FabSwingers.com forum: Do any trans agree with me…

By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

About a week ago there was a rude, obnoxious MAN in the ‘bi’ chatroom (the discussion of the unsuitability of this as the *only* space for ALL LGBT people to congregate is for another time) literally trying to make a sub looking for a dom feel like a freak or a weirdo because of their lifestyle which didn’t align with his very blinkered views on life, I pulled him aside and told him he was being a massive c*nt. well imagine my surprise to see that this rude, ignorant cis MAN was now listed as cd/tv.

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with this completely, I think I've even been banned from the forum for voicing the opinion that Trans / Crossdressers are completely different things and should not be lumped together.

It's not ideal but I doubt very much fab will change

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By *ike_in_MiaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Yh I agree with you. Big difference between a transsexual and a gay guy wearing underwear

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By *haron StonerTV/TS
over a year ago

Haywards Heath

Everyone wears underwear, gay or not.

People who cross dress aren't gay and gays don't cross dress.

But then again, it's only in search mode that it's a grey area. As your only looking for chicks with dicks instead of dicks that dress.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely agree! When searching for trans women Im not looking to see men dressed in their wife’s underwear and it’s disrespectful to trans women to classify them under the same category!

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicester

I am not a trans woman but definitely not a hairy wife’s panty wearer - I put in a lot of effort to transform

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By *usktilDawnCouple
over a year ago

York

We have often wondered why trans people are grouped with CD/TV people here, they really are worlds apart.

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

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By *tephanie50TV/TS
over a year ago

redditch

It's very annoying when you read TV profile and the person Will put a pair of knickers on and call himself trans .. I have spent years learning how to do make up and dress feminine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just the owners of this site that have the inability to understand the difference between transwomen and transvestites; many clubs lump both together in their ignorance and treating transwomen differently to cis women. It would be great if the people involved actually did some research and learned the difference, and the equality law and GRA.

Also, the persistent use of the outdated transsexual is galling. The term implies someone who changes sexuality [maybe from hetero to gay or bi and back again]. It was always a misleading and unsatisfactory term.

The current term that is generally used, transgender, is not really much better as a Tv crosses genders when transforming. A friend of mine from many years ago used the term gender illusionist, seems more appropriate when you see some of the quite gorgeous tgirls when transformed.

Some short time ago I heard someone use the term gender incongruety syndrome to describe the condition of trans people [I postulated this term in 2001 on a Yahoo group] Gis as opposed to cis.

For transwomen to classify themselves as women on here probably would not work as it is possible that it would be rejected by the site mods when the profile verification photo was provided.

As for the classification for tv, maybe a profile photo veri of the person in full tgirl mode would help out the hpws.

Personally, I wouldn't hold much hope of the site owners updating things and joining the 21st century anytime soon.

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

Hopefully I won't be run outta town for saying. Being a pansexual Female, I like male to female transpersons, or convincing TV. I'm attactted too drag queens, even with beards and full makeup. Gay men are fair game to chat up. In a relationship, I have to have an Alpha male. Sexually love playing with bi men, and bi ladies. However hairy pant wearers do nothing for me. I find it a turn off.

Am I complicated, yes maybe. But I know who I am and what I like.

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By *uffolkClareClactonDaveCouple
over a year ago

Felixstowe/Clacton-on-Sea

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?"

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such.

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By *hantelle-La-SlutTV/TS
over a year ago

South Birmingham

Totally agree, trans women should not be the same as CD/TV.

I do not classify myself as trans at all but neither am i a panty wearer( started as one), I am a CD who love to wear women clothes and being all women(trying my best to become more and more convicing, but taking time and practice with makeup clothes etc).

for me dressing is mainly a sexual part of me that love to be the girl with men. But very much a part of me want to be more femme.

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

Not sure what I am

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such."

That's a bit unfair. Given the amount of time we have to wait to be seen to have gender dysphoria diagnosed (current waiting times just to get a referral is 4 YEARS) why should I be classified as a TV/CD? I agree I don't feel I am TS yet as I'm not on hormones, which is why I say I'm NB. I don't crossdress. I dress how I feel is correct. There's a big difference there that only the person involved can decide.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

who are these men who say they are men and cant even chop a tree down or get an erection! and the women who have hairy legs and still havent learned to put on eye makeup! and...... can we just let people be who they want to be? get rid of the bloody search engine problem solved, flick through profiles and decide who looks like someone you want to meet?

