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I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
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It's just like real life OP.
No magic formula
No magic answer
No rant will ever change that..
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
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I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "So because you think you would get on with them you expect them to get on with you  might just be they don't think you would be compatible with them is all | |||
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"It just takes a message to the right person. Unfortunately you won't know who that is unless you try. " There are no right people. | |||
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The last two men I met had terrible profiles in regards to the general fab advice , no pics , one liner blurbs , how they were ever successful with the profiles I'll never know , but they are !
It's timing , good manners and luck I figure ! Go to a club ! Get decent veris that way , it's a start ! | |||
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"I say just have your own fun on here your own way maybe strike up a conversation on forum Just relax dude" Exactly this. Don't let this site stress you out, relax and have fun. Don't expect anything and have a laugh. I'd meet you if you were closer so I'm sure other women would also. | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "I’d fuxk you | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "Some people read forums and think nah | |||
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"Nice ink OP "Thankyou | |||
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"And breathe
It's just like real life OP.
No magic formula
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No rant will ever change that..
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"Yeahhhhh we rule  "I noticed lol | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of..." Hes got the green tick means his verifed | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of..." Yes, why is the veri hidden? | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Hes got the green tick means his verifed " No I mean veri from people...even webcams or socials...or summary | |||
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"Why would you think like this, who are the women and couples looking for on this site? Definitely some single guys, if that be correct, who do you think is holding the real power?" Both! | |||
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"Why would you think like this, who are the women and couples looking for on this site? Definitely some single guys, if that be correct, who do you think is holding the real power?" Still the women. They get to decide who's todger goes in their holes | |||
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"Why would you think like this, who are the women and couples looking for on this site? Definitely some single guys, if that be correct, who do you think is holding the real power? Still the women. They get to decide who's todger goes in their holes " And they sometimes don't like it if that todger says no. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? " Why not mine are  | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? " Surely it is in a fellas interests to display his veris or at least the summary, unless that is something dodgy or not very flattering. Id rather met an unverified person than someone who is hiding their veris/who/what they meet. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are "Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women."Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris | |||
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"It just takes a message to the right person. Unfortunately you won't know who that is unless you try. There are no right people. " Don’t talk rubbish... I’m always right! | |||
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"It just takes a message to the right person. Unfortunately you won't know who that is unless you try. There are no right people. Don’t talk rubbish... I’m always right! "And that's why you're not the right person. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris"Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice. | |||
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"It just takes a message to the right person. Unfortunately you won't know who that is unless you try. There are no right people. Don’t talk rubbish... I’m always right!
And that's why you're not the right person."
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "I'm sorry dude but I'm in the area , and sadly most men can't then make the grade x | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice."Maybe. Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work "Good for you (that wasn’t sarcastic btw), it shows you probably have advanced radar techniques during chats beforehand | |||
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"Yiu just need to remembet the basic rules: 1) Women are always right. 2) Couples are always right. 3) Where women and couples disagree, both are always right regardless. 4) If you haven't already worked it out, you are always wrong. 5) Shut up, take you're given (if anything) and remember to bow and say thank you." A negative thinker sees a difficulty in every opportunity. A positive thinker sees an opportunity in every difficulty? I disagree with your basic rules. | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lol" Absolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. | |||
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"Yiu just need to remembet the basic rules: 1) Women are always right. 2) Couples are always right. 3) Where women and couples disagree, both are always right regardless. 4) If you haven't already worked it out, you are always wrong. 5) Shut up, take you're given (if anything) and remember to bow and say thank you. A negative thinker sees a difficulty in every opportunity. A positive thinker sees an opportunity in every difficulty? I disagree with your basic rules. " They're the result of years of observation, I've yet to encounter a situation in the swinging world that contradicted them. This is just the cut down, bare bones version, btw. The full list is much longer. | |||
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"Firstly, I think you're quite hot! You'd certainly grab my attention, but if I'm honest your profile would put me off as it reads like your looking for a girlfriend and panicking a bit as you approach 40 plus, "Fab straight". Nothing wrong with that as long as you're contacting people looking for the same thing you are, and not just approaching people just because you find them hot regardless of their preference. Good luck!" Agree, if he was in my area I would be interested to find out more about him | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer." That was a generous offer and one that ought to have been accepted. One of the good guys. | |||
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"OP, I think you’re profile is pretty good ... if I can find one little bit-picky thing, it’s that you’ve got your socks on in a couple of your photos & I really hate that!! But it wouldn’t be reason enough to delete your message. Unless your message was ‘fancy a fuck?’ lol. Photos are cheeky, varied & write up is reasonable. Maybe try a club night as has been suggested by others "I notIced the socks too... | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
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Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work "Same here. Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me. Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home. | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer." We have a few guys like that in the NW. Very popular with the ladies. Not particularly 10/10 hunks but they just treat the ladies right. Fellas can learn from guys like these. Sadly most think they know better. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work
Same here.
Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me.
Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home.
"This is my view exactly when it comes to verifications. I hate them, one stranger bigging up another just to get another shag! I've met many unverified people and a lot were more reliable than verified ones I've chatted to. They just tell me the person is who they claim to be on their profile. The rest I will decide for myself. | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "Can’t see anything wrong in what I read or see! Nice pics, nice tats! Nice face! Maybe try couples!!!!!! Lol | |||
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"its nice to see a guys profile pics without cock pics all over the set , " I thought exactly the same thing. | |||
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"Yiu just need to remembet the basic rules: 1) Women are always right. 2) Couples are always right. 3) Where women and couples disagree, both are always right regardless. 4) If you haven't already worked it out, you are always wrong. 5) Shut up, take you're given (if anything) and remember to bow and say thank you. A negative thinker sees a difficulty in every opportunity. A positive thinker sees an opportunity in every difficulty? I disagree with your basic rules. They're the result of years of observation, I've yet to encounter a situation in the swinging world that contradicted them. This is just the cut down, bare bones version, btw. The full list is much longer." So what makes you stay if your list keeps getting longer and all women and couples on this site are right with everything? | |||
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"its nice to see a guys profile pics without cock pics all over the set , I thought exactly the same thing. " They are nice photos | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. That was a generous offer and one that ought to have been accepted. One of the good guys." The problem is as this guy said to get results they need to put a bit in some effort and it’s a lot easier just to moan.I seem to spend my whole time on the Forums defending single guys but those who are happy to get out and meet people really don’t need defending and have a great time | |||
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"Yiu just need to remembet the basic rules: 1) Women are always right. 2) Couples are always right. 3) Where women and couples disagree, both are always right regardless. 4) If you haven't already worked it out, you are always wrong. 5) Shut up, take you're given (if anything) and remember to bow and say thank you." Wow! I thought I was cynical! | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work
Same here.
Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me.
Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home.
This is my view exactly when it comes to verifications. I hate them, one stranger bigging up another just to get another shag!
I've met many unverified people and a lot were more reliable than verified ones I've chatted to.
They just tell me the person is who they claim to be on their profile. The rest I will decide for myself."But that’s the value to me. They’ve met half a dozen other women who have lived to tell the tale. I don’t care about the sex they had, I care that they survived the encounter. It’s a safety thing. Not infallible of course, but helpful. | |||
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"Yiu just need to remembet the basic rules: 1) Women are always right. 2) Couples are always right. 3) Where women and couples disagree, both are always right regardless. 4) If you haven't already worked it out, you are always wrong. 5) Shut up, take you're given (if anything) and remember to bow and say thank you. A negative thinker sees a difficulty in every opportunity. A positive thinker sees an opportunity in every difficulty? I disagree with your basic rules. They're the result of years of observation, I've yet to encounter a situation in the swinging world that contradicted them. This is just the cut down, bare bones version, btw. The full list is much longer. So what makes you stay if your list keeps getting longer and all women and couples on this site are right with everything? " As stated on my profile, I'm just here to hang around on the forums and go to the occasional social I haven't been blacklisted from. I'm not wasting my time trying for more than that. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work
Same here.
Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me.
Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home.
This is my view exactly when it comes to verifications. I hate them, one stranger bigging up another just to get another shag!
I've met many unverified people and a lot were more reliable than verified ones I've chatted to.
They just tell me the person is who they claim to be on their profile. The rest I will decide for myself.
But that’s the value to me. They’ve met half a dozen other women who have lived to tell the tale. I don’t care about the sex they had, I care that they survived the encounter. It’s a safety thing. Not infallible of course, but helpful. "Yep that's the value of them to me too, so in that sense, the more the merrier. I don't care about the details. | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work
Same here.
Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me.
Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home.
This is my view exactly when it comes to verifications. I hate them, one stranger bigging up another just to get another shag!
I've met many unverified people and a lot were more reliable than verified ones I've chatted to.
