FabSwingers.com forum: TV/TS Separation. When will admin listen to us?

By *enniferJayXXX OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Stoke-On-Trent

Isn't about time the admins ACTUALLY Listen to people. After all, we are paying YOU and you don't listen to anyone's ideas or suggestions. People have endlessly mentioned the idea of separating TV from TS as they are not in the slightest the same thing. The category tags for TV/TS are so limited and stereotypical it doesn't give us much a chance to describe ourselves. I am already seeing crossdressers and Transvestites abusing the tag section (eg post op). That is when a trans woman has gender reassignment not when a man puts wig on!

about time you actually separated us and gave us genuine trans girls more valid options to chose from.

Why have TG/TS girls not got the "Boobs: Big" "Boobs: Small" Option? why do we not have the hair color option?

Why is the only option we have is stockings and heels and "Cock out".

We are NOT and should not be in the same category as Crossdressers and Transvestites. Get with the times already

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Not all T/v T/S will agree ....not everyone feels the same

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By *enniferJayXXX OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Stoke-On-Trent

Personally, any genuine Trans woman does not want to be clashed with drag queens or "part time women" as ew are not playing dress up when we feel like it

Search the forums you'll see a huge thread from a few years back and so many people were on board for it - even men who are strictly attracted to Trans Girls and CIS Women....What did the admins do? Naff all lol

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

how we gonna proves whos who though..this is the major problem..whats stopping a cross dresser claiming to be trans...if you dont want to be lumped in with such low lifes as us cds and tvs..maybe change your profile to a female..

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By *enniferJayXXX OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Stoke-On-Trent

"how we gonna proves whos who though..this is the major problem..whats stopping a cross dresser claiming to be trans...if you dont want to be lumped in with such low lifes as us cds and tvs..maybe change your profile to a female.."

You can't. You get banned lol Tried that before.

It's not about being clashed with "Low Lives" but there is a obvious difference. If someone would want to claim they're trans, so be it. Just think TV/CD - TS/TG is more suitable as many others have suggested for the past five years. Their will be people abusing it, as I say, theres already CD's abusing the "Post Op" tag when they have a cock lol

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By *enniferJayXXX OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Stoke-On-Trent

I think you used to be on BP didn't you, back in the day? You look familiar x

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

I think you used to be on BP didn't you, back in the day? You look familiar x"

not me...maybe someone has stolen my pics...more fool them...lol..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't. You get banned lol Tried that before.

Does post op mean having full operations? I know of a few who would consider themselves trans and live as female 24/7 but don't want their cock removed

Everyone seems to have a different definition

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

This shit again .it was OK to share a category before any transition but not now . do you think a TS is a cut above a TV or a CD .if so maybe you need bringing back down to earth .we are a bloody minority group as it is .why fragment it even more

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

You can't. You get banned lol Tried that before.

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learn to deal with it .stop bleating on pet .its never bothered me .

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

You would like it even less if the categories read

This

That

The other

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Is it that hard to explain things to people when they message .I suppose it is for some

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

I think you need to be careful coming out with ," low life ," comment .see here we go I'm greater than thou attitude stinks .in this day and age you can be whatever you want .

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

I'm not a drag queen ,nor am I hairy panty wearer .I've done this for over 40 .years .so having a pair or tits and a pussy makes you special . well I've got news for you it also mucks your brain up . do not belittle us . I'm sick of this attitude .we all have a life . learn to deal with it .you know its not that hard .this category has stood the test of time long before you came on the scene

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Learn to speak to people ,write to them explain all. Its not that hard is it I may look as though I'm on the attack .I'm not really .I've always been happy to share the category .I'm just fed up with the fewer than the few trying to dictate matters to the rest of us .

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By *ast_jjMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I think they should seperate it out into CD, TV, TS and let each person decide which category they think they fall into. Surely it can't be that difficult to do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please seperate Tv/Ts. Why is this in the same catergory!

Transvestites - biological males that more than likely just part time dress up for sexual fetish or to feel feminine behind closed doors or safe space enviroments. I.e. (Dress up) Live as men, dress up for fantasy.

Transexual/Transgender - Somebody who has medically/surgically transitioned and lives as the gender they feel because they have gender dysphoria. I.e. Name change, gender marker change, sense of mentality, pysically body change (fat distributuon, softer skin, hair on hair, softer facial features, emotionally more sensitive, sustained sex drive, muscle mass reduced, breast tissue) - a transgender female puberty, breast augmentation, facial fe mins at, voice feminization, vaginaplasty.

Why am I and other transgender wome still in the same catergory as a man who decides he wants to dress as a woman a few nights of the week to suck a man off in a glory hole.

We have different feelings, different mindset, we live our life 24/7 as the gender we repserent, we medically transition, our bodies are different. You undress a transgender woman and you get a transgender body. You undress a transvestite you get a man without a wig.

This is outdated and this is wrong. FIX IT.

Sick of hearing transvestites on these who have no real life transgender experiece. We are different and you can clearly see that. You're male privileged just wants to claim something of ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not a drag queen ,nor am I hairy panty wearer .I've done this for over 40 .years .so having a pair or tits and a pussy makes you special . well I've got news for you it also mucks your brain up . do not belittle us . I'm sick of this attitude .we all have a life . learn to deal with it .you know its not that hard .this category has stood the test of time long before you came on the scene "

YOU ARE A TRANSVESTITE, WHY ARE YOU GETTING DEFENSIVE. YOU DON'T LIVE AS A TRANSGENDER WOMAN. accept that's the catergory you should be identified in. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't about time the admins ACTUALLY Listen to people. After all, we are paying YOU and you don't listen to anyone's ideas or suggestions. People have endlessly mentioned the idea of separating TV from TS as they are not in the slightest the same thing. The category tags for TV/TS are so limited and stereotypical it doesn't give us much a chance to describe ourselves. I am already seeing crossdressers and Transvestites abusing the tag section (eg post op). That is when a trans woman has gender reassignment not when a man puts wig on!

about time you actually separated us and gave us genuine trans girls more valid options to chose from.

Why have TG/TS girls not got the "Boobs: Big" "Boobs: Small" Option? why do we not have the hair color option?

Why is the only option we have is stockings and heels and "Cock out".

We are NOT and should not be in the same category as Crossdressers and Transvestites. Get with the times already

tbh as a pansexual man i couldnt agree more

i like trans women but not really fond of crossdresser and 90% of people within the Tv/Ts category are just CD's which makes the real trans people become an object of sexual fantasy when actually they are an entirely different group regardless whether their pre or post op. a lot of the trans people i have spoke to are on hormones and awaiting surgery which is a big step in there lives and

a lot of medical and psychological tests and thing need to be done before the can have gender reassignment

now i know this is going to offend people but a guy in a dress who has no intent on transitioning is no where near the same as someone who has or intends to transition.

now this isn't me being anti cd/tv but its not just the trans community who want to be able to have a better representation of the people they like and i feel it would make this site a little bit more user friendly. im tired of endlessly searching to find actual trans people on here

just from experience i have met both cd's tv's and trans and in my personal experience 3 out of 5 meets the person I've met has literally turned up still as guy no effort when pics clearly show a dressed person when they are presenting themselves on there profile as a t-girl or trans

not only is this misleading but also pushes me away from this site as it is already hard enough to get good quality meets with genuine people, not saying anyone on here is not genuine become in forums ups that, who actually fit the preference you have

i have a very concise laid out profile which specifies what im after yet still cds and tvs aint reading and just objectifying me as balck person yet they are not really what i want with the added category i would be able to be a little more picky with the people i allow onto my profile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't have any issues with wanting different categories and appreciate there are differences between them.

What I don't appreciate is those who dress part time being talked down to or treated as lesser by those who have decided the change is for them. I have never felt I wanted to live as female 24/7 and have respect for those who do and the struggles they go through. I was once called a coward for not having a sex change operation.

For a group that gets maligned a lot by society in general we seem to do a great job at maligning each other as well, rather than let people live as they want to.

