FabSwingers.com forum: Not that Fabs listens to Ideas, But TS/TV option.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Many many many users have gone on about these being split as they are two different things. Alot of swinging sites are now appealing more to the TS Community because of it. (Fabs, you are loosing a lot of potential ts girls due to the clash). It should be:

TS/TG

TV/CD

Why?

TS is someone who was born one gender (medical condition) where there brain carries split gender structure, Female Brain data (And more!...) leading to confusion at later life with their birth gender. Some girls will happily live their life full time as a female on hormones, whilst others will get surgery to correct natures mistakes.

TV is someone who enjoys Dressing up. They like to be the part time girl but have no intention on altering their body. Its just a little fun for them, and the men/woman they sleep with. TV Can be classified as cross dressing, drag queens or girls who live their life part time female (again, but have no intention on changing).

So Clashing a medical condition with a Dress up? Bit silly.

Its just very offensive to a lot of us ts girls to be put in a dress up criteria when it fact, transsexuality is a known and proven medical condition. When will people ever get heard on here, i don't know -_-

(go onto most TS Girls profiles on here the one thing you will see is "Im not TV, Im TS". Start hearing us out fabs!)

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By *artinichilled1TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Absolutely agree.I have met both TS and TVs and there is a difference.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Like i can understand TV's love glamming up just like us TS do, But as you say, they shouldn't be clashed together as one is for the fun of doing it and the joys and the other is living the correct sex. I wish they'd realize as even the TV girls on here hate being called TS just like us TS hate being called TV. Thought by now fabswingers would have listened lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree. It is time for Fab to get with the times and separate them. I would also like to see more sexual preference options, like pansexual as an option. I consider myself pan not bi.

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By *j_markCouple
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over a year ago

Totteridge/Whetstone

"Many many many users have gone on about these being split as they are two different things. Alot of swinging sites are now appealing more to the TS Community because of it. (Fabs, you are loosing a lot of potential ts girls due to the clash). It should be:

TS/TG

TV/CD

Why?

So Clashing a medical condition with a Dress up? Bit silly.

(go onto most TS Girls profiles on here the one thing you will see is "Im not TV, Im TS". Start hearing us out fabs!)

This is a very good explanation. There are lots of implications to splitting but we will look into the practicalities of it

Admin x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like i can understand TV's love glamming up just like us TS do, But as you say, they shouldn't be clashed together as one is for the fun of doing it and the joys and the other is living the correct sex. I wish they'd realize as even the TV girls on here hate being called TS just like us TS hate being called TV. Thought by now fabswingers would have listened lol xxx"

lets hope they do so soon only fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree. It is time for Fab to get with the times and separate them. I would also like to see more sexual preference options, like pansexual as an option. I consider myself pan not bi."

Yes I agree I'd rather be pan than bi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Hear, hear!' to all the above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are the owners of FAB.

You have 25,000 profiles marked TV/TS and decide to implement the suggestion.

Do you mail every profile to ask if you are TV or TS?

Do you ask for proof as (god forbid) people lie?

I am just thinking that, as admin have pointed out, this excellent explanation does have practicalities to be dealt with.

If the site started tomorrow, I am sure it would be taken up, but the current owners inherited what was already set up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You are the owners of FAB.

You have 25,000 profiles marked TV/TS and decide to implement the suggestion.

Do you mail every profile to ask if you are TV or TS?

Do you ask for proof as (god forbid) people lie?

I am just thinking that, as admin have pointed out, this excellent explanation does have practicalities to be dealt with.

If the site started tomorrow, I am sure it would be taken up, but the current owners inherited what was already set up."

Obviously not. TV/CD are quite honest and open on here TS/TG it should be for us girls. obviously given the one time option of updating the profile. In which, im a coder by trade. Fabswingers uses ASPX for their website language which is PISS easy to change data over or add extra options considering they're not using PHP. so the excuse of them not being able to do it is ridic, cos as i say, being a coder ive had my share coding and managing aspx and its quite easy to do. They just dont want to listen and treat people fairly on here. As i said above. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

TS/TG

TV/CD

Why?

