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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So the Leo fella says small groups of friends and family will be allowed on the 18th ...

wonder what a small group is .. 3/6 or a house full of swingers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the Leo fella says small groups of friends and family will be allowed on the 18th ...

wonder what a small group is .. 3/6 or a houseful full of swingers "

It's outdoors only that these gatherings are meant to be from the 18th - and that's only if we meet some unspecified target in reduction of cases, deaths and ICU occupancy

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Never tried a outdoor orgy ...

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never tried a outdoor orgy ...

Haha"

With social distancing

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By *cuk4funCouple
over a year ago

city centre

Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week..."

True. We're all in the same boat, plus we have WiFi, so much TV and that . I think we'll manage, it's for everyone's best interests that this is being done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government has posted a roadmap of how and when they are going to lift restrictions youll find it on twitter

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week..."

I’m all for getting back to normality .. but you can’t blame people for rebellious behaviour ...

PLUS mental health is just as important as your well being, anyone that says otherwise is just a ignorant human.

Let be what is ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Never tried a outdoor orgy ...

Haha

With social distancing "

Gonna order some 2 metre dildos so haha!!

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week...

I’m all for getting back to normality .. but you can’t blame people for rebellious behaviour ...

PLUS mental health is just as important as your well being, anyone that says otherwise is just a ignorant human.

Let be what is ... "
spot on post. Mental health is huge in this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week...

I’m all for getting back to normality .. but you can’t blame people for rebellious behaviour ...

PLUS mental health is just as important as your well being, anyone that says otherwise is just a ignorant human.

Let be what is ... spot on post. Mental health is huge in this."

My faiths restored in men hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we,ll never get back to some level of normality if the morons out there don’t cop on and just see the next two weeks thru without fucking it up for the rest of us..lot more cars on the road last week..."

True but companies and gov need to be held accountable too. 2 meat processing plants today. One in Kilbeggin. 4 cases of covid and they closed the place. The other in Roscrea have 120 confirmed cases out of a workforce of 400 ( over a quarter) but its still open just scaled back..i dunno am i missing something but that cant be right or allowed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

For once the planet is experiencing a form of force fed unity and I think no matter what this will end good for us ... it’s easy to point the fingers here and there but at the end of the day one person is as powerful as 5 here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leo needs to clarify the rules around outdoor sex?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do people think that anything should return to normal in 2 weeks or even months?

I'm no saint I have always been somewhat a rebel without a cause! However even I can see that the restrictions which were put in place wasn't to punish me!

Do we really have so little respect on our frontline staff that all we think about is having parties meeting all our friends or family, potentially creating a second surge?

I for one dont think anything should be lifted until the number of deaths drop off or a vaccine is distributed to the frontline staff and people of high risk.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do people think that anything should return to normal in 2 weeks or even months?

I'm no saint I have always been somewhat a rebel without a cause! However even I can see that the restrictions which were put in place wasn't to punish me!

Do we really have so little respect on our frontline staff that all we think about is having parties meeting all our friends or family, potentially creating a second surge?

I for one dont think anything should be lifted until the number of deaths drop off or a vaccine is distributed to the frontline staff and people of high risk.

"

The problem is there nowhere closer to a solution ... not to get profound ... but the human race is where it is because of the risks and decisions we made.

I understand your opinion and second it but people will not stay in there cage ... death is inevitable my man

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Leo needs to clarify the rules around outdoor sex? "

I would very much like to see this ... but I vote he must wear a borat suit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You sicken my hole to put it politely do you think he wants to be bringing the economy to a standstill this is for our own good it's not that hard to do stop mixing in group your not a teenage boy out with the lads

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ahhh greta obviously missed the sarcasm in my original post .... go mad Greta ... send a email ... complain ... report!

I love it hahahah

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By *eaAndBenCouple
over a year ago

Dublin


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The problem is there nowhere closer to a solution ... not to get profound ... but the human race is where it is because of the risks and decisions we made.

I understand your opinion and second it but people will not stay in there cage ... death is inevitable my man "

Nobody is being asked to stay in a cage. Death is inevitable true but most cogent humans choose to live rather than die. As for risks and decisions most and I stress again cogent humans rely on the advice of trained professionals in their risk assessments and decision making.

I’m all for free choice but I’m not in favour of clowns risking other people’s health and clogging up the health system because they want their “freedoms”.

Oh yeah and by the way you’re not being profound so you needn’t worry.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

The problem is there nowhere closer to a solution ... not to get profound ... but the human race is where it is because of the risks and decisions we made.

I understand your opinion and second it but people will not stay in there cage ... death is inevitable my man

Nobody is being asked to stay in a cage. Death is inevitable true but most cogent humans choose to live rather than die. As for risks and decisions most and I stress again cogent humans rely on the advice of trained professionals in their risk assessments and decision making.

I’m all for free choice but I’m not in favour of clowns risking other people’s health and clogging up the health system because they want their “freedoms”.

Oh yeah and by the way you’re not being profound so you needn’t worry."

