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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. " We all need human interaction and I'm not just talking about sex. I'm hoping that it will get to the point were we can still socially distance but maybe have an inner circle of people we trust and can make physical contact with. This may include people like our parents but also a lover. There will always be some risk but reduced enough. The alternative is a heap of mental health difficulties | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. We all need human interaction and I'm not just talking about sex. I'm hoping that it will get to the point were we can still socially distance but maybe have an inner circle of people we trust and can make physical contact with. This may include people like our parents but also a lover. There will always be some risk but reduced enough. The alternative is a heap of mental health difficulties" I think you're right and your idea is a good one. A tight inner circle and keep it to those you love. Once outside that circle members must be careful and take responsibility in their daily interactions. L | |||
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"All the single people out there not only on here, shall be practicing social distancing for the next 5 years until a vaccine is found........ no more dating. Yea like that's going to happen. "  | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. We all need human interaction and I'm not just talking about sex. I'm hoping that it will get to the point were we can still socially distance but maybe have an inner circle of people we trust and can make physical contact with. This may include people like our parents but also a lover. There will always be some risk but reduced enough. The alternative is a heap of mental health difficulties I think you're right and your idea is a good one. A tight inner circle and keep it to those you love. Once outside that circle members must be careful and take responsibility in their daily interactions. L" Better get working on this inner circle | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. " Get a dog It will be a more substantial giving relationship than most human ones And wank Story of my life right there and Hal's recipe for happiness | |||
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"People are having sex outside of fab too OP, and I bet that won't stop any time soon. Can you really see, say college students, all turning celibate or even monogamous." Down with that sort of thing! | |||
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"People are having sex outside of fab too OP, and I bet that won't stop any time soon. Can you really see, say college students, all turning celibate or even monogamous. Down with that sort of thing! "My own children never would, obviously | |||
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"Small circle of friends who only play with each other might be a very good option, even one regular partner might be accepted as ok. Personal choice for everyone I suppose everyone has the choice....." Ah, the old circle of trusted friends lol | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. Get a dog It will be a more substantial giving relationship than most human ones And wank Story of my life right there and Hal's recipe for happiness" Last time I checked I didn't have a penis  | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. Get a dog It will be a more substantial giving relationship than most human ones And wank Story of my life right there and Hal's recipe for happiness Last time I checked I didn't have a penis "When was this?  | |||
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"People are having sex outside of fab too OP, and I bet that won't stop any time soon. Can you really see, say college students, all turning celibate or even monogamous." This issue is I think that people think life will return to normal but there is going to be a new normal For example Students starting College this year will probably have a very different experience all learning done online College bars closed no student events except virtual ones No sitting for an hour or two over a cup of coffee you will get your 15 minutes then the next person in the queue is let in possibly same for bars It could be a very interesting new world.... hope I am wrong | |||
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"People are having sex outside of fab too OP, and I bet that won't stop any time soon. Can you really see, say college students, all turning celibate or even monogamous. This issue is I think that people think life will return to normal but there is going to be a new normal For example Students starting College this year will probably have a very different experience all learning done online College bars closed no student events except virtual ones No sitting for an hour or two over a cup of coffee you will get your 15 minutes then the next person in the queue is let in possibly same for bars It could be a very interesting new world.... hope I am wrong " One of mine has already decided to take the year out, can't say I blame him. But do you really think students won't have house parties? "Prinking" was the norm for them anyway due to the cost of drink in pubs and clubs, then a crowd going back to someone's accommodation afterwards. | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. " You are right, I did non meet on fab, but im interacting with all my friends, dance, have sex with people that I know... And honestly i prefer to have the virus rather than living permanently in lockdown.... | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. Get a dog It will be a more substantial giving relationship than most human ones And wank Story of my life right there and Hal's recipe for happiness Last time I checked I didn't have a penis
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"People take calculated risks all the time, meeting will be no differant. In the North we are still apparantly on lockdown, but the roads are busier, social distancing in smaller shops is pretty much non existant, it's slowly returning to normal. People will be meeting sooner than you might think" In Intensive Care Units of hospitals... | |||
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"People take calculated risks all the time, meeting will be no differant. In the North we are still apparantly on lockdown, but the roads are busier, social distancing in smaller shops is pretty much non existant, it's slowly returning to normal. People will be meeting sooner than you might think In Intensive Care Units of hospitals..." I'm not saying that it's correct, I'm saying it's what will happen. | |||
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"There's no way in hell ppl will live without sex for years it's bad enough now... I reckon we will all have to live with this new situation and be extremely cautious .....but no sex till a vaccine is ridiculous .... Who's to say every one would get vaccinated anyway ?" Exactly  | |||
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"Nobody can meet other people for fun until were all vaccinated, probably a year or two of social distancing will be our new normal maybe longer..... Views ???? "If you think people will wait that long you are deluded. There will be far more going on than whats posted on here. | |||
