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By *earlfire OP   Man
21 weeks ago

Margate

I am of the conclusion that the messaging system doesn't really work. I find old messages are lost but when you go to a profile it remembers that you messaged them, but you have no context on that discussion.

I just feel it's become the most important feature but in comparison to other messaging systems is become for me quite useless, it doesn't really engage.

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
21 weeks ago

There and Here

If, when you visit a profile you've messaged before, and you click on the last message preview, it will show the conversation (although I'm not sure how far back it goes but I've just looked at one that is 6 weeks old).

Alternatively you could make use of the notes feature perhaps?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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21 weeks ago

O o O oo

Click on the link to the left of the profile and it takes you to the last messages

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By *ugby 123Couple
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21 weeks ago

O o O oo

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/1602594

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By *earlfire OP   Man
21 weeks ago

Margate

Yes but don't you think the messaging system can be better improved? It would be better to have a more interactive chat window

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By *aul_j80Man
21 weeks ago

Bloxwich

After a certain amount of time it doesn't show your last message, only that you or they have messaged.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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21 weeks ago

O o O oo


"Yes but don't you think the messaging system can be better improved? It would be better to have a more interactive chat window "

That's a different question altogether I am happy with how it works to be honest.

As you now have what you were asking for in the OP, what other improvments do you think is needed?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
21 weeks ago

Central

It works but most people are not mutually compatible with most other people. Failure of messages to elicit the outcomes you want, is not failure, it's just feedback.

You can use the Notes feature, to retain details about your contact, to help supplement the message system

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By *earlfire OP   Man
21 weeks ago

Margate


"Yes but don't you think the messaging system can be better improved? It would be better to have a more interactive chat window

That's a different question altogether I am happy with how it works to be honest.

As you now have what you were asking for in the OP, what other improvments do you think is needed?"

I feel it's very clunky, and what is it, a way to have a conversation, or just basic messaging. It seems to me to be neither. The message handling is poor also, I have messages which are referenced in the profile but I can't find it in my messages. Also the whole thing falls down when someone leaves it appears to delete everything and you then go WTF.

This site also seems to be heavy in blocking people. It's generally something I do on any other site. There is a misbalance in my view

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
21 weeks ago

There and Here


"Yes but don't you think the messaging system can be better improved? It would be better to have a more interactive chat window

That's a different question altogether I am happy with how it works to be honest.

As you now have what you were asking for in the OP, what other improvments do you think is needed?

I feel it's very clunky, and what is it, a way to have a conversation, or just basic messaging. It seems to me to be neither. The message handling is poor also, I have messages which are referenced in the profile but I can't find it in my messages. Also the whole thing falls down when someone leaves it appears to delete everything and you then go WTF.

This site also seems to be heavy in blocking people. It's generally something I do on any other site. There is a misbalance in my view"

Why, when someone leaves and their messages automatically deleted, is this a problem? They've gone, why do you need their messages?

Also, are you suggesting people's ability to use the block button freely is some sort of fault of the messaging system?

Regarding previous messages shown when you open a profile you've had contact with before, you don't need to find them in your messages - simply click on the previous message preview and it'll link directly to the conversation

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By *earlfire OP   Man
21 weeks ago

Margate

1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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21 weeks ago

O o O oo


"Yes but don't you think the messaging system can be better improved? It would be better to have a more interactive chat window

That's a different question altogether I am happy with how it works to be honest.

As you now have what you were asking for in the OP, what other improvments do you think is needed?

I feel it's very clunky, and what is it, a way to have a conversation, or just basic messaging. It seems to me to be neither. The message handling is poor also, I have messages which are referenced in the profile but I can't find it in my messages. Also the whole thing falls down when someone leaves it appears to delete everything and you then go WTF.

This site also seems to be heavy in blocking people. It's generally something I do on any other site. There is a misbalance in my view"

Click on the link to the left of the profile and you will find a previous conversation.

The site has no control of when people want to block each other.

Is there a reason why you would need to see mails from people who have left the site?

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By *illan-KillashMan
21 weeks ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants


"1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years."

I block people who I've no desire to interact with. That's the point of blocking, it's not a failure of the messaging system.

Personally I don't give a shit how much not being able to message makes them butthurt.

No fucks given about how much someone feels its their god given right to message me. My preferences are the only ones that matter.

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By *ucka39Man
21 weeks ago

Newcastle

Saving the odd message helps even if it's the last, so are aware where things are left at....

