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"Guess it is unlikely many are heading across France but the protests today were in full flow. Added 2.5 hours to our trip from Caen to the Spanish border A9/AP-7, including an incident at a roadblock in Montauban with the CRS intervening with smoke grenades
Take care!"we had 1 hour in Mayenne delay until the gendarmerie interveined , only 3 there until 5pm then another 50+ turned up.(after work) | |||
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"Hope it does start to die down as we are heading back to Germany tomorrow. Our route is pretty much the full diagonal of France from Perpignan to Luxembourg via Lyon." Good luck ! | |||
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"Google maps seems to be pretty much up to date with where the problem areas are. Check that before you leave. Once you get onto the autoroute you should be fine - it isn't he entry and exits that are blocked as a whole but .... that could change. Good luck!" The A20 was closed by them at Montauban yesterday. We were forced off at J59...big mess at J60 so couldn't get back on until 62 | |||
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"Google maps seems to be pretty much up to date with where the problem areas are. Check that before you leave. Once you get onto the autoroute you should be fine - it isn't he entry and exits that are blocked as a whole but .... that could change. Good luck!" Thanks for that. Once we are on the motorway we will stay on. We do the route with 2 stops. First one will be in Spain just before the border so that should be OK. Our second stop is at Tournus (above Lyon) and that's the one we are a bit concerned about. Friday is from there to home via Luxembourg. We know from when the farmers had a protest that the motorway between Metz and Thionville was a target and that is a bit of a worry as well. | |||
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here?" If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets. Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism. | |||
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here? If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets. Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism."  | |||
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"I am going to have fun today taking a friend to Limoges airport. ?? " Hopefully you are not using the N10/A10 its grid locked.. | |||
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here? If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets. Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism." The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all. People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January. The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered. The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected..... Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought. You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things! Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output. So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard! Bon courage! | |||
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Very well argued Hedonistsatplay. | |||
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" Very well argued Hedonistsatplay." *whispered* merci bien... | |||
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"The fuel depots were blockaded a few years ago during a similar dispute. It made no difference then. Fuel still got through to the petrol stations." There was a huge queue at fuel stations in Beziers on Wed and yes, we filled up too...! There was a van in front of us, the driver filled his van and FOUR 15 litre containers as well. We're doing shopping today and hope that it doesn't kick off again this weekend..  | |||
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"Oh! Forget to add that our yellow vest is prominent on our dashboard. "Good move...! Hope the rest of the journey goes well.. | |||
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However when it comes to hold ups the German road works do a much better job. | |||
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"Glad that it all worked out alright. The protests continue here in France with no end in sight! At least it is sunny "It was foggy in Tournus yesterday morning, in some places quite dense. We were well past Dijon before it cleared. Then sunny all the way up. | |||
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"Chaos in Nantes and La Roche sur Yon tonight ! At least the Peage is free ." See that there has been a bit of ye old 'social unrest' in Paris too. Bit of a chilly day to get twatted by a water cannon!! It seems to be week-ends and Mondays locally, everyone back to work on Tuesday! | |||
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"Just jumping on a plane to Tenerife from Nantes , hope it's finished when I return . Quite intimidating driving through approximately 1000 protesters at the Peage booth ." I think its going to last a while. Just make sure you have your gilet jaune on the dash board as you drive through. | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ...." WOW! 
Didn't realise it was going up as much as that.