They just tell me the person is who they claim to be on their profile. The rest I will decide for myself." | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer." Of course, the single guys complain on here but they don't want knowledge , I wish they had a mirror so they could look at themselves when they talk to the ladies, they are not confident and smooth. All I know is the ladies are running after you as a single guy. Do you know how much effort it takes for a lady to take pictures of herself and create a profile or to dress up and come to a club without knickers. Who is she doing it for? When you meet the ladies or talk to the ladies as a single guy, compliment them for their efforts and tell them you appreciate them, they will smile and give you some lol | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. Of course, the single guys complain on here but they don't want knowledge , I wish they had a mirror so they could look at themselves when they talk to the ladies, they are not confident and smooth. All I know is the ladies are running after you as a single guy. Do you know how much effort it takes for a lady to take pictures of herself and create a profile or to dress up and come to a club without knickers. Who is she doing it for? When you meet the ladies or talk to the ladies as a single guy, compliment them for their efforts and tell them you appreciate them, they will smile and give you some lol" What world are you living in? Where I am, the standard reaction when I say hello to a woman in a club is a "how dare you speak to me" glare followed by the sight of her walking away. | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. We have a few guys like that in the NW. Very popular with the ladies. Not particularly 10/10 hunks but they just treat the ladies right. Fellas can learn from guys like these. Sadly most think they know better." Exactly but let’s face it most think it’s easier to make a few adjustments to their profile rather than getting out there and actually talking to the ladies properly | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. Of course, the single guys complain on here but they don't want knowledge , I wish they had a mirror so they could look at themselves when they talk to the ladies, they are not confident and smooth. All I know is the ladies are running after you as a single guy. Do you know how much effort it takes for a lady to take pictures of herself and create a profile or to dress up and come to a club without knickers. Who is she doing it for? When you meet the ladies or talk to the ladies as a single guy, compliment them for their efforts and tell them you appreciate them, they will smile and give you some lol What world are you living in? Where I am, the standard reaction when I say hello to a woman in a club is a "how dare you speak to me" glare followed by the sight of her walking away." Thats very unfortunate if you approached them properly and I guess I’m lucky that it’s never happened to me if it ever did and I had approached them politely I would take the view that they were the one with the problem.If you let one incident put you off you’ll miss out on a lot of fun | |||
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. Of course, the single guys complain on here but they don't want knowledge , I wish they had a mirror so they could look at themselves when they talk to the ladies, they are not confident and smooth. All I know is the ladies are running after you as a single guy. Do you know how much effort it takes for a lady to take pictures of herself and create a profile or to dress up and come to a club without knickers. Who is she doing it for? When you meet the ladies or talk to the ladies as a single guy, compliment them for their efforts and tell them you appreciate them, they will smile and give you some lol What world are you living in? Where I am, the standard reaction when I say hello to a woman in a club is a "how dare you speak to me" glare followed by the sight of her walking away.Thats very unfortunate if you approached them properly and I guess I’m lucky that it’s never happened to me if it ever did and I had approached them politely I would take the view that they were the one with the problem.If you let one incident put you off you’ll miss out on a lot of fun" Who said anything about one incident? I'm talking about multiple times per night, on multiple visits. | |||
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I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "I think you have a fabulous profile! No dick pics ! BONUS
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"Well, I know the swinging crown is firmly on the heads of some single guys, if you don't understand as a single guy that you are the reason why the ladies and the couples go through all that effort then you don't understand the swinging game lolAbsolutely and the genuine ones tend to go to clubs.But That said some single guys don’t do themselves justice by moaning on here.Ive said this before but there was a guy on here with nearly a hundred veris from couples and ladies a very popular bbc guy and he actually offered advice posted on here and said he’d even meet a couple of guys his local club and get them started.Not one took him up on his offer. Of course, the single guys complain on here but they don't want knowledge , I wish they had a mirror so they could look at themselves when they talk to the ladies, they are not confident and smooth. All I know is the ladies are running after you as a single guy. Do you know how much effort it takes for a lady to take pictures of herself and create a profile or to dress up and come to a club without knickers. Who is she doing it for? When you meet the ladies or talk to the ladies as a single guy, compliment them for their efforts and tell them you appreciate them, they will smile and give you some lol What world are you living in? Where I am, the standard reaction when I say hello to a woman in a club is a "how dare you speak to me" glare followed by the sight of her walking away.Thats very unfortunate if you approached them properly and I guess I’m lucky that it’s never happened to me if it ever did and I had approached them politely I would take the view that they were the one with the problem.If you let one incident put you off you’ll miss out on a lot of fun Who said anything about one incident? I'm talking about multiple times per night, on multiple visits. If its happening alit maybe you need to think about how you are aporoaching them. One offs yeh it maybe the person you are approaching, multiple times per night on multiple visits tells me it maybe your approach. There are a finite number of ways you can say the word "Hello". " Only you know whether you are pissing people off with your approach. Easier to blame everyone else than think about things differently. Doubt things will change for you. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. " This, this and some more of this!