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"So you are going to keep meeting people. How do you evaluate that people are safe to meet ?? They could be lying, would you be devastated if you caught Covid from a meet up ??" The same way the majority of people in the real world evaluate people for STI's. They dont! | |||
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"So you are going to keep meeting people. How do you evaluate that people are safe to meet ?? They could be lying, would you be devastated if you caught Covid from a meet up ??" Never mentioned anything about myself. People are meeting they just won't broadcast it on here as its still against fab guidlines. If you are asking am I going to meet again when the relevant authorities say I can, then yes. | |||
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"So you are going to keep meeting people. How do you evaluate that people are safe to meet ?? They could be lying, would you be devastated if you caught Covid from a meet up ?? The same way the majority of people in the real world evaluate people for STI's. They dont!" The majority? How does one evaluate a meet for STIs? Unless they've been in solitary confinement since their last test (in fact probably two), a clear test result means jack. | |||
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"No, if you have any sense, you look at your circumstances and your risks. Factors like your own health and the people you live with. Its basic risk assessment. I am speaking as someone who hasnt had any contact with anyone outside my house in 9 weeks. " Why? If the offical authority lift the legislation on the current situation and it is deemed safe then what is stopping people from meeting. If you are following your own rules and self isolating beyond that time then thats entirely your own opinion. I fail to see what 9 weeks with no contact with anyone outside has to do with it. Its the same rules for most at the moment. | |||
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"Nobody can meet other people for fun until were all vaccinated, probably a year or two of social distancing will be our new normal maybe longer..... Views ???? "Is this a new fab rule or government law that we don't know about OP? Where did you find this information please? | |||
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"The deputy chief medical officer was on the radio this morning saying that the fastest ever vaccine produced was the ebola vaccine which took 5 years to become widely available. He suggested that 10 to 15 years is a more likely timeframe for a vaccine for Covid-19. " So are you going to self isolate for the next 10 to 15 years until a suitable vaccine is developed? | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week "Important to note, not fab related | |||
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"But it's not possible... Like I totally went into lockdown mode etc... but I am also single and even tho sex can be pushed aside human intimate interaction cant.. not good for mental health also a life with no football or any social events isnt possible We need proper human interaction to sustain ourselves. Get a dog It will be a more substantial giving relationship than most human ones And wank Story of my life right there and Hal's recipe for happiness" Wank the dog! | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week "Then you've broken the site terms and conditions. | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week
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Why do you feel its important to note that "I was just going to ask the same question. It's like saying yeah, I shot him but in fairness I used some one else's gun. We've have about 5 meet requests from couples and singles in the last two weeks. People are going to meet, simple as that. I totally get it and its just another aspect of personal safety and hygiene that is going to become a part of life. Still couldn't consider meeting until risk is consistently low | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week
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Why do you feel its important to note that "I'd say he is noting it because Fab meets are not allowed right now. He's afraid you might spank him Lolly  | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week
Then you've broken the site terms and conditions. "It's a trusted partner that that I know is taking all precautions to stay safe as I am, we are also tested regularly for work reasons, my point it it's not a random hook up and yes theres still risks, but life will have to return to some sort of normality and eventually... | |||
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"I wonder have many people are already getting in a sneaky shag here and there? I'm sure there's loads but just wont say it here... I have to admit I did last week
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Why do you feel its important to note that
I'd say he is noting it because Fab meets are not allowed right now.
He's afraid you might spank him Lolly "Er...........nooooooooooo spanking there my friend | |||
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"The deputy chief medical officer was on the radio this morning saying that the fastest ever vaccine produced was the ebola vaccine which took 5 years to become widely available. He suggested that 10 to 15 years is a more likely timeframe for a vaccine for Covid-19. " By that point herd immunity will have well taken hold if that's the case. Granted I didn't hear the broadcast you're referring to but everything before that was suggesting a vaccine within a 2 year time frame. That was on multiple medical sites. As for meeting, people already are. Meeting people you trust and have already met makes absolutely zero sense at all. Your trusted friends could be out doing their weekly shop and come into contact with the virus. It's as easy as that. People will go back meeting whether there is a vaccine or not. It's a matter of when, not if. It's going to fall into each individuals or couples lap and they will make their own decision on what they want to do and weigh the risks. We aren't meeting currently and don't intend to. Will we be waiting to meet for 2 years, highly unlikely. | |||
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"Nobody can meet other people for fun until were all vaccinated, probably a year or two of social distancing will be our new normal maybe longer..... Views ???? "Its defo the new norm, tho some continued to meet throughout the lockdown , mental health is going to be a huge problem if folks dont get into some form of human interaction , realisticaly a vaccine is probably 2 years off tho some will say its longer , | |||
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"Nobody can meet other people for fun until were all vaccinated, probably a year or two of social distancing will be our new normal maybe longer..... Views ???? "Yeah and bin laden isn’t even really dead ..... give over. | |||
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"Yes fair enough, will you adjust your meets, like no kissing, extra hygiene measures etc..." Why no kissing??? ur going to stick ur cock in her all be it gloved up but still body fluids are going to on each others skin Just asking | |||
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"The chances are you are not going to die from covid 19 anyway. The same thing happened with the aids scare I remember back in mid 80s. Lots of scare mongering" Unbelievable Jeff..... Surely this is a joke | |||
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"Surely it is up to every person what they are comfortable with themselves" agreed.