Beautifully said !!! Beautiful

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

There has to be a system in place on how we reopen the county and that was presented this evening. It's not normal to be living like this nor is it good for ones Health. What people are forgetting is we may never have a vaccine for this or not have one for a number of years. Life has to resume at a rate and that's what this plan is. You cannot wait and hope there is a vaccine before you resume life. Everything will be performed with social distancing. I'd imagine with gaa they're trying to get contact tracing working accordingly and also a quick test/result turnaround. Onwards we go

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There has to be a system in place on how we reopen the county and that was presented this evening. It's not normal to be living like this nor is it good for ones Health. What people are forgetting is we may never have a vaccine for this or not have one for a number of years. Life has to resume at a rate and that's what this plan is. You cannot wait and hope there is a vaccine before you resume life. Everything will be performed with social distancing. I'd imagine with gaa they're trying to get contact tracing working accordingly and also a quick test/result turnaround. Onwards we go"

You articulated what I was trying to say perfectly ... touché

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You sicken my hole to put it politely do you think he wants to be bringing the economy to a standstill this is for our own good it's not that hard to do stop mixing in group your not a teenage boy out with the lads"

Well put

Your bang on the buck with your statement

Nobody wants to be in lockdown but we have to

It’s for our benefit in the end

I’d rather lockdown for 2 more weeks than it be lifted and we go back to square one

Think of all the frontline staff working their asses off to keep things going and people safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaccine. Hope they do find one. Flu, winter vomiting bug, keeps coming.

Social distancing, Sick to my stomach of still seeing groups of teenagers numbering at least four possibly ten.

House parties, average age twenty, still happening, fact, I work with the fuckers.

Brighter note, would glass wall glory holes work

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Greta you are spot some people on here are just trying to stir the shit and get people annoyed . No one could be that irresponsible and stupid

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"So the Leo fella says small groups of friends and family will be allowed on the 18th ...

wonder what a small group is .. 3/6 or a houseful full of swingers

It's outdoors only that these gatherings are meant to be from the 18th - and that's only if we meet some unspecified target in reduction of cases, deaths and ICU occupancy "

The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking.

Anyhow I'm happy with the 5km.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking"

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


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The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets""

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up. "

No, it's because the targets relate (among other things) to the R0 which the public won't understand. All the measures are being driven by medical advice, not because fg want to shut the country down and ruin the economy.

The government have been very transparent, people just don't want to hear what they are saying and can't understand half of it anyway.

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Never voted fg and never will .but I must say as far as this pandemic is concerned they have been very transparent and up front . Pity cant say the same about housing .homeless . Etc etc .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never voted fg and never will .but I must say as far as this pandemic is concerned they have been very transparent and up front . Pity cant say the same about housing .homeless . Etc etc . "

I don't think lack of transparency is the problem with their tracking of those issues, more like a callous disregard. The party in Ireland who are genuinely anti-transparency is SF and their star is in the ascendency, so "the people" clearly don't care about transparency when voting

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Love to hear what way you voted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up.

No, it's because the targets relate (among other things) to the R0 which the public won't understand. All the measures are being driven by medical advice, not because fg want to shut the country down and ruin the economy.

The government have been very transparent, people just don't want to hear what they are saying and can't understand half of it anyway."

The trouble is,there has to be a balance struck between medical advice, which errs on the side of caution (lock 'em all up for their own good), economic considerations and common sense (which say that people can only take this for so long,the economic fallout will be felt for years if not decades,and mental health and quality of life are important too, both being significantly impacted by the economy)

It's a tough call,frankly an unenviable job.

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By *ornybarMan
over a year ago

clonmel

Leo is like our dom. We have to wait for his permission lol

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"

The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up.

No, it's because the targets relate (among other things) to the R0 which the public won't understand. All the measures are being driven by medical advice, not because fg want to shut the country down and ruin the economy.

The government have been very transparent, people just don't want to hear what they are saying and can't understand half of it anyway."

Daily death figures and new corona cases are being thrown at us. I have never seen those figures in context or displayed as a curve, yet alone given us the RO. Do you know why? Because they're still struggling with testing. If you have a look at the daily figures over the time (12th of March up to today) it will confirm exactly this. The figures are all over the place, one day it's 364 cases, then 702, next 564, etc. If you draw a graph with those figures you get a zigzag line, not a flattening curve.

I study daily the figures of the John Hopkins Institute which has the most up to date figures internationally. Funnily the overall figures of Ireland match with those of the government but the daily ones never do, it makes me wonder where that discrepancy is coming from. Anyhow looking at the Hopkins figures at least give me an idea how we're doing.

To say 'the people won't understand' is not only patronising it's also arrogant but yes exactly on the communication line of the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up.

No, it's because the targets relate (among other things) to the R0 which the public won't understand. All the measures are being driven by medical advice, not because fg want to shut the country down and ruin the economy.

The government have been very transparent, people just don't want to hear what they are saying and can't understand half of it anyway.

