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"Like the feature. We can now see who we've "fab'd". But how can we see if any of our own pics have been fab'd, and by whom (assuming that any of them have been)?" "coming soon". Admin x | |||
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"Can photos be seen if they are normally kept private?" No. This page is for public photos only. Private photos are just that, private for you to send by private mail. They won't show up in any public areas. Friend only photos won't show on this page either (even to friends). Admin x | |||
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"At the risk of sounding sulky - my pic has been fab'd 22 times but isn't showing in the top pics but other pics with less fabs are. Is this a bug?" No. The "most recent" shows "Fabs" left during past 24 hours. You are looking at your total Fabs. Admin x | |||
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"Ah ok that makes sense. Didn't think of that. Thanks " It's not that clear, we'll make it more obvious what's going on, when we next update. Admin x | |||
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"until we actually suss out what fab'd pics are we will not be showing any of our pics in public gallery...our profile states no one has our permission to copy or publish our pics with out our permission .....and from the sound of it fab seems to be doing this....reading what is explained about fab'd pics no correct rules seem to be set...Date 24/10/2011...time 23.37pm signed kinky and winky" "Q. I hate it and don't want my photos Fabbing! A. Opt out available on the privacy page http://www.fabswingers.com/my/privacy --- Q. If I opt out are all my Fab'd photos removed from people's Fab'd pages? A. Yes. --- Admin x" ?????? | |||
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"until we actually suss out what fab'd pics are we will not be showing any of our pics in public gallery...our profile states no one has our permission to copy or publish our pics with out our permission .....and from the sound of it fab seems to be doing this....reading what is explained about fab'd pics no correct rules seem to be set...Date 24/10/2011...time 23.37pm signed kinky and winky" No one is forcing you to show any pics that you don't want people to see or encouraging anyone to lift them. Having this new feature won't change anything at all other than people can give a thumbs up if they like your pic. If you don't want people to do this you have two options. 1. Put all your pics to private . 2. Set your filters so no one can Fab your pics. http://www.fabswingers.com/my/filters | |||
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"until we actually suss out what fab'd pics are we will not be showing any of our pics in public gallery...our profile states no one has our permission to copy or publish our pics with out our permission .....and from the sound of it fab seems to be doing this....reading what is explained about fab'd pics no correct rules seem to be set...Date 24/10/2011...time 23.37pm signed kinky and winky" Just wanted to point out that regardless what you put on your profile, everyone has a print screen button on their keyboard, you can copy your pics to their hearts content. The only way you can stop that is by not uploading pics to the Internet. You'd have no idea if someone did a screen dump so how would you enforce what's written on your profile? That pretty much invalidated it. | |||
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"It's suprised me that some of the most fab'd pics are of TV's and quite a few are of curvy, voluptuous girls but are also very good photographs. Surely that shows that lots of people like different things in a pic? S." I wonder how many of those pics will get un-fab'd once you can see who fab'd them lol! | |||
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" ...We all have our own opinions on what makes a good picture and does not, and one of the key features of Fab was that it welcomed ALL types. Why poison our opinions with the now-public aggregate opinion of others? This is a popularity metric that halts our own thinking process. "If 300 people think that picture is hot, then I must think it too!"..." I would agree with you, if it was a) compulsory, b) accompanied by a negative thumbs-down option, or c) verbatim comments ("cock too small"/"arse too saggy", etc). But as it is, it's just a way of paying compliments. It shouldn't be viewed as a popularity metric - some profiles will always be viewed/Fab-ed more than others, so anyone who doesn't get Fab-ed should just assume that the peeps who find them attractive have chosen not to use this feature (or don't know about it) I don't see it as "poisoning opinions" at all - it's just a laugh and a lighthearted way for people to flirt | |||
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" ...We all have our own opinions on what makes a good picture and does not, and one of the key features of Fab was that it welcomed ALL types. Why poison our opinions with the now-public aggregate opinion of others? This is a popularity metric that halts our own thinking process. "If 300 people think that picture is hot, then I must think it too!"... I would agree with you, if it was a) compulsory, b) accompanied by a negative thumbs-down option, or c) verbatim comments ("cock too small"/"arse too saggy", etc). But as it is, it's just a way of paying compliments. It shouldn't be viewed as a popularity metric - some profiles will always be viewed/Fab-ed more than others, so anyone who doesn't get Fab-ed should just assume that the peeps who find them attractive have chosen not to use this feature (or don't know about it) I don't see it as "poisoning opinions" at all - it's just a laugh and a lighthearted way for people to flirt " fabd pics?winks?...as compliments?...surely thats offensive lol | |||