So Clashing a medical condition with a Dress up? Bit silly.

(go onto most TS Girls profiles on here the one thing you will see is "Im not TV, Im TS". Start hearing us out fabs!)

This is a very good explanation. There are lots of implications to splitting but we will look into the practicalities of it

Admin x"

If you need any help can always message me as I say ASPX is quite straight forward with me. Don't know how advanced you are with the coding side. Its not easy, but its possible! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

in fairness to fab it does make changes.

Despite the simple looking web page there is a lot going on behind the GUI.

Changes are not simple and need to be scheduled, tested and implemented.

Also changes can be costly, and we get a lot more for free than other sites. The silver supporter is cheap.

Frankly Fab owners deserve the profit, somewhere they have invested time and money...

although in equal fairness to the OP the changes you ask for are good ones, along with the Bi preference that keeps being requested, and should be next on the "to do" list.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"in fairness to fab it does make changes.

Despite the simple looking web page there is a lot going on behind the GUI.

Changes are not simple and need to be scheduled, tested and implemented.

Also changes can be costly, and we get a lot more for free than other sites. The silver supporter is cheap.

Frankly Fab owners deserve the profit, somewhere they have invested time and money...

although in equal fairness to the OP the changes you ask for are good ones, along with the Bi preference that keeps being requested, and should be next on the "to do" list.

Can be tricky to change / add things totally agree as theyd have to add functions then add it to the message filter options, and looking for options etc etc its alot to do, but worth the split! I see alot of sites slowly starting to change it and know so many people have begged for years to split them. Could be fabs rise higher to the top adding more things X

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By *j_markCouple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Totteridge/Whetstone

"in fairness to fab it does make changes.

Despite the simple looking web page there is a lot going on behind the GUI.

Changes are not simple and need to be scheduled, tested and implemented.

Also changes can be costly, and we get a lot more for free than other sites. The silver supporter is cheap.

Frankly Fab owners deserve the profit, somewhere they have invested time and money...

although in equal fairness to the OP the changes you ask for are good ones, along with the Bi preference that keeps being requested, and should be next on the "to do" list.

There is also a cognitive issue here in that we are discussing a difference that if you asked 90%+ of users they would not understand without explanation. We need to think how that would play out on all the areas of the site this would affect.

Admin x

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By *itchfieldMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

There might be people who don't understand but they won't ever understand if no-one tells them. There's a Glossary that's quite underused that could help people understand each term in the search fields.

Also if they're searching for TV/TS then they have to at least know what one of those acronyms mean in the first place. Therefore I'm not convinced they don't know what both of them mean even if they're understanding isn't perfect.

I don't think you should worry about people not understanding a more advanced search facility. We are, after all, ground dwelling apes who've built sophisticated languages, art, buildings, computers and machines. We aren't that much different from the people 10,000 years ago but we seem to have learned an awful lot. If you expect people to improve their knowledge and offer them the opportunity to do so they simply will.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Actually the easiest way to solve this with least offence is to just rename the category to Trans*. We are all on the trans spectrum and that way no-one is offended. The only thing I would then say about that is that cross-dressing,i.e. like wearing wifes knickers and stockings whilst on cam in chat or for photos whilst knocking one off is then not covered under trans. Trans* is then purely for people that are truly trans. It also means you can categorise any picture as trans related without the issue of what category do I put this under. As a trans woman I would put things under Cpl if I am with a man or FF if I am with a woman but many would probably have different opinion. If Trans is open and generic then anything trans related is covered. That makes the solution much easier to manage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And while we are at it, why cant we have seperate sections in the forum

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Actually the easiest way to solve this with least offence is to just rename the category to Trans*. We are all on the trans spectrum and that way no-one is offended. The only thing I would then say about that is that cross-dressing,i.e. like wearing wifes knickers and stockings whilst on cam in chat or for photos whilst knocking one off is then not covered under trans. Trans* is then purely for people that are truly trans. It also means you can categorise any picture as trans related without the issue of what category do I put this under. As a trans woman I would put things under Cpl if I am with a man or FF if I am with a woman but many would probably have different opinion. If Trans is open and generic then anything trans related is covered. That makes the solution much easier to manage.

