FabSwingers.com forum: TS and TV/CD

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hello there,i was wondering why tss and tvs/cds are classified altogether

Nothing wrong with tvs.cds but i don't want to be listed together with tvs and cds because gender dysphoria is not a fetish/about sex and it's a reconized internationally medical condition.

This is one of many problem the trans community has,people think we are tranvestites or cross dressers this is very insulting for trans women,listing us together it doesn't help the trans community.I know there was not harm intended from fabs and it's just lack of education on trans issues.

the site should have ''preop ts''

''postop ts''

''tvs/cds''

Thank you and i hope we can make some progress on fabs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just do a search for all the other times this had been asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good idea!

Good luck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

See i don't think the site should. Otherwise you'll have for example, the cuckolding community saying they want to stipulate between dom, non dom, sissy cuck, fem dom, hotwife, bull, dom bull etc etc and that's just the cuckolds! The website isn't big enough for everyone's sexual interest, just take it as it is, and use it together with more focused communities.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Birchplaces and other site have different categories for ts,tvs,cds ,birchplace is an escort site but also has a dating section.

This would make fabswingers looks more like 2015 than 1990s.

we cannot make comparisons with the'' cuckold community'' and transsexual people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like you need to use these "better" sites.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/275384

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a good point and well explained, a pre- or post op TS is totally different to a TV/CD, although I'm not sure what is required to add another category it would allow members to search profiles better, and like the OP says it seems to work okay on other sites.

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

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"I think it's a good point and well explained, a pre- or post op TS is totally different to a TV/CD, although I'm not sure what is required to add another category it would allow members to search profiles better, and like the OP says it seems to work okay on other sites."

I do agree with the OP this topic keeps coming up time and time again so I don't think it will change I would like it to but not sure it will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see the point being made I am in my transition and know that many don't understand the different between a tv and a ts. There need to be a little more understanding about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the site should have ''preop ts''

''postop ts''

''tvs/cds''

Thank you and i hope we can make some progress on fabs"

I don't believe that you should separate out post and pre op. Transmen rarely have surgery because it's not as sophisticated, and that means that you're essentially saying they're not as 'complete' with those categories.

Better to have:

'ftm cross dresser'

'transman'

'mtf cross dresser'

'transwoman'

'other'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See i don't think the site should. Otherwise you'll have for example, the cuckolding community saying they want to stipulate between dom, non dom, sissy cuck, fem dom, hotwife, bull, dom bull etc etc and that's just the cuckolds! The website isn't big enough for everyone's sexual interest, just take it as it is, and use it together with more focused communities."

There is though, a fundamental difference between a bloke who crossdresses for sexy times, and someone like myself who lives their life as a different gender to the one they were assigned at birth. I had to put 'female' on this site because if I put 'TV' then everyone assumes I'm a guy with a penis who likes wearing tights and high heels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the site should have ''preop ts''

''postop ts''

''tvs/cds''

Thank you and i hope we can make some progress on fabs

Better to have:

'ftm cross dresser'

'transman'

'mtf cross dresser'

'transwoman'

'other'"

I think just seperating cd/tv from Ts would be effective enough, the Tv's who feel they are 'full time' so to speak can sign up as Ts if they wanted. Too many catergories will prob confuse most.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think just seperating cd/tv from Ts would be effective enough, the Tv's who feel they are 'full time' so to speak can sign up as Ts if they wanted. Too many catergories will prob confuse most.

The problem is that most people think that 'TS' means 'a man who is transitioning to be a woman'.

What about women transitioning to be men? They shouldn't really be anywhere near the same category.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there more women trapped inside mens bodies than the opposite? Does anyone have any figures of the original sexes before becoming transsexual? Or sexually realigned?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think just seperating cd/tv from Ts would be effective enough, the Tv's who feel they are 'full time' so to speak can sign up as Ts if they wanted. Too many catergories will prob confuse most.

The problem is that most people think that 'TS' means 'a man who is transitioning to be a woman'.

What about women transitioning to be men? They shouldn't really be anywhere near the same category."