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"until we actually suss out what fab'd pics are we will not be showing any of our pics in public gallery...our profile states no one has our permission to copy or publish our pics with out our permission .....and from the sound of it fab seems to be doing this....reading what is explained about fab'd pics no correct rules seem to be set...Date 24/10/2011...time 23.37pm signed kinky and winky No one is forcing you to show any pics that you don't want people to see or encouraging anyone to lift them. Having this new feature won't change anything at all other than people can give a thumbs up if they like your pic. If you don't want people to do this you have two options. 1. Put all your pics to private . 2. Set your filters so no one can Fab your pics. http://www.fabswingers.com/my/filters" Correction.....http://www.fabswingers.com/my/privacy | |||
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"Effectively, by submitting them for public consumption ("membership" of a site does not count as membership is not restricted in any way) all rights to the material have been given away." Actually that's entirely untrue, at least depending on the jurisdiction. Within Europe, where copyright ownership is maintained by an author/creator of any work, copyright cannot be assumed to be thrown away just by publishing material on the web. Only if copyright is explicitly revoked by the author can the work be assumed to be in the public domain or, for example, published under a copyleft license such as those published by the Creative Commons. In other jurisdictions, and I suspect the US is a culprit, this is not necessarily the case. But at least in Europe, the legal understanding is extremely sound indeed. Publishing on the web does not imply public domain. Ever. Of course, the web may make it -easy- to accumulate copyrighted works, but that is very different from legally correct. | |||
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"Effectively, by submitting them for public consumption ("membership" of a site does not count as membership is not restricted in any way) all rights to the material have been given away. Actually that's entirely untrue, at least depending on the jurisdiction. Within Europe, where copyright ownership is maintained by an author/creator of any work, copyright cannot be assumed to be thrown away just by publishing material on the web. Only if copyright is explicitly revoked by the author can the work be assumed to be in the public domain or, for example, published under a copyleft license such as those published by the Creative Commons. In other jurisdictions, and I suspect the US is a culprit, this is not necessarily the case. But at least in Europe, the legal understanding is extremely sound indeed. Publishing on the web does not imply public domain. Ever. Of course, the web may make it -easy- to accumulate copyrighted works, but that is very different from legally correct." I'm afraid that in several cases in THIS country, the opposite has been upheld. Normal copyright has been found in England to be unenforceable when the owner wilfully publishes content on the web in a manner that gives expectation of such copyright being infringed. Please note that I said unenforceable, not voided. In effect, if you publish something to a website where there is a reasonable expectation of the material being purloined, then the author has shared in the theft, making enforcement impractical. I guess I could ask the solicitor to quote me the precedents, but you could probably Google them more easily. I understand there are quite a few. | |||
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"I'm afraid that in several cases in THIS country, the opposite has been upheld. Normal copyright has been found in England to be unenforceable when the owner wilfully publishes content on the web in a manner that gives expectation of such copyright being infringed. Please note that I said unenforceable, not voided. In effect, if you publish something to a website where there is a reasonable expectation of the material being purloined, then the author has shared in the theft, making enforcement impractical. I guess I could ask the solicitor to quote me the precedents, but you could probably Google them more easily. I understand there are quite a few." I was responding specifically to your suggestion that rights are relinquished by publishing on the web, which is patently untrue. (Copyright CANNOT be relinquished through the act of publishing; the purpose of copyright is to protect the creator of a work once published!) If the rights are deemed unenforceable, then that's another (questionable) matter, and presumably relies on how the owner of the copyright treated the work, or whether they could be reasonably identified as the creator. Another matter again is a court's misinterpretation of the law. There have indeed been cases where a judge has interpreted publishing on the web to imply "releasing into the public domain", and indeed these judgements have been (rightfully) quashed. | |||