Why can't CV19 be added to the standard STI test too, for surety, or as close as it gets to it. | |||
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"Surely it is up to every person what they are comfortable with themselves agreed.
Why can't CV19 be added to the standard STI test too, for surety, or as close as it gets to it."They do not have the proper tests yet
Check it out on YT when Tanzanian president who is also a scientist said that they did the swab tests (pcr) and they haven't been accurate: swab test done on animals, fruits and human. I thought he is joking but was recently hospitalised and doctors told me they don't trust these tests. They do trust the diagnostic: measuring temp, observing the symptoms, etc
Fact is that vaccine wouldn't do anything than harm us. Why? Flu virus mutates same way as covid so there is no point. What can save us is good hygiene habits, diet, health checkups to monitor vitamin d3, b12 deficiency.
Elderly people always have been in the high risk group. Vaccine might have a sense only if provided without poison ingredients.
Its cheaper and safer to get natural immunisation instead of taking the artificial.
My parents are in the risk group but told they wouldn't take a shot before their blood sample wouldn't be checked for antibodies.
We carry thousands of bacterias and viruses on / in our bodies and our body works as a big computer and if there is an inflamation, automatically starts producing the cells to fight with the infection. Thats why is very important to avoid adding extra stuff like formaldehyde or aluminium from the vaccine shot altogether with the bacteria or virus dna. It will be too much for our body which is able to fight with given virus/ bacteria but totally weak afterwsrd to deal with additional ingredients.
Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities.
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"Sounds like cold vanilla sex meets, no kissing etc, not for most people on here... but is it better than nothing?" Vanilla sex doesn't mean no kissing you loon. Also I don't think not kissing while riding someone sideways will stop spreading it. If you believe that, there's a bridge crossing the Liffy I'd like to sell you. | |||
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"Check it out on YT when Tanzanian president who is also a scientist said.." Aaaaaand im out | |||
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"Check it out on YT when Tanzanian president who is also a scientist said.. Aaaaaand im out" My fooking god... vaccines are bad | |||
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The comparison to STDs is kinda redundant. If I and an informed consenting partner decided to take a risk and engage in unprotected sex, ending up with a dose of chlamydia and I go and hug my parents 3 days later, they're not likely to end up in an ICU on a ventilator struggling to live.
That's the risk with Coronavirus.
To those saying that everyone will make a personal risk assessment and do their own thing, yeah I see how that's appealing... But people can't be trusted to do their own risk assessments. Witness the London bridge at 8pm every Thursday. Look at Cheltenham. Look at the prick who was driving cross country to collect a trampoline. We all think we risk assess but we're not very good at it. I'm currently required to travel the country for work and I'm still taken aback at how cavalier both my (government) job are and the general populace is.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm a keen as anyone to get back to the good old days. I live alone and it's been a long while since another human being has touched me. I'd love to have a naughty night in a hotel or be headed to a party or event...
But as it stands, currently, I personally wouldn't be comfortable attending anything Fab related. Now that could change tomorrow if restrictions are relaxed or the phases are fast tracked.
Right now we're doing exceptionally well and I think we can stay the course.
Perhaps by July... I'm hoping July... for meets and smaller parties.