What most people think and what actually is are usually quite different. Transexual to me defines anyone who has taken the step to make the change regardless of the change. Just my opinion of course and I'm no expert on the subject. I actually agree with the inital post just implementing it needs to be as easy as possible for it to have any chance of being thought about by the folks who can.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

that would be great but i don't think they would change it to transwomen or transmen,i wish

i have never seen it on a sex dating site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are there more women trapped inside mens bodies than the opposite? Does anyone have any figures of the original sexes before becoming transsexual? Or sexually realigned?"

Trangender people are not 'trapped inside' another body. They are just themselves, sometimes with the wrong gender-markers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello there,i was wondering why tss and tvs/cds are classified altogether

Nothing wrong with tvs.cds but i don't want to be listed together with tvs and cds because gender dysphoria is not a fetish/about sex and it's a reconized internationally medical condition.

the site should have ''preop ts''

''postop ts''

''tvs/cds''

Thank you and i hope we can make some progress on fabs"

i would have thought a post op ts would be under the female wouldnt she but i do agree maybe a preop should be separate from television and compact disc xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Getting back on topic!, rather than it being hijacked by lots of ill informed experts, I fully understand the OPs concerns BUT, the other sites mentioned are also far more specialised towards only trans people, whereas the name FABSWINGERS tells exactly where this site is pointed. I feel this sites catagories gives enough space as it is and maybe, just maybe, it isn't exactly where the OP will easily find a partner. There's currently a forum post for owners of VWs but I wouldn't expect VW owners to come here looking for technical info, cars for sale etc. There are 100s of posts already regarding apparently 'straight' men causing grief, it simply wouldn't work trying to sub divide TV/CDs any further! Sorry, but just saying... Ta x x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Getting back on topic!, rather than it being hijacked by lots of ill informed experts, I fully understand the OPs concerns BUT, the other sites mentioned are also far more specialised towards only trans people, whereas the name FABSWINGERS tells exactly where this site is pointed."

So... if a guy messages me for a meet thinking he's going to meet a woman, and I turn up in a suit and tie and won't let him have sex with my vagina because I'm a transman... how exactly do you think that will end for me? I'll tell you how it will end - in violence. Because lots of guys solve their problems with violence when faced with this kind of situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or you could write it in your profile yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Off topic again!!! But if I told a meet I was a woman, then turned up with my c*ck hanging out, I'd expect a smack in the teeth being a slight possibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off topic again!!! But if I told a meet I was a woman, then turned up with my c*ck hanging out, I'd expect a smack in the teeth being a slight possibility."

Exactly. So more accurate ways of describing yourself would seem apt.

If I use the category 'woman', people expect someone feminine who behaves like a woman and has three holes.

If I use the category 'man', people expect no breasts and a working penis.

If I use the category 'TV' then people expect a working penis but with porn-star-feminine dress.

What do I use so that I don't get smacked?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello there,i was wondering why tss and tvs/cds are classified altogether

Nothing wrong with tvs.cds but i don't want to be listed together with tvs and cds because gender dysphoria is not a fetish/about sex and it's a reconized internationally medical condition.

I totally agree and wholeheartedly support this - it's long overdue for Fab to get out of the 1960's on this!

A TV/CD is a guy in women's clothing..

A TS is a woman in men's physical bits...

(or swap the words for the other genders)

A post-op fem TS is somebody who has body and soul aligned and is just a woman... I know, I've made love to enough of them!

They are very different people and I want to know beforehand which is which and how I should approach them, if you please!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off topic again!!! But if I told a meet I was a woman, then turned up with my c*ck hanging out, I'd expect a smack in the teeth being a slight possibility.

Exactly. So more accurate ways of describing yourself would seem apt.

If I use the category 'woman', people expect someone feminine who behaves like a woman and has three holes.

If I use the category 'man', people expect no breasts and a working penis.

If I use the category 'TV' then people expect a working penis but with porn-star-feminine dress.

What do I use so that I don't get smacked?"

Isn't that what the profile text box is for, describing yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don't forget she males to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Off topic again!!! But if I told a meet I was a woman, then turned up with my c*ck hanging out, I'd expect a smack in the teeth being a slight possibility.

Exactly. So more accurate ways of describing yourself would seem apt.

If I use the category 'woman', people expect someone feminine who behaves like a woman and has three holes.

If I use the category 'man', people expect no breasts and a working penis.

If I use the category 'TV' then people expect a working penis but with porn-star-feminine dress.

What do I use so that I don't get smacked?

Isn't that what the profile text box is for, describing yourself."

Yes - but which category should I select so that I get found by people looking for me?

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By *ostBoySoulMan
over a year ago

Streatham

It would be nice for Fabs wingers to cater for the diversity of the transgender community...A community that faces daily discrimination...

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

Sorry for being ignorant...but please enlighten me:

what if someone always feels he is a "real woman" but in a guy's physique..and never "penetrate" or even have the desire to "penetrate" another person (male or female) in his whole life..(because he think of himself as a woman)

He always think of himself as a "straight woman" living in a guy's physique.

BUT

he is not going to change himself as he truly accept both his female soul and male physique.

- partly because of family, social and religious pressure...

So he lives as a guy

but have sex only when he "crossdress"..in secrecy.

What category is he in?

Despite insulted at the idea but is he just a guy who fancy putting a girl's dress, TV/CD?

Labels confuse me. For fabswingers to have TV/TS options here is good enough for me.

I honestly would love to know what you all think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry for being ignorant...but please enlighten me:

He always think of himself as a "straight woman" living in a guy's physique.

BUT

he is not going to change himself as he truly accept both his female soul and male physique.

- partly because of family, social and religious pressure...

So he lives as a guy

but have sex only when he "crossdress"..in secrecy.

What category is he in?

Despite insulted at the idea but is he just a guy who fancy putting a girl's dress, TV/CD?

Labels confuse me. For fabswingers to have TV/TS options here is good enough for me.

I honestly would love to know what you all think."

Usually someone with feelings like that would identify themselves as genderqueer, or as a closeted transwoman.

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By *oveSlutForUseCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Although I'm neither, I completely agree that TS should not be lumped in with TV/ cross dressers.

It's like putting a Mr Universe contestant in with a 7 stone weakling in a muscle suit.

It'd certainly piss me off if I were a TS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And who's going to 'police' it, make sure everyone's in the right category?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And who's going to 'police' it, make sure everyone's in the right category?

Why does it need policing? People can self identify.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems like there are a lot of people who know a lot about the subject and with all this knowledge there is still no definitive answer.

Surely the m/f/cpl/tv/cd part of a profile isn't what you base your meets on.

Would it not be better to discuss these things in messages where you can put your exact circumstances down in a way that you feel describes you best. You'll be able to define who you are far better than relying on a tick box.

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury

"It seems like there are a lot of people who know a lot about the subject and with all this knowledge there is still no definitive answer.

Surely the m/f/cpl/tv/cd part of a profile isn't what you base your meets on.

Yes but when you are Trans ,tv or cd which is the same by the way is not what we are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the simplest option is to make it clear on your profile txt like I have then people are under no illusion.

No point making a drama out of it really its just a hook up site at the end of the day.

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury

"I think the simplest option is to make it clear on your profile txt like I have then people are under no illusion.

No point making a drama out of it really its just a hook up site at the end of the day. "

Yes that is true xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely the m/f/cpl/tv/cd part of a profile isn't what you base your meets on. "

Yes, I do. If I fancy having sex with a man, I search for a man. If I want to have sex with a woman, I search for a woman. If I want to have sex with a ftm TV... how do I search for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the simplest option is to make it clear on your profile txt like I have then people are under no illusion.

No point making a drama out of it really its just a hook up site at the end of the day. "

In the **first line** of my profile I say that I am not interested in straight men or men who cannot accommodate. I'd say that at least 90% of the men that message me are either straight, or cannot accommodate (or both).