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"Hate it.. Just what we need, more timewasting pic hunters decending on the site. And are the one's that like this feature aware of just how exposed your pics are now? The gallery feature used to be just for site supporters, now there's a gallery for every one to see if your pics are popular enough. Sorry, but can't help but feel this feature will ruin the site within months. And if it's just (an ill conceived) bit of fun for those that want to take part, why wasn't it an option to 'opt in' rather than having to opt out??" I can pic hunt any pic by right clicking it and saving to my computer...I dont see the difference of the feature that is being used for users of the site.it wont cause more pic collectors, it just has photographs of different profiles in ur account- there is no difference, apart from what u wish to show for it to be rated. The new pics gallery works much in the same way does it not?-and thats been around for a while. | |||
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"And if it's just (an ill conceived) bit of fun for those that want to take part, why wasn't it an option to 'opt in' rather than having to opt out??" +1. | |||
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"being able to opt-out of showing as online" THIS would be amazing. Also: I'd really like some secrecy with my messages. I don't want to know when somebody has read them. I don't want other people to know when I've read mine. This alone would cut down a lot of the abuse people get ("she deleted my message without replying!"). | |||
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"being able to opt-out of showing as online THIS would be amazing. Also: I'd really like some secrecy with my messages. I don't want to know when somebody has read them. I don't want other people to know when I've read mine. This alone would cut down a lot of the abuse people get ("she deleted my message without replying!")." To this effect, I posted a couple of feature requests: Online status privacy: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/74805 Message read/unread status privacy: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/74806 | |||
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"being able to opt-out of showing as online THIS would be amazing. Also: I'd really like some secrecy with my messages. I don't want to know when somebody has read them. I don't want other people to know when I've read mine. This alone would cut down a lot of the abuse people get ("she deleted my message without replying!")." thats why admin have the report button | |||
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"As far as I'm concerned this pic fabbing malarkey is a little bit Facebook - a slightly juvenile "look how many people love me" popularity contest. I suspect that the people who are getting the most Fabs are probably getting a lot more mail as a result - and a lot of it will be of the usual low standard - though to be fair they are probably members who attract a lot of messages in the first place so it may not be something that bothers them too much. So its probably mostly harmless, but its also a bit "so what?" I'm genuinely curious to know why, out Of all the things that could have been done and have been suggested that would make a real improvement to peoples experience on Fab - such as being able to opt-out of showing as online, or an incoming mailbox limit to stop new members from being so utterly swamped, or a reminder when posting an event that includes categories on your mail filter list, why was this completely trivial feature selected as a priority over those things? Honestly admin - I'd love to know! " No matter what change we make there are always two reactions (and sometimes, hopefully, a third): 1. No matter how innocuous, some will hate the change. This is guaranteed. 2. Even if they don't actually hate it, some users will tell us we should have done x, y or z first - features which, we are assured, will be universally liked/needed/wanted (although often co-incidentally by the person in question). 3. If we're lucky, some people will like the change and it will make the site and community a better place. If we think that having a Fab'd link will improve feedback to the uploaders, we might expect for example to see an increase in photo uploads and that's something we can (and do) verify. In summary: We appreciate we can't please all the people all the time but we do listen to all feedback and it does help shape the site (some examples from this year for example, improved filters on age and different sexes thereby improving quality of contacts, improved upload by both email and flash with resize and rotate). As well as "front-facing" features this year we have also done significant (over 50% of our time) work on site speed and reliability, anti-spam measures, improvements to help with management and moderation processes and more that is "behind the scenes". Lots of times we introduce features that haven't been asked for because, as Henry Ford once (supposedly) said: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." We also should say we sometimes work on new stuff because it's fun to do Hope this helps understand our process. Admin x | |||
