FabSwingers.com forum: TV/Ts

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

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By *orrado76Man
over a year ago

Banbury

Yep, couldn't agree more and this is a little bug bear of mine on Fab. To me a Transgender/transsexual is very different to a CD/TV not only in physical appearance and mindset but also what they are looking for from this site. Grouping them into one category just seems a little lazy and plain wrong to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I couldn't agree more, I think mindset is everything especially the way they talk to women too and I get a lot of messages from CD'S because I can't specify just TS'S

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

Split them all, like as they all have differences. Really I mean TV is not a CD so if they are going to separate it up let's do it properly. I don't wish to be crass but I dress fully and shave completely. I don't think I should be next to HPW's (no offence to those that do it) just as a TS doesn't want to be placed with us.

Honestly how hard can it be to get rid of the confusion. This subject goes round and round... Xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I probably should of worded it better but yes three separate categories would be better

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"I probably should of worded it better but yes three separate categories would be better "

no harm done

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By *inkyKellyCDTV/TS
over a year ago

Coventry

"Really I mean TV is not a CD"

(Disclaimer: Not trying to come off as argumentative - I suppose it's hard to read people through plain text!)

Surely they're the same? Consider the word 'transvestite' - 'trans' generally meaning 'across' or 'from one side to the other', and 'vestite' a kind of suffix meaning 'wearer of' - is the same word as 'crossdresser' (both being made of 'across' and 'wearer of').

On the other hand though, it is a bit awkward not having a word for someone who just puts on female clothes and doesn't shave/do makeup/wig/breastforms etc etc, if that's your definition of one of those two words? Though I suppose they're rare and usually get called HPWs, for 'hairy panty wearers'

Sorry for veering offtopic there - back to the point, I agree, TS/TG people deserve their own gender selection on here, considering they're very much a minority in a popular, broad classification here and as such they're difficult to find if you're actually looking for them.

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

You're absolutely right with the meaning of the words.(no offence taken)But we need to keep things simple for the guys out there that are "straight" but still send us lots of messages.."meet me now I need to be sucked" to quote today's special. Besides it's simply to help those searching to find us without the embarrassing realisation at the meeting... .

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Even if we had these catergories. I think a lot of mens ideas of what a TS is would be different from others. "Tranny"porn has a lot to answer for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've had this discussion before.

Personally I'd like tv's to just have male/female profiles and specify that they're into crossdressing.

I would like the trans category to be split into transmen and transwomen.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We've had this discussion before.

Personally I'd like tv's to just have male/female profiles and specify that they're into crossdressing.

I would like the trans category to be split into transmen and transwomen."

I also think this could be a good idea too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also agree that there should be a small change

-M

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Could definitely do with some thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm interested in meeting pre-op ts's,but have since removed this request from my profile and reactivated the tv/cd/ts filter..it only took one reply from the wrong type of profiler.

So yep, I think it's something that should be considered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them "

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress"

I don't think anyone is demeaning anyone.

Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

There is a huge difference between meeting a man or woman who dresses in other clothes for sexual pleasure, to meeting someone who is trans. People who are trans may have very specific needs regarding terminology and play limits and so shouldn't be in the same category as those who are dressing, but are still essentially conforming to the gender that was assigned to them at birth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

I don't think anyone is demeaning anyone.

Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

Thats just confusion,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

There is a huge difference between meeting a man or woman who dresses in other clothes for sexual pleasure, to meeting someone who is trans. "

This'll probably highlight my ignorance on the whole subject, but TV/CD's i simply regard as men who like dressing up as women.

Where as with trans females,pre or post-op, you're talking about people with acute gender dysphoria, who'll go to great lengths medically, surgically to obliterate much or all traces of their masculinity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

I don't think anyone is demeaning anyone.

Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

Thats just confusion,"

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

I would like it if there was a separate group as this would make it a lot easier for people . And you won't get the wrong sort of messages

I don't think anyone is demeaning anyone.

Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

Thats just confusion,

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same goes for relationship tv/ts.. there isn't an option that they can say if they in a relationship x

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress"

No one is ostracising anyone.

There is no comparison between between someone who is happy as a man and chooses to dress as a woman for sexual entertainment and someone who considers themselves to be a gender other than their birth gender.