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
21 weeks ago

There and Here


"1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years."

People leaving and coming back is outwith the control of the site. There are options other than deleting a profile. Profiles can be hidden, indeed people can log out for however long they want but some people choose to leave and return instead. That's down to the individual.

Holding onto messages in the vain hope that one day that person might return feels a little, I dunno, desperate?

Blocking isn't a last measure for all. It's a first port of call for some. Trying to limit an individuals right to block whoever they want also feels desperate, not to mention controlling

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By *hesubtlegentMan
20 weeks ago

surrey

I’ve found that some conversations I’ve had with others have completely disappeared. They are still on fab and neither of us had deleted any messages so there’s a flaw somewhere…

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


"1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years.

People leaving and coming back is outwith the control of the site. There are options other than deleting a profile. Profiles can be hidden, indeed people can log out for however long they want but some people choose to leave and return instead. That's down to the individual.

Holding onto messages in the vain hope that one day that person might return feels a little, I dunno, desperate?

Blocking isn't a last measure for all. It's a first port of call for some. Trying to limit an individuals right to block whoever they want also feels desperate, not to mention controlling"

1) there are measures that can be done.

2) you can say desperate, but that's a desperate response from you. If you actually read what is said, poor communication is a issue.. which you seem to deny

3) the design to block is not a first countermeasure.

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


"I’ve found that some conversations I’ve had with others have completely disappeared. They are still on fab and neither of us had deleted any messages so there’s a flaw somewhere… "

Same here, messaging is problematic and has issues.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo

https://www.fabswingers.com/articles/FAQ#messages_missing

I've not logged on for a while and now most of my messages have been deleted / I have loads of messages in my inbox and some of the older ones have gone missing

Fab is a super busy site. Hundreds of thousands of private mails are sent every day and we have tens of millions of such messages on our system. Because we do this mostly for free, we can't keep all the messages for ever because our costs would go up and up and the site would get slower and slower. Older messages that have already been read in "dormant" accounts that haven't been logged into for a while are removed from the system. Similarly if you have loads of mails in your inbox, the system will periodically remove some of the oldest.

If some mails are important to you and you want to make sure they're not deleted, become a site supporter and save any important mails to your "saved message folder" (look for "save it" on the bottom of messages you receive) and we'll keep those mails on the system (unless we screw things up and they get deleted too; but we'll try not to!).

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
20 weeks ago

There and Here


"1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years.

People leaving and coming back is outwith the control of the site. There are options other than deleting a profile. Profiles can be hidden, indeed people can log out for however long they want but some people choose to leave and return instead. That's down to the individual.

Holding onto messages in the vain hope that one day that person might return feels a little, I dunno, desperate?

Blocking isn't a last measure for all. It's a first port of call for some. Trying to limit an individuals right to block whoever they want also feels desperate, not to mention controlling

1) there are measures that can be done.

2) you can say desperate, but that's a desperate response from you. If you actually read what is said, poor communication is a issue.. which you seem to deny

3) the design to block is not a first countermeasure. "

So what practical changes should Fab make to specifically address those three points?

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


"https://www.fabswingers.com/articles/FAQ#messages_missing

I've not logged on for a while and now most of my messages have been deleted / I have loads of messages in my inbox and some of the older ones have gone missing

Thank you I will try that. Is there any further changes to messaging? I do find it cumbersome.

Fab is a super busy site. Hundreds of thousands of private mails are sent every day and we have tens of millions of such messages on our system. Because we do this mostly for free, we can't keep all the messages for ever because our costs would go up and up and the site would get slower and slower. Older messages that have already been read in "dormant" accounts that haven't been logged into for a while are removed from the system. Similarly if you have loads of mails in your inbox, the system will periodically remove some of the oldest.

If some mails are important to you and you want to make sure they're not deleted, become a site supporter and save any important mails to your "saved message folder" (look for "save it" on the bottom of messages you receive) and we'll keep those mails on the system (unless we screw things up and they get deleted too; but we'll try not to!)."

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


"1) because many people come back to the site, another bug bear of the system and where I am happens frequently.

2) yes blocking really is a last measure of filtering people here, that highlights that the system doesn't work as such, and communication is a issue.

3) a feature more than a functioning still didn't explain why messages are not being found.

It can be very different, but I do feel this site has not changed in 20 years.

People leaving and coming back is outwith the control of the site. There are options other than deleting a profile. Profiles can be hidden, indeed people can log out for however long they want but some people choose to leave and return instead. That's down to the individual.