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"Check it out on YT when Tanzanian president who is also a scientist said.. Aaaaaand im out" 
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. " Did I just read that? | |||
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that? " likewise! | |||
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"No, if you have any sense, you look at your circumstances and your risks. Factors like your own health and the people you live with. Its basic risk assessment. I am speaking as someone who hasnt had any contact with anyone outside my house in 9 weeks. " Agreed, its an assessment of risk factors in the same way you asses a profile. Are these a couple?, are they FWB, are they genuine etc etc We have to look at the stats of it. We do not have that much better death per million than Sweden(317 against 371) has as of today. There will be more deaths on non C19 related issues than C19 itself. The average age of person dying is 82 which average life expectancy in Ireland. We are a family with cocooning parent. We take responsibility for keeping them safe but we gotta think about wider issues now. | |||
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"There will be more deaths on non C19 related issues than C19 itself. " Really? You don't say! What a revelation! Of course more people die from non-C19 issues. The problem is that C19 deaths are ADDITIONAL deaths and completely avoidable deaths. And most other forms of the type of death we're discussing (old age, road deaths, suicide, substance abuse) aren't contagious. Coronavirus is. | |||
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" Agreed, its an assessment of risk factors in the same way you asses a profile. Are these a couple?, are they FWB, are they genuine etc etc " And again this is an inaccurate way of looking at it.... You can successfully assess a profile sure... But if you meet a couple and fuck one another you're not potentially bringing home a disease you can pass to your community by breathing on them. With Coronavirus you are.... The comparison to assessing coronavirus by way of assessing STD risk or meet risk is a complete fallacy. They're not comparable. It's like comparing driving a car to driving a 747,it seems like because of they're both man made vehicles that carry passengers that we can argue that they're comparable, but they're not. The differences out weigh the similarities. The rules are different. It's a different game. It's not about taking responsibility for yourself and judging your own risk. It's about listening to the risk you pose to the community. | |||
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We've heard community transmission has been all but eliminated.
Any pockets of infection they know of can be immediately traced and explained.
So meeting people should be ok after the next 2 to 3 weeks....
The real problem is with flights coming in from anywhere and starting us all off once again (I'm especially concerned about the North and the UK)...
But if community transmission has been eradicated I think we're good to go.
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that?
likewise!"This is the scary part of our society, many many people believe this... I'm shocked and abhorred in equal measures. This is so wrong | |||
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that?
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This is the scary part of our society, many many people believe this... I'm shocked and abhorred in equal measures. This is so wrong "Its fookin terrifying. | |||
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We've heard community transmission has been all but eliminated.
Any pockets of infection they know of can be immediately traced and explained.
So meeting people should be ok after the next 2 to 3 weeks....
The real problem is with flights coming in from anywhere and starting us all off once again (I'm especially concerned about the North and the UK)...
But if community transmission has been eradicated I think we're good to go.
I can't see how they won't fast track the phases now.... "After all the talk you gave us further up, suddenly it's safe to meet because 'we've heard' community transmission has been eliminated. Who's we? And where has 'we' this information from? Anyhow community transmission or not as long as Covid-19 is around there's always a rest risk involved in our actions we have to live with (assess) if you like it or not. | |||
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" After all the talk you gave us further up, suddenly it's safe to meet because 'we've heard' community transmission has been eliminated. Who's we? And where has 'we' this information from? Anyhow community transmission or not as long as Covid-19 is around there's always a rest risk involved in our actions we have to live with (assess) if you like it or not." All talk offered is opinion. I'm not a medical expert. And as for where "we" heard it from and from whom, it was from Dr. Holohan (chief medical officer for the Department of Health and chair of NPHET) in a submission to the Dail. "In broad terms, we have effectively extinguished it from the community in general, right across the country. Much of the caseload that is now being reported is seen in the context of particular settings. We are still seeing some positive numbers in residential care facilities, though the number has reduced very substantially, and in some occupational settings." "We" got this information as sittings of the Dail are a matter of public record and are widely reported on in the media. So yeah, that part is not my opinion but that of Dr. Holohan, who, I must concede, is probably more knowledgeable and informed than I am on the subject. | |||
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" After all the talk you gave us further up, suddenly it's safe to meet because 'we've heard' community transmission has been eliminated. Who's we? And where has 'we' this information from? Anyhow community transmission or not as long as Covid-19 is around there's always a rest risk involved in our actions we have to live with (assess) if you like it or not. All talk offered is opinion. I'm not a medical expert. And as for where "we" heard it from and from whom, it was from Dr. Holohan (chief medical officer for the Department of Health and chair of NPHET) in a submission to the Dail. "In broad terms, we have effectively extinguished it from the community in general, right across the country. Much of the caseload that is now being reported is seen in the context of particular settings. We are still seeing some positive numbers in residential care facilities, though the number has reduced very substantially, and in some occupational settings." "We" got this information as sittings of the Dail are a matter of public record and are widely reported on in the media. So yeah, that part is not my opinion but that of Dr. Holohan, who, I must concede, is probably more knowledgeable and informed than I am on the subject. "Thank you, that answers the question of 'we'. While the bit of it being soon safe to meet because community transmission has been eliminated is your interpretation or let's call it risk assessment. You've to admit that as long as covid-19 is around there's no 100% guarantee. So it is down to each person to decide whether or not they want to engage in meets by assessing the risks involved. | |||
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" Thank you, that answers the question of 'we'. While the bit of it being soon safe to meet because community transmission has been eliminated is your interpretation or let's call it risk assessment. You've to admit that as long as covid-19 is around there's no 100% guarantee. So it is down to each person to decide whether or not they want to engage in meets by assessing the risks involved. " I actually don't know. 