Neither is any more important, valid or legitimate than the other. But they are different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A beautiful looking woman with breasts, nice hair and a softly spoken voice with a penis... is something that every man I have ever spoken to finds attractive.

A man wearing women's clothing, however isn't ever interested in imitation is a complete alternative scenario.

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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago

kinkville

I like it all lumped together. Am I a HPW? Sometimes, yes. xdresser? Sometimes, yes. Transvestite? Sometimes, yes. Ts - sometimes I aspire to be. Confused? It an be....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we all know there is a big difference between a cross dressing or TV'S and transgender/transsexual and I think there should be two different categories for them

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

I don't think anyone is demeaning anyone.

Crossdresser/TV - dresses in clothes of the opposite gender for sex, intimacy, and sexual pleasure.

Transman/woman/other - presents day to day as different to their birth-assigned gender.

Thats just confusion,

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic."

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

To the guys out there, if you get any Trans that castigate you for not following their silly Tranny heirarchy, just move on, there plenty of we Trannys that are down to earth, accept what we are and are looking for fun times with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep them all together, abhor this Trans heirarchy with its myriad labels oft designed to cater for the whims and fancies of a few, that oft demean and ostracise those that part time dress

No one is ostracising anyone.

Neither is any more important, valid or legitimate than the other. But they are different.

Confusion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?"

Big hard cocks do

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
over a year ago

Bolton

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do"

you have a very nice one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do"

I'll never win then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then."

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then.

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny"

Yes dear.

And only old married men fancy you. We all know your stance perfectly well, so you don't have to repeat it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then.

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny

Yes dear.

And only old married men fancy you. We all know your stance perfectly well, so you don't have to repeat it again."

Aye, middle aged married guys, that is 35 and upwards are the staple diet of we Trannys...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then.

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny

Yes dear.

And only old married men fancy you. We all know your stance perfectly well, so you don't have to repeat it again.

Aye, middle aged married guys, that is 35 and upwards are the staple diet of we Trannys..."

Fab pics Mara

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Aye, middle aged married guys, that is 35 and upwards are the staple diet of we Trannys..."

Once again I find myself torn between pitying you for the miserable version of your sexuality that you portray and disliking you for the unpleasant attitude toward anyone who does not share your own apparent disdain for the life you lead.

My partner is nothing even remotely like you and knowing her and having heard your opinions on "Trannydom" (whatever the fuck that is) only convinces more that there is a need to have a distinction between these extremes.

p,s. We are up late as we have just got back from a club where we took our pick of numerous hot 20 to 25 yr old guys. Don't recon too many of them were married.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can all stop bitching for a minute as it seems to have gone totally off topic and taken l a more self righteous look at me approach to replies.

I shall pit a little challenge to you maybe because I so comfortable with what am am and not the stupid label or group name YOU choose to live or die by I ask you what would I be categorised as. Bearing in mind that I don't really care because if you are part of a group you seem to treat all others with distane based on there sexual grouping.

Not long ago after posting a few pics that did okay in the ratings I was contacted by two of the top Irish trans girl who told me in no uncertain terms that hairy pantie wearers cd's like myself are nothing more than a disgusting wart on the trans communities ass

I did chuckle at the fact that they felt so threatened by a so called hpw which is a disgusting hurtful term to some "I don't really care, I trim

" . It's very clear that people who have made there way to full trans status have little respect for those who wish to be in that position but life hasn't offered that path to them.

So I ask again to those who are more enlightened than me and most seem to think they are. What group do I belong to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can all stop bitching for a minute as it seems to have gone totally off topic and taken l a more self righteous look at me approach to replies.

I did chuckle at the fact that they felt so threatened by a so called hpw which is a disgusting hurtful term to some "I don't really care, I trim

" . It's very clear that people who have made there way to full trans status have little respect for those who wish to be in that position but life hasn't offered that path to them.

So I ask again to those who are more enlightened than me and most seem to think they are. What group do I belong to"

To me you're a crossdresser. You do not appear to have any form of gender dysphoria from your profile - you seem happy and content as who you are.

You are different to me. I'm trans. I find it hard to live in the body I was born with and I am weighing up my options with hormones and surgery. I don't dress for sexual pleasure, I dress because that's *who I am*.