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. " Congratulations you’ve hit nail with this post and it should be copied pasted and posted whenever there is someone posting on the Forum complaining they can’t get meets | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I'm in the same boat mate it's a joke on here
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. " 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. " Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. " Yep see rule one.... you are doomed. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. " Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so." So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it." That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here." Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here  | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here "People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point."As I said believe whatever you want. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want."I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem. | |||
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People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point."Are you this negative at clubs and organised socials too? | |||
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"Fab is what it is. I feel its changed dramatically to what it was like 5 yrs ago. I have always tried to respond to messages even if its a sorry but no thank you. We all get morons who cannot form a decent sentence or are totally disrespectful. I do feel sorry for the nice guys but the assholes make it difficult for them "It’s changed massively. | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
Go figure
I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "If u were closer u would be perfect | |||
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"Get three of these posts a day. Boring. There’s a ratio of 2500:1 female to male. Even if you’re half decent you’ve got little chance. This place isn’t a substitute for porn or prostitutes. " where did you get thoos stats? | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem."So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad? Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort."Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them."I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it? | |||
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"Nice profile, nice pics, any veris? That’s the only thing I can think of... Yes, why is the veri hidden? Why not mine are
Because it’s supply and demand again - women can put up a blank profile and get responses. Men can’t, they have to use every available means to attract women.
Ive men and couples with veris hidden and no veris
Your choice of course, but I suspect you are in a minority...and this is a numbers game for single men. We wouldn’t meet anyone who hid their veri history. Again, our choice.
Maybe.
Never had a problem on here or with no shows etc in over 10 years on and off so my gut feeling must work
Same here.
Verifications mean nothing to me. The thought of taking into account the opinions of a total stranger with regard another stranger I'm wanting to fuck is ludicrous to me.
Meet socially and decide for myself. I've dodged many a bullet meeting socially but not with anyone I've invited into my home.
This is my view exactly when it comes to verifications. I hate them, one stranger bigging up another just to get another shag!
I've met many unverified people and a lot were more reliable than verified ones I've chatted to.
They just tell me the person is who they claim to be on their profile. The rest I will decide for myself.
But that’s the value to me. They’ve met half a dozen other women who have lived to tell the tale. I don’t care about the sex they had, I care that they survived the encounter. It’s a safety thing. Not infallible of course, but helpful. "Read the recent thread about horror meets. Verifications mean Jack. Ted Bundy didn't kill every woman he came into contact with for example. Verified people have carried out atrocities, I rely on my instincts to look out for me not sexysuzie69...but each to their own! | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them.
I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it?"I've rationalised my expectations. After years of polishing profiles, jumping through hoops and doing everything I was told I needed to do (which far too often meant doinh something I'd been unanimously told to stop doing a week or a month earlier), I've stopped playing other people's games. Now I just use the forums for their amusement value, go to an occasional social where I know I'm welcome, and now and again I have the pleasure of puncturing someone's bubble. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them.
I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it?
I've rationalised my expectations. After years of polishing profiles, jumping through hoops and doing everything I was told I needed to do (which far too often meant doinh something I'd been unanimously told to stop doing a week or a month earlier), I've stopped playing other people's games. Now I just use the forums for their amusement value, go to an occasional social where I know I'm welcome, and now and again I have the pleasure of puncturing someone's bubble."You think if you’re negative, that everyone else should be too? | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them.
I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it?
I've rationalised my expectations. After years of polishing profiles, jumping through hoops and doing everything I was told I needed to do (which far too often meant doinh something I'd been unanimously told to stop doing a week or a month earlier), I've stopped playing other people's games. Now I just use the forums for their amusement value, go to an occasional social where I know I'm welcome, and now and again I have the pleasure of puncturing someone's bubble.
You think if you’re negative, that everyone else should be too?"Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them.
I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it?