I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
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I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
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I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
I can survive without sex for the time being. It's not that big a deal. "1 question. You work around a large number of people. You say you have a potential to pass it on to them if you get it. It means that one of them 200 are able to pass it on to you also. Going by your logic and your phrase repeated time and time again "covid is not like sti, I can pass it to my mother through being around her" you claim it is safer to work around 200 people than have sex with 1-2. To be 100% safe on this - neither you or your mother should ever leave the house till either vaccine is invented or every single carrier symptomatic or not will be virus free. Also, you have previously claimed that to protect yourself and others you wear condoms. Do you wash your hands thoroughly between touching multiple partners in a group sex scenario too? Do you use mouthwash between performing oral sex on multiple partners? I don't think so. So please, calm down and stop putting others down for their own personal choices. Missus. | |||
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I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
I can survive without sex for the time being. It's not that big a deal.
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I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
I can survive without sex for the time being. It's not that big a deal.
1 question.
You work around a large number of people. You say you have a potential to pass it on to them if you get it.
It means that one of them 200 are able to pass it on to you also.
Going by your logic and your phrase repeated time and time again "covid is not like sti, I can pass it to my mother through being around her" you claim it is safer to work around 200 people than have sex with 1-2.
To be 100% safe on this - neither you or your mother should ever leave the house till either vaccine is invented or every single carrier symptomatic or not will be virus free.
Also, you have previously claimed that to protect yourself and others you wear condoms. Do you wash your hands thoroughly between touching multiple partners in a group sex scenario too? Do you use mouthwash between performing oral sex on multiple partners?
I don't think so. So please, calm down and stop putting others down for their own personal choices.
Missus. "I don't see it as a put down on peoples personal choices he just pointing out the rate of infection of an sti is totally different from the rate of infection from corona there for u can't compare them In actual fact his posts being nothing but informative and clear as to how he forming his opinion | |||
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I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
I can survive without sex for the time being. It's not that big a deal. "Well said my man | |||
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" Thank you, that answers the question of 'we'. While the bit of it being soon safe to meet because community transmission has been eliminated is your interpretation or let's call it risk assessment. You've to admit that as long as covid-19 is around there's no 100% guarantee. So it is down to each person to decide whether or not they want to engage in meets by assessing the risks involved. I actually don't know.
I'm not informed or knowledgeable enough to make that kind of decision...
I hope that things can be expedited with the good news I quoted above, but there are a plethora of differing factors that make it especially hard to predict, at least from my perspective.
For instance, I personally know several health care workers on this site, if we had a gathering of 12 people and one of these people is a healthcare worker and is infected (he chooses not to disclose or lies about his profession) and we engage in group sex we then have 11 more cases of infection. If those eleven cases have families of an average of 4 members we now have 44 more cases. I work with large numbers of people, I personally have the potential to infect upwards of 200. That's where my concern stems from.
All this talk about "trusted partners"... There's people who can spread the virus who are totally asymptomatic. It's not like an STI because to catch an STI you have to have sex. With Coronavirus you need only be in proximity to someone for approximately 15 minutes and chances are you've passed it. And once again for the people in the back, my dose of herpes is unlikely to infect my mother, unless we have a REALLY weird relationship. With Coronavirus it can be easily spread to my mother, who then, being over 60 with an underlying health condition, is at serious fatal risk.
People will say, "Oh but then that's your risk so you choose not to meet", but then what about the shop assistant who contracts Coronavirus from a meet and passes it to my mother while she shops.....?
To be clear, I'm not advocating for one side or the other.... The only thing I'd encourage is extreme caution.
For me, personally, there's too many variables, at present, to risk a Fab meet.
I can survive without sex for the time being. It's not that big a deal. "Social distancing will stay in place as long there's the threat of covid-19. Going by that you shouldn't meet anyone for sex for the time being except your partner living in the same household if you have one. Yet it's unrealistic to think that all people will sexually abstain until vaccine day. So if you choose to have sex you will have to make a risk assessment. The risk assessment is a layered one, in a first round people have to decide which of the reopening phases they consider the right one to do so. In a second round they've to decide who they meet and in which setting. To do so they might apply several risk criteria like they do when meeting someone and also might go by the guidelines the HSE has given, namely limit it to as few partners as possible and that's where the 'trusted' partner comes in. I think that's a reasonable approach. Your chain infection can happen even when we have reached phase 5. The more people you meet the higher the risk. As simple as that. | |||
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likewise!"Do your own research and you will be surprised Vaccines aren't save anymore. Why? There is no clinical research done for a combo 3 in 1, 9 in 1 at all. Add harmful ingredients like formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury, antibiotics, etc. Our body is able to fight the infection but with only ONE pathogen and research was based to use exactly one of them. Thats why vaccine shots were safer when our generation (40+) got the jab. Why you do not question this with your GP? I was a believer that they can safe lives until my super healthy daughter became an autistic child with loads of allergies and autoimmune disease. Check it out the statistics, think why your perfect healthy child is having problems with concentration, allergies, etc Vaccines these days cause more harm than even junk food | |||
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" Social distancing will stay in place as long there's the threat of covid-19. Going by that you shouldn't meet anyone for sex for the time being except your partner living in the same household if you have one. Yet it's unrealistic to think that all people will sexually abstain until vaccine day. So if you choose to have sex you will have to make a risk assessment. The risk assessment is a layered one, in a first round people have to decide which of the reopening phases they consider the right one to do so. In a second round they've to decide who they meet and in which setting. To do so they might apply several risk criteria like they do when meeting someone and also might go by the guidelines the HSE has given, namely limit it to as few partners as possible and that's where the 'trusted' partner comes in. I think that's a reasonable approach. Your chain infection can happen even when we have reached phase 5. The more people you meet the higher the risk. As simple as that. " Exactly, the more people we meet and the longer we stay in their proximity the higher the risk.... So, personally speaking, I simply opt not to. As I've said, it's sex, not oxygen. I can deal with a years worth of wanking. | |||
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that?
likewise!
Do your own research and you will be surprised
Vaccines aren't save anymore. Why? There is no clinical research done for a combo 3 in 1, 9 in 1 at all.
Add harmful ingredients like formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury, antibiotics, etc.
Our body is able to fight the infection but with only ONE pathogen and research was based to use exactly one of them. Thats why vaccine shots were safer when our generation (40+) got the jab.
Why you do not question this with your GP?
I was a believer that they can safe lives until my super healthy daughter became an autistic child with loads of allergies and autoimmune disease.
Check it out the statistics, think why your perfect healthy child is having problems with concentration, allergies, etc
Vaccines these days cause more harm than even junk food "Vaccines DID NOT make your child autistic. There is more formaldehyde in a banana than in a vaccine. Vaccines don't contain antibiotics. Almost your entire post is total nonsense | |||
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" Social distancing will stay in place as long there's the threat of covid-19. Going by that you shouldn't meet anyone for sex for the time being except your partner living in the same household if you have one. Yet it's unrealistic to think that all people will sexually abstain until vaccine day. So if you choose to have sex you will have to make a risk assessment. The risk assessment is a layered one, in a first round people have to decide which of the reopening phases they consider the right one to do so. In a second round they've to decide who they meet and in which setting. To do so they might apply several risk criteria like they do when meeting someone and also might go by the guidelines the HSE has given, namely limit it to as few partners as possible and that's where the 'trusted' partner comes in. I think that's a reasonable approach. Your chain infection can happen even when we have reached phase 5. The more people you meet the higher the risk. As simple as that. Exactly, the more people we meet and the longer we stay in their proximity the higher the risk.... So, personally speaking, I simply opt not to. As I've said, it's sex, not oxygen. I can deal with a years worth of wanking. "And yet you've a party feeler thread going for late summer/autumn - ok with all the ifs and whens and buts I give you that - but lecturing people who consider to meet one or two 'trusted' ones when they feel time is right. Also may I remind you of your post further up where you said: "if community transmission has been eradicated I think we're good to go". Make up your mind, you keep on contradicting yourself.  | |||
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" And yet you've a party feeler thread going for late summer/autumn - ok with all the ifs and whens and buts I give you that - but lecturing people who consider to meet one or two 'trusted' ones when they feel time is right. Also may I remind you of your post further up where you said: "if community transmission has been eradicated I think we're good to go". Make up your mind, you keep on contradicting yourself. "I keep on contradicting myself because as I've said; I simply don't know. I've said I hope we'll be able to move forward with a party. I've said I think we'd be good to go in a few weeks. And I've also said I simply don't know...
I don't intend to lecture, I just attempted to point out the fallacy of people feeling 'safe' having 'trusted' meets. No more than others have pointed out the fallacy of doing ones 'research' on YouTube.
Allow me to be absolutely clear on my points so as to avoid confusion;
I am not a medical expert.
Any views I voice are simply opinion, unless otherwise stated.
I hope as much as anyone that meets and parties can start up again, as soon as is feasible.
I do not believe that, in general, people can be trusted to objectively risk assess.
I do not believe that meeting 'trusted' partners for the sake of a shag is responsible behavior during a time of unprecedented pandemic.