Holding onto messages in the vain hope that one day that person might return feels a little, I dunno, desperate?

Blocking isn't a last measure for all. It's a first port of call for some. Trying to limit an individuals right to block whoever they want also feels desperate, not to mention controlling

1) there are measures that can be done.

2) you can say desperate, but that's a desperate response from you. If you actually read what is said, poor communication is a issue.. which you seem to deny

3) the design to block is not a first countermeasure.

So what practical changes should Fab make to specifically address those three points?

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Again, you should read on what I have said on this.

2 of your questions are issues not questions.

I would say a app which is responsive would be helpful for mobile services which will notify in realtime (the website service doesn't reliably).

The website, I do think does need a redesign or is more accountable. The check on email addresses would be useful and a better way of feedback with a metric system of warning.

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate

And to prove a point, forums are useless if I can't be notified. I have to go in and constantly check. It's probably why forums isn't my biggest feature, but probably should be if it was more amenable.

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By *ucka39Man
20 weeks ago

Newcastle


"And to prove a point, forums are useless if I can't be notified. I have to go in and constantly check. It's probably why forums isn't my biggest feature, but probably should be if it was more amenable."

Hiya

Id totally disagree with you as the forums is the apple of the site given the amount of different topics and connectivity

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


"And to prove a point, forums are useless if I can't be notified. I have to go in and constantly check. It's probably why forums isn't my biggest feature, but probably should be if it was more amenable.

Hiya

Id totally disagree with you as the forums is the apple of the site given the amount of different topics and connectivity "

Glad it works for someone

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo


"And to prove a point, forums are useless if I can't be notified. I have to go in and constantly check. It's probably why forums isn't my biggest feature, but probably should be if it was more amenable."

None of this is anything to do with a mailbox

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo


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Thank you I will try that. Is there any further changes to messaging? I do find it cumbersome.

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That I am not privy to, but you don't seem to be saying what you want it to change to, the bugbears you thought you had have been answered for you.The messages can be found on a link to the left of the profile. People blocking users is not something the site can control or would want to at a guess...what is it you want to happen in the mailbox?

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate


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Thank you I will try that. Is there any further changes to messaging? I do find it cumbersome.

That I am not privy to, but you don't seem to be saying what you want it to change to, the bugbears you thought you had have been answered for you. People blocking users is not something the site can control or would want to at a guess...what is it you want to happen in the mailbox?"

There appears to be a issue on messages deleted and still being on the profile page.

Notifications are not always working.

Is there a better way for mobile users like a app?

How much storage, because it's not clear how long messages are kept for.

Blocking seems to common place and used in a negative way when people don't have their way.

I'm sure based on data the situation can be improved especially on people who leave and come back on. I can count and confirm that one user has been on and off the site at least 5 times this year. It's something I see often.

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate

Also does blocks work on forums?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo


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Thank you I will try that. Is there any further changes to messaging? I do find it cumbersome.

That I am not privy to, but you don't seem to be saying what you want it to change to, the bugbears you thought you had have been answered for you. People blocking users is not something the site can control or would want to at a guess...what is it you want to happen in the mailbox?

There appears to be a issue on messages deleted and still being on the profile page.

Notifications are not always working.

Is there a better way for mobile users like a app?

How much storage, because it's not clear how long messages are kept for.

Blocking seems to common place and used in a negative way when people don't have their way.

I'm sure based on data the situation can be improved especially on people who leave and come back on. I can count and confirm that one user has been on and off the site at least 5 times this year. It's something I see often."

They will be, because that is how it works.

Notifications worked so well for me that I had to turn them off.

I don't know the answer to that but the quoted FAQ's should give an indication of how much the site is being used for mails.

Blocking is a choice, you can't decide whether a person has a good enough reason for you or not. It is their reason and is acceptable whether you think that negative or not.

Leaving and returning is not against site rules in itself.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo


"Also does blocks work on forums?"

No

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By *earlfire OP   Man
20 weeks ago

Margate

So I just had this happen. New user called Blondewife have been messaging and now just deleted account. I will guarantee this person will come back on the site.

The mail thread is now lost, and there is no understanding or notification of that happening.

Happens all the time.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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20 weeks ago

O o O oo

That is because it is designed to do that. You won't see their messages.

OK you have had all your questions answered of how the site works including the ones that you were asking for and didn't know they were there.

This is how the site works

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