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" In summary: We appreciate we can't please all the people all the time but we do listen to all feedback and it does help shape the site (some examples from this year for example, improved filters on age and different sexes thereby improving quality of contacts, improved upload by both email and flash with resize and rotate). As well as "front-facing" features this year we have also done significant (over 50% of our time) work on site speed and reliability, anti-spam measures, improvements to help with management and moderation processes and more that is "behind the scenes". " not a fan of Fab'd and we cant personally see much benefit apart from those who now have an instant 'wank bank' of pics ... but no one can dispute that admin are not trying hard to keep the site fresh and nurture ideas to improve the site for all users keep up the good work | |||
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"well fuckit, Ive been getting nice mail from those who arent at all bothered by 'fabbing'- bloody complimentary gestures that can have some positive.All this negativity is absolute tripe.the option is there to take it or leave it, stop being lazy and ruining some others funAn all too serious amount of folks are the ones who also give the site a bad name...just like the 'timewasters+fakes'" Feedback and criticism are not negativity. | |||
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"improved filters on age and different sexes thereby improving quality of contacts, improved upload by both email and flash with resize and rotate). As well as "front-facing" features this year we have also done significant (over 50% of our time) work on site speed and reliability, anti-spam measures, improvements to help with management and moderation processes and more that is "behind the scenes"." And these are all superbly done and much appreciated! But, equally, it's the sterling work that goes on behind the scenes (that /is/ noticed, by the way) that makes this gimmicky "fab'd" feature quite a surprise. I for oen would be happy if status updates worked properly (character escaping) before this sort of stuff was built. I'd be happier again if this fab'd feature had been opt-in. | |||
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"well fuckit, Ive been getting nice mail from those who arent at all bothered by 'fabbing'- bloody complimentary gestures that can have some positive.All this negativity is absolute tripe.the option is there to take it or leave it, stop being lazy and ruining some others funAn all too serious amount of folks are the ones who also give the site a bad name...just like the 'timewasters+fakes' Feedback and criticism are not negativity." dunno where ur looking from rast, but i see only negativity, and critiscism thats really not that much of a big deal...maybe people should concentrate on things that work on fab for them... mopaning about winks/fabbed pics is pretty much a dead issue already.... altho...when ppl start finding out who fabs them..its gonna be funny the 'straight' profiles hating the fact bi people are fabbin them lol | |||
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"dunno where ur looking from rast, but i see only negativity, and critiscism thats really not that much of a big deal...maybe people should concentrate on things that work on fab for them... mopaning about winks/fabbed pics is pretty much a dead issue already.... altho...when ppl start finding out who fabs them..its gonna be funny the 'straight' profiles hating the fact bi people are fabbin them lol" I am afraid to say I see no negativity here. If people raise comment, it's because they care. Nobody asked for this feature, and it has potential privacy implications. Nobody asked to be opted in by default. These are serious issues that require a serious discussion. All feedback is good feedback, man! | |||
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"dunno where ur looking from rast, but i see only negativity, and critiscism thats really not that much of a big deal...maybe people should concentrate on things that work on fab for them... mopaning about winks/fabbed pics is pretty much a dead issue already.... altho...when ppl start finding out who fabs them..its gonna be funny the 'straight' profiles hating the fact bi people are fabbin them lol I am afraid to say I see no negativity here. If people raise comment, it's because they care. Nobody asked for this feature, and it has potential privacy implications. Nobody asked to be opted in by default. These are serious issues that require a serious discussion. All feedback is good feedback, man!" think i pointed out my privacy issue lol...ive just visited ur profile rast, and right clicked n saved ur pics...theoretically lol ...there is no privacy issue anyway how ya doing am closeby...any parties happenin | |||
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"anyway how ya doing am closeby...any parties happenin" I've always kept myself to myself and play with my close friends on here. (I have been here for three years now.) I don't really attend parties in that sense! | |||
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"anyway how ya doing am closeby...any parties happenin I've always kept myself to myself and play with my close friends on here. (I have been here for three years now.) I don't really attend parties in that sense!" och thats no very friendly. and im outta sugar! hehehe | |||
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"I think i must be to simple If you have public photos how can you complain about who looks at them and who doesnt. If you dont want people to see them put them in private. Anyone has always been able to copy pictures of the internet, if i can do it in two seconds then everyone else can. There is only ONE way to protect your photos on the internet and thats by not putting any on. Some people seem to spend more time moaning about stuff than enjoying themselves. I really do shake my head sometimes" never knew u had any computery skills...good for u!-goodgirl condescendingly urs xxx hehehehe x | |||
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"I think i must be to simple If you have public photos how can you complain about who looks at them and who doesnt. If you dont want people to see them put them in private." Probably "fabbing" photos itself isn't too much of an issue, but I bet some people would be surprised by the amplification effect of multiple "fab"s leading to more "fab"s once a picture makes it into the "Hot photos" section. There's a difference between showing pictures publicly for people to find naturally, and having your photos indexed by a ranking mechanism and displayed to allcomers. And yes, this affects what pictures people want to show publicly, and which they show privately, but not necessarily in ways that people might predict. The privacy issue is not "saving pictures from the internet". The gripe is that people were opted in to a ranking system without permission being sought first. I didn't sign up all those years ago for this place to turn into hotornot, and as an old timer I'm happy to make my case against this new feature. "Some people seem to spend more time moaning about stuff than enjoying themselves. I really do shake my head sometimes" We're being pretty positive in here. Please keep the insults down! | |||
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"Sorry but I think you are just complaining now for the sake of it. It is a click of a button to opt out...surely it can't be that hard to do to opt out. It has took you a lot longer to keep typing the fact you don't like it, the simple answer is to opt out and let the people who do like it, use it. " I opted out immediately. I'm arguing a reasonable point that people should have to opt in, and I haven't had a reasonable argument against my stance yet. Despite the negative responses, I'm enjoying the discussion! | |||
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"If that was what you had against it....It might have been easier to just ask Admin " why is it opt out and not opt in " because your first few posts didn't touch on that....it was more against it for a variety of other reasons." Indeed yes. My argument was refined as little as two days ago when somebody made the point that it should be opt-in. I agreed whole-heartedly! | |||
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"Love the Fab pics feature and see it as a bit of fun, though would ask that Admin think about making it available only to verified profiles. Just looked at page 1 of the currently hot pics and at least half were from unverified profiles, many less than a day old. No doubt many of these will turn out to be fake. If this continues, genuine profile users will begin to wonder why they bother." We've also noticed this. We'll be adjusting the top photos algorithm shortly to exclude these type of photos. We're still working on the details but we'll probably only show photos from new accounts if they are also photo-verified. Admin x | |||
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"We're still working on the details but we'll probably only show photos from new accounts if they are also photo-verified. Admin x" Brilliant idea. | |||
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"We're still working on the details but we'll probably only show photos from new accounts if they are also photo-verified. Admin x Brilliant idea." It has been done: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/74959 Admin x | |||
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"What about users blatantly reposting pictures that they already have on their profile to get them back on the Gallery of New Pics, hoping to get them fab'd again?? " Yup noticed that myself loads latley | |||
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"funny how individual profiles which have been blocked can still view your pic's and Fab'd them " They shouldn't be able to, the system is specifically designed to stop this. If you think someone you have blocked has Fab'd a photo of yours contact us privately with details we'll check it out. Admin x | |||
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"dunno where ur looking from rast, but i see only negativity, and critiscism thats really not that much of a big deal...maybe people should concentrate on things that work on fab for them... mopaning about winks/fabbed pics is pretty much a dead issue already.... altho...when ppl start finding out who fabs them..its gonna be funny the 'straight' profiles hating the fact bi people are fabbin them lol I am afraid to say I see no negativity here. If people raise comment, it's because they care. Nobody asked for this feature, and it has potential privacy implications. Nobody asked to be opted in by default. These are serious issues that require a serious discussion. All feedback is good feedback, man!" Agree. And as for those saying why not make all your pics private, the whole point of being here is to meet people - how many profiles do you dismiss because there isn't a single picture on display? I know we do.. OK, so it's not the end of the world. Just still feel it should have been on opt in thing rather than having to opt out, and would like to think that admin would consider this when introducing new 'site enhancing' features in the future. From the replies to many peoples concerns on here though, I'm guessing maybe not.. | |||
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