Ask for your separate category all you like but why put down or have a go at others to try and make your point?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What pisses transexual/transgender women off and makes us have a go at people is when people just intend that we keep it all the same because it benefits and its ok for you. It adds confusion to the pot. You don't live everyday like we do and you don't get treated a certain way in everyday life because you a cd/tv can choose when and where you decide you are a 'girl'. Where trans men and women are left to deal with the real crap the world gives to us. I.e. Constantly treated and confused for someone's sexual fetish. All we ask is for cd, tv and ts/TG to be seperated so that people who aren't apart of the lgbt have a better understanding that we are different wether you like it or not. we are not alike. Just like someone is straight, bi, gay.

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By *iway2016Man
over a year ago

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I agree with the separate titles. I would love to meet a pre op TS. Although there are many TV's that look great too that I'd like to play with.

However, for CDs I would prefer to meet them in male mode.

There are differences which should be acknowledged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What pisses transexual/transgender women off and makes us have a go at people is when people just intend that we keep it all the same because it benefits and its ok for you. It adds confusion to the pot. You don't live everyday like we do and you don't get treated a certain way in everyday life because you a cd/tv can choose when and where you decide you are a 'girl'. Where trans men and women are left to deal with the real crap the world gives to us. I.e. Constantly treated and confused for someone's sexual fetish. All we ask is for cd, tv and ts/TG to be seperated so that people who aren't apart of the lgbt have a better understanding that we are different wether you like it or not. we are not alike. Just like someone is straight, bi, gay. "

Have no issues with what you say but my point still stands - dont think people need to put others down for choosing different things for themselves. And while many tvs/cds may not get the unfair hassle TS get, they still do get enough hassle from people who dont understand them. let alone from people who should. And I am not saying what ever hassle they get is as bad as the hassle TS/TG have to put with. But would have thought having gone through that hassle themselves they would be more inclined not to dish it out to others, but some seem to like to do just that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a TS on here who has no intention of transititioning and identifies as lesbian. Should she be able to identify as she wishes or is it up to the fab admins to crossreference her genitalia to her underwear?

I agree the category is too narrow with the current tv/ts, but then so is any male calling themselves bi, when you can have bi top, bottom, switch etc

Also what about the difference between m to f and f to m trans?

Complicated but not impossible to deal with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the person identified as transgender TS/TG male or female they should be able to, their gender.

If someone is a CS/TV not their gender, apart of their sexual fetish and part time identity they should be able to. But to cross over both TV/TS is outdated. You are obviously aware they are completely different and it should be seperated. We should lump us all under the same umberella, I don't want to be associated with someone who is doing is part time for just abit of cock. Accept transgender people don't want to be associated with tranvestite, alike women don't want to be associated with transgender women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabswingers shouldn't* lump us all together. Its okay for you tv/cd's to accept it stay tv/ts because you can dress up and be a 'girl' when it suits you to get some cock then back to being a man when you wash it away. You don't have to live with the damage is actually causes to trans people being objectified in the real world as most compared us to the tvs on here. Transgender people are completely different, and we don't want to be constantly confused, associated or addressed like we are a man dressing for fun, when we change our bodies to match our minds. Not to be recognised and confused with a man going into their closet.

I'm just sick of male privilege in the Transvestite world and trans women are left with the crap to fix.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not sure if the male privilege comnent is aimed at me or not. If it is I resent it. I have never said I have the same hassles as someone who wants to or has changed sex and appreciate they can face many issues

I also take offence at the assertion that any male who dresses part time is only doing it for some cock. Again some do but not everyone who wears female clothes part time has a sexual reason for doing it.

I am not arguing about there being difference and wanting a separation on here. I am arguing about the language and need to attack others to do it. It's not the goal I have an issue with but the method.

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By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

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Interesting.

Personally I believe they should be separated as it defines who we want to meet and can't search properly for people we would.

Its no disrespect to anyone but we are all on here looking for something

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

100% agree they should be separate categories.

