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By *p4itduo OP   Couple
over a year ago

santry

So does anybody have any idea what as 'a society' we will have learnt?, what do think ,you yourself have you taken out of this? ,and of course fellow swingers what we taken from it i will answer first in reverse order, single guys are not to bad a bunch and the vocablary has increased and not sending willy pictures with a HI THERE ,which is a total waste of time especially in these present times, we both have pornhub for that by the way, mind you we could be getting desparate quite soon , only kidding! To the second i think we have will have learned , that home life is not easy and work is missed , not only for the money but for the friends and co workers that brighten our day ,as for the first question,i dont know the answer, but i hope it is a positive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a society I think I'll take away the fact that things shouldn't be taken for granted. In the hustle and bustle of everyday life I think we tend to forget what is most important to us and that's family and friends. I'm lucky enough to be still working through all this but I couldn't see my family today so spent Easter sunday on my own. When this is all over I will definitely be making more time for the important things in life and not fobbing people off saying I'm to busy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This time has really opened my eyes up to how important it is to stop been so focused on the busy life style of work,earn money etc just enjoy your life with the people you love

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

One thing I hope as a society is that some of the jobs that were seen as low value are now actually seen as essential services

Money can be found for housing if the will is there as it was found this time

Hopefully some companies that treat their staff and customers badly go to the wall.

Social distancing becomes social interaction and we all rekindle our relationships with family ,friends and neighbours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will appreciate time with loved ones more than before.

Also most of the shit we worry about is seriously not worth it

L

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I don't think I've gained more insight how fucked up this world is, it just became more obvious. Anyhow I can only hope that we start to recognise that globalisation serves the few rich only and isn't about having a holiday in some exotic location or strawberries at Christmas, that essential services have to be looked after and invested in, that the privatisation of the latter has to stop, that the backbone of a country is the health of the people and the country's economy backbone is the small and medium size businesses and not the big international corporates that don't pay tax, that houses are homes and not just a figure on a balance sheet, that the deaths we have to mourne are people and not just statistics, that we don't get the same imbalanced austerity we got after the crash where only the well off being looked after etc etc.

We're all in this shit together and we have to start looking again after each other, like we do now in the covid covid crisis but it should be an everyday thing again. Yet I see the same gravy train parties trying to build a government rather than a united one and lead with example. It's time to wake up and pull together to make sure state investments to get the country's economy going again are heading towards a more just, environmental friendly and sustainable future for all our children, to ensure that the health of the people is looked after. Common Ireland, you can do this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok...this is the part that hurts me to say but as it's an opinion post I'll give my tuppence worth ...the good decent people that were there before this covid19 craic will still be the good decent people after it .. unfortunately the arrogant condesending obnoxious pompous people that were there before this covid19 craic will also still be same after it...leopards and spots and all that craic ...leo the guy who gave all the front line staff all praise and thanks and a round of applause in the Dail quickly forgot that the same over worked underpaid understaffed people had to walk the streets a few short months ago to try and get a few quid extra for the invaluable work they do EVERYDAY.. Probably to best sum it all up when this is over is the line from the song ..." The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before ". Especially when it's payback time ...when the low to middle income workers will be hit again to pay for it

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By *p4itduo OP   Couple
over a year ago

santry

All good answers in themselves , we really have to have attitude ,the willingness and the inteligence to do better and we will , we can be leaders not followers very proud of our little country ,mind you rather a doctor as my leader during a pandemic ,then that a property mogul, thanks

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne

How easy it was to control us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How easy it was to control us"

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all. "

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down

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By *sLittleRedRidingHoodWoman
over a year ago

Magical Forrest

There are people who care for others,communities can pull together. Good can still be done if everyone works as a team.

The healthcare system is fucked,the government needs to give healthcare workers a pug raise.

Celebrities dont save people.

There are alot more stupid people then we realise,including leaders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down "

Sweden is a sparsely populated country where over 40% of households are single person, unlike many Mediterranean countries where households are intergenerational. It also has a more reserved culture, where hugging and kissing of strangers is not the norm. These factors will have contributed to an initially slow spread of the virus, however their death rate per million population is now higher than Irelands and their ICU capacity relatively low by European standards, an explosion in cases and deaths could still be on the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope people have more respect for our food producers especially our farmers after this. I am not a farmer but I see huge value in having our own food supplies and not being dependent on others for something as basic as food. I also respect how hard they work in all weathers. I think a subsidy system is needed for agriculture as it is so dependent on weather but the EU subsidy system needs to encourage diversity of food supply not stymie it. I would rather be locked down in this country than any other and I have travelled extensively. And I am not staying at home out of fear. I am doing it out of respect for our front line health care workers so that they are not worked off their feet while they put themselves in danger for us on a daily basis.