I've rationalised my expectations. After years of polishing profiles, jumping through hoops and doing everything I was told I needed to do (which far too often meant doinh something I'd been unanimously told to stop doing a week or a month earlier), I've stopped playing other people's games. Now I just use the forums for their amusement value, go to an occasional social where I know I'm welcome, and now and again I have the pleasure of puncturing someone's bubble.
You think if you’re negative, that everyone else should be too?
Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame."If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. | |||
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"Easy. Give up on mailing people on here. It’s a non starter. The sure fire way to be knee deep in klunge before you can say “spunk on her tits” is..... 1 chirp along in here and always say nice things and never expect anything in return 2 look out for socials (I mean big ones like 5-500 people) offer to help the organiser (carry a watermelon give a lift) and never expect anything in return. 3 go to socials chat to lots of women and couples with smiles and laughs don’t drink at all and don’t get mugged into buying lots of of drinks. Don’t expect anything in return. 4 don’t be pushy pushy in the swinging world = r@pey in the vanilla world. Be mega flirty and a twinkle toes. Doing that makes you a good guy at the Center of everything who is in control of his faculties and will be popular. 1 chip in on here and gey ignored because no one knows you 2 look out for socials, offer to help the organiser and get turned down because you're a stranger 3 go to socials, try to chat to lots of people and get ignored because most people actually go ti sociald to catch up with their mates 4 Be something you're obviously not so people think you're fake There, fixed it for you. Socials are great for people with ......you guessed it ....social skills. People are not ignored or banned if they behave appropriately. Not hard to work out. The original advice was spot on. Social skills are meaningless if you're routinely denied the opportunity to show them. If people walk away when you greet them, give you a death glare before you even your mouth, physically close ranks to shut you out of a conversation, time after time, what are you to do? Your perspective is skewed by your gender. Women aren't treated this way due to their relative scarcity. Men are so abundant as to be disposable and can be discarded on sight, with such little thought on the part of those doing the discarding that it doesn't even register with them, and without any negative consequence for doing so. So because of my gender I don't have to make an effort at socials. That is a very strange assumption to make. Of course I have to make an effort. I think your negativity maybe giving off vibes that are working against you. I will leave you to it. That's not what I said. Because of your gender, you're treated in the swinging world the way people expect to be treated in the real world, and judged on your own merits, including your social skills. That respect is routinely denied to single men here. Yeh right if you want to believe that then crack on. Cos people call me fucking whore, up my own arse, slag etc in the real world all the time. Of course they never call me that on here
People are people wherever they are. Look hard enough in any group and you'll find an abusive moron. That doesn't invalidate my point.
As I said believe whatever you want.
I believe a decade of my own experience and observation of others. If that conflicts with your worldview, that's not my problem.
So you have been this negative for 10 years? Why stay in the lifestyle if it is that bad?
Any how got to go and chat with the 10 ladies I will be meeting in a few week. Ya know even us females have to make an effort.
Why is no one capable of understanding that my negativity (or realism if you want try something radical, like being accurate) is the result of the last 10 years of experiences, not the cause of them.
I get that! But if you are not enjoying the lifestyle why stay? 10 years is along time to realise something is not working. It's supposed to be fun! Why torture yourself if you don't enjoy it?
I've rationalised my expectations. After years of polishing profiles, jumping through hoops and doing everything I was told I needed to do (which far too often meant doinh something I'd been unanimously told to stop doing a week or a month earlier), I've stopped playing other people's games. Now I just use the forums for their amusement value, go to an occasional social where I know I'm welcome, and now and again I have the pleasure of puncturing someone's bubble.
You think if you’re negative, that everyone else should be too?
Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame.
If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame."A great man once said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the sign of madness. Don't think Einstein was on here tho | |||
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame." Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all. | |||
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all." A lot of men are successful on here too. What’s their inbuilt advantage? | |||
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all. A lot of men are successful on here too. What’s their inbuilt advantage?" I was referring to the women and couples who somehow manage to convince themselves there's a level playing field but since you ask, the three big ones for single men are (in no particular order): 1) Bisexuality. 2) Black skin. 3) Lack of anything better to do with their free time than go to the gym. 4) A level of smarminess that would disgrace a second-hand car salesman. The first two are, obviously, out of my hands. The third would be possible, but I'm not prepared to give up my life to impress people shallow enough to make a snap judgement on sight. As for the fourth, I tried faking it once; I was.so digsusted with myself I nearly vomited. | |||
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all. A lot of men are successful on here too. What’s their inbuilt advantage? I was referring to the women and couples who somehow manage to convince themselves there's a level playing field but since you ask, the three big ones for single men are (in no particular order): 1) Bisexuality. 2) Black skin. 3) Lack of anything better to do with their free time than go to the gym. 4) A level of smarminess that would disgrace a second-hand car salesman. The first two are, obviously, out of my hands. The third would be possible, but I'm not prepared to give up my life to impress people shallow enough to make a snap judgement on sight. As for the fourth, I tried faking it once; I was.so digsusted with myself I nearly vomited." So all bisexual black guys on here are the most successful single men on Fab
You blame everything and everyone but yourself for your success on here.