We are different to each other. We have different motivations for wearing clothes more usually reserved for a different sex to our own. Difference is wonderful - but should be recognised for what it is.

FWIW, I don't see anything wrong with being a 'hairy' crossdresser. In fact, I absolutely adore men who retain their masculinity while wearing clothes more traditionally worn by women. But I wouldn't search out a transperson for this - because a transperson wouldn't usually retain their masculine identity. I would search out a man who has 'crossdressing' ticked on his profile as an interest.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

This is like a two ronnies sketch ..... I look up to him because .... I look down on him because ....

Lighten up ... guys and gals ....

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

By Ladyboy-DaddyFind posts by Ladyboy-Daddy Couple (MM)

just this minute!

Swindon

For the sake of clarity, my comments regarding Mara,s post have more to do with the attitude she had displayed in numerous other threads than the specific comments in this one.

I never care what people label themselves and we are part of a group of friends who go out clubbing together ranging from entirely masculine guys in there 50s and 60s who enjoy wearing women's clothes to fully transitioned post op trans women in there 20s (and every single stage between the two)

The group has no sense of hierarchy or pecking order, we are just a crowd of friends who meet every month and go clubbing.

However,

As Wasp so superbly outlines, the differences between the sexualitites, desires and needs of the individuals are at least as opposing as they are between male and female.

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By *hrobinhoodMan
over a year ago

arnold, Nottingham

cant we just have male, female and other lol

I so hate labels lol

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

A beautiful looking woman with breasts, nice hair and a softly spoken voice with a penis... is something that every man I have ever spoken to finds attractive.

A man wearing women's clothing, however isn't ever interested in imitation is a complete alternative scenario.

Which one of these is a tv and which is the ts. Both could be either. The difference between a tv and ts is what is on the inside not on the outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is always a difficult one .

I'm very much a man who dresses but think I look pretty good as a girl . Yet I've a big dick abd a few hairs but nothing too obvious x

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I think some confusion comes from people (us?, me?, everyone?,) thinking that he defierentiating factor is how feminine or how convincing someone is and this instantly leads to accusations of jealousy or arrogance/superiority.

For me, it's not about how someone looks but how they perceive their own sexuality.

Many cross dressers/transvestities see themselves as guys who like to dress as girls and play with other guys who like guys (dressed as girls or not)

A transsexual sees themselves as a woman. In Erikas case, as a straight woman, who is only interested in straight men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some confusion comes from people (us?, me?, everyone?,) thinking that he defierentiating factor is how feminine or how convincing someone is and this instantly leads to accusations of jealousy or arrogance/superiority.

For me, it's not about how someone looks but how they perceive their own sexuality.

Many cross dressers/transvestities see themselves as guys who like to dress as girls and play with other guys who like guys (dressed as girls or not)

A transsexual sees themselves as a woman. In Erikas case, as a straight woman, who is only interested in straight men.

Or the opposite way round - of course.

Many cross dressers see themselves as women who like to play as guys.

And transmen see themselves as men.

(I know you know this, but I think it's worth reinforcing that a simple crossdresser/TG option doesn't go far enough.)

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Couldn't agree more.

We have had several profiles in the past and landed on this one as the one that causes the least confusion but we still have people asking why we are listed as an MM couple when E perceives herself as fem.

I never mind the question as it is usually one based on genuine interest which is pretty cool really.

After some comments about our MM profile we dabbled with an MF profile but did get what I could o my call abuse from straight guys feeling they had been "duped" into expressing an interest in another guy!

if they were a tool about it I would be sure to point out to then (incorrectly) that having found E attractive definitely meant the were bi and they should change their profile imidiately!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"cant we just have male, female and other lol

I so hate labels lol"

The problem with male, female and other is there is lots in between there, gender fluid, gender blind, transgender, transvestite, crossdresser and probably lots of other ones I have forgotten

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

A true TS is so hot and sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well obviously the site owners don't give a shit,as this subject comes up over n over and is ignored

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A true TS is so hot and sexy."

nah they come in all different shapes n sizes some sexy some not,,just like other people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"cant we just have male, female and other lol

I so hate labels lol"

I agree

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"Well obviously the site owners don't give a shit,as this subject comes up over n over and is ignored"

Never truer words spoken whether in jest or not.....

