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"Please separate it, I don't like men texting me if I like how they look in his wife clothes. They also say if I don't like then they can meet as a man WTF I also find I can't text women because the spam of this TV, they decide to block all TS and TV. Should I create my profile as a Woman instead? Veronica x" | |||
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"Why do you guys dislike eachother so much .... For goodness sake just chill , why the nastiness ... " Because they dress with women clothes as a fetish and while they fap, something similar would be people dressing with leather. Comparing TV and TS is comparing apples with cars. Being a Transsexual women means you don't identify as the biological gender you born with, you live 27/7 as a woman and take female hormones to change your body to something you feel comfortable with. | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . " There lies the problem every person has a different idea what transgender means. And the what is or isn't a tv or ts. | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . " Post op are still transgender, the difference is TG live as their aspired gender (often on hormones), TV dress as a fetish | |||
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"A transgender woman would not be showing off the genitals she wishes she hadn't been born with " Why not? So if you wish you were not fat or black or whatever you should not show yourself because you don't like your body? That's crazy talk. | |||
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" The only exception to this (and I know of someone on here) is if you live full time as a woman and are transitioning. " Of course I am living as a woman 24/7 and transitioning, that is the point of the topic. I want to block all Travestites and just look for Transexual women and women. | |||
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" The only exception to this (and I know of someone on here) is if you live full time as a woman and are transitioning. Of course I am living as a woman 24/7 and transitioning, that is the point of the topic." It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... and like you say a woman's profile will no doubt give you a larger response. | |||
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"A transgender woman would not be showing off the genitals she wishes she hadn't been born with Why not? So if you wish you were not fat or black or whatever you should not show yourself because you don't like your body? That's crazy talk. " There parts of my body that I hate I cover. ALWAYS. | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... " Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals.  | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals. "I was giving you an opinion of a 'woman' who you said you wanted to appeal to... I'm sorry you didn't like my 'feedback'. At the end of the day having a TV profile or a woman profile you can't pick out the 'fake' TVS and keep the transitioning ones. Same as I can't block the moron blokes and keep the good ones haha | |||
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"A transgender woman would not be showing off the genitals she wishes she hadn't been born with Why not? So if you wish you were not fat or black or whatever you should not show yourself because you don't like your body? That's crazy talk. " I don't think it's crazy, I have transgender friends, both mtf and ftm, Ftm will bind to hide breasts and eventually will have them removed, mtf will generally consider the male genitalia as foreign to them, it's a reminder and until its gone they can't live fully as a woman. At the end of the day that's my opinion. I just wish there wasn't the hierarchy in trans that exists, it's like telling a bi person that they are not gay enough to be accepted under the umbrella. Why can't we co exist? The block button on fab is a great invention. | |||
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" I was giving you an opinion of a 'woman' who you said you wanted to appeal to... I'm sorry you didn't like my 'feedback'." I said thank you for understanding, of course I agree with you I should make clear things, it remind me people don't know about this topic.  | |||
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"Quite odd to hear a TS coming across superior to a TV attacking them by calling them all men in dresses. All TS started out as men that took hormones then op therefore they had to cross the TV path themselves" When I said I'm superior to anyone? When did I attack travestites? Travestite = derives pleasure from dressing in clothes associated with the opposite sex. You don't cross a Travestite path, you are a transexual or you are not, hormones or not, surgery or not. From Dictionary: TRAVESTITE Derives pleasure from dressing in clothes associated with the opposite sex. TRANSSEXUAL a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex. | |||
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"Why do you guys dislike eachother so much .... For goodness sake just chill , why the nastiness ... " quite simply because the motivations of a fetishistic transvestite or a crossdresser are potentially a vast distance away from the motivation of someone who is trans* . the way fab lumps CD/TV/trans together doesn't help ... | |||
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"So a transvestite is a guy with his genitals who likes to dress in women's clothes And a transexual is a man who Still has his genitals ...and dresses in women's clothes but thinks they ARE a woman I am very confused ..... "I'm going to try and maintan a polite position and not say anything that could be interpreted as an attack on you because it seems that you are genuinely ignorant of gender identity and expression. Please put down the Greer and listen to those who are trans(sexual)* and/or have an understanding of gender identity. Anywhere else i'd post a link up to the GIRES resources , NHS Living Well resources as various other pieces but they'd be blocked becasue of FABs rules on links. | |||
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"Im just trying to understand ... its just there are so many explanations ... its an interesting subject .. and perhaps not one definitive answer ...... I have a friend ... a guy who dresses as a woman on occasions ....doesnt bother me ....everyone has an interesting point of view" You have a friend? | |||
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"Please separate it, I don't like men texting me if I like how they look in his wife clothes. They also say if I don't like then they can meet as a man WTF I also find I can't text women because the spam of this TV, they decide to block all TS and TV. Should I create my profile as a Woman instead? Veronica x" Hunni I totally agree with you. There is a huge difference between someone who has gone through major life changes and someone like myself. I think fab should listen and I also thing we should have a separate transgender forum. However I do find it so depressing when a TS starts tranny bashing. We all start from the same position and I do think we should stick together and stand up for each other. You look amazing BTW x | |||
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" Hunni I totally agree with you. There is a huge difference between someone who has gone through major life changes and someone like myself. However I do find it so depressing when a TS starts tranny bashing. You look amazing BTW x" 1.- Yes there is a huge difference. 2.- I never said any negative about being transvestite. 3.- Ty you too x | |||
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"as has been mentioned before.. this is a swinging site.. I'd say ts represent a small minority on here..which is exactly what the site maker's realised when they put things together.. really if your a ts or a t. w. a.. (trannie with attitude ) your far better off joining a site that caters for your needs.. such a site exists ..but i cant mention it here.. " You would need to send someone a private msg for that I suppose x | |||
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"A transgender woman would not be showing off the genitals she wishes she hadn't been born with Why not? So if you wish you were not fat or black or whatever you should not show yourself because you don't like your body? That's crazy talk. I don't think it's crazy, I have transgender friends, both mtf and ftm, Ftm will bind to hide breasts and eventually will have them removed, mtf will generally consider the male genitalia as foreign to them, it's a reminder and until its gone they can't live fully as a woman. At the end of the day that's my opinion. I just wish there wasn't the hierarchy in trans that exists, it's like telling a bi person that they are not gay enough to be accepted under the umbrella. Why can't we co exist? The block button on fab is a great invention. " Elsehwere in the alternative lifestyles internet world there is better co existence , in part because there is more granularity in the classification available ( if you look atthe black and red kinky site there;s numerous descriptors for sexuality and gender identity , and even the the baby bird on the television site has a number of wider groupings, but fab just has cis and not - cis ... | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . Post op are still transgender, the difference is TG live as their aspired gender (often on hormones), TV dress as a fetish" disagree 100% I def don't do it as a fetish | |||
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"as has been mentioned before.. this is a swinging site.. I'd say ts represent a small minority on here..which is exactly what the site maker's realised when they put things together.. really if your a ts or a t. w. a.. (trannie with attitude ) your far better off joining a site that caters for your needs.. such a site exists ..but i cant mention it here.. "  | |||
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"as has been mentioned before.. this is a swinging site.. I'd say ts represent a small minority on here..which is exactly what the site maker's realised when they put things together.. really if your a ts or a t. w. a.. (trannie with attitude ) your far better off joining a site that caters for your needs.. such a site exists ..but i cant mention it here.. "and why shouldn't we all have our say.this t girl says you have absolutely no idea whatsoever so come on hit me with some clever comment I can show you attitude | |||
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"I think the request is pretty reasonable. The alternative of re-registering as a woman would cause a lot more problems." however unless someone had legally transitioned and had a GRC ( not that you can ask for the GRC , but the GRC facilitates the re issue of correct birth and now Marriage certificates) i can see fab taking the view that it was a man posing as a woman especislly ggiven the ignorance displayed in some of the posts | |||
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"And by the way we can swing as much as the next person its not some exclusive party trick .we are all human get over it " exactly it seems that some of the more idiotic posts in the thread seem to be from people who cannot get the concept that sex, gender identity, gender expression, sexuality, and attitude to mono/poly/ casual are sall seperate and there are no set interrelations of value | |||
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"I think the request is pretty reasonable. The alternative of re-registering as a woman would cause a lot more problems. however unless someone had legally transitioned and had a GRC ( not that you can ask for the GRC , but the GRC facilitates the re issue of correct birth and now Marriage certificates) i can see fab taking the view that it was a man posing as a woman especislly ggiven the ignorance displayed in some of the posts" The problem would lie with others ignorance and prejudice. Imagine the reaction of some tit who thinks he's been 'tricked'. | |||
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"as has been mentioned before.. this is a swinging site.. I'd say ts represent a small minority on here..which is exactly what the site maker's realised when they put things together.. really if your a ts or a t. w. a.. (trannie with attitude ) your far better off joining a site that caters for your needs.. such a site exists ..but i cant mention it here.. " Not quite sure what point you are trying to make , the other main sites i can think of don;t actually compete with fab ( even if fab think they do and ban mentioning their names) ... the simple fact is there is a different between those who dress for arousal and those who have none binary or binary - trans gender identity ( and gender expression). | |||
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"I think the request is pretty reasonable. The alternative of re-registering as a woman would cause a lot more problems. however unless someone had legally transitioned and had a GRC ( not that you can ask for the GRC , but the GRC facilitates the re issue of correct birth and now Marriage certificates) i can see fab taking the view that it was a man posing as a woman especislly ggiven the ignorance displayed in some of the posts The problem would lie with others ignorance and prejudice. Imagine the reaction of some tit who thinks he's been 'tricked'. " exactly, you can change your passport , NI No , NHS number and driving licence as soon as you go full time / have a gender dysphoria diagnosis. after 2 years RLE regardlessof medical experience you can get a GRC which changes your brith cert and if relevant ( and not in Norn Iron) Marriage certificates | |||
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" You don't cross a Transvestite path, you are a transsexual or you are not, hormones or not, surgery or not. From Dictionary: TRANSVESTITE Derives pleasure from dressing in clothes associated with the opposite sex. TRANSSEXUAL a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex." Not to rain on the parade, but this is the legal definition..... "Equalities Act 2010 chapter 1 s.7: Gender reassignment (1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex. (2)A reference to a transsexual person is a reference to a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. (3)In relation to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment— (a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a transsexual person; (b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to transsexual persons." So "hormones nor not, surgery or not" is inaccurate. There must be an actual identifiable intent, at the very least, to be starting hormones or looking towards surgery. Nothing else brings about the physiological (NB:NOT psychological) changes in a person. I've given legal advice on various matters linked to this, heard many opinions. Personally, I think there are simply too many different meanings for the same words (eg. Dictionary vs Law), combined with a number of very different things being pulled under one big umbrella. As I understand it, that umbrella is "transgender", and includes anyone with any kind of perceived gender non-conformity. I say "perceived" because I've heard a lot of TVs, who are part of the transgender umbrella, say quite firmly that they have no gender issues; they're guys who dress as women because - essentially - it's fun. That's very different to HPWs and many CDs, who do it for fetishist ion/sexual kick, and a million miles away from most (legal definition) transsexuals, who go through years of distress and misery to have a physical anomaly corrected. Or rather, most go through years......some don't make it through at all. I've seen friends go through it, so I know something of the process. Endless medical referrals and appointments, endless waiting lists, having to be certified sane, asked the same questions over and over by different doctors in different clinics. Fair play to you girls and guys who go through that. Should TS/TV/CD be separated? Well they're all very different things, despite all being "transgender".....so logically, rationally, yes, they should be. Putting them all under one "Trans" heading would worsen the confusion, and having them together doesn't seem to be serving the needs of any of the people they refer to. I saw someone questioning whether they should re-register as a female profile. To that I would say, consider the context of "female" on Fab. It's about sex; it's about the physical. There are expectations, and if you don't meet the expectations of a category then you shouldn't be in it. It won't end well. For those who do, either mtf or ftm, if you're post-op then yes, register on the site as male or female because that is what you physically are. I've heard that Fab will actually change your profile to m/f if this is the case. I know many Trans people often have to raise the "not about the genitals" argument, but here and now, on Fab, it is very much about the genitals. Doesn't stop you being who you are, doesn't invalidate you as a person - it just avoids unnecessary risk and conflict. | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . " Oh shit, this is going to turn into one of those threads. *Gets Popcorn* | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . Oh shit, this is going to turn into one of those threads. *Gets Popcorn*" you seem surprised.. these always turn into one of those threads.. handbags at dawn  | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . Oh shit, this is going to turn into one of those threads. *Gets Popcorn* you seem surprised.. these always turn into one of those threads.. handbags at dawn "What makes us laugh is that it is a debate that seems to have gone on forever, but no one will ever agree, so it's just a stalemate.* *Not just talking about on Fab, but across the entire LGBTQ community...  | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals. "Please correct if I am wrong put is TS A person born with wrong sexual organs but keeps the sexual organ that person was born with?. And is pre op before operation of sexual organ so if born a man but want to be a women they have surgery on penis to make a Vagina if a women wanting to be a man the have Vagina made in to a penis. And post op after surgery?. And is transvestite opposite sex dresses up sorry I am not very good with the meanings. Sorry if I have offended anyone or phrased anything in the wrong way. | |||
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"Why do you guys dislike eachother so much .... For goodness sake just chill , why the nastiness ... quite simply because the motivations of a fetishistic transvestite or a crossdresser are potentially a vast distance away from the motivation of someone who is trans* . the way fab lumps CD/TV/trans together doesn't help ... " Some really valid points being made here. From what's being said and my understanding of it, it's an administration issue. If proper differentiation can't be clearly set out on a swinging sex site...What hope is there! As for some people's clear refusal to even try to understand the difference...Well that reflects on them! And not in a good way Incase that was too subtle. Madame B | |||
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" Not all women will Blalock TV TS Please separate it, I don't like men texting me if I like how they look in his wife clothes. They also say if I don't like then they can meet as a man WTF I also find I can't text women because the spam of this TV, they decide to block all TS and TV. Should I create my profile as a Woman instead? Veronica x" | |||
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"I'm not going to quote anyone, all opinions have some validity. My position, for what it's worth is, I'm a transvestite. I present as a female, well as best I can. I dress socially all the time. Family and work as a bloke. Believe me there's no fetish involved in trailing round IKEA Curry's or ASDA. Just me being me. I clearly have gender disphoria. Lucky me, I've embraced it. As for separating TV from TS, where could you draw a line? You couldn't. So use the block button. Only an idiot would contact you, if you make it clear you don't want them too. It's a swingers site, belive it or not, to find people, to have sex with. Not turn into some gender war. Be happy in your skin. Let others be happy in there's. I hope this kills this thread......till the next inevitable one. Happy New Year. Dee. "Thank goodness .... the voice of reason ..... | |||
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"Fabswingers is wise in keeping the Trans community clumped together... " On what basis do you make that assumption / assertion. What does someone who has socially and medically transitioned but is pre-op / none-op have in common with a HPW...? | |||
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"Why do you guys dislike eachother so much .... For goodness sake just chill , why the nastiness ... quite simply because the motivations of a fetishistic transvestite or a crossdresser are potentially a vast distance away from the motivation of someone who is trans* . the way fab lumps CD/TV/trans together doesn't help ... Some really valid points being made here. From what's being said and my understanding of it, it's an administration issue. If proper differentiation can't be clearly set out on a swinging sex site...What hope is there! As for some people's clear refusal to even try to understand the difference...Well that reflects on them! And not in a good way Incase that was too subtle. Madame B" Well said Madame B | |||
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"Fabswingers is wise in keeping the Trans community clumped together... On what basis do you make that assumption / assertion. What does someone who has socially and medically transitioned but is pre-op / none-op have in common with a HPW...?" Exactly, as an occasional wearer of lingerie i don't want to be lumped in with the Transsexuals. | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals. "I have to admit it would be nice to be able to search for non fetish its a minefield when it comes to what term to use as not to offend someone out there . | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals.
I have to admit it would be nice to be able to search for non fetish
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"I image I'll get a bashing for this but no you should not create a woman's profile.. you are a man. The only exception to this (and I know of someone on here) is if you live full time as a woman and are transitioning. " Your exception includes all transgender women in my opinion. A female profile would be fine I think. | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals.
I have to admit it would be nice to be able to search for non fetish
its a minefield when it comes to what term to use as not to offend someone out there .
while not perfect having CD/TV and TG/TS as seperate groups might be a start ... still a risk of misdescription ...
"why seperate .I see no problem .and why is it mainly a TS that objects to being grouped with a TV.there's some really lovely TVs out there. . Are they some sort of superior alien lifeform .I'm happy where I am stuck in the middle of nowhere | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals.
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why seperate .I see no problem .and why is it mainly a TS that objects to being grouped with a TV.there's some really lovely TVs out there. . Are they some sort of superior alien lifeform .I'm happy where I am stuck in the middle of nowhere "because many CDs /TVs desires from being a member of fab is closer to that of the single men and many ts members desires are closer to those ofthe single females... | |||
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"I image I'll get a bashing for this but no you should not create a woman's profile.. you are a man. The only exception to this (and I know of someone on here) is if you live full time as a woman and are transitioning. Your exception includes all transgender women in my opinion. A female profile would be fine I think. " i think the issue / problem would be the way in which some people would consider it to be a misuse of the profile, despite the fact that it would be a protected characteristic under the Equality act and most full time transpeopel regardless of their rpogress through medicla transition have got a driving licence/ passport etc in their lived gender ... (as you can get those at an early stage of the RLE , rather than 2 years in for Brith and marriage certs via GRC) | |||
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"Please separate it, I don't like men texting me if I like how they look in his wife clothes. They also say if I don't like then they can meet as a man WTF I also find I can't text women because the spam of this TV, they decide to block all TS and TV. Should I create my profile as a Woman instead? Veronica x" In essence I entirely agree TS/TG and TV/CD should not be categorised together much in the same why I feel those who show blinkered hostility towards the proclivity of other site members should tone their opinions down a notch..... However I'm thankful to the site for providing my with all the tools required to clearly explain on my profile what I offer and expect as a potential swinging partner without sole reliance of some open too interpretation and confusion drop down menu option...... | |||
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"I image I'll get a bashing for this but no you should not create a woman's profile.. you are a man. The only exception to this (and I know of someone on here) is if you live full time as a woman and are transitioning. Your exception includes all transgender women in my opinion. A female profile would be fine I think. i think the issue / problem would be the way in which some people would consider it to be a misuse of the profile, despite the fact that it would be a protected characteristic under the Equality act and most full time transpeopel regardless of their rpogress through medicla transition have got a driving licence/ passport etc in their lived gender ... (as you can get those at an early stage of the RLE , rather than 2 years in for Brith and marriage certs via GRC)" Only if your born in the uk! I never had that problem a doctors letter and parents consent was all I needed. | |||
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"If Labels are to be used then I would be considered a pre op Transexual... Only Transexual fakes and bitter Transexuals seeking attention at the expense of the rest of the Trans community would seek to divide us... As stated Fabswingers is wise in keeping us under the same umbrella.. I dont want to see that awfull Trans hierarchy with its hotchpotch of whims, theories and Little Britain mentality set up here, its confusion" typical trans exclusionary transsexual attitude there ... I don't think you are really wanting to be lumped in with the HPWs are you ? | |||
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"If Labels are to be used then I would be considered a pre op Transexual... Only Transexual fakes and bitter Transexuals seeking attention at the expense of the rest of the Trans community would seek to divide us... As stated Fabswingers is wise in keeping us under the same umbrella.. I dont want to see that awfull Trans hierarchy with its hotchpotch of whims, theories and Little Britain mentality set up here, its confusion typical trans exclusionary transsexual attitude there ... I don't think you are really wanting to be lumped in with the HPWs are you ?" A Tran that shaves his balls and a Tran that dont are no better than the other... I will happily be lumped in with both.... Shaving your body does not make you superior or more of a woman than one that dont... | |||
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"Your dealing now with reality," Can you elaborate? Because if I don't understand you mods probably don't. To be honest I don't expect them to understand, but is so simple: Transsexual Medical condition cover by the NHS Transvestite Wear women clothes for fun | |||
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"May I (f) put my two pennies in? Looking from a point of view of the BDSM "scene" it is the same day long argument and discussions. Our view of BDSM especially my hubby's view is light years away from many on Fab. The message we get from many guys and some couples on Fab raise my eye browse and leave a question mark. But the only way at the moment to deal with such is to delete and block. We understand that Fab from the Admin point of view not give all different categories as it "eats" their puter space up. The same we see that people are, as said in this thread, "lumped together" which is also not ideal... But nothing in this world is perfect (sadly) and we have to deal with such as it matters... There are couples and single F's who meet TS's but not TV's the same way around as couples and single f's only meet TV's or CD's.... So it is up to each and own on Fab to make their own "little" world, with delete, reply or block... Soz that I drop the BDSM bomb "But you can't block a whole section of Fab for BDSM | |||
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"May I (f) put my two pennies in? Looking from a point of view of the BDSM "scene" it is the same day long argument and discussions. Our view of BDSM especially my hubby's view is light years away from many on Fab. The message we get from many guys and some couples on Fab raise my eye browse and leave a question mark. But the only way at the moment to deal with such is to delete and block. We understand that Fab from the Admin point of view not give all different categories as it "eats" their puter space up. The same we see that people are, as said in this thread, "lumped together" which is also not ideal... But nothing in this world is perfect (sadly) and we have to deal with such as it matters... There are couples and single F's who meet TS's but not TV's the same way around as couples and single f's only meet TV's or CD's.... So it is up to each and own on Fab to make their own "little" world, with delete, reply or block... Soz that I drop the BDSM bomb
But you can't block a whole section of Fab for BDSM "Not saying block whole section what I (f) mean is like TS, TV's and CD's BDSM has different point views .. it's difficult to segment all the various BDSM life styles for example a Gorean would never ever get on with some one from the rubber scene... two different worlds... So if you get a message and it isn't for you, give a nice reply and they still try to "convince", you block the message sender...You create your own user needs | |||
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"But doesn't this site cater for sexual preference more than identity? IE we are grouped in a way it's easier for us to be found? Those that are interested in meeting either TS or TV members know where to find them and I hope have spent the time learning the difference? " I guess my point was that a site like this cannot cater for every variation and predilection and the solution is to use ones profile to describe. Just like many people describe what sort of "Bi" they are or what sort of "cuckold" they are or "hotwife" they are. But I can understand the difficulty OP faces in finding those she wants to meet while avoiding those that are a different track to OP. | |||
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"I'm not going to quote anyone, all opinions have some validity. My position, for what it's worth is, I'm a transvestite. I present as a female, well as best I can. I dress socially all the time. Family and work as a bloke. Believe me there's no fetish involved in trailing round IKEA Curry's or ASDA. Just me being me. I clearly have gender disphoria. Lucky me, I've embraced it. As for separating TV from TS, where could you draw a line? You couldn't. So use the block button. Only an idiot would contact you, if you make it clear you don't want them too. It's a swingers site, belive it or not, to find people, to have sex with. Not turn into some gender war. Be happy in your skin. Let others be happy in there's. I hope this kills this thread......till the next inevitable one. Happy New Year. Dee. ".
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"From Dictionary: TRAVESTITE Derives pleasure from dressing in clothes associated with the opposite sex. TRANSSEXUAL a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex." I'm a straight male but I full understand this, they are 2 different things. | |||
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"Not saying block whole section what I (f) mean is like TS, TV's and CD's BDSM has different point views .. it's difficult to segment all the various BDSM life styles for example a Gorean would never ever get on with some one from the rubber scene... two different worlds..." I fail to see how different fetish worlds can be a analogy for the difference between TV and TS | |||
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"So my question is...And id like other Fab members to answer for me...Do i now change my profile to match what i am ?? A male. Dressing fully and becoming 'her'is not a fetish in that i do not have to do it to 'get off'sexually.I do it because i like it,enjoy it. Im by far and away not a HPW nor feel im a superior TS Pretty sure id get more abuse if i was classed (for the purpose of my Fab profile) male when searching/being searched for by other users ?!" I think as you are is fine, though after reading some of the posts i suspect my views could be considered outdated I'm bi and if I'm looking for a woman then a vagina and boobs would be the must have criteria | |||
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" The difficulty which I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is that: gender identity is an entirely different thing from sexual pleasures/preferences. The simple categories available do not cater for every variation on gender identity and sexual pleasure/preference. In particular TV/TS lumps together a gender identity AND a sexual pleasure/preference and those two things are not even in the same category. This appears to be what OP was getting at but which seems to have been misunderstood by others. In general (but clearly not all people) TV is expressing a sexual pleasure/preference by taking on the identity of another gender, whereas TS is expressing that they actually identify as another gender identity. In general a TV is role playing another gender for sexual gratification but would not deny their own birth gender. Where a TS is not role playing another gender, they are another gender, and their sexual preferences are not necessarily related. And of course the label "TV/TS" does not indicate which way a person may be (M or F or otherwise). I should also add that there are very many more categories than these including but not limited to: asexual androgenous aromantic cross-dresser femine-of-centre or masculine-of-centre genderfluid genderqueer intersex pansexual polyamory cis third gender trans* " goes of to google to understand them all | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals. "You obviously have issues, you would get more response if you got of your high horse. Once someone defines them selves a TS it seems to give them a superior attitude over TV's.the only difference sometimes is hormones. It's like some call themselves pre opp but have no intention of ever having a operation just to get some credence. | |||
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"It's a shame that such a simple and seemingly obvious distinction between TVs and TS Exactly. An example: Police (Women / Transsexual women) Police custom (transvestite) Someone wearing a police custome is a police? NO Assume you meant a costume. A man woman transexual or a transvestite wearing a police costume is just a man woman transexual or transvestite wearing a police costume." | |||
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" It wasn't obvious from the post or the profile. Maybe by making this clear it may help your problem... Thank you for your "feedback" I will make clear I'm not a transvestite, I should not expect people to understand what a transsexual is, we are minority. Anyway, my problem was that I wish I can block Transvestites, because they spam me and probably they do with other women too. Also I don't want to see my feed with Travestite pics, the only option I got is BLOCK all TS/TV but I don't want to block other transsexuals.
You obviously have issues, you would get more response if you got of your high horse. Once someone defines them selves a TS it seems to give them a superior attitude over TV's.the only difference sometimes is hormones. It's like some call themselves pre opp but have no intention of ever having a operation just to get some credence."so if a TV Is a cock in a frock then a TS is a frock without a cock .so that makes me inferior ..I think not.we are one category on fab ( unless they start an OTHER category) like it or lump it.I'm happy to stay in the TS/ TV category .this you are not being part of my gang attitude stinks | |||
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" You don't cross a Transvestite path, you are a transsexual or you are not, hormones or not, surgery or not. From Dictionary: TRANSVESTITE Derives pleasure from dressing in clothes associated with the opposite sex. TRANSSEXUAL a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex. Not to rain on the parade, but this is the legal definition..... "Equalities Act 2010 chapter 1 s.7: Gender reassignment (1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex. (2)A reference to a transsexual person is a reference to a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. (3)In relation to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment— (a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a transsexual person; (b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to transsexual persons." So "hormones nor not, surgery or not" is inaccurate. There must be an actual identifiable intent, at the very least, to be starting hormones or looking towards surgery. Nothing else brings about the physiological (NB:NOT psychological) changes in a person. I've given legal advice on various matters linked to this, heard many opinions. Personally, I think there are simply too many different meanings for the same words (eg. Dictionary vs Law), combined with a number of very different things being pulled under one big umbrella. As I understand it, that umbrella is "transgender", and includes anyone with any kind of perceived gender non-conformity. I say "perceived" because I've heard a lot of TVs, who are part of the transgender umbrella, say quite firmly that they have no gender issues; they're guys who dress as women because - essentially - it's fun. That's very different to HPWs and many CDs, who do it for fetishist ion/sexual kick, and a million miles away from most (legal definition) transsexuals, who go through years of distress and misery to have a physical anomaly corrected. Or rather, most go through years......some don't make it through at all. I've seen friends go through it, so I know something of the process. Endless medical referrals and appointments, endless waiting lists, having to be certified sane, asked the same questions over and over by different doctors in different clinics. Fair play to you girls and guys who go through that. Should TS/TV/CD be separated? Well they're all very different things, despite all being "transgender".....so logically, rationally, yes, they should be. Putting them all under one "Trans" heading would worsen the confusion, and having them together doesn't seem to be serving the needs of any of the people they refer to. I saw someone questioning whether they should re-register as a female profile. To that I would say, consider the context of "female" on Fab. It's about sex; it's about the physical. There are expectations, and if you don't meet the expectations of a category then you shouldn't be in it. It won't end well. For those who do, either mtf or ftm, if you're post-op then yes, register on the site as male or female because that is what you physically are. I've heard that Fab will actually change your profile to m/f if this is the case. I know many Trans people often have to raise the "not about the genitals" argument, but here and now, on Fab, it is very much about the genitals. Doesn't stop you being who you are, doesn't invalidate you as a person - it just avoids unnecessary risk and conflict. "
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"_osie many thanks for you time on this " I wish I could take the credit but it was 'Bukkake Partygirl' who has researched this in-depth But, you are welcome | |||
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"Fabswingers is wise in keeping the Trans community clumped together... On what basis do you make that assumption / assertion. What does someone who has socially and medically transitioned but is pre-op / none-op have in common with a HPW...? Probably requires tighter lingerie.imho x Exactly, as an occasional wearer of lingerie i don't want to be lumped in with the Transsexuals." | |||
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" Because they dress with women clothes as a fetish and while they fap, something similar would be people dressing with leather. " Now this tends to be the problem. I often dress for long periods of time and feel very happy and comfortable as my alter ego. I'm not full time and I'm not transitioning but I don't just do it "while I fap". Indeed I often don't "fap" while dressed at all. It's very much a part of who I am and I couldn't be happy without doing it. If I had to have a label it would probably bi/dual gender. That option doesn't exist either. I fully respect the difficulties of those who are TS but my dearest wish is that so many TS didn't choose to lump the rest of the community together as different (and for some reason inferior) to themselves. Meeting for sexual purposes whilst transitioning must be very difficult, I do understand that but post op, you will be the woman you feel you are and able to register as such. | |||
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"_osie many thanks for you time on this I wish I could take the credit but it was 'Bukkake Partygirl' who has researched this in-depth But, you are welcome "A lot of the comments reveal that Fabswingers is wise to keep we Trans together.... All we are seeing here is a hotchpotch of confusion, folks spouting the unproven theories of Academics and the whims and fancies of alleged Transexuals venting their bitterness at the expense of the Trans community | |||
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"I thought transgender was post OP .... if you still have genitals surely this means you are still male . " Oh dear . . that's opened a giant can of worms.  Though to many that label themselves TS (transsexual) they insist upon a niche all to themselves given they believe ALL genetic men who cross dress . . and you can put CD, TV, TS and TG in their big bucket all together . . are "HPW"  HAIRY PANTIE WEARERS
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This is a SEX SITE not a means for geo-social activists to spoil . . unfortunately far too many of them do so enjoy fighting with hand-bags and spoiling their make-up by crying."I'm not crying I don't like fighting with a handbag but hey give me a bucket anyday.yes its a sex site schhh you've spoilt it now telling everyone on here | |||
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"Is funny that all transvestites/Crossdressers (the same) are against separate it. Also they feel insulted for no reason. A someone that identify with the opposite gender is not the same as someone who is happy with his own gender. About my cock pics. I would like to have a vagina but that is impossible." its not impossible for those that have the balls to get it done | |||
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"Is funny that all transvestites/Crossdressers (the same) are against separate it. Also they feel insulted for no reason. " If this thread has proved anything it's that we're NOT all the same.... No we're not TS but that doesn't make us all the same. If I was totally happy with my gender, I wouldn't feel the compelling need to spend time being Beth. | |||
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"Is funny that all transvestites/Crossdressers (the same) are against separate it. Also they feel insulted for no reason. A someone that identify with the opposite gender is not the same as someone who is happy with his own gender. About my cock pics. I would like to have a vagina but that is impossible. its not impossible for those that have the balls to get it done" Lol sorry that's hilarious without meaning to be | |||
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"If you live as a woman I would create a female profile. I'd be more than happy to be contacted by transwomen here (I'm less happy being contacted by mtf crossdressers).how can you put out a cock PIC and claim to be a woman .that only confuses people even more.I see no reason to do that but then who am I .(TV/ TS/ CD) yes thats what I am xxxxx I'd imagine that such a profile would soon be reported by those that would be expecting different genitals on a woman, what sort of position would this put admin in? Some men pretending to be women, some "men" living as women. How could they begin to to differentiate between these two categories alone. I think unless you regularly mix with people who identify as these different labels mentioned above the general population have no idea at the complexity of it all. All too often as soon as you understand some of the terminology it either changes or there are new ones added, some words that were considered not to be politically correct are now used, as well as people worried about offending people by using the wrong words. It's an absolute minefield." It's not a minefield if you just treat people with kindness. If you're worried about words (many people are) then just use the words transgender or crossdresser. They are quite clear. (Also transman or transwoman). I am transgender. I'm never quite sure what profile to pick. I abandoned my TV/TS profile because I was uncomfortable with the amount of men who thought I was a male to female crossdresser. I am undergoing treatment but awaiting surgery, so I have stuck to a 'female' profile at the moment because that's how society labels me. I wish that there was an 'other' option. Or just a 'transgender' option. Or just *anything* other than the three options we have at the moment. | |||
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" About my cock pics. I would like to have a vagina but that is impossible. ??? How its it impossible to have a vagina,just shows how little research some people put into something they claim to be so passionate about
I assume they mean 'impossible at the moment'. It's a long process to having gender reassignment surgery in the UK.
Also - not everyone chooses to have top or bottom surgery. For instance, I will not have bottom surgery. It's just not good enough at the moment."it took my friend three years plus an op on her voicebox which they arsed up.she sounded more manly after the op | |||
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"I have dressed on and off as a woman since my early teens,I have vivid memories of wanting to play with dolls dressing them etc with little girls when I was a little boy,going to bed dressed in my mums clothes fervently hoping to wake up with breasts and vagina....I tried to do the man thing for most of my life,now I'm about 50/50....but I would never post a pic on my profile with me proudly displaying my erect Penis,when I'm dressed it stays tucked permanently and no one sees it in pics or on meets....in my view the OP is what is known as a chick with a dick and uses that to attract men who like...well...chicks with dicks. Every psychology report on full ts's I've ever read describes the person of having a dislike or even hatred for what THEY consider the wrong genitalia.....personally I couldn't give a shit about your stupid labels. Just enjoy yourself and keep your ridiculous opinions to yourself and if you don't like it go to another site." Not all transpeople have severe body dysmorphia. Your genitals are not your gender. If you think that being a transperson is all about genitals then you are seriously misinformed. I know transmen who enjoy having sex with their vaginas, and transwomen who have no problem with people playing with their penis sexually (although hormones usually prevent proper erections in their cases). | |||
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"Problem is its mainly Fakes and Fantasists, seeking attention thats seeking this division "I hardly think that this opinion by some can be used as evidence in any valid argument. It can, at best, be only an opinion by some who do not want TS people to stand out as a group by themselves but instead be viewed as fetishistic TVs and CDs. Also, suggesting that some 50+ years of medical and scientific research which has clearly arrived at those distinctions, is completely flawed and useless, makes thier opinion appear somewhat of a knee-jerk and hostile against TS people If opinions such as these are the basis of a discussion then the OP's statement should too be considered as irrefutable evidence supporting the creation of another category for TS people Having said that, very few people outside of the TV/TS world and the men who want them, know of the distinction or could even be bothered to find out. For most of the men on this site, the set of genitals do matter very much and a TS creating a female profile could face rejection or worse, if meeting a heterosexual man who would naturally assume that an attempt has been made to deceive him | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three " This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. " like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day | |||
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We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who? | |||
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"When the leading contact web-site for this sector . . television chickens (Gurlz will know what we mean) . . can't solve this issue despite St*ll* (owner) being an activist and the whole site devoted to this sector then how does ANY user of this web-site imagine it can solve their dilemma?
We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who? "perhaps some cock then | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day " You illustrate my point beautifully. | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day You illustrate my point beautifully. " well you strike me as someone who would send a first intro as " hello fancy a fuck" and show v little respect to anyone or anything go back to your bricks xxx | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day You illustrate my point beautifully. well you strike me as someone who would send a first intro as " hello fancy a fuck" and show v little respect to anyone or anything go back to your bricks xxx" | |||
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"When the leading contact web-site for this sector . . television chickens (Gurlz will know what we mean) . . can't solve this issue despite St*ll* (owner) being an activist and the whole site devoted to this sector then how does ANY user of this web-site imagine it can solve their dilemma?
We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who? "
That is it; nobody can police it as physically both groups are identical as far as their anatomy is concerned
And whilst the TS feel that they are women and may even have documents to prove that, the men (or couples) on this site who are looking for women do not base their decision on someone's mental state or on their legal status
However, if it makes one of those groups (TS) feel better about themselves, then the question needs to asked, why not create two groups. It is not as if creating two groups will harm the TV group. Or will it? And if so, then how? | |||
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"When the leading contact web-site for this sector . . television chickens (Gurlz will know what we mean) . . can't solve this issue despite St*ll* (owner) being an activist and the whole site devoted to this sector then how does ANY user of this web-site imagine it can solve their dilemma?
We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who?
That is it; nobody can police it as physically both groups are identical as far as their anatomy is concerned
And whilst the TS feel that they are women and may even have documents to prove that, the men (or couples) on this site who are looking for women do not base their decision on someone's mental state or on their legal status
However, if it makes one of those groups (TS) feel better about themselves, then the question needs to asked, why not create two groups. It is not as if creating two groups will harm the TV group. Or will it? And if so, then how?"any advance on two groups .why not dissect it more let's have 5 groups .I'm more TS than TV, I'm more TV than CD,I'm more CD than male,I'm more Male than FEMALE. Conclusion here I'm def not female then or am I .I think it'll be easier splitting the atom | |||
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"When the leading contact web-site for this sector . . television chickens (Gurlz will know what we mean) . . can't solve this issue despite St*ll* (owner) being an activist and the whole site devoted to this sector then how does ANY user of this web-site imagine it can solve their dilemma?
We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who?
That is it; nobody can police it as physically both groups are identical as far as their anatomy is concerned
And whilst the TS feel that they are women and may even have documents to prove that, the men (or couples) on this site who are looking for women do not base their decision on someone's mental state or on their legal status
However, if it makes one of those groups (TS) feel better about themselves, then the question needs to asked, why not create two groups. It is not as if creating two groups will harm the TV group. Or will it? And if so, then how?any advance on two groups .why not dissect it more let's have 5 groups .I'm more TS than TV, I'm more TV than CD,I'm more CD than male,I'm more Male than FEMALE. Conclusion here I'm def not female then or am I .I think it'll be easier splitting the atom"I would suggest five, to be honest. Male to female crossdresser Female to male crossdresser Transman Transwoman Other | |||
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"When the leading contact web-site for this sector . . television chickens (Gurlz will know what we mean) . . can't solve this issue despite St*ll* (owner) being an activist and the whole site devoted to this sector then how does ANY user of this web-site imagine it can solve their dilemma?
We eventually got put off using the "chickens" site when we found numerous examples of "Post-Op Trans-gender's" contacting us were in fact married guys, bought some female clothing but couldn't be bothered with the shoes - always a good indicator that one - and put a profile up claiming they were now "post op" . . ?? !!
. . or how about other members that only wanted to meet other gurlz or RG's and put "Men? Yuk!" in their profile heading but whose pix mostly showed them enjoying mutual blow-jobs with other similarly fussy gurlz!!
To those of you who identify with this sexual/social sector you will not get what you want whilst your all brought down to the same base level.
. . if we had a vote we would say TWO groups : a) CD/TV and b) TS/TG . . but just how will it be policed, if "chickens" can't or won't do it then who?
That is it; nobody can police it as physically both groups are identical as far as their anatomy is concerned
And whilst the TS feel that they are women and may even have documents to prove that, the men (or couples) on this site who are looking for women do not base their decision on someone's mental state or on their legal status
However, if it makes one of those groups (TS) feel better about themselves, then the question needs to asked, why not create two groups. It is not as if creating two groups will harm the TV group. Or will it? And if so, then how?any advance on two groups .why not dissect it more let's have 5 groups .I'm more TS than TV, I'm more TV than CD,I'm more CD than male,I'm more Male than FEMALE. Conclusion here I'm def not female then or am I .I think it'll be easier splitting the atom
I would suggest five, to be honest.
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"Good idea .I'm worried about the OTHER bit though .wait till that lot start harping on about this and that .it'll start all over again" "That lot" Hi. Do you have any questions? I am "that lot". | |||
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"...and so it goes on and on and on... here's an idea... for those not happy with the way this site is run.. why not club together and start your own site.. that way you can have as many categories as you like.. hey just an idea.. " I'm always baffled on this site by men who crossdress who seem to be actively aggressive towards transpeople and their happiness. If transpeople were accepted fully in both the swinging community and wider society, men who enjoy crossdressing for sexual pleasure would also be far more accepted. | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. I find the average males masculinity issues very interesting, I do what I want to and work out my sexuality label after, we have played with a TV the last two weekends & a bi-couple last night. I consider myself bi-selfish as I still don't have interest in playing with a cock or receiving one, so as that doesn't exist I've changed to bi-curious. You however have stated you have received full sex from a TV and still say on your profile you are straight....Am I missing something or are you on here bullshitting to cause offence or argument whilst saying straight on your profile to keep your options open with regard to future meets. Surely one is a lie, you are either straight or the "I got fucked" didn't happen, you can't have both? S" I can do what the fuck i like
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"Good idea .I'm worried about the OTHER bit though .wait till that lot start harping on about this and that .it'll start all over again "That lot" Hi. Do you have any questions? I am "that lot"." .well hello I'm that lot as well small world isn't it | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day You illustrate my point beautifully. well you strike me as someone who would send a first intro as " hello fancy a fuck" and show v little respect to anyone or anything go back to your bricks xxx" Are you sure that you're not a child trapped in a man's body? You seem to know alot about toys? And certainly your attempted insults are straight from the playground. | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day You illustrate my point beautifully. well you strike me as someone who would send a first intro as " hello fancy a fuck" and show v little respect to anyone or anything go back to your bricks xxx Are you sure that you're not a child trapped in a man's body? You seem to know alot about toys? And certainly your attempted insults are straight from the playground. "this from a guy prob on the toilet according to your profile. Well you're not getting any of my bricks that's for sure .xxxx | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. like most guys who think with their dick not with their brain.I will not be used I'm not a toy for you to play with.Id go back to your lego bricks if I was you .I'd worry more about your mental condition not mine have a nice day You illustrate my point beautifully. well you strike me as someone who would send a first intro as " hello fancy a fuck" and show v little respect to anyone or anything go back to your bricks xxx Are you sure that you're not a child trapped in a man's body? You seem to know alot about toys? And certainly your attempted insults are straight from the playground. this from a guy prob on the toilet according to your profile. Well you're not getting any of my bricks that's for sure .xxxx"well as you are an outsider your view is totally irrelevant .you have absolutely no idea whatsoever | |||
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. I find the average males masculinity issues very interesting, I do what I want to and work out my sexuality label after, we have played with a TV the last two weekends & a bi-couple last night. I consider myself bi-selfish as I still don't have interest in playing with a cock or receiving one, so as that doesn't exist I've changed to bi-curious. You however have stated you have received full sex from a TV and still say on your profile you are straight....Am I missing something or are you on here bullshitting to cause offence or argument whilst saying straight on your profile to keep your options open with regard to future meets. Surely one is a lie, you are either straight or the "I got fucked" didn't happen, you can't have both? S I can do what the fuck i like
You label junkies can equally do the same. X"Agreed, but if I bought a tin of peas from a store took it home, opened it and it was baked beans I'd take it back and whoever sold it me would bloody well know about it! Labels like shopping are for others to make an informed choice of whether to pick you, as you well know many on here will not play with bi-guys, a lot fewer say they will only play with bi-guys.. I think you are mislabeled, at least I have the balls to change my conviction. Cake & eat it springs to mind.. But you go ahead a lie about your sexuality, You won't be the only one on here 
Anyway, back to the subject at hand, sorry OP it was just an idle observation and not really relative to the question at hand.
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"Whilst even as an 'outsider' I can see that TV is different from TS and CD is different from TV, on a sex/swinger site the distinction is at the 'genital level', which are no different between the three This is very true, this is a sex site after all alot if guys want what they see in porn, a chick with a dick. They don't understand and don't want to understand problems that trans folk have. Myself included. I've met up with a local girl who's "thing" is to fuck straight guys with her hard dick, and she's very good at it, lovely tits to. But she is a legal woman and thank God for her! Would i be interested in her if she'd had her penis removed? No, I'd rather fuck a natural woman. Would i be interested in her if her penis didn't function, no. How about if she was a man who dresses as a woman who won't use his penis like a man because he believes be was born in the wrong sex body? Again no. Fab swingers is for fucking. Not for horny guys to worry about the mental condition of whoever they're about to use to get an orgasm. I find the average males masculinity issues very interesting, I do what I want to and work out my sexuality label after, we have played with a TV the last two weekends & a bi-couple last night. I consider myself bi-selfish as I still don't have interest in playing with a cock or receiving one, so as that doesn't exist I've changed to bi-curious. You however have stated you have received full sex from a TV and still say on your profile you are straight....Am I missing something or are you on here bullshitting to cause offence or argument whilst saying straight on your profile to keep your options open with regard to future meets. Surely one is a lie, you are either straight or the "I got fucked" didn't happen, you can't have both? S I can do what the fuck i like
You label junkies can equally do the same. X
Agreed, but if I bought a tin of peas from a store took it home, opened it and it was baked beans I'd take it back and whoever sold it me would bloody well know about it!
Labels like shopping are for others to make an informed choice of whether to pick you, as you well know many on here will not play with bi-guys, a lot fewer say they will only play with bi-guys..
I think you are mislabeled, at least I have the balls to change my conviction.
Cake & eat it springs to mind..
But you go ahead a lie about your sexuality, You won't be the only one on here
Anyway, back to the subject at hand, sorry OP it was just an idle observation and not really relative to the question at hand.
Love to all, including you Ray xx
S"Don't worry about it. This is my straight profile. I also have a bi one, and a TS one. Amazing what you can do with a mouse and a keyboard. | |||
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