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah? "

The separation has been asked for thousands of times. However, I also don't like your insinuation that if you're not trans then we are 'men dressed in our wives dirty keks'. I put a lot of effort into what I do and its something I've done since I was a child and didn't even know what i was doing. It's not just an underwear kink for a lot of us. Most transvestites are somewhere on the trans scale without wanting to go full trans. The categories should definitely be separated, but don't shit on other crossdressers/transvestites just because they aren't the whole hog

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By *uffolkClareClactonDaveCouple
over a year ago

Felixstowe/Clacton-on-Sea

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such.

You have a fair point there. And I'm aware of the outrageous amount of time you have to wait just to be seen on the NHS.

But I was looking at it from the point of view of a person looking for playmates.

Unfortunately the website puts people with differing physical characteristics, i.e. those with a cock or a pussy, into the same category.

For people looking for others with one or the other of those, it's not always possible to tell what they've got in their pants.

That's not to say that someone wanting to identify as a woman shouldn't be allowed to, or that they shouldn't be acceted as such as they choose, but for some people it makes a world of difference when they're looking for play partners

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

This has been an issue on this site for a while and whenever this is brought up crossdressers dogpile these threads saying "it's not an issue" as if they have a say in this.

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such."

This isn't the right approach. A pre-op trans woman is not a crossdresser. Cross dresser implies someone dressing up with clothes of the opposite gender. If someone is transitioning then they have already established they are a woman (in the case of MTF). Gender isn't defined by biology.

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By *ike_in_MiaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

"It's not just the owners of this site that have the inability to understand the difference between transwomen and transvestites; many clubs lump both together in their ignorance and treating transwomen differently to cis women. It would be great if the people involved actually did some research and learned the difference, and the equality law and GRA.

Some short time ago I heard someone use the term gender incongruety syndrome to describe the condition of trans people [I postulated this term in 2001 on a Yahoo group] Gis as opposed to cis.

For transwomen to classify themselves as women on here probably would not work as it is possible that it would be rejected by the site mods when the profile verification photo was provided.

As for the classification for tv, maybe a profile photo veri of the person in full tgirl mode would help out the hpws.

Personally, I wouldn't hold much hope of the site owners updating things and joining the 21st century anytime soon."

Your the kind of person why they probably do it. All you have done is tell everyone how wrong they are for using anything they possibly can to describe said person and not actually give a solid answer to what they should use? Your one of them people who can never be happy and everyone else will always be wrong. I can see why the site doesn’t make the effort now when these are the types of attitudes their dealing with. Doesn’t seem worth making an effort for people who will never be satisfied

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

For me I feel the best compromise (and I understand it would be a compromise) would be to have 1 additional gender option of "Other". In addition to this I think the TV/TS option should be split and become 2 additional checkboxes.

So if you're a male CD, you register as a male but with the CD/TV checkbox ticked. You're predominately male but crossdress.

If you're male to female trans then you can register as a female, and click the TS checkbox.

If you're somewhere inbetween (like me!) you can choose Other.

I've seen (and used) similar approaches on other sites and it works well. Makes it easier to search for what you want and gives a better range of inclusion for the whole gender spectrum without being too granular x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, so the site owners do this out of spite?

I've been on fab on and off for years. This issue is constantly raised. People just want TS and TV (which is an outdated term anyway) seperated. It's that simple.

Fab hasn't changed in years and they won't bother changing anything because that means paying a web developer to actually do something.

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By *ike_in_MiaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Ah, so the site owners do this out of spite?

I've been on fab on and off for years. This issue is constantly raised. People just want TS and TV (which is an outdated term anyway) seperated. It's that simple.

Fab hasn't changed in years and they won't bother changing anything because that means paying a web developer to actually do something."

Outdated term? Do you not see how that’s a problem? Is male and female outdated? Do they change male and female based on individuals feelings about being called male or female? Their medical terms. We use what terms have been given medically to describe said sex. Can’t just keep changing terms cause people decide it hurts their feelings then tell everyone their using the wrong term ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This has been an issue on this site for a while and whenever this is brought up crossdressers dogpile these threads saying "it's not an issue" as if they have a say in this.

And yet you think men should have a say though?

People have the right to express their opinions thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, so the site owners do this out of spite?

I've been on fab on and off for years. This issue is constantly raised. People just want TS and TV (which is an outdated term anyway) seperated. It's that simple.

Fab hasn't changed in years and they won't bother changing anything because that means paying a web developer to actually do something.

Please highlight were I, or anyone else, has said male or female are outdated terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?"

No. Because it's not the same thing and demonstrates the very argument the OP is making. Don't lump one group in with another for the sake of convenience. If FAB have enough people requesting it then there should be a separate Trans category.

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By *ike_in_MiaCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Ah, so the site owners do this out of spite?

I've been on fab on and off for years. This issue is constantly raised. People just want TS and TV (which is an outdated term anyway) seperated. It's that simple.