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Why does everyone one to complicate things,if people read a profile they will find out what people are,the trouple is people especially guys do not read profiles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most make it clear on their profile as to if they are TV/CD or TS/TG etc.

Just as a single guy will make it clear if he is straight, bi or gay....

And people still don't read our profiles. The number of guys who message requesting to suck my cock is silly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely, couldn't agree more

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By *j_markCouple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Totteridge/Whetstone

On balance we're still not convinced of the merits of this change. There are pros/cons to both sides which have been talked about in many past threads.

Admin x

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

"On balance we're still not convinced of the merits of this change. There are pros/cons to both sides which have been talked about in many past threads.

Admin x"

How about customers satisfaction?

If not for the TV/TS community then how about the people that are looking for a particular play partner. From couples to single guys (

) all wanting to meet convincing TS. To stopping the embarrassing situation when you're not what they expected....

Just my tuppence worth

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By *j_markCouple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Totteridge/Whetstone

How about customers satisfaction?

That's what we're not convinced about

Admin x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about customers satisfaction?

That's what we're not convinced about

Admin x"

The bestest message of all, keep out the confusion and keep we Trannys together so we ALL get treated as equals and given the same respect and dignity...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

If not for the TV/TS community then how about the people that are looking for a particular play partner. From couples to single guys (

) all wanting to meet convincing TS. To stopping the embarrassing situation when you're not what they expected....

Just my tuppence worth

I don't have a view one way or the other on the subject, but why would it be embarrassing for people looking at profiles to see the description the person has written and the pics uploaded ?

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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago

kinkville

How about customers satisfaction?

That's what we're not convinced about

Admin x

The bestest message of all, keep out the confusion and keep we Trannys together so we ALL get treated as equals and given the same respect and dignity..."

I'm with admin on this.. The main reason would probably be because i fancy the pants off of all Tv/Ts and it's simpler to lump them together and then I can perv them all at my leisure. Selfish, yes. Greedy, yes. Are you a hot Ts not attracted to Tvs? That's fine, if I'm really keen, I will create a dude profile and try to seduce you that way. No offence intended ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck em all ...I say

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

If not for the TV/TS community then how about the people that are looking for a particular play partner. From couples to single guys (

) all wanting to meet convincing TS. To stopping the embarrassing situation when you're not what they expected....

Just my tuppence worth

I don't have a view one way or the other on the subject, but why would it be embarrassing for people looking at profiles to see the description the person has written and the pics uploaded ?"

Because people don't read a profile they scan the pics and look for a meet. Then when you arrive and need to change so has their opinion of you.

Blinkered one sided look at the world.. Maybe

But also the bloody truth.

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By *ayd2pinkTV/TS
over a year ago

TENTERDEN

"Fuck em all ...I say"

If you say so

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

The bestest message of all, keep out the confusion and keep we Trannys together so we ALL get treated as equals and given the same respect and dignity..."

I can very much see the merit in that.

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

Yes think your probably right

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

If not for the TV/TS community then how about the people that are looking for a particular play partner. From couples to single guys (

) all wanting to meet convincing TS. To stopping the embarrassing situation when you're not what they expected....

Just my tuppence worth

I don't have a view one way or the other on the subject, but why would it be embarrassing for people looking at profiles to see the description the person has written and the pics uploaded ?

Because people don't read a profile they scan the pics and look for a meet. Then when you arrive and need to change so has their opinion of you.

Blinkered one sided look at the world.. Maybe

But also the bloody truth."

That seems to be a lack of communication problem rather than a site one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then.

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny

Yes dear.

And only old married men fancy you. We all know your stance perfectly well, so you don't have to repeat it again."

Oh dear...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone else is confused - just yourself about this topic.

Weave all the clever words you like, what you post is confusion....Your not one of us ...

No, I'm not 'one of you' - you are entirely correct. I am not a male crossdresser.

Do points win prizes?

Big hard cocks do

I'll never win then.

Thats right, it takes balls as well to be a tranny

Yes dear.

And only old married men fancy you. We all know your stance perfectly well, so you don't have to repeat it again.