Those posters saying 'how can you can prove you're TS' - it doesn't matter. This site doesn't involve proof. People can join and say they are bi when they're straight or vice versa. It's about providing sensible categories. After that people are free to use them as they see fit.

And it also isn't about people thinking they're better than others. That's very obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting.

Personally I believe they should be separated as it defines who we want to meet and can't search properly for people we would.

Its no disrespect to anyone but we are all on here looking for something

The language some use to justify implies a disrespect for others esp if talking about privilege

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By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"Interesting.

Personally I believe they should be separated as it defines who we want to meet and can't search properly for people we would.

Its no disrespect to anyone but we are all on here looking for something

The language some use to justify implies a disrespect for others esp if talking about privilege"

I won't get involved in what anyobe has said.

Just saying I agree with separation.

We all have kinks and likes. It's the great diversity of the scene and site.

If someone does not like something on a profile then move along to the next one (use the block function the site provides)

Off to NBN on Saturday night where they will be a broad spectrum of the scene. Not all will tick our boxes but will still be polite and friendly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting.

Personally I believe they should be separated as it defines who we want to meet and can't search properly for people we would.

Its no disrespect to anyone but we are all on here looking for something

The language some use to justify implies a disrespect for others esp if talking about privilege

I won't get involved in what anyobe has said.

Just saying I agree with separation.

We all have kinks and likes. It's the great diversity of the scene and site.

If someone does not like something on a profile then move along to the next one (use the block function the site provides)

Off to NBN on Saturday night where they will be a broad spectrum of the scene. Not all will tick our boxes but will still be polite and friendly

Totally agree on last part and hope you have good night out

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By *rkeb3Man
over a year ago

east Lancashire road

can all the transgender on here

show their pussy or cock

display it

i will seperate u

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I do think there is a big difference between a TS who lives full time and a TV or CD.

The fact this topic appears so often shows that people feel strongly and i cant see why it cant be sorted.

Im also disappointed to hear that a trans woman cant be classed as a woman on here.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

Personally, an individual knows what they are, if they have any intelligence at all.

I do wish Fab would put DQ CD TV TS TG as a separation, because there is most definitely a difference between each of them. They should also have a description of each listed for people to educate themselves as to the differences, because many do not know these things, which is more than apparent based on what I've seen.

As for me, in my profile, it clearly states that I'm a

secret transgender woman. I've been this way since I was a child, and I always will be. I've had no surgery, and don't ever plan on having any to become a TS, I'm happy being a secret TG woman.

I think more people should put a bit more information in their profiles.

Also, be openminded, be nice to people, until it's time not to be nice.

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By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"Personally, an individual knows what they are, if they have any intelligence at all.

As for me, in my profile, it clearly states that I'm a

secret transgender woman. I've been this way since I was a child, and I always will be. I've had no surgery, and don't ever plan on having any to become a TS, I'm happy being a secret TG woman.

I think more people should put a bit more information in their profiles.

Also, be openminded, be nice to people, until it's time not to be nice.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"can all the transgender on here

show their pussy or cock

display it

i will seperate u "

I can't believe the stupid ignorance on here sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an occasionally Transvestite with no surgery or hormones. And yet I consider myself very much trans. How should I describe myself?

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

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This is a minefield and no mistake as we have one heading that covers so much diversity. We are all human and with different needs and desires not to mention different life styles, and no one is superior to anyone else. Other sites manage to separate the choices fairly successfully, so perhaps Fab could learn a thing or two from them.

I class my self as TG as I dress full time and now classed as a woman on my driving licence and passport, however I have no intention of losing my cock as I enjoy the attention and sex with females too and the sexual relationship I have with my partner as well. In fact I am very happy with my lot. It hasn't been a easy journey and i have great sympathy for those that choose to have surgery, but please don't look down down on those that can't or choose not to. But something needs to change as We are grouped together from HPW to full TS post op, that just can't be right can it ?

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By *DKinkyJenTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

I certainly wouldn’t class myself as trans and quite clearly state on my profile that I’m a CD/TV (I’m not really clear as to if there is much of a difference, so any help in terms of that is greatly appreciated) so I would have no issue with a separation, however I also recognise that with self identification (which I have no issue with at all) this may create a whole accusation of the person not being transgendered based on pictures that would be posted in that category.

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By *iway2016Man
over a year ago

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"I certainly wouldn’t class myself as trans and quite clearly state on my profile that I’m a CD/TV (I’m not really clear as to if there is much of a difference, so any help in terms of that is greatly appreciated) so I would have no issue with a separation, however I also recognise that with self identification (which I have no issue with at all) this may create a whole accusation of the person not being transgendered based on pictures that would be posted in that category. "

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better."

Wrong, try googling it.

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By *iway2016Man
over a year ago

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As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it."

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people.

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By *DKinkyJenTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it.

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people."

Well we class ourselves as transexual or transgender but have no intention of having the operation, hence no pre op . Transgender is a state of mind basically and we dress full time and on hormones. Some will argue differently, but hey who cares, certainly not me.

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By *DKinkyJenTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it.

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people.

Could you clarify on the TV/CD debate as I’m genuinely wanting an answer, is what was posted at least somewhat right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Low lifes"

That's one of the bigger problems and not just this site. For a lot of people cd/tv's are only one step below mp's and axe murderers. Why, Lord knows

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it.

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people.

Could you clarify on the TV/CD debate as I’m genuinely wanting an answer, is what was posted at least somewhat right?"

Why ask me, I don't pretend to be a expert on these matters. I can only talk from experience and my understanding of the matter.

However I see a CD as a part time cross dresser maybe a HPW too.

TV a transvestite someone who dresses but will go the whole way including makeup etc but still part time.

TS and TG is usually full time and lives as a woman full time and may consider surgery or not.

I hope this helps, but this is open to debate as it's a very difficult subject and touches on people's emotions.

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By *DKinkyJenTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it.

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people.

Could you clarify on the TV/CD debate as I’m genuinely wanting an answer, is what was posted at least somewhat right?

Why ask me, I don't pretend to be a expert on these matters. I can only talk from experience and my understanding of the matter.

However I see a CD as a part time cross dresser maybe a HPW too.

TV a transvestite someone who dresses but will go the whole way including makeup etc but still part time.

TS and TG is usually full time and lives as a woman full time and may consider surgery or not.

I hope this helps, but this is open to debate as it's a very difficult subject and touches on people's emotions."

I was wanting a voice of experience to guide me

. I suppose my original question got misconstrued by the person who responded as I wasn’t actually wanting to know about the difference between CD/TV/TS/TG, which I’ve got a grip on the understanding of, rather than the difference between CD and TV. I guess I will probably just use CD and TV interchangeably from now on

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

As I understand the terminology:

CD - a guy who dresses as a female.

TV - a guy who not only dresses as a female, but does his best to resemble a female too. A TV will shave legs, facial hair etc. whereas a CD doesn't.

TS - A woman who used to be a man, has had HRT and lives full time as a woman.

TG - A woman who has fully transitioned from a man.

This is only my understanding and is subject to correction from those who know better.

Wrong, try googling it.

Google isn't always right. I prefer to hear it from real people.

Could you clarify on the TV/CD debate as I’m genuinely wanting an answer, is what was posted at least somewhat right?

Why ask me, I don't pretend to be a expert on these matters. I can only talk from experience and my understanding of the matter.

However I see a CD as a part time cross dresser maybe a HPW too.

TV a transvestite someone who dresses but will go the whole way including makeup etc but still part time.

TS and TG is usually full time and lives as a woman full time and may consider surgery or not.

I hope this helps, but this is open to debate as it's a very difficult subject and touches on people's emotions.

I was wanting a voice of experience to guide me

If you didn't want me to respond why quote on my tag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fabswingers is wise in keeping us all together,lets keep out confusion, theories and endless labels...

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

about time you actually separated us and gave us genuine trans girls more valid options to chose from.

Why have TG/TS girls not got the "Boobs: Big" "Boobs: Small" Option? why do we not have the hair color option?