Thankfully I can fill up in Luxembourg and make it to the Spanish border (just)
Last week diesel was 1.12 there compared to over 1.60 on the French motorway. Methinks the roads into Luxembourg will be gridlocked in January. Cheap ciggies as well. | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy ...." Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob! As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy .... Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob! As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. " I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy .... Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob! As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. " Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives! | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy .... Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob! As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives!" Which is where my comments about the NF come into play.. Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand in the future | |||
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"it will be a bigger pain when he puts up petrol by 12 cents and diesel by 25 cents in january....or time to buy a donkey ....or his choice an electric car ....note ...i noticed last week when he was in his presidential car that it was not electric ...the little man is a do as i say not as i do type of guy .... Whilst I don't like price increases but carbon is a dirty fuel and the bigger picture is saving the planet! So in that instance I am green all the way. To quote one of your phrases - just as well we got a few bob! As has been said the far right are sticking things up so yes you have the nutters infiltrating those who wanted to protest. I am all for electric cars and good transportation networks, but sadly when you live in the countryside in a country as large as france that infrastructure is not there. Electric cars do not have the range yet to be useful and public transport in my region is non existent. Until the french government can get their act together to make viable alternatives to fossil fuels this situation cannot continue.. The price hikes are great to deter motoring but only if there is solid infrastructure in place to give individuals alternatives - sadly as yet there are not, so like many other countryside dwellers I will continue to use fossil fuels. Of course your right, but these protesters now a radical right wing thugs with other motives! Which is where my comments about the NF come into play.. Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand in the future" Well considering fuel prices have fallen (which is why the protests started ) they have become more violent! Looters are attacking luxury brand shops in Paris so yes it's extremists just making trouble. | |||
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here? If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets. Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism. The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all. People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January. The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered. The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected..... Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought. You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things! Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output. So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard! Bon courage!" Dunkirk set up a free bus service which has drastically reduced th cars on the road there. Just sayin' | |||
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"Get out and support them. Nothing wrong with a bit of urban revolt. Why don’t we do the same over here? If they were demonstrating about child poverty, homeless people or political corruption, yes support them, but these guys are just thinking about their own pockets. Idealism is pretty much dead in France, now it’s all about selfish consumerism. The problem is that some errr "extremists" for want of a better word are using this as a way of making a political statement. The original concept was that it was a peoples protest - no politics at all. People here (out in the sticks with little or no public transport) rely on vehicles and are well pi**ed off about the huge rise in fuel prices with more tax due in January. The problem is also the knock on effect with transport companies increasing delivery costs to cover the fuel increases and those costs being added to food and everything else that is delivered. The government says it's to reduce people using fossil fuels - nothing at all to do with extra tax collected..... Problem is, like most governments of the world, its a knee-jerk re-action, ill conceived with lack of thought. You can only get people out of their cars, vans, trucks, tractors, local trains, fishing boats, farm machinery or anything else that goes "suck, squeeze, bang, blow" if there is a VIABLE alternative - and currently there isn't. Electric cars have a limited range and take ages to re-charge and it would seem that a large amount of hy-brids drink more fuel than a standard combustion engine (if what I read can be believed) plus the price of the bloody things! Our son in law works for EDF (Phd smart arse) he said that if every car in France was electric, they would have to DOUBLE the grid power output. So..... my yellow vest is on the dashboard! Bon courage! Dunkirk set up a free bus service which has drastically reduced th cars on the road there. Just sayin'" There isn't actually a lot of cars here to start with, our nearest town only has a population of about 5000 people and thats about 20 kms away.. nearest bus stop is about 15 and the train station (which is a single track and only runs about 5 times a day) is 7 kms away. Thus therein lay the problem - no alternative unfortunately! | |||
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"sounds like its getting nasty in Paris.. I read today that a 70 year old woman was attacked in her english car in Brantome this morning https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/the-dronne-valley-network/5A2xLdNn1dQ Sounds like its getting out of hand!!!!" When extreme nationalist (left or right) get control this is what happens (we had our own version in NI). Some will turn on "foreigners" - like we are in the UK - it's not unique to the UK. If it isn't brought under control then the violence will just get worse. All for demonstrating but not terrorism. To deface your national monument says a lot about these people. In Agde I was asked to sign a petition and said no, she said "why" I said I am fine with peaceful demonstrations but not violent ones. She just looked - probably thought "bloody foreigner" come here pushing house prices up ..... moan over! | |||
