FabSwingers.com forum: Have we gone to far

By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

Removing movies and tv series due to content knocking down statues and removing commemoration plaques have we gone to far

These are part of out history that we can't deny but removing them and rewriting the history books does this leave us open to repeat history

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By *hoenix-risingMan
over a year ago

Co.Down

"Removing movies and tv series due to content knocking down statues and removing commemoration plaques have we gone to far

These are part of out history that we can't deny but removing them and rewriting the history books does this leave us open to repeat history "

Too* far!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too far

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

I guess we have

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I can actually understand the removal of certain statues but they shouldn't be destroyed but put into museums

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

"I can actually understand the removal of certain statues but they shouldn't be destroyed but put into museums

I fear if we forget out history (mankind's history)we are doomed to repeat it at least if these things are there that younger generations ask what did they do they will learn the errors of others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What statues?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"What statues?

I was going to ask that as well. Nelson is the most recent one I can think of and I have no particular problem with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What statues?

I was going to ask that as well. Nelson is the most recent one I can think of and I have no particular problem with that. "

Must be Phil Lynott or Joe Dolan?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brushing thing's under the carpet does not hide the fact that they happened, Ireland should know this well with everything that happened with the Catholic church in the past. Statue's I think not as slave traders should never have been glorified in the first place and it's time to get rid of them. But removing movie's, music and even changing band name's has definitely all gone too far imo. Even gone with the wind has been removed that's a classic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Father Matthew in Cork... being a member of the temperance movement he was against the black stuff.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Father Matthew in Cork... being a member of the temperance movement he was against the black stuff."

Who moved it?

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By *ofusplusCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

As far as I know, those tv episodes have only been removed to put footnotes at the relevant sections, disclaimers if you like and they're being put back again.

And poor Eamon Ryan shouldn't have used the N word in the Dail chamber, but he shouldn't have been lambasted either, he was only quoting someone. The world is gone PC mad imo. We are afraid now of offending our big toe

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

I was thinking more of the ones in Irish schools and even The Dail.

The holy statues I dont know enough about the statue throw in the harbour in Bristol but was he a slave trader ...petitions were raised by locals for a while and for it to be put in a museum but they were ignored

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By *ashy85Man
over a year ago

Waterford

I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Father Matthew in Cork... being a member of the temperance movement he was against the black stuff.

Who moved it? "

God.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I was thinking more of the ones in Irish schools and even The Dail.

What ones in schools though? Also what statues have been removed from the Dáil?

I've heard numerous people talking about statues being moved because of offence being caused to "others" but it is mostly complete bollix. A handful of grottos and the like have been removed over the last few decades simply because those institutions are no longer being run by religious organisations, and I consider that a positive.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks? "

Some statues were placed not out of respect at the time but our of a desire to remind people who was in charge. I have no problem with such statues being removed. I'm not sure there's many of those left now though.

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By *ashy85Man
over a year ago

Waterford

"I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks?

Ya I wouldn't say there is much in ireland but England have a few I didn't agree with the Churchill one being sprayed

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks?

Ya I wouldn't say there is much in ireland but England have a few I didn't agree with the Churchill one being sprayed "

Well he was one of the most racist prime ministers they ever had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was statues in Ballinaspittle that kept moving themselves..

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

"I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks?

I am talking more worldwide Mick not just local

Theres talks of removing christopher columbus statues and plaques for his part in genocide of american native populations.

But if that is the case should we not remove all statues of military personal and freedom fighters, world leaders for the wrongs they committed i am sure we find some skeletons in every body's closets

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

Yes we have gone too far. A simple warning similar to those used already for violance or sex would be enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait until Fr Ted is removed from Channel 4 for the "I am Chineese of you please" episode.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you check black twitter/Insta/news feeds there's actually quite a lot of discussion about this.

Primarily about how the BLM movement never asked, nor wants those pieces of entertainment removed. That's it's actually white affiliated, managed or owned companies fearing negative association or backlash from hosting, advertising or displaying openly racist material.

In other words, honkey is panicking about the bottom line.

BLM and other protests are about ending the systemic racism in our contemporary culture, not putting blinkers on or altering the past.

The removal or vandalism of statues isn't about denying that part of history, it's about acknowledging that the individuals depicted built their legacy of the backs of slavery and human suffering.

Ask any Irish person would they like a statue of Oliver Cromwell on their main street and compare the response to a English person.

Dunno why the fuck anyone would want a statue of facists, racists or slave traders anyways.

Why not a statue of Hitler? (horrible bastard but look how he revived German nationalism)

A statue of Epstein? (sex abuser sure, but helluva businessman)

Or Rolf Harris? (pedo... But man can he wobble a sheet of cardboard)

Same thing - despite the many achievements of the individual depicted, if they built their fortunes, their reputation or their legacies on a foundation of bloody and broken black backs - they shouldn't be immortalised in stone or steel in a public area where people's descendants are forced to be reminded of how little history regards them.

Too far? Not far enough.

Fucking religion is next.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I agree with removing some statues (some guys really don't deserve to be on a pedestal) the rest is all cosmetics, a convenient distraction while the proper issues such as social injustice isn't addressed at all as usual.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
over a year ago

East / North, Cork

"Fucking religion is next.