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all. A lot of men are successful on here too. What’s their inbuilt advantage? I was referring to the women and couples who somehow manage to convince themselves there's a level playing field but since you ask, the three big ones for single men are (in no particular order): 1) Bisexuality. 2) Black skin. 3) Lack of anything better to do with their free time than go to the gym. 4) A level of smarminess that would disgrace a second-hand car salesman. The first two are, obviously, out of my hands. The third would be possible, but I'm not prepared to give up my life to impress people shallow enough to make a snap judgement on sight. As for the fourth, I tried faking it once; I was.so digsusted with myself I nearly vomited. So all bisexual black guys on here are the most successful single men on Fab
You blame everything and everyone but yourself for your success on here.
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"It just takes a message to the right person. Unfortunately you won't know who that is unless you try. There are no right people. " I beg to differ, I think there's loads of them! Everyone I've met from here has been extremely delightful in one way or another. Granted I've not met the whole site and never will, but for me to have pleasurable experiences with all that I've met must mean that there's plenty of right people out there. | |||
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" Not in the slightest. To anyone who's enjoying themselves here, provided they're not harming anyone, I say more power to them. I just won't stand for the wilful Panglossian blinkeredness of those who say that those who aren't enjoying the same level of success have only themselves to blame. If they’re doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same negative responses, then yes I would say they have themselves to blame. Again an assumption, in this case that everyone who isn't successful is repeating the same failed approach over and over again. I, and many others like me, have adhered to every rule, jumped through every hoop, followed every bit of advice, dotted every i ajd crossed every t, and still been treated like a badly positioned piece if furniture, nothing more than an obstruction to be maneuvered around. An unhealthy number of people on scene deny this reality, perhaps because it threatens their own sense of self-worth here. No one likes to admit their success was even partly down to in-built advantage, after all. A lot of men are successful on here too. What’s their inbuilt advantage? I was referring to the women and couples who somehow manage to convince themselves there's a level playing field but since you ask, the three big ones for single men are (in no particular order): 1) Bisexuality. 2) Black skin. 3) Lack of anything better to do with their free time than go to the gym. 4) A level of smarminess that would disgrace a second-hand car salesman. The first two are, obviously, out of my hands. The third would be possible, but I'm not prepared to give up my life to impress people shallow enough to make a snap judgement on sight. As for the fourth, I tried faking it once; I was.so digsusted with myself I nearly vomited." I think some men do have and inbuilt advantage, although it’s actually hard to know what it is about them that makes them successful. But probably a unique combination of sex appeal and an engaging personality. The last 2 guys we have been involved with were neither bi nor black. Our long term playmate is bi but he’s not black and is overweight. All our men do very well on the swing scene, but I’m not able to say what the magic ingredient it. I feel for the guys who find Fab a struggle, but I don’t think it’s realistic for all men to find Fab fruitful. Mrs | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you." So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs" Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you." Well, I'm glad your arrogance works for you. I am my own man, and secure enough in it to listen to advice when it's offered. You seen to equate that with weakness and, given your use of the phrase "have some bollocks" femininity. I'm not minded to give much weight to your opinion. | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. " At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs" Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. " Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs It is the bitterness and blaming of others that doesn't sit easy with me. A wise woman on here did point out there isn't someone for everyone on here, but as you correctly identify there isn't a magic formula for success. But there are things people keep doing to ensure failure." Oh yes, the bitterness is very distasteful. There are plenty of things in life to feel bitter about, but not getting nsa sex from an internet site should not be one of them. First world problem. If this site doesn’t work for some people, then just accept is my view. | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs It is the bitterness and blaming of others that doesn't sit easy with me. A wise woman on here did point out there isn't someone for everyone on here, but as you correctly identify there isn't a magic formula for success. But there are things people keep doing to ensure failure. I want to make something clear, because I think it's been lost in the sturm und drang of this argument. I'm not bitter that I'm not having "success", as in getting meets here. I don't have a right to that. I don't have a right to fuck anyone. What I'm bitter about, what makes me angry, is being at a club, or a social, or just on the forums, or any place of social interaction and being treated as an obstacle. When out of a room full of people, not