Fab hasn't changed in years and they won't bother changing anything because that means paying a web developer to actually do something.

Please highlight were I, or anyone else, has said male or female are outdated terms."

Clearly you don’t understand the English language. Difference between a question and a statement….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah? "

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding "

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?"

Thank you. I’ve done just that. I’m legally female, so why would I possibly want to get put in the same category as CD / TV. Some guy just messaged me saying “ I’d love to suck your cock”. Quick delete and block. Sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully I won't be run outta town for saying. Being a pansexual Female, I like male to female transpersons, or convincing TV. I'm attactted too drag queens, even with beards and full makeup. Gay men are fair game to chat up. In a relationship, I have to have an Alpha male. Sexually love playing with bi men, and bi ladies. However hairy pant wearers do nothing for me. I find it a turn off.

Am I complicated, yes maybe. But I know who I am and what I like. "

I’m also Pansexual… but it would cause fab a meltdown to try and include this category on its list.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding "

I think this proves the previous post's point.

Why is a cross dresser telling trans women to 'stop complaining'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some short time ago I heard someone use the term gender incongruety syndrome to describe the condition of trans people [I postulated this term in 2001 on a Yahoo group] Gis as opposed to cis.

For transwomen to classify themselves as women on here probably would not work as it is possible that it would be rejected by the site mods when the profile verification photo was provided.

I have a female profile on here, because I’m legally female

As for the classification for tv, maybe a profile photo veri of the person in full tgirl mode would help out the hpws.

Personally, I wouldn't hold much hope of the site owners updating things and joining the 21st century anytime soon."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding "

Oh , a TV calling the shots. !!!!!

Let’s get the passports out. Proof of ID , mine will be different to yours.

There are certain members of society given genuine transgender people a rough ride.and bad press. Also. It is false to say that transgender people are not going down well with society. That is false, misinformation spreading.

There is a big difference in demanding things, and just wanting equality .

There’s too much crap in this forum post for Christmas. Ho Ho Ho

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

This proves my previous posts point 100%...

How is wanting to seperate Transgender and Crossdresser gaining high ground? Explain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

This proves my previous posts point 100%...

How is wanting to seperate Transgender and Crossdresser gaining high ground? Explain

They can’t explain, that’s because they love the inclusivity if bring bunched together with genuine transgender individuals.

Fab needs to sort it , but they won’t !

I’m out of that category now. Thank god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding "

Love you a toatie wee bit

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge

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By *ancelot1633Man
over a year ago

weybridge

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

I feel that having a wider range of labels my be helpful but I certainly wouldn’t proffer an opinion on what they should be. As for me:

Assigned sex at birth: Male

Legally : male

Identifies as : Male

Plays with : male female couples however they identify

Fancies : Mainly those that identify as women

This could get complicated !

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By *uffolkClareClactonDaveCouple
over a year ago

Felixstowe/Clacton-on-Sea

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such.

I agree that Gender isn't defined by biology. But as I said in my previous post in this thread, I was looking at it from the point of view of people looking for playmates with either a cock or a pussy.

I'm not denying an individual's right to self identify as their chosen gender. I'm just saying that if someone is looking for people with particular physical characteristics, the present system doesn't help them to find the people they're looking for.

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By *amantha TSWoman
over a year ago

Swindon

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such.

But taking that approach is flawed as well, as even if they have a cock or pussy doesn't mean to say they want it to be used. A lot of people with severe gender dysphoria hate the genitals they were born with, and would rather not have them touched. This is why self identity is so important here, and the importance of a good profile writeup as well as a better defined gender section.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

I feel that having a wider range of labels my be helpful but I certainly wouldn’t proffer an opinion on what they should be. As for me:

Assigned sex at birth: Male

Legally : male

Identifies as : Male

Plays with : male female couples however they identify

Fancies : Mainly those that identify as women

This could get complicated !"

Your sex at birth was observed.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

This proves my previous posts point 100%...

How is wanting to seperate Transgender and Crossdresser gaining high ground? Explain

Did you see the documentary recently, where at a trade fair they put forward 24 separate groups all needng different toilets! Lol all could be argued as valid. So who gets priority? Who is deemed more important and why is it such a big issue to share?

It's that sort of thing people get pissed off at, we can all come up with special circumstances,i am mixed race and religion and.... I want a special mixed ethic group that reflects my diversity and then I want it to also take into account....... and i have a disability!

See my point now?

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By *uffolkClareClactonDaveCouple
over a year ago

Felixstowe/Clacton-on-Sea

"Maybe Transwomen can just classify themselves as women and just mention on your profiles that you are trans if that's something you want to mention?