Daily death figures and new corona cases are being thrown at us. I have never seen those figures in context or displayed as a curve, yet alone given us the RO. Do you know why? Because they're still struggling with testing. If you have a look at the daily figures over the time (12th of March up to today) it will confirm exactly this. The figures are all over the place, one day it's 364 cases, then 702, next 564, etc. If you draw a graph with those figures you get a zigzag line, not a flattening curve.

I study daily the figures of the John Hopkins Institute which has the most up to date figures internationally. Funnily the overall figures of Ireland match with those of the government but the daily ones never do, it makes me wonder where that discrepancy is coming from. Anyhow looking at the Hopkins figures at least give me an idea how we're doing.

To say 'the people won't understand' is not only patronising it's also arrogant but yes exactly on the communication line of the government.

"

I agree there,how can daily figures mean a damn thing if they relate to people tested two weeks ago (who 10 days for a test on the first place), and deaths apparently totted from notifications, not a date of death. How a country as small as Ireland cannot have all Covid deaths correctly notified daily with modern technology is a mystery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I notice Leo was very vague when asked by Ryan Tubridy if testing capacity was in place and up to speed,muttering something about how it will be by May 18th...and if it's not? Oh look,June bank holiday weekend only two weeks away,let's move the goalposts beyond that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But it's true that they won't understand, arrogance notwithstanding.

The point is that people are fabricating a conspiracy theory where I think the govt are genuinely trying to be as transparent as possible. It makes sense to not make a decision now about 3-6 weeks down the road at thing will change in that time. Publishing targets would be pointless as they wouldn't be understood, and the goalposts will shift in that time.

And one reason why you might see discrepant death figures is because they don't get reported in the day the person dies, but when the cause is confirmed.

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

If you think we are doing this wrong .have a look at how our superior neighbour's are doing across the pond

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"But it's true that they won't understand, arrogance notwithstanding.

The point is that people are fabricating a conspiracy theory where I think the govt are genuinely trying to be as transparent as possible. It makes sense to not make a decision now about 3-6 weeks down the road at thing will change in that time. Publishing targets would be pointless as they wouldn't be understood, and the goalposts will shift in that time.

And one reason why you might see discrepant death figures is because they don't get reported in the day the person dies, but when the cause is confirmed. "

I fully agree with you with future targets, they might shift depending on the development.

My problem is that the government isn't transparent with the facts they have in hand respectively don't. Why lie about the testing figures? It will come out sooner or later. And in fairness they have made big improvements on the testing but still not there yet in order to open up the country. So why not be open about it?

R0 is easy to understand. It expresses how many more people get infected by a person having corona. If R0 is bigger than 1 we will get more and more corona cases, if it's less than 1 we get lesser and lesser cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With respect to testing, hospital laboratories have been chronically underfunded and under resources for a very long time. Laboratories have been scrambling trying to get analyses, reagents, staff and then the expertise to do the tests. Then on top of that the labs have to go through a validation process to ensure the analysers work. Nationally the labs are now ready to do the testing but it has taken alot of work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The target is unspecified because it's an excuse to cover up that they're not there yet with testing capacity and tracking

Also because it can then be stated at any time that we're postponing the next phase because we haven't reached these "targets"

Yup that's exactly how it works. Instead of being up front with the people the fg government persues its usual tactic of lying and covering up.

No, it's because the targets relate (among other things) to the R0 which the public won't understand. All the measures are being driven by medical advice, not because fg want to shut the country down and ruin the economy.

The government have been very transparent, people just don't want to hear what they are saying and can't understand half of it anyway.

Daily death figures and new corona cases are being thrown at us. I have never seen those figures in context or displayed as a curve, yet alone given us the RO. Do you know why? Because they're still struggling with testing. If you have a look at the daily figures over the time (12th of March up to today) it will confirm exactly this. The figures are all over the place, one day it's 364 cases, then 702, next 564, etc. If you draw a graph with those figures you get a zigzag line, not a flattening curve.

I study daily the figures of the John Hopkins Institute which has the most up to date figures internationally. Funnily the overall figures of Ireland match with those of the government but the daily ones never do, it makes me wonder where that discrepancy is coming from. Anyhow looking at the Hopkins figures at least give me an idea how we're doing.

To say 'the people won't understand' is not only patronising it's also arrogant but yes exactly on the communication line of the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you think we are doing this wrong .have a look at how our superior neighbour's are doing across the pond "

If u think we are doing this right have a look at Finland, Denmark, Poland, Czech republic, Australia, NZ. Or the other 150 plus countries in the world handling it better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R0 is easy to understand. It expresses how many more people get infected by a person having corona. If R0 is bigger than 1 we will get more and more corona cases, if it's less than 1 we get lesser and lesser cases. "

That's true of multiplication generally. My point is about published targets and transparency. If the govt said their target is 0.81 (along with other factors) then no one except epidemiologist and others familiar with SIR would know why that specific number and what that means practically. They'd be accused of arbitrariness. Then we'd find out something about re-infection probability that would make the number and associated calculation wrong and they'd be accused of reneging.

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