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down

Sweden is a sparsely populated country where over 40% of households are single person, unlike many Mediterranean countries where households are intergenerational. It also has a more reserved culture, where hugging and kissing of strangers is not the norm. These factors will have contributed to an initially slow spread of the virus, however their death rate per million population is now higher than Irelands and their ICU capacity relatively low by European standards, an explosion in cases and deaths could still be on the way. "

So are Sweden wrong to continue as they are or are we wrong not to question how we are being told to continue,, personally i think we are being lied too, we are being given the facts nd figures but not the truth, if we try to question things we are told to shut up nd do what your told if you question anything you must be a nut job,, they are using fear to control us

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down "

Tell you what why don't you just ignore the lockdown and go on about your life seeing as you seem to think it's all a conspiracy as everyone should ignore it and carry on as normal. And when you and people close to you get sick then take a long look at yourself and realise you are responsible for their illness and possible death . Because that is what will happen and is why this is spreading cos people prefer to believe it's all bull. Its not and by the way masks don't really work to stop you getting infected they help stop people with the virus infecting others more than protect the person who is wearing them. They only offer minimal protection to the person wearing them. It's why when you work with people who have covid you wear pull ppe including a full face visor and even all that won't necessarily protect you. The only way to stop this is what most people are trying to do staying at home and social distancing and good hygiene preventative measures. But it is still spreading cos some prefer to believe its goverment conspiracy etc. And people are dying because of this and others are risking their lives looking after people who need care and help because others just won't bloody listen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down

Sweden is a sparsely populated country where over 40% of households are single person, unlike many Mediterranean countries where households are intergenerational. It also has a more reserved culture, where hugging and kissing of strangers is not the norm. These factors will have contributed to an initially slow spread of the virus, however their death rate per million population is now higher than Irelands and their ICU capacity relatively low by European standards, an explosion in cases and deaths could still be on the way.

So are Sweden wrong to continue as they are or are we wrong not to question how we are being told to continue,, personally i think we are being lied too, we are being given the facts nd figures but not the truth, if we try to question things we are told to shut up nd do what your told if you question anything you must be a nut job,, they are using fear to control us "

We are never wrong to question, but the efficacy of any country's approach to the pandemic will only be known when it has passed. Ultimately, every government has to decide on a course of action based on the circumstances of their country and its demographic, information that is changing by the day, and update strategy as and when. Britain adjusted their strategy at a late point when it started to become obvious how much the infection had already spread, as a very densely populated country where London alone has more people than the entire country of Sweden, a highly contagious disease was very likely to run riot and their approach now looks to have been extremely ill-advised. There are many in Sweden, including medics, expressing unease at the policy of their authorities. Where mistakes are being made, people are paying with their lives. I'm not sure looking to apportion blame is entirely useful right now, any of us could be the vector that infects a vulnerable loved one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes me realise that Neo-liberal capitalism is morally reprehensible. That we rely too much on money and objects to make us happy. That the important thing is community and that humans are social creatures and we need each other more than we realise. I think it’s been incredible how people have been so willing to pull together to care for each other

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

city

Looking at other countries, I think Ireland is a good place to be during this crisis. Small population, fairly well dispersed, and generally following the guidelines to stay healthy. We still have plenty of wild open spaces,or gardens, the food supply chain works, and a benign police force enforcing the rules. I can see the mistakes other countries have made(with hindsight), and I think our Govt have been lucky, and made good decisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looking at other countries, I think Ireland is a good place to be during this crisis. Small population, fairly well dispersed, and generally following the guidelines to stay healthy. We still have plenty of wild open spaces,or gardens, the food supply chain works, and a benign police force enforcing the rules. I can see the mistakes other countries have made(with hindsight), and I think our Govt have been lucky, and made good decisions. "

I would agree on the whole, the one thing I cannot understand is why there is non-freight travel being allowed in. Our island is very well placed to control traffic in and out. Early consensus with NI should have been reached on this IMO. Telling Irish citizens they cannot travel more than 2 km from their homes while UK registered private cars are driving around - WTF? Italians flying in on holiday or for a weekend WTF?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another matter it should have highlighted for us is the need for production here of vital medical supplies. In the event of a pandemic we cannot rely on others who will naturally prioritise their own population.

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

city


"Another matter it should have highlighted for us is the need for production here of vital medical supplies. In the event of a pandemic we cannot rely on others who will naturally prioritise their own population. "

There is a ventilator factory in Kerry, exporting worldwide. We never considered we would need such huge quantities of PPE, like most other countries, but we have what we need now.