Put it this way, Some men want TS. not TVs. I cant tell you the amount of people that have it blocked yet message me on facebook or twitter because they cant happily search for TS's without getting unwanted messages from TV. Probs vice versa to other people too. Its an individual liking kinda thing and i think on all levels they should not be clashed. Fabs is just causing confusion with them being together. Making the split would change alot of how fabs can work regarding TS and TV individual's. Im fed up of getting "Your a hot TV" its rude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would have thought that TS and TG could be added to the gender drop down as gender possibly along with agender as we are now understanding that gender is not a binary concept (male or female)

Of course I'm not techy enough to know if that's a simple thing to do or not?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would have thought that TS and TG could be added to the gender drop down as gender possibly along with agender as we are now understanding that gender is not a binary concept (male or female)

Of course I'm not techy enough to know if that's a simple thing to do or not?"

its tricky cos they have to add the option then add the string values to each and every page where it lists a gender. Would take a while to update codes and hope that it causes no errors, so its a little tricky, but as i say, one thats worth making the change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally support the OP’s proposal regards creating a separate category for TS…..

But I find the suggestion of creating a “pansexual” category utterly ludicrous ….

Personally I feel having a "sexuality filter" would be of much greater value than creating an irrelevant pansexual section just to suit the whimsy of a few people who refuse to accept the nature of their sexual activity already fits one of the 3 recognised definitions.

Swingers are not a separate species from mains stream society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess I suggested TS goes into gender because as far as I'm aware you can be any combination of these 3 categories.

male, female or trans - gender

Gay, straight, bi - sexuality

CD, TV is an activity that you enjoy doing the same as any other activity/kink

Guess it sounds from the techy point of view that this would not be the easiest thing to undertake

I would support the changes however the techy bit can be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure that changing it will stop people making the same mistakes it's more to do with the lack of understanding about trans people in general there will still be people who get it wrong and message calling you a tv or as I get people asking if you have a cock or recall boobs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I guess I suggested TS goes into gender because as far as I'm aware you can be any combination of these 3 categories.

male, female or trans - gender

Gay, straight, bi - sexuality

CD, TV is an activity that you enjoy doing the same as any other activity/kink

Guess it sounds from the techy point of view that this would not be the easiest thing to undertake

I would support the changes however the techy bit can be done"

AMEN!! Ones a gender the other is a activity!

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Absolutely agree with that. And yes I'm getting fed up with the line "I dress too" let alone other TV/CD assumptions.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

My view is what is being said here, even with a status change will a lot of the people contacting you know what the difference is anyway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although I don’t associate transsexuals and transvestites together, I do accept there is confusion in the wider community,

Which is why I feel that by continuing to categorise TS/TV's together here on Fab, we are just perpetuating the misconception instead of trying to raise awareness and acceptance of the huge difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

must say it is the best thing i have ever done and haveing a good wife does help in me been shirley there not a lot that will but up with that i have been shirley for a long time now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Although I don’t associate transsexuals and transvestites together, I do accept there is confusion in the wider community,

Those that want to know, will know the difference, those that have no interest will not really care.

Obviously, to have correct section for all would be of a help to all that need it, but then we are all still waiting for bi search and filter (male and female) 2+ years at least down the line from it's first request.

But lets be realistic, Fab is most likely a part time enterprise being a free site, with no real generation of money other than donations. Which most will probably go on the site as is, just to keep it going, and make small changes. Large scale changes, including testing requires time and money and a full time employment of customer service goons as they call it, let alone web techs etc.

Take another worldwide site which charges members approx $30 a month - they have the finances to make changed where required, but they are still slow doing them and they dont seperate TS/TV's etc.

Fab has changed from a general swingers site (as in couple swapping with couples), to a broad sex finders site (not just couple swaps). They have tried to seperate some of them out by bring a fab guys site and the single site, but compared to fab itself they are hardly used.

Fab need to realise, if you want a site that does it all, stick with the one site and make it functional for everyone. Otherwise the just need to provide different sites for different interests.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Problem with different sites for different interests is that I would never have met many if the people I have here if we were sectioned off on another website. And to be honest I've met couples from here that really wouldn't have gone on a Trans site. That's precisely why I'm here. Once people get to know me in chat they then learn that I'm not much different to the elusive bi female that many seek. I was just assigned the wrong body part at birth.

I'm sure given time they will sort it out but given that it is essentially a free swinging (not sex) site then I can put up with waiting for now. Most of my meets come from social meets or from in chat anyway, not through the searches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can understand the Op logic, however Im happy enough, it gives me something to talk about with people who message me, and communication is key, at the end of the day most men just want an arse to shag, and if the arse is adorned with female clothes they feel happier.

TV, CD is an illusion, its a parody of a woman. In the right light the men, bless em, are not that fussy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Although I don’t associate transsexuals and transvestites together, I do accept there is confusion in the wider community,

Those that want to know, will know the difference, those that have no interest will not really care.

Take another worldwide site which charges members approx $30 a month - they have the finances to make changed where required, but they are still slow doing them and they dont seperate TS/TV's etc.

Fab need to realise, if you want a site that does it all, stick with the one site and make it functional for everyone. Otherwise the just need to provide different sites for different interests."

as i stated above, it costs nothing to add functions and fabs are slowly getting round to it. A website is numerous pages of written language. in order for the language to work, it has to pull information from a database etc. So they could add the functions for bi , TS/TG, TV/CD, etc, but it is just time consuming cos you have to edit alot of functions in order for it to work correctly. Hopefully soon, they'll do more things to fab making it a more advanced place. But raising ideas at this point is better than nothing as they then know what they need to work towards. I have seen alot of people asking for the Bi search so your not on your own on that one. everyone has something they'd like adding, but this one is more regarding gender and dress up. your born transsexual unfortunately. its not a case of "dressing up" as you live your life as the correct sex. xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Although I don’t associate transsexuals and transvestites together, I do accept there is confusion in the wider community,

Those that want to know, will know the difference, those that have no interest will not really care.

Take another worldwide site which charges members approx $30 a month - they have the finances to make changed where required, but they are still slow doing them and they dont seperate TS/TV's etc.

Fab need to realise, if you want a site that does it all, stick with the one site and make it functional for everyone. Otherwise the just need to provide different sites for different interests.

the costs are testing, not adding a few options.

and bi search/filter has taken over 2 years, and still waiting..

fab is just behind the times..

(not knocking the site though, as it currently stands it's just a "black book" for us, nothing more)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well all is fine and looking for a good week end free all week end but must say i am looking for some one from 6 ish tea time till late on very late on to see me on line sat day to meet if there is some one up for a good meet with me from 6 till when ever xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im sure a lot of people want TS/TV have a split category, and not for anything as noble as respecting medical conditions.

A lot of men in particular would want to be able to meet the hung busty brazillian TS of their dreams, and us pesky TVs profiles get in the way of that.

So if we are having a category split then I'd like it to be a 3 way split. I spend a fuck of a lot of time keeping fit, and a fuck of a lot of money on my appearance and dress. It's compulsive and not a sexual fetish, therefore also a medical condition if you want to be funny about it. So I would want to be separated from Crossdressers!

Not happy about being in the same category as a guy who just wears panties and stockings under his overalls all day because it gets him off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Knowing a few TV and TS people, I can say I agree. It would be like lumping Gay men and Gay women into the same search, its that simple.

Theres a lot of people out there that don't want anything to do with one, but do the other. It seems like an obvious split really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bump....

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By *allen MadonnaWoman
over a year ago

In my own little world

I can clearly see that this is a very valid issue and should be easy enough to remedy.

I worked for a local council and we had to change all of our systems/forms/practices to be able to treat transgender people in a fair and positive manner.

I can see from both view points, but its not only a legal requirement, but also its about meeting the needs and requirements of the customers. Customers are fickle things and will leave for other sites that have kept up to date and respected their clients.

Currently battling with a certain underwear shop who can't seem to accommodate TG at the moment.

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