one will even return a greeting, not one will even acknowledge as a person, and will often then have the hypocrisy afterwards to condemn me for not "getting involved", bitterness is justified. So your verifications from the organised socials you’ve been to are all lies then are they because they seem to suggest you were involved in conversations "Not all. As I've said, I did still go to some socials where I know I'll be welcome. However, if you read the verifications you'd see that most are from one or two events, the rest at purely pro forma verifications of the sort a vaguely competent host gives to anyone who turns up, no matter what. I've received verifications like that for events where I was blanked by everyone but the host, including one where I was subsequently blacklisted for daring to say so. They're meaningless except to prove that I am what I say I am. | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs It is the bitterness and blaming of others that doesn't sit easy with me. A wise woman on here did point out there isn't someone for everyone on here, but as you correctly identify there isn't a magic formula for success. But there are things people keep doing to ensure failure. I want to make something clear, because I think it's been lost in the sturm und drang of this argument. I'm not bitter that I'm not having "success", as in getting meets here. I don't have a right to that. I don't have a right to fuck anyone. What I'm bitter about, what makes me angry, is being at a club, or a social, or just on the forums, or any place of social interaction and being treated as an obstacle. When out of a room full of people, not one will even return a greeting, not one will even acknowledge as a person, and will often then have the hypocrisy afterwards to condemn me for not "getting involved", bitterness is justified. So your verifications from the organised socials you’ve been to are all lies then are they because they seem to suggest you were involved in conversations
Not all. As I've said, I did still go to some socials where I know I'll be welcome. However, if you read the verifications you'd see that most are from one or two events, the rest at purely pro forma verifications of the sort a vaguely competent host gives to anyone who turns up, no matter what. I've received verifications like that for events where I was blanked by everyone but the host, including one where I was subsequently blacklisted for daring to say so. They're meaningless except to prove that I am what I say I am."What else is a verification for if not to prove you are what you say you are? Are veri's mandated to be lamp post pissing? An extension of your profile? Concrete proof you are better than sliced bread? | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs It is the bitterness and blaming of others that doesn't sit easy with me. A wise woman on here did point out there isn't someone for everyone on here, but as you correctly identify there isn't a magic formula for success. But there are things people keep doing to ensure failure. I want to make something clear, because I think it's been lost in the sturm und drang of this argument. I'm not bitter that I'm not having "success", as in getting meets here. I don't have a right to that. I don't have a right to fuck anyone. What I'm bitter about, what makes me angry, is being at a club, or a social, or just on the forums, or any place of social interaction and being treated as an obstacle. When out of a room full of people, not one will even return a greeting, not one will even acknowledge as a person, and will often then have the hypocrisy afterwards to condemn me for not "getting involved", bitterness is justified. " No I don’t think bitterness is justified in something as trivial as swinging. It sounds like you’ve been to socials and for whatever reason it hasn’t worked for you. For some guys it does work, for some guys it doesn’t, and for some guys it’s a bit of both but will be water of a ducks back if they get ignored. There is a shallowness to the swing scene in that many women and couples may be reluctant to talk to someone they have no interest in sexually. I’m astounded though that you would spend 10 years pursuing a lifestyle where you feel you are disrespected, to the extent that you feel bitter. Bitterness is a very unhealthy emotion and you should rid yourself of anything in your life that makes you feel that way. Mrs | |||
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I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me "Most of us have given up here mate they're up themselves, join us you'll be happier pulling genuine fit girls in vanilla clubs. 10x better than the women here | |||
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"I am actually cringing at some of the drivel being posted on this thread. I am completely prepared for hatemail, bans blocks or whatever... You make your own luck on here. Blaming others for your lack of "luck" is pitiful and explains why you can't get meets. Whilst you wallow in your own self pity, others are quietly and confidently going around their own business and getting meets. If you are desperate enough to abide by every rule, change your profile to suit and jump through every hoop, no wonder your appeal is minimal. Be your own man and have some bollocks. Yes, have a look at my verifications. Well done. No meet here. However I have been on here before and had meets when it suited me. I make no apologies for who I am and how I go about fab. It works for me. And I have a level of success that I am happy with. If you play the perpetual victim, please feel free to fuck off and find another site where you are guaranteed a fuck (if the price is right). If the cap fits, wear the fucker. Otherwise piss or get off the pot. Your