I do not judge anyone or advocate for either argument, as mentioned - anything I submit is opinion unless otherwise stated.
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that?
likewise!
Do your own research and you will be surprised
Vaccines aren't save anymore. Why? There is no clinical research done for a combo 3 in 1, 9 in 1 at all.
Add harmful ingredients like formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury, antibiotics, etc.
Our body is able to fight the infection but with only ONE pathogen and research was based to use exactly one of them. Thats why vaccine shots were safer when our generation (40+) got the jab.
Why you do not question this with your GP?
I was a believer that they can safe lives until my super healthy daughter became an autistic child with loads of allergies and autoimmune disease.
Check it out the statistics, think why your perfect healthy child is having problems with concentration, allergies, etc
Vaccines these days cause more harm than even junk food "Absolute and utter bullshit. So many untrue sentences in one post. | |||
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"Sounds like cold vanilla sex meets, no kissing etc, not for most people on here... but is it better than nothing?" I don't really like the whole kiss anyway Ms k | |||
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So it's relevant to the subject how? in relation to how safe vaccines are.
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" Agreed, its an assessment of risk factors in the same way you asses a profile. Are these a couple?, are they FWB, are they genuine etc etc And again this is an inaccurate way of looking at it.... You can successfully assess a profile sure... But if you meet a couple and fuck one another you're not potentially bringing home a disease you can pass to your community by breathing on them. With Coronavirus you are.... The comparison to assessing coronavirus by way of assessing STD risk or meet risk is a complete fallacy. They're not comparable. It's like comparing driving a car to driving a 747,it seems like because of they're both man made vehicles that carry passengers that we can argue that they're comparable, but they're not. The differences out weigh the similarities. The rules are different. It's a different game. It's not about taking responsibility for yourself and judging your own risk. It's about listening to the risk you pose to the community. "The risk assessment you make has to include whether you are willing to self isolate after a meeting. I am not talking new meeting wither. At a risk level, they are comparable. In 2016 the ROI population was over 4.7 million and the number of reported STI's was 13,000. The number of confirmed C19 cases in a pandemic is running at 24,000. Over 9,000 of those have are over 55 and a further 2400 of them are under 24. Effectively there is about 8500 is the age range we would meet. That percentage of the population is low and much lower than those with STI's. You can carve this to suit your point of view. It is not a fallacy. If you self isolate how much more a risk are you to community over getting C19 grocery shopping. Also the number of new cases are 64 and that as a % of the total population does not warrant the continued levels and timelines of the phases. | |||
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Remember Kids. Two seconds of Googling can save you a shit tonne of dumb.
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" Im against vaccines as they mostly harm our babies from autism to cancer, allergies to other mental disabilities. Did I just read that?
likewise!
Do your own research and you will be surprised
Vaccines aren't save anymore. Why? There is no clinical research done for a combo 3 in 1, 9 in 1 at all.
Add harmful ingredients like formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury, antibiotics, etc.
Our body is able to fight the infection but with only ONE pathogen and research was based to use exactly one of them. Thats why vaccine shots were safer when our generation (40+) got the jab.
Why you do not question this with your GP?
I was a believer that they can safe lives until my super healthy daughter became an autistic child with loads of allergies and autoimmune disease.
Check it out the statistics, think why your perfect healthy child is having problems with concentration, allergies, etc
Vaccines these days cause more harm than even junk food "What absolute and complete nonsense | |||
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" The risk assessment you make has to include whether you are willing to self isolate after a meeting. I am not talking new meeting wither. At a risk level, they are comparable. In 2016 the ROI population was over 4.7 million and the number of reported STI's was 13,000. The number of confirmed C19 cases in a pandemic is running at 24,000. Over 9,000 of those have are over 55 and a further 2400 of them are under 24. Effectively there is about 8500 is the age range we would meet. That percentage of the population is low and much lower than those with STI's. You can carve this to suit your point of view. It is not a fallacy. If you self isolate how much more a risk are you to community over getting C19 grocery shopping. Also the number of new cases are 64 and that as a % of the total population does not warrant the continued levels and timelines of the phases. " Ok, so that's a sensible way of crunching numbers, but once again, an STI can only be contracted via sexual activities. Coronavirus is spread through moisture droplets exuded by people when they cough, talk or breath. If I don't want an STI I wear a condom or don't have sex. There's no prophylactic against Coronavirus. So the percentage of risk you've used can't be accurately applied. The delivery method for each infection is completely different. One is easily avoidable within the context of social human interaction and the other.... Isn't. | |||