Aye, middle aged married guys, that is 35 and upwards are the staple diet of we Trannys..."

...Now look what you've done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can all stop bitching for a minute as it seems to have gone totally off topic and taken l a more self righteous look at me approach to replies.

I did chuckle at the fact that they felt so threatened by a so called hpw which is a disgusting hurtful term to some "I don't really care, I trim

" . It's very clear that people who have made there way to full trans status have little respect for those who wish to be in that position but life hasn't offered that path to them.

So I ask again to those who are more enlightened than me and most seem to think they are. What group do I belong to"

Please do not tar everyone with the same brush. I well remember how I started, and don't look down on anyone on the trans spectrum.

Well, not much anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect the site owners aren't really interested in this subject as its been beaten to death on the forums with no hint of a change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes,,but the site owners aint interested

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

put it this way. in 30-40yr time there's going to be a huge generation gap when the baby boom will dip as lots of "straight" men are turning to sex with TS (easier and no periods and do anal) and since TS can't have kids there's going to be a dip....watch this space......devils advocate

And before you all start bashing me for my opinion hahaha I've spoke to loads of "straight" men on here who say they only go with TS for the above reason, which is their choice if it turns them on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surprised to hear so many 'straight' guys are so open and honest with you on such a touchy subject.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

why is it a touchy subject? I don't think it's touchy......this is fabswingers so if we're not open to the fact that everyone will try things out of their comfort zone then this site isn't for you I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's touchy for the guys who prefer to be seen as straight so as not to affect their chances with ladies.

Perhaps you're right. I get laid too much for fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why does everyone one to complicate things,if people read a profile they will find out what people are,the trouple is people especially guys do not read profiles."

Profiles appear at the very bottom on mobiles. This is a web design flaw I have brought up before in site issues forum. I'm a web design pro.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's been raised a few times before but it's important that those of us falling within this are supported to self-define our own gender as is appropriate to us, rather than to the population at large.

Transitioning can be a very difficult journey for many of us and imposing obligations that impose upon us the duty to become even more explicit publicly with our current position is something that can be an incredible pressure. And such a pressure can become very intimidating - and isn't something that others who aren't transitioning ever have imposed upon them. It really is something that I feel very strongly about.

Fab itself is also responsible for not delivering a service that imposes upon individuals who identify as trans to provide and store information about themselves that they are not comfortable with. Just because it might make others feel more comfortable, that really is not any justification whatsoever.

In other words, if someone else wishes to know more about me then it is largely just my choice upon whether I disclose anything or not. I'm in a fairly comfortable position, where I have a public presence - though I may not always feel this way. I certainly respect that others may not be in the same position, and would fight for everyones' rights to be as open - or not - as they may feel is suitable for them.

The alternative consideration is for a reduction in the current categories, to the binary genders of male and female, so that there is a further reduction in pressure upon transgender people, that's no greater than that tolerated for cis gendered individuals. In some respects that would be fairer, and would be akin to not expecting transgendered people to have to use public facilities that are transgendered female toilets, instead of me just using the female public toilets.

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By *d_deeTV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

I consider myself a CD.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do any other swinging websites divide ts/tv?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

As Fab is the best, I'm not sure. What I do believe is that we should follow best practice regardless of service sector. This primarily relates to ensuring that trans people of whatever status are supported to only have to disclose to the extent - if at all - that we are comfortable with.

It is our choice should we want to have any dialogue with anyone else who may view our profile. There are legal privileges that exist that afford us protections that the majority of the population do not need. These exist because they are important and must not in any way be overlooked.

I'll state it again - there may be changes that the non trans population may like for us trans folk to conform to for your benefit - but that is inappropriate reason to expect myself or others to tolerate or undergo. We self identify and disclose only as and when we have chosen to, of our own volition.

It is increasingly thought that the binary gender model is poorly representative of the diversity human gender.

I think the onus is on all of us within Fab to rely less upon categorization and more upon increasing the quality of our communication with each other. This post is largely not as a response to Clem but as a general addition to the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More cd here I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm interested in meeting pre-op ts's,but have since removed this request from my profile and reactivated the tv/cd/ts filter..it only took one reply from the wrong type of profiler.

So yep, I think it's something that should be considered "

Pre op male or female?

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