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By *anKinkyMan
over a year ago

Carrick on Shannon


"How easy it was to control us"
Yes but for how long? you back a dog into a corner for long enough He'll come out barking and take the hand off you !

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Looking at other countries, I think Ireland is a good place to be during this crisis. Small population, fairly well dispersed, and generally following the guidelines to stay healthy. We still have plenty of wild open spaces,or gardens, the food supply chain works, and a benign police force enforcing the rules. I can see the mistakes other countries have made(with hindsight), and I think our Govt have been lucky, and made good decisions. "

I question the motivation of some of decision made (right decision alright don't get me wrong). For example our unelected government has reacted early, because they know better than anyone else of the underinvestment and neglect the public health system. They gloriously lease the private hospitals to overcome the covid crisis. Who will pay for that and who will profit?

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Looking at other countries, I think Ireland is a good place to be during this crisis. Small population, fairly well dispersed, and generally following the guidelines to stay healthy. We still have plenty of wild open spaces,or gardens, the food supply chain works, and a benign police force enforcing the rules. I can see the mistakes other countries have made(with hindsight), and I think our Govt have been lucky, and made good decisions.

I would agree on the whole, the one thing I cannot understand is why there is non-freight travel being allowed in. Our island is very well placed to control traffic in and out. Early consensus with NI should have been reached on this IMO. Telling Irish citizens they cannot travel more than 2 km from their homes while UK registered private cars are driving around - WTF? Italians flying in on holiday or for a weekend WTF? "

Remember all the Italians still coming here despite the Rugby game cancelled, oh and don't forget Cheltenham....

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

The world will learn nothing from this.nothing

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person

In a few weeks we will be back to our race to destroy the planet as quick as we can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We wont be ever back to how we were... this is wave 1... this will countinue for years... there will be no global travel pre this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world will learn nothing from this.nothing

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person

In a few weeks we will be back to our race to destroy the planet as quick as we can"

We have very short memories alright. And while we complain about gyms being shut, some African countries are shrugging their shoulders at what is just another deadly disease to them, we haven't even got an awareness of the plague of locusts sweeping parts of Africa and the Gulf States destroying food crops and almost inevitably leading to famine for millions. Just another day in paradise....

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne


"How easy it was to control us Yes but for how long? you back a dog into a corner for long enough He'll come out barking and take the hand off you !"

The Irish are not very good at biting back

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


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The Irish are not very good at biting back "

The British empire might disagree with you on this very day, Easter Monday, 104 years since the start of the rebellion in 1916.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"So does anybody have any idea what as 'a society' we will have learnt?, what do think ,you yourself have you taken out of this? ,and of course fellow swingers what we taken from it i will answer first in reverse order, single guys are not to bad a bunch and the vocablary has increased and not sending willy pictures with a HI THERE ,which is a total waste of time especially in these present times, we both have pornhub for that by the way, mind you we could be getting desparate quite soon , only kidding! To the second i think we have will have learned , that home life is not easy and work is missed , not only for the money but for the friends and co workers that brighten our day ,as for the first question,i dont know the answer, but i hope it is a positive "

I attach a willy pic to every single message I ever send. The ladies love it as well although they rarely get to reply as they're too busy interfering with themselves while looking at it.

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By *omtom1969Man
over a year ago

ashbourne


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down

Tell you what why don't you just ignore the lockdown and go on about your life seeing as you seem to think it's all a conspiracy as everyone should ignore it and carry on as normal. And when you and people close to you get sick then take a long look at yourself and realise you are responsible for their illness and possible death . Because that is what will happen and is why this is spreading cos people prefer to believe it's all bull. Its not and by the way masks don't really work to stop you getting infected they help stop people with the virus infecting others more than protect the person who is wearing them. They only offer minimal protection to the person wearing them. It's why when you work with people who have covid you wear pull ppe including a full face visor and even all that won't necessarily protect you. The only way to stop this is what most people are trying to do staying at home and social distancing and good hygiene preventative measures. But it is still spreading cos some prefer to believe its goverment conspiracy etc. And people are dying because of this and others are risking their lives looking after people who need care and help because others just won't bloody listen. "

I never once said anything about conspiracy what I'm questioning is how we are dealing with all this,, let's just shut everything down stay home nd hope it goes away,, look at the nursing homes, most have been closed for 6to7 week but yet most of out deaths are coming from nursing homes, nursing homes warned about this weeks ago nd not enough was done, the average age of the deaths for the last 7 days has been in the 80s, we did not protect the ones most at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1- There is only a very thin veneer of democracy in western countries, when nearly all of our civil liberties can be curtailed with the stroke of a pen.

