old to die, Not a very good attitude to have twords their older generation... They didn't - they just had a lot of susceptible people in the preceding flu season who caught C19. They did make mistakes with care homes in Stockholm tho. Per 100,000, their death rate is lower than the UK." Fair enough....your right | |||
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"Ridiculous. Waterford has hardly any cases but we still have to be locked up because dublin has high numbers. " Totally agree hun xx | |||
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"Looks like the gov are rejecting the level 5 recommendation but moving everyone to level 3 instead. " Yes. And it's bound to bring friction even though it's just advisory. | |||
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" The HSE have had 6 months to ramp up for a second wave and guess what, there doesn't appear to be anywhere near the required capacity that would allow for a surge while the country tries to function alongside the virus. It's a cop out pure and simple. Incompetent management. 6 months to do what China did in 6 days and they couldn't. L But the Chinese can't build the most expensive children's hospital ever "very well said..dearest hospital in the world.. | |||
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"Looks like the gov are rejecting the level 5 recommendation but moving everyone to level 3 instead. " Thank God they pushed NPHET back. COMPLETELY unfair on a lot of counties tho - so it's disgraceful nonetheless. | |||
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"In fairness we can thank the good people that has been protesting, having wild house parties etc if we do go into level 5 retailers are gunna suffer alot and the cases hasn't really been coming from them It's beef barons and golfers who have a lot to answer for too." and all the billions this country spends every year for the last 60 years on dept of agri vets and the bovine TB industry..billons and billions | |||
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"Every county going to level 3 is ridiculous. Some counties have little or no cases. Sweden are flying after going with the herd immunity approach. The restricted lives approach is grand for a time being but not long term. It's going to seriously affect people. " The problem here is that we've underfunded the health service for so long that the herd immunity approach here would be a disaster. Lockdowns are all our government have to try to tackle the problem and they even do those half arsed. I'd imagine that we're basically fucked for a few years at least. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 06/10/20 12:32:47]" I genuinely don't think we've underfunded the HSE I do think its extremely badly run from the top down | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 06/10/20 12:32:47] I genuinely don't think we've underfunded the HSE I do think its extremely badly run from the top down " Either way I don't believe we'd cope with a herd immunity approach. The only reason we were somewhat on top of it at the start was because of the initial lockdown | |||
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"Every county going to level 3 is ridiculous. Some counties have little or no cases. Sweden are flying after going with the herd immunity approach. The restricted lives approach is grand for a time being but not long term. It's going to seriously affect people. " Sweden is far away from herd immunity, paid a high death toll so far and has rising figures too. But just read that the swedes have already installed in almost all school rooms air filters, imagine that here where most schools have not even hot water coming out of the tap. And for sure if our government would attempt such they would make a huge mess of it with a tender going to Denis O'Brien for triple the amount of money and installation beginning when the pandemic is over with the end result of them never working properly. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 06/10/20 12:32:47] I genuinely don't think we've underfunded the HSE I do think its extremely badly run from the top down " total agree with this, it's not about money, its's about attitudes | |||
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"Every county going to level 3 is ridiculous. Some counties have little or no cases. Sweden are flying after going with the herd immunity approach. The restricted lives approach is grand for a time being but not long term. It's going to seriously affect people. Sweden is far away from herd immunity, paid a high death toll so far and has rising figures too. But just read that the swedes have already installed in almost all school rooms air filters, imagine that here where most schools have not even hot water coming out of the tap. And for sure if our government would attempt such they would make a huge mess of it with a tender going to Denis O'Brien for triple the amount of money and installation beginning when the pandemic is over with the end result of them never working properly. "sweden are one of the best countries around with a while and on the green travel list. The government here just make it up as they move along. Initially they said level ment serving indoors with added restrictions in restaurants and pubs. They are now saying everyone outdoors with a max of 15 people. Putting the whole country into level 3 is wrong. Some should still be at 2, some at 3 and some at 4 or 5 | |||
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