Why is the only option we have is stockings and heels and "Cock out".

We are NOT and should not be in the same category as Crossdressers and Transvestites. Get with the times already

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if you just used the gay option that would be job done. All this trans and non sexual and all inbetween gets on my nerves. If your born a guy and you like guys, your bi or gay, no matter what you wear or what surgery you have, your gay. Same for females dressing as males and fancying females, your gay. Now that is totally fine but some of the new terminology is frankly just bizarre!

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By *ndrew CareyMan
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

There's a significant difference between a TS and TV and they should be different.

I can see the logic with a preop TS and postop TS but a TV is completely different.

Especially when the TVs message you asking to hook up when it's clear you are not interested in a dude in a dress.

Don't mean to sound crass but that's what it is no matter how people want to spin it.

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

gender reassignment not when a man puts wig

about time you actually separated us and gave us genuine trans girls more valid options to chose from.

Why have TG/TS girls not got the "Boobs: Big" "Boobs: Small" Option? why do we not have the

hair color option?

Why is the only option we have is stockings and heels and "Cock out".

We are NOT and should not be in the same category as Crossdressers and Transvestites. Get with the times already

if you just used the gay option that would be job done. All this trans and non sexual and all inbetween gets

on my nerves. If your born a guy and you like

guys, your bi or gay, no matter what you wear or

what surgery you have, your gay. Same for

females dressing as males and fancying females,

your gay. Now that is totally fine but some of the

new terminology is frankly just bizarre! "

You are absolutely, "Wrong", in most everything you quoted.

Just because someone was born of the male or female gender, doesn't always mean they are gay or bi if they are sexually attracted to the same gender they were born. There is much more that has to be ascertained in each situation to determine sexuality. For instance, in my situation, they only reason I mention that I'm bisexual in my profile, is because I'm sexually attracted to women, not because I'm sexually attracted to men. The reason being, sexually, my mindset is as a woman, and always has been. When I'm with a woman sexually, I feel like a woman as well, which to me feels bisexual, which is just fine in my view. I have never felt gay or bi when I was with a man, nor should I feel that way. Sexuality has never been an either or situation, nor will it ever be. A persons sexuality is not so easily defined by others, in many cases.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Just worry about your own label and lets others worry about theirs. Your post depresses me.

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By *ain n MableWoman
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Surely if you put the TS's in a separate category to the TV's then what's to stop a Post Op TS who is as narrow minded as you complaining that Pre Op are only in the half way house.

There will be eggs and flour everywhere and I'm not cleaning up the mess..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

personally think the OP is 100% right.

and surely very easy for admin to do,,plus as the op says people are paying money in some cases to be on here,maybe more people would pay if this was fixed.

btw the way tvs ts's,hairy pant wearers,drag queens bitch about labels does amuse me,,fucking hilarious

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By *unoutsideMan
over a year ago

travel

I fully agree they should be two separate categories. I see the argument for misue and there are always going to be people who purposefully put themselves in the wrong catagory and there is a ‘grey’ area but will be much better than it is today. I don’t feel the category serves anyone who searches it currently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I fully agree they should be two separate categories. I see the argument for misue and there are always going to be people who purposefully put themselves in the wrong catagory and there is a ‘grey’ area but will be much better than it is today. I don’t feel the category serves anyone who searches it currently. "

yea most people think so so why don't admin sort it out tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its just adding confusion, we already have trans putting on their profiles they are Females, which to most hetrosexual folks would be confusing and perchance a source of embarrassment, some would feel it would be misleading and deceptive...

Its simply a case of a hardcore minority, a very small fragment oft consisting of cyber fantasists and attention seeking trans seeking to enforce their dreams, fantasies and theories apon the hetrosexual community...

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

My there's a lot of bitching on this thread. I hope one day admin listens to you op,I can't see why they don't do it it seems a very simple thing to do to me.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I think we will leave it there now as it is going like these threads normally do, attacking people.

Admin read every suggestion, if they are going to go with it they will post a thread letting us all know

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