2- Once you have the bare essentials- food, shelter, health and wellness and the friendship of fellow humans, everything else is just bullshit.

3- We fuck with mother nature at our peril. This horrible covid-19 disease was created by humans who exploited wild creatures for profit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So far, that a dog hair pullover is very itchy

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down


"How easy it was to control us

How quickly people will give up their democratic "rights" through fear. How an unelected government can push through sweeping powers for the police. How rapidly public order can break down and people greedily stockpile essential items to the detriment of others more vulnerable. How little of a shit many of us give about the wellbeing of others

It's simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to see how tenuous the freedom, rights and civilisation we take for granted really are at the end of it all.

Do you think we should all just toe the line or start to question our unelected government,

Maybe ask why are we doing it this way nd not like Sweden, how come the news isn't telling us how Sweden are doing it with no lock down

Tell you what why don't you just ignore the lockdown and go on about your life seeing as you seem to think it's all a conspiracy as everyone should ignore it and carry on as normal. And when you and people close to you get sick then take a long look at yourself and realise you are responsible for their illness and possible death . Because that is what will happen and is why this is spreading cos people prefer to believe it's all bull. Its not and by the way masks don't really work to stop you getting infected they help stop people with the virus infecting others more than protect the person who is wearing them. They only offer minimal protection to the person wearing them. It's why when you work with people who have covid you wear pull ppe including a full face visor and even all that won't necessarily protect you. The only way to stop this is what most people are trying to do staying at home and social distancing and good hygiene preventative measures. But it is still spreading cos some prefer to believe its goverment conspiracy etc. And people are dying because of this and others are risking their lives looking after people who need care and help because others just won't bloody listen.

I never once said anything about conspiracy what I'm questioning is how we are dealing with all this,, let's just shut everything down stay home nd hope it goes away,, look at the nursing homes, most have been closed for 6to7 week but yet most of out deaths are coming from nursing homes, nursing homes warned about this weeks ago nd not enough was done, the average age of the deaths for the last 7 days has been in the 80s, we did not protect the ones most at risk"

They have not been shut for 7 weeks. Most have been for about 4 and shut to visitors but staff are still going in so that is usually how it is getting in people going in while they are still in the incubation period without symptoms which can be up to 9 days from the time they become infected. Or from residents who may have had hospital admissions and went back to the homes. No matter how many safeguards are in place it can still get in. And yes people will die in them if it gets in to any home sadly which is why any home is doing its best to keep it out. But it is not always possible to keep it out or to stop it from spreading and most deaths are not coming from nursing homes. The simple truth is staying at home and social distancing is what is stopping this thing running riot. It shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. And before you try and tell me about care homes I work in that sector so I am well aware of what happens and the safeguarding that is in place to try and prevent it getting into homes and to stop as may deaths as possible. I also have to go to work not knowing every day if it's in my workplace or who may have it or it this is the day I'm going to get it. Because someone is bored and decided to ignore the simple thing of staying at home and if they go out follow protocol. Because this had been going on a few weeks now some people are bored and deciding it is worth the risk until it actually hits them close to home and by then it's too late. And sadly some people pay th le price with their lives and its not a nice death drowning in your own lungs gasping for air with every breath is a horrific and terrifying way for anyone to die just because people don't want to stay at home and are bored.If people do follow protocol this could be over in a few weeks as less get infected and therfore it doesn't keep spreading if they don't this is going to go on for months

It is actually that simple shouldn't be hard to understand. Look at countries that were late to shut down look at the deaths there surely that alone should show what happens and be enough for people to realise how out of control this could get.

I'm not even going to comment anymore because I know some people won't agree and this will keep going for longer than it should.

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

I've learned the importance of family and a few close friends for mutual support when the proverbial hits the fan Some people will not answer your texts and metaphorically run for cover with their tail between their legs while other will run to you to lend support and solidarity, so these last few weeks have ed out a lot of fake superficial friends...

I've also come to appreciate nature and yes understand the rejuvenating physical and emotional importance of nature as I now get to exercise more outside nearly every day

I also have a bigger calling than the job I was in where a lot of people really didn't appreciate what I did for them (am not whinging honest it's just the way it was...) so am now looking to build a bigger and better platform for a few small businesses with a social conscience...

So as a guy (with a dick in his name) once said...

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness"

...I think it's really what you make of it though

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By *ackk25Man
over a year ago

Kilkenny

That even during lock down... My brain starts aching reading past three lines on a thread

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