For me it's simple. If someone is pre op and has not yet begun the process of transitioning, they are CD's.

If they've begun their transition by taking the relevant hormone treatment but have yet to have Gender Reassignment Surgery, they are TS.

If they're post op, and have a fru fru, they're a woman and should be accepted as such.

When you look at it from the point of view of those seeking out people with particular genitalia, whether the CD/TS want it to be used or not is irrelevant.

It's whether they have it or not that can make the difference between whether there's an attraction or not.

To use a crude example, if a guy, woman or couple are seeking someone with a pussy, they might not be too pleased if the person who arrives has a cock.

That doesn't necessarily mean they have anything against anyone self identifying as female, it just means it's not what their looking for in a playmate. And the current method of categorising doesn't address that point.

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

This proves my previous posts point 100%...

How is wanting to seperate Transgender and Crossdresser gaining high ground? Explain

See my point now? "

That is a strawman argument...

Adding a trans gender is just one extra gender (or at most two if that's split into Trans Male and Trans Female).

Accomodating for trans people isn't giving them special treatment. It's giving them equality like the rest of us.

This doesn't cause any problem or uproar on any other website.

Oh, and many places have gender neutral bathrooms now.

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

When you look at it from the point of view of those seeking out people with particular genitalia, whether the CD/TS want it to be used or not is irrelevant.

It's whether they have it or not that can make the difference between whether there's an attraction or not.

To use a crude example, if a guy, woman or couple are seeking someone with a pussy, they might not be too pleased if the person who arrives has a cock.

I don't think trans men or women are out to 'trick' anyone. Most trans women's profiles I've seen state they are trans.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

This proves my previous posts point 100%...

How is wanting to seperate Transgender and Crossdresser gaining high ground? Explain

See my point now?

That is a strawman argument...

Adding a trans gender is just one extra gender (or at most two if that's split into Trans Male and Trans Female).

Accomodating for trans people isn't giving them special treatment. It's giving them equality like the rest of us.

This doesn't cause any problem or uproar on any other website.

Oh, and many places have gender neutral bathrooms now."

where did i say special treatment? Im saying lots of groups, 24 named on the documentary and that was just sexual orientation, required a separate loo, straight trans woman or gay trans women, pre op post op.... the list went on... the gender neutral toilets prove MY point, just share! and stop dividing and sub dividing... especially on here, pre computers you just looked through the contact mag and thought i like them... now people are being totally filtered out

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By *uffolkClareClactonDaveCouple
over a year ago

Felixstowe/Clacton-on-Sea

When you look at it from the point of view of those seeking out people with particular genitalia, whether the CD/TS want it to be used or not is irrelevant.

It's whether they have it or not that can make the difference between whether there's an attraction or not.

To use a crude example, if a guy, woman or couple are seeking someone with a pussy, they might not be too pleased if the person who arrives has a cock.

I don't think trans men or women are out to 'trick' anyone. Most trans women's profiles I've seen state they are trans. "

I'm not saying they're out to trick anyone. I'm saying that when someone is searching for playmates, it would be a lot easier if it was clear what their physical characteristics are.

Just to be clear, I'm bi so it wouldn't make any difference to me what someone has in their underwear. But for some it does matter.

I know from my own experience of those who've looked at our profile that their details, pics and profile text sometimes does not make it clear what they have downstairs.

I say again, it's not an issue for me, but others may not take the same view.

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

"It's very annoying when you read TV profile and the person Will put a pair of knickers on and call himself trans .. I have spent years learning how to do make up and dress feminine "

This!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"It's very annoying when you read TV profile and the person Will put a pair of knickers on and call himself trans .. I have spent years learning how to do make up and dress feminine

This! "

So non feminine females, Tom boy type, they need a separate catergory? Don't shave legs, arm pits, don't wear make up but have a pussy catergory? Muscle girl catergory? If you look at the profile you can see for yourself...

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

It's not dividing. It's differentiating between crossdressers and Trans. That's not dividing gender up into dozens of sub categories.

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By *aughtycouple10069Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

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By *angbangFantasyWoman
over a year ago

London

Isn't being a CD more of a fetish than a gender identity?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

It's not dividing. It's differentiating between crossdressers and Trans. That's not dividing gender up into dozens of sub categories.

because you are ignoring ALL the other people that might wish to have a sub category!

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By *ity_BoyMan
over a year ago

London

It's not dividing. It's differentiating between crossdressers and Trans. That's not dividing gender up into dozens of sub categories.

because you are ignoring ALL the other people that might wish to have a sub category!

Not really but nice attempt at gaslighting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

because you are ignