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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Hi,

Do you think there is any way that there could separate TS and TV so that people can identify them as the correct gender. I feel that the people who identify as TS are quite different from those of identify as TV.

It could be taken further as they could be broken down even further, but this would be a start.

Thanks

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

This topic has been debated quite a few times on here if you do a forum search you will see quite a few threads on this. The main thing was what was a TV and what was a ts was varied depending on the person. The other thing was how would the site police it as a ts could look exactly the same as a TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of interest what's the difference. By the way completely not meaning to sound like a dic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't worry just googled it have a rough idea now !

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

Dont mean to offend' but yes there should be a class for both' TVs and not really our thing would gladly drink with them and things but when its comes to sex we would love a hot TS to join us' read our profile hope we dont offend k

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's 2016 and probably the most used swingers site can't even differentiate between a TV and a TS

Plenty of other sites do and it works perfectly well, fab just doesn't listen to its members, instead we get blue dots

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury


"Dont mean to offend' but yes there should be a class for both' TVs and not really our thing would gladly drink with them and things but when its comes to sex we would love a hot TS to join us' read our profile hope we dont offend k "

Yes it is a shame they can not split the 2 I for one am ts and don't see myself as tv

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By *ink magnolia s yorksWoman
over a year ago

south yorkshire

And there should be one for 'real' couples and fb couples and .....it could go on forever. It's a free to use site,give the people who run it a break x people have a profile where they can explain what they identify themselves as. Now if everyone coughed up their £2.50 a month to support the site who knows x

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

We allways pay the £5

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By *ink magnolia s yorksWoman
over a year ago

south yorkshire

So do I,but seems most people who start these type of threads don't,but find constant fault with the site x


"We allways pay the £5 "

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"And there should be one for 'real' couples and fb couples and .....it could go on forever. It's a free to use site,give the people who run it a break x people have a profile where they can explain what they identify themselves as. Now if everyone coughed up their £2.50 a month to support the site who knows x "

whats real couples and FB couples got to do with having separate category for TS and TV/CD ?

Not sure why you are even comparing the two subjects.

a TS is as different from a TV as a male is from a female.

One lives full time as a women and going through the transition with hormomes and maybe ops whilst TV is part time and still lives as a guy.

give them their own category already fab Its 2016.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So do I,but seems most people who start these type of threads don't,but find constant fault with the site x

We allways pay the £5 "

Regardless of who pays or not, separating the two would be plain and simple to do.

Personally I can't see how someone who occasionally dresses as a fetish etc can be put in the same category as someone who is transitioning, which can include taking hormones, having surgery etc.

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom


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Regardless of who pays or not, separating the two would be plain and simple to do.

Personally I can't see how someone who occasionally dresses as a fetish etc can be put in the same category as someone who is transitioning, which can include taking hormones, having surgery etc. "

Agreed and at the same time they can take the guys that don't want to fully dress and separate them from the ones that go the full mile every time they dress. It would make things so much easier for those that would meet with a girl like me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On fab where people are primarily here to meet for sex separating TV/TS would be pointless. The desire for this never seems to be driven by wanting to know how people lead their lifes away from the bedroom but more by a superficial way of categorising people by looks. I feel like people would only ever search for ts on the false assumption that ts are more passable/beautiful resulting in TVs just putting ts anyway, as someone already pointed out how do you police this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a few friends who are trans and have been going through the process for years, all of them want to see fab seperate the two.

Everytime this topic comes up I've noticed it's the cross dressers or TVs who don't want them split and the trans people who do.

It works everywhere else on other sites that do it, so I'm pretty sure it'll work on here.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

I think the simple is answer is that people need to read profiles and not just look at pics.It would help if so called straight guys were honest about wanting to meet tgirls

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Of course true transsexuals want to separate tv and ts, they live their lives totally differently from TVs like me. But as pointed out above what difference does it make to couples or guys searching they are looking for sex and a TV and TS can look and act no different.

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By *aria_aldershotTV/TS
over a year ago

Aldershot


"I think the simple is answer is that people need to read profiles and not just look at pics.It would help if so called straight guys were honest about wanting to meet tgirls "

Ah yes, glad its not just me who gets contacted by straight guys who show nothing on their profile about wanting to meet a TV..... I just delete them now ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am so waiting for the day they get split..I am currently on a female profile because none of my photos are accepted if I have a male account and if I have a TV/ TS account I get abuse for being a fake either because I am obviously not a bloke dressing as a woman or just tons of people asking me where I got my surgery. At least having TS as a separate category people might actually remember that TS does actually mean going the other way too. MtF are not the only Trans people on this site and most other MtF people i have spoken to on here have felt so unhappy about having so little option of having an account as a male that they have left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A post on behalf of my partner Gynandromorphine (34, MtF TG, Manchester) who is a new member and thus cannot post in forums yet. She felt that this needed to be said.

To the guy who said

“Don't worry just googled it have a rough idea now ! ”

Thank you, this is most welcome, and is what anyone should do if they want to be a good ally of any marginalised group.

One observation: It’s virtually always transwomen who advocate separating the two categories and cross-dressers who want to remain the same category. Make of that what you will.

It appears to me that most people who are in the TV/TS category are cross-dressers. These numbers are likely by the fact transgender people (fun fact: TRANSGENDER MEN EXIST) will be alienated by fab’s approach to gender. I have left the site several times I n frustration. This means that affectively, cross-dressers can and do act as a proxy for all of us.

I fully get that fab is primarily a meat market. Its users want accurate labelling to know “what’s inside the package”. Men need their fragile masculinity protected from things like being exposed to seeing a cock on cam or in a photo, or possibly during a meet. Or seeing somebody who confuses them with regards to sexuality.

These are risks that take place on anyone’s profile or any meet. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least some of the same guys who feel this way have no qualms whatsoever about sending unsolicited dick pics to women.

But you can’t simply reduce gender to someone’s bits. I’m not, as many are, of the view that it makes you transphobic to not be attracted to transwomen. Who you are attracted to is your business, and if you don’t like cocks, that’s absolutely fine by me. I’m not altogether happy about not being permitted to be included in the category “woman”, but at the end of the day, I am not going to be what many people who are looking for a woman want. It’s unlikely to happen any time soon I know, but ideally, everyone who llives as a woman should be allowed to use that gender marker. If people want to specify that they are, or are looking for pre-op, post op or non-op trans women or men, transwomen or cis women. I can obviously see the objection that most cis women would not be happy identifying as much, but if trans people have to have to conform to cis peoples’ label, then really that’s a bit of give and take. It’s only unrealistic because cis privilege.

Yes, there is nothing to stop cross-dressers putting themselves in the TS category. But, most of the time, people declare whether they’re one or the other. People use this site to find partners who fit their preference, so most of the time, it pays to be in the category which helps people whose preferences you fit find you. People have the amazing gift of reading your profile, looking at your photos, meeting you, talking to you, seeing what you look like naked, and showing you what they look like naked you both agree to it, and if either considers it important you, before making a decision about whether they want to fuck you. The decision not to can be taken by any party at any point up to it happening, and the decision to stop at any point during it happening.

Also, there is nothing to stop:

Any man putting himself in any other gender category he does belong (including having a TV/TS profile whilst presenting and dressing like a man.

A man who looks convincingly like a woman being photo verified as one, either single or as part of a couple.

I would strongly suspect that making people show their genitals to get photo verified would be pretty unpopular with everyone, and rightly so.

It’s a distinction that members of this site OF ALL GENDERS may want to make, and it will make it easier for people to find what they’re looking for. It will mean that people who to meet transwomen and not cross-dressers don’t have to be inundated with messages from the latter.

It will also mean that I don’t have to deal with people who assume from looking at my profile that I’m a man in drag, as well as stopping perpetuating the harmful idea that we are.

If you don’t want to make the distinction because you reduce people to their genitals or can’t be arsed learning, I have a handy hint: SEARCH FOR BOTH!!! Don’t hold out for any response from transgender folks though.

Finally, I would like to refer people to Fab’s terms of use which state:

5.9 You shouldn’t assume that any Content is accurate and be aware that a person may not be who he or she claims to be. We can’t be responsible for false or misleading statements by Members as these are matters outside our reasonable control. It isn’t practical for us to vet the identity of Members or to vet or monitor all Content. While Members can verify the profiles of other Members, this is not a foolproof system. So, when arranging to meet others through our site, you must take appropriate precautions and follow any safety guidelines on the site. We cannot control what actually happens at such meetings which are at your own risk and are not our responsibility.

Which if you’re smart, you’re probably, doing all of already.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford


"It's 2016 and probably the most used swingers site can't even differentiate between a TV and a TS

Plenty of other sites do and it works perfectly well, fab just doesn't listen to its members, instead we get blue dots "

I want to know what a blue dot is?

And i agree Lauraxd pointless using a different category as everyone just fucks everyone anyway regardless of sex haha

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

When you look at the sheer variety of "labels" available to users of other sites, I find it odd that Fab hasn't changed.

Whilst different people may use the terms TV and TS differently, having them separate would at least make things easier for people searching for one rather than the other.

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