luck is in your own hands. You fuck things up for yourself, irrespective of the demographic you fit into. I couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of this post. You know if it applies to you. So do you think it’s possible, despite the unbalanced ratios, for every guy on a Fab (if they adopted the right attitude) to have a modicum of success here? Mrs Absolutely. If your attitude is right, you'll find someone who will like what they see and even might make exceptions for you if they think you are worth it. At some point in time the ratios will make it impossible for some men. I don’t know what those ratios have to be though, and I’m not sure what the ratios are. But if for example there are a hundred guys for every woman/couple who meets guys then logically a fair few will naturally miss out. Mrs Indeed. But they can increase their chances with a positive outlook. Not all that do well here are body beautiful, well hung, single etc but make their own success. Yes I agree there. Our playmates rarely fall into all those categories, and as I said earlier I don’t quite know what the magic formula is for it to work for some guys and not for others. But I do strongly believe there are simply too many guys to go round such that it is impossible for all to get meets. I don’t think that is something that should cause bitterness or irritation. It can’t be helped. Mrs It is the bitterness and blaming of others that doesn't sit easy with me. A wise woman on here did point out there isn't someone for everyone on here, but as you correctly identify there isn't a magic formula for success. But there are things people keep doing to ensure failure. I want to make something clear, because I think it's been lost in the sturm und drang of this argument. I'm not bitter that I'm not having "success", as in getting meets here. I don't have a right to that. I don't have a right to fuck anyone. What I'm bitter about, what makes me angry, is being at a club, or a social, or just on the forums, or any place of social interaction and being treated as an obstacle. When out of a room full of people, not one will even return a greeting, not one will even acknowledge as a person, and will often then have the hypocrisy afterwards to condemn me for not "getting involved", bitterness is justified. So your verifications from the organised socials you’ve been to are all lies then are they because they seem to suggest you were involved in conversations
Not all. As I've said, I did still go to some socials where I know I'll be welcome. However, if you read the verifications you'd see that most are from one or two events, the rest at purely pro forma verifications of the sort a vaguely competent host gives to anyone who turns up, no matter what. I've received verifications like that for events where I was blanked by everyone but the host, including one where I was subsequently blacklisted for daring to say so. They're meaningless except to prove that I am what I say I am."We used to go to one of the parties that you’ve been verified by a number of times. My memories of that party was that it was quite a meat market at times with a lot of single guys. As a result I would enter with a brick wall built around me, resulting in me probably blanking many single guys. Maybe I was one of the women who did this to you, in which case I apologise. But I think women develop a defence mechanism in environments where there are men looking for sex. This can come across as unfriendly, and it takes a certain type of personality to cut through the hostility and mistrust. Mrs | |||
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"A really good point made above (I’ll refrain from quoting) but you do have to take into consideration the balls required to go to a social with a bunch of strangers. For example, in the world of vanilla it’s perfectly normal for a bloke to pitch up in a boozer by himself, order a pint and have a chat with the barman. Whilst it’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to do the same, it’s not as common. Replace the boozer with a swingers social and you’ll find the nerves and apprehension quadrupled regardless of gender. It may be that you look like a bulldog chewing a wasp, it could be that you have a peculiar resting bitch face, it’s also possible that your social skills leave a bit to the imagination (to be clear it’s a generic you) but to say that the people you approach are not welcoming or overly friendly or whatever is your perception of their behaviour. Inside it could well be that they’re so far out of their comfort zone and have no idea how to react to being approached by several people at once. Just bear in mind that manners cost absolutely nothing and that works for both sides. It’s nice to be nice and even if you don’t want to jump someone’s bones there is no excuse for being rude to someone who doesn’t deserve it. " | |||
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"Half a rant. Kind of gave up messaging what I believe to be potentials that I may get on with etc... But today I thought sod it I’ll have another blast.... guess what...? *read.... deleted....
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I know I know us men are outnumbered and all that malarkey but what does it take to actually catch one of yours attention?
Am I punching above my weight.
My cock too small.
Belly too big.
Come on enlighten me Most of us have given up here mate they're up themselves, join us you'll be happier pulling genuine fit girls in vanilla clubs. 10x better than the women here"I’d say 0.5% of the female population on here are visually anything like the girls I’d pull in the vanilla world - young, athletic and personable - and the 95.5% who aren’t think they are.
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