Oh PLEASE let that be true

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

"I get it honky is getting worried and do agree they are fearing the impact on the bottom line

A lot of these statutes are historical for different reasons yes they may have funded it trough slavery and that needs to be highlighted but to hide them away i fear they will be forgotten and the sins repeated

Its a pity we don't have the same reaction to the high street stores making profits off child labour in foreign parts or regimes that treat women as second class citizens

These are the forms of modern slavery we can impact and prevent a rebellion in 200 years "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I get it honky is getting worried and do agree they are fearing the impact on the bottom line

Its a pity we don't have the same reaction to the high street stores making profits off child labour in foreign parts or regimes that treat women as second class citizens

These are the forms of modern slavery we can impact and prevent a rebellion in 200 years "

Dude, nobody's forgetting Hitler.

But I concur.... The modern slave trade us alive and well.

One thing at a time.

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By *j47 OP Man
over a year ago

limerick

"I get it honky is getting worried and do agree they are fearing the impact on the bottom line

Its a pity we don't have the same reaction to the high street stores making profits off child labour in foreign parts or regimes that treat women as second class citizens

These are the forms of modern slavery we can impact and prevent a rebellion in 200 years

Dude, nobody's forgetting Hitler.

But I concur.... The modern slave trade us alive and well.

One thing at a time.

Or what he done and that we can't change or impact the lives of those he impacted but we can impact on the lives of the child labouers and those that are treated as a lower class than the people that control their lives.

We can make all lives matter by the choices we make in our every day shopping and choices we make

One thing at a time is right but lets make it one thing that impacts the present that can influence the future

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I don't think any statues should be taken down it's history that we can't change weather we like it or not.

I suppose I'll be a racist over this one but what about the movie White Chicks?

I am talking more worldwide Mick not just local

Theres talks of removing christopher columbus statues and plaques for his part in genocide of american native populations.

I don't view us as one homogenous mass so I'd say it's up to individual countries what they keep or remove and not really the business of anyone else. If some other country removes a statue of Christopher Columbus then it's no skin off my nose and no reflection of my history.

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By *oxic1998Woman
over a year ago

Belfast

"I get it honky is getting worried and do agree they are fearing the impact on the bottom line

Its a pity we don't have the same reaction to the high street stores making profits off child labour in foreign parts or regimes that treat women as second class citizens

These are the forms of modern slavery we can impact and prevent a rebellion in 200 years

Dude, nobody's forgetting Hitler.

But I concur.... The modern slave trade us alive and well.

One thing at a time.

Then should we not be concentrating on now rather than wiping out our past

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By *obshortMan
over a year ago

Cork

Way way to far. PC gone mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fucking religion is next.

Oh PLEASE let that be true"

Jeeze I hope so. The amount of time humanity has wasted in that Bronze age mythology rubbish.

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By *iquidRavenMan
over a year ago

Dublin

"If you check black twitter/Insta/news feeds there's actually quite a lot of discussion about this.

In other words, honkey is panicking about the bottom line.

BLM and other protests are about ending the systemic racism in our contemporary culture, not putting blinkers on or altering the past.

The removal or vandalism of statues isn't about denying that part of history, it's about acknowledging that the individuals depicted built their legacy of the backs of slavery and human suffering.

Ask any Irish person would they like a statue of Oliver Cromwell on their main street and compare the response to a English person.

Dunno why the fuck anyone would want a statue of facists, racists or slave traders anyways.

Why not a statue of Hitler? (horrible bastard but look how he revived German nationalism)

A statue of Epstein? (sex abuser sure, but helluva businessman)

Or Rolf Harris? (pedo... But man can he wobble a sheet of cardboard)

Too far? Not far enough.

Fucking religion is next.

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By *eeperscreepersMan
over a year ago

Tipp

In short, yes

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Definitely yes

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Removing movies and tv series due to content knocking down statues and removing commemoration plaques have we gone to far

These are part of out history that we can't deny but removing them and rewriting the history books does this leave us open to repeat history "

Yea it's gone crazy.. History cannot be changed so getting rid of statues and a few episodes of well known shows won't change anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To see Robert E Lees statue removed broke my heart a little as a student of history... a man who of his time and one who fought for the South during the American Civil War, but still the same time after the war , when forced to free his slaves had them all paid a fair wage so they could stay in, at their own behest by all accounts..

Own your history, don’t sweep it under the rug.. and then we wonder why we make the same mistakes over and over

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Apparently they want to rename every GAA team in the country that bears the name John Mitchel as he advocated slavery many years ago and was a fervent racist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about pudding?

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

"What about pudding?

I only eat white pudding with my fry ....are you saying i have to have black also now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about pudding?

I only eat white pudding with my fry ....are you saying i have to have black also now "

Kaizer is uncomfortable by your words Bogman

Can we not call it pudding 1 and pudding 2 please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about pudding?

I only eat white pudding with my fry ....are you saying i have to have black also now "

And yes

You cannot excluded pudding 2 going forward otherwise you are prejudicially making a choice based on appearance!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Way i see it is we destroyed the old british admiral statue on O connell street because it was a symbol of tyrannie

And if there was a movie showing irish being happy under british rule id have a problom with it being false.

I dont see them denying history like some people

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By *illium_cobblersMan
over a year ago

swords EI & Derby UK

All thats happening is a new bunch of thugs are picking what we do.

Don’t get me wrong im not on a “side” here but mob rule on any side is not the way to do things....

An enlightened society would be a real utopia

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