FabSwingers.com forum: Club reviews

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi, can we please get some more mods taking a look at club reviews? There seems to be a lot of people who complain against a club then get personal and very offensive if anyone responds in any way.... Offensive comments are reported but an overview would be nice...

Also, hows it going adding the dropdown for "not for us" to go with the others, as "avoid" is inappropriate in a lot of cases....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of clubs have a "regular" clique that will defend the place in the face of any criticism. This can often lead to personal remarks being made. If you look at some clubs reviews closely and then visit the club itself, it can often be found that nearly ALL the "positive" reviews have been written by staff, owners and good friends of the owners. The negative reviews then get badly attacked as soon as they get posted. We can't see how you will ever manage to stop this, but it is interesting to note that, thus far, every club we have visited that had dramatically conflicting reviews, turned out to be rubbish!

As to the "AVOID" flag, as each review is subjective effectively, the reviewer is saying that their advice is to avoid. It is an opinion, not a command! They are in effect saying that the place was not for them. If you go to the club and disagree, then you would be able to say as much.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Hi, can we please get some more mods taking a look at club reviews? There seems to be a lot of people who complain against a club then get personal and very offensive if anyone responds in any way.... Offensive comments are reported but an overview would be nice...

Also, hows it going adding the dropdown for "not for us" to go with the others, as "avoid" is inappropriate in a lot of cases...."

i would tend to agree with you... however i don't think your post tends to help the situation on that particular club either.... I think it will more fan flames...

as long as any criticism of a club is constructive then i don't see a problem... so if a club doesn't have for example a couples only night, and you think that could help in the future, then why not

the problem i have if that when people work on "heresay"... then classic "i've never been to a club, but this is what I have heard" and then set upon bashing a place......

if the facilities can be improved.. cool.. say so... if you happen not to have fun because you didn't find the clientel in.. i don't think that is fair bashing of a club...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He didn't mention a particular club??????

And if a club is put forward as being "busy" and "popular" then gets visited on a main party night and found to be mostly empty as the reported clientele are not in, surely it is quite fair to critique the place on that basis?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"A lot of clubs have a "regular" clique that will defend the place in the face of any criticism. This can often lead to personal remarks being made. If you look at some clubs reviews closely and then visit the club itself, it can often be found that nearly ALL the "positive" reviews have been written by staff, owners and good friends of the owners. The negative reviews then get badly attacked as soon as they get posted. We can't see how you will ever manage to stop this, but it is interesting to note that, thus far, every club we have visited that had dramatically conflicting reviews, turned out to be rubbish!

I would agree with this. The problem seems to be that when a less than favourable review is posted, the people who like the club think they need to defend the club, then get personal, the person comes back who made the first review and all hell breaks loose.

If people LET others post a review , there wouldn't be the problem on the club section that happens all the time ( I have literally just added a comment on one review section saying the same thing before seeing this post )

to the OP...the site is not manned 24/7, but when a mod logs in they will deal with what they read.

Always report the club review though, as when Admin log in they can deal with it if needed

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

but surely numbers who go to a club on a particular night isn't an exact science..

for example...

this time of year many people would be on holiday,

and there was a huge football game here saturday,

and there may well have been parties and socials on a weekend..

plus a lot of people may wait until the long weekend next weekend to have fun...

what happens to concerts thrown in, babysitters cancelling ect ect ect.......

if a club is deliberatly lying to get folks in I would agree, but if a club with the best of intentions is normally busy and on one weekend it wasn't... other than going thru the books of the club, the clubs can't be held accountable for that surely...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recently left a rather critical review of a club I visited last week but I can assure you I was not "club bashing" I was merely pointing out improvements that NEED to addressed. I also complimented them on things I found good about the venue. People need to be informed of the truth when the club advertised having certain facilities which they don't!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I recently left a rather critical review of a club I visited last week but I can assure you I was not "club bashing" I was merely pointing out improvements that NEED to addressed. I also complimented them on things I found good about the venue. People need to be informed of the truth when the club advertised having certain facilities which they don't!"

that i don't have a problem with at all.. constructive criticism and false advertising...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read the reviews of some clubs (and I have several in mind that I won't name) then they are constantly reviewed as being huge "parties" over 80 couples etc. etc. This happens all the time! When you visit the club, there are less than 20 people there INCLUDING the staff! When you ask what happened, you usually get told that they are mystified as over 100 (or whatever) had booked in....they cannot understand what has happened! Then when you get told by the few "ordinary" visitors that there is never much difference. Then I'm afraid it is perfectly valid.

Swinging, by it's essence, is a social activity. A "club" or "party" implies that there will be a social gathering of people. If you pay good money to go to a club, which is then nearly empty, then I'm afraid I think it is quite fair to say so.

Why should I praise a club that was boring and empty based on the potential it has? I (and anyone else) should review WHAT THEY ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED anything else, is not a review, it is a work of fiction!

I can think of one club (nameless) that has been going quite some time that ALWAYS advertises parties as being packed out and difficult to book into because of numbers. This particular club has rarely attracted even double figures!

But your reaction is typical of a regular at some club or other, either that or you don't attend clubs. Trust me, when you can only get out once in a while, You lay out £150 on booze, petrol, hotel etc. Another £30 to £50 entry fee for a club plus £25 for a babysitter, to go to a club that has the staff, plus one guy nursing a shandy in the corner......all the platitudes in the world fall flat!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wow, this thread got busy lol.

I have no issue about constructive critisism. The club reviews that sparked this had got nasty, so I reported and asked only that the offensive ones were removed. As my review commented on those I also suggested that it be removed and it has, so alls fair all round.

The strangest one I noticed on the reviews was a couple who slated and incited a lot of slanging matches for a lot of reviews, but defended their chosen club like it was the holy grail... they kicked off no end if anyone argued lol

As to avoid, I just find that its a bit strong and that it often doesnt describe the review properly... adding somethimg slightly different would let the reviews be more descriptive and accurate...

I do agree with the previous poster on the fact that clubs should not make up numbers, but ultimately this is like going out to any club, vanilla or not... who knows how many are coming/will be there until you get there. Anoying if you have layed out a lot of money, but it is your choice to risk it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not when the club puts forward the impression that it is always busy.....the word you seek there is misrepresentation! That would not be MY risk as you put it, rather it would be a decision I had made based on information I had been given.....as I said, misrepresentation!

And frankly, if I don't like a club, I would avoid it, as such, AVOID works for me as it would be my opinion and that is what MY review would be.

You don't seem to grasp that YOUR opinion differs and you cannot make me, or anyone else for that matter, take up your opinion if they don't wish it so!

I disagree with you totally, I do not expect you to agree or see my point of view, however I should point out that you can protest for ever more and I will still disagree with you. That is my right, I don't think it is healthy to try to force your opinion on others! What YOU may think is an attack, may well be constructive criticism in someone else's opinion. It is not for you, or anyone else to decide what anthers opinion may be!

By the way......which club do you own or work for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not when the club puts forward the impression that it is always busy.....the word you seek there is misrepresentation! That would not be MY risk as you put it, rather it would be a decision I had made based on information I had been given.....as I said, misrepresentation!

And frankly, if I don't like a club, I would avoid it, as such, AVOID works for me as it would be my opinion and that is what MY review would be.

You don't seem to grasp that YOUR opinion

differs and you cannot make me, or anyone else for that matter, take up your opinion if they don't wish it so!

I disagree with you totally, I do not expect you to agree or see my point of view, however I should point out that you can protest for ever more anI will still disagree with you. That is my right, I don't think it is healthy to try to force your opinion on others! What YOU may think is an attack, may well be constructive criticism in someone else's opinion. It is not for you, or anyone else to decide what anthers opinion may be!

By the way......which club do you own or work for?"
that's exactly what I was thinking lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wow, venom! lol

I don't work or own any club, just like going to them. The reviews that were looked at involved personal comments, most calling someone a c**t, hence they were looked at as they were in no way a review. The original negative type review is still on as it is constructive.

As for the rest, giving people the choice to give their opinion more exactly is in no way forcing any opinion on anyone, so i'm not sure where you've got that from. At the start I was advocating that club reviews should be for reviews not name calling. I agreed that clubs shouldn't misrepresent who's turning up on any night, and pointed out that despite anything who can predict where will be busy or not.

So where did I force an opinion on anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow, venom! lol

So where did I force an opinion on anyone?"
please tell which club review your referring to as I'm struggling to find the review your talking about

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The offending comments have been removed now from both parties and mine that asked for the review section to be used for reviews not name calling...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The offending comments have been removed now from both parties and mine that asked for the review section to be used for reviews not name calling..."
Your comment above (posted within the last half hour) says it's still on there, but suddenly it's gone??

Which club were you referring to cos I've read all reviews posted within the last week?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Actually, all my comments on here were past tense, and I stated that they had been removed on my second post...

It was for the Attic. However as the mud slinging has been on the review pages for a number of clubs I was asking about monitoring on all pages, which Rugby answered for me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually, all my comments on here were past tense, and I stated that they had been removed on my second post...

It was for the Attic. However as the mud slinging has been on the review pages for a number of clubs I was asking about monitoring on all pages, which Rugby answered for me

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Thankyou for the private reply, indid receive it before you posted this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

no worries lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually, all my comments on here were past tense, and I stated that they had been removed on my second post...

It was for the Attic. However as the mud slinging has been on the review pages for a number of clubs I was asking about monitoring on all pages, which Rugby answered for me

Thankyou for the private reply, indid receive it before you posted this."
* I did *

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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This might be better discussed in the swinging section tbh, as the question about the modding has been answered.

Start a thread in there if you want, will shut this now xx

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