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" The risk assessment you make has to include whether you are willing to self isolate after a meeting. I am not talking new meeting wither. At a risk level, they are comparable. In 2016 the ROI population was over 4.7 million and the number of reported STI's was 13,000. The number of confirmed C19 cases in a pandemic is running at 24,000. Over 9,000 of those have are over 55 and a further 2400 of them are under 24. Effectively there is about 8500 is the age range we would meet. That percentage of the population is low and much lower than those with STI's. You can carve this to suit your point of view. It is not a fallacy. If you self isolate how much more a risk are you to community over getting C19 grocery shopping. Also the number of new cases are 64 and that as a % of the total population does not warrant the continued levels and timelines of the phases. Ok, so that's a sensible way of crunching numbers, but once again, an STI can only be contracted via sexual activities. Coronavirus is spread through moisture droplets exuded by people when they cough, talk or breath. If I don't want an STI I wear a condom or don't have sex. There's no prophylactic against Coronavirus. So the percentage of risk you've used can't be accurately applied. The delivery method for each infection is completely different. One is easily avoidable within the context of social human interaction and the other.... Isn't. "Your point is well made as regards the difference. I was illustrating that the actual risk level at this moment in time is low and does not stack up. I can quickly check up, as can you sir, stats for being hit on bicycle, common flu death etc and I wold expect percentages to be higher. At this stage its time to protect our most venerable cohorts the same time let the economy flow. At the right time(not now) we would meet couples we have met before after a chat to see what type of interactions they have had in general life. | |||
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"There will be more deaths on non C19 related issues than C19 itself. Really? You don't say! What a revelation! Of course more people die from non-C19 issues. The problem is that C19 deaths are ADDITIONAL deaths and completely avoidable deaths. To further qualify this. I mean people putting of for not reporting for potential cancer, heart disease. Also mental health factors etc etc. The medicine of lockdown will have more direct death attributed to it than will have died from C19. And most other forms of the type of death we're discussing (old age, road deaths, suicide, substance abuse) aren't contagious. Coronavirus is. " | |||
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"Reading this thread makes me think beinh locked in away from people may actually be a godsend..... Jesus wept" | |||
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"Reading this thread makes me think beinh locked in away from people may actually be a godsend..... Jesus wept "We want to be locked away with Bo!  | |||
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" Your point is well made as regards the difference. I was illustrating that the actual risk level at this moment in time is low and does not stack up. I can quickly check up, as can you sir, stats for being hit on bicycle, common flu death etc and I wold expect percentages to be higher. At this stage its time to protect our most venerable cohorts the same time let the economy flow. At the right time(not now) we would meet couples we have met before after a chat to see what type of interactions they have had in general life. " But... We're not talking about opening up the economy.... We're talking about people meeting up to ride. | |||
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"Reading this thread makes me think beinh locked in away from people may actually be a godsend..... Jesus wept
We want to be locked away with Bo! "Now that would be a lockdown that would be a hell of a lot more fun  | |||
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"So you are going to keep meeting people. How do you evaluate that people are safe to meet ?? They could be lying, would you be devastated if you caught Covid from a meet up ?? The same way the majority of people in the real world evaluate people for STI's. They dont!" Very well said. Took the words right out of my mouth. Dirk | |||
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"Just Googled Thalidomide... it was originally a Tranquilizer. Apologies
Remember Kids. Two seconds of Googling can save you a shit tonne of dumb.
"Remember also that this drug was classed safe at first. | |||
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"Can we stick to topic please, my original question I suppose was when we people started meeting properly again . Every person or couple will decide for themselves when to meet up and if they actively going to have a new set of rules around personal hygiene. Here is a quote to ponder! I work in a large pharmaceutical company in Dublin last 20 years,we have strict growing procedures to get in and out of particular areas of manufacturing daily, roughly 30 minutes of showering,hand washing, gowning procedure protocol . I do this six times daily . So wearing face mask a washing you hands regular is a very simple task to get used to . Social distancing is only temporary.... Food counters, butchers shops, food prep, areas in general are well used proper hygiene practices daily.... People just don't like change....." Well honestly in answer to your question it is pretty simple people will meet when they decide they want to. Some already are some will wait until they believe it is safe for them to. There will be no 'safe' date for people to meet it is going to be up to each person to decide when they want to if they want. | |||
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" Well honestly in answer to your question it is pretty simple people will meet when they decide they want to. Some already are some will wait until they believe it is safe for them to. There will be no 'safe' date for people to meet it is going to be up to each person to decide when they want to if they want. " | |||
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"Just back from the shops, people give already a toss about social distancing, shops completely overcrowded. So it probably was the safest to meet just at the end of the total lockdown or in other words if you haven't last week you missed your slot. "Jaysus, I'd love to get at your slot for a while! | |||
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"Pretty sure there will be people already meeting, just not broadcasting it." There's plenty meeting at the moment. And advertising it sadly. | |||
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