I'd say perhaps, in the last three or four months or so, I've had maybe two people that have read and understood that I am genderqueer/TV/not female. And that's out of hundreds and hundreds of messages.

So no, the simplest option is not 'making it clear' on your profile because people don't read it. The simplest option would be to be able to have the correct category for my gender, which is ftm TG.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Just make it clear on your profile,and hope people read it.

It would be far to complicated to split it up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just make it clear on your profile,and hope people read it.

It would be far to complicated to split it up"

I don't think splitting TV into two categories - male and female - would actually be complicated.

Because then we could actually find ftm TVs. There are a few of us about, but they can be in three different categories at the moment. Which is actually far more complicated than just having a category for us.

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By *ire meet GasolineCouple
over a year ago

Reading

"And who's going to 'police' it, make sure everyone's in the right category?

I guess you can just hit the report button if you find someone is not what they claim to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the simplest option is to make it clear on your profile txt like I have then people are under no illusion.

No point making a drama out of it really its just a hook up site at the end of the day.

So no, the simplest option is not 'making it clear' on your profile because people don't read it. The simplest option would be to be able to have the correct category for my gender, which is ftm TG."

Then quite simply somebody who messages me / you asking for sex ect and haven't read our profile is not worthy off attention.

It only takes a minute or so. x

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By *lways horny247Man
over a year ago

Dunfermline

Well said

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By *now white1000Woman
over a year ago

York

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By *now white1000Woman
over a year ago

York

When i first joined Fab, i declared myself as 'woman' why? Because all my legal paperwork declares that i am female.

I was 100% honest and upfront on my profile, stating that i was 'pre-op' therefore still 'with cock'.

My profile was reported within hours of me joining and Admin changed my grouping a lumped me in with TV/CD.

Yes i started a thread right here about the subject, and got shot down in flames by most, got praised by a few and got several messages telling me i shouldn't be on fab and that i should fuck off and join fab guys instead.

Here's the thing though,

Woman = Gender

Man = Gender

TS (MtoF and FtoM) = Gender

TV/CD = fetish/hobby.

TV/CD some will do it as a hobby, some will do it for sexual thrills/kicks.

But how do you just have groups for gender and still be able to tell who is a TV or CD because neither of those is a gender and neither is a sexual orientation either, so pushing it down to that option is also a no.

OK, you could state on your profile that you're CD or TV, but come on, how many people actually read a profile, judging by the mail i get i'd say about 5% if that.

Fab quite simply has to move with the times, get it's head of the sand and leap into the 21st century.

Sort it out Fab, for all our sakes and to finally put an end to all these endless 'lumping us with them threads'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello there,i was wondering why tss and tvs/cds are classified altogether

Nothing wrong with tvs.cds but i don't want to be listed together with tvs and cds because gender dysphoria is not a fetish/about sex and it's a reconized internationally medical condition.

the site should have ''preop ts''

''postop ts''

''tvs/cds''

Thank you and i hope we can make some progress on fabs"

Although we have absolutely no interest in TV's/CDS and are neither for or against Xdressing,

we absolutely agree there is a cast iron case for separating genuine TS (whether post or pre-op) from the fat hairy guy who struts about in his wifes chest warmers & reinforced gusset whilst shes out at the Bingo with Doreen.

Good luck to you This should be a priority. but it would need sensitive moderating as I can see it being abused by the "convincing" wannabes.

Pippa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TS (MtoF and FtoM) = Gender

And obviously... they're very different things too.

For instance I am FtoM (female seems the best category for me right now on this site, unfortunately) and people often ask me if I still have my cock and my tits. Which is upsetting to be honest. Because it reminds me that I can't afford to get my breasts removed, and that genital surgery for FtoM people is rarely taken because it's not medically advanced enough.

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By *aithlessangelCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

I also agree that this needs to be changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree. People do demand special rooms/ forums for their particular fetish ...but read what fact the OP takes the time to point out.

"i don't want to be listed together with tvs and cds because GENDER DYSPHORIA IS NOT A FETISH/ABOUT SEX it's a reconized internationally medical condition."

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