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"just been advised by French friends . It all kicks off again on Saturday. told to stay away from towns and be vigilant if driving , fuel could be a problem as the refineries will be targeted too so fill up where you can. " So it's not really about fuel prices then, it's politics by extremists! | |||
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"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action" Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet. But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself. I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds. Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule. I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far. If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..? The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron. It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises. You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life... Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..! Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...? Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers. Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back... | |||
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"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet. But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself. I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds. Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule. I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far. If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..? The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron. It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises. You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life... Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..! Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...? Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers. Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back... "A man has used a gun at Bessan -2 shots fired in the air - not by protester, but someone who was being obstructed - was early at the beginning 2 weeks ago - police arrested him. What we have, here, we are living in FN heartland, so full of nutters! | |||
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"All your wishes may be granted about crackdowns. VXB 170s, twelve in number are standing by in Paris. The goverment issued threats to use them. The gilet jaune are not armed, They have no leadership,only spokespeople. The protestor displaying violence are Predominantly anarchists, black bloc, hard right and left. This only drags in innocent and easily lead. Things will deteriorate today, and with that comes injuries and deaths. Macron Where is he? I see no speeches, funny that, he normally likes grandstanding. Perhaps little Manu has gone into hiding. " If you believe that your deluded! They may not have guns but they have used "arms" including petrol bombs! It is organized people are directing it - Just not seeing who - yet! Oh here only seen white protesters! | |||
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"It's serious when the president calls for armoured vehicles to be used! These gilet jaunes don't have guns! However it's OK for Macron to order his Gendarmerie to crash out the armoured vehicles, I'm sure they have a machine gun mounted on the top!! it's reported twelve that have been deployed ready for action Armoured vehicles provide protection from missiles such as the rocks that we have seen being thrown and things like petrol bombs that we haven't seen yet. But you dont wait for the first one to be used before you prepare yourself. I don't think for one minute that guns will be used by the protesters, but you have to have the means to disperse large and violent crowds. Sure it's an unpleasant sight to have these things on the street, but it's pretty scary for residents and businesses to suffer the mob rule. I sympathise with the ideas behind the protests of course, but the French government have themselves to blame by allowing things to progress this far. If the authorities stand by and allow protesters to block local roads and even motorways for hours on end and then capitulate by backing off on their statuary plans, what do you expect..? The protesters have seen what they can gain by their actions and now feel they have the muscle to get more concessions from Macron. It's about how you deal with the problem when it first arises. You don't give a toddler a biscuit before their meal, just because they scream and stamp their feet. You talk to them and explain why not. If you give in once, you're in for a very hard life... Maybe Macron has never had children. Hey, that could be the answer..! Can anyone lend him a 3 year old for a few weeks...? Off now on my e-bike to cycle 10kms to do the shopping and hope I get through the bonfires and barriers. Might buy some extra smelly cheese to throw onto their bonfire on the way back... "A rather patronising view of the situation comparing to toddlers people who have every right to protest against injustices, the top 1% getting richer and the bottom 10% poorer. Perhaps if Brits had the balls to get out there like the French instead of swallowing all the Daily Mail/Express/Brexit lies we wouldn’t have the fiasco facing Britain for the foreseeable future! | |||
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"...unfortunately they will not cease until they purportedly have Macron resign. Then who will lead the republic or do they want to change that too? A disaster with Brexit back home and here in France the government is also on trouble! What a mess" | |||
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"Yellow vests are needed in the uk. " £1.99 in screwfix ... off you trot | |||
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"Yellow vests are needed in the uk. £1.99 in screwfix ... off you trot "Isn’t Trot for a animal !!!! ??? | |||
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"...unfortunately they will not cease until they purportedly have Macron resign. Then who will lead the republic or do they want to change that too? A disaster with Brexit back home and here in France the government is also on trouble! What a mess" There's always Catalonia | |||
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"Yellow vests are needed in the uk. £1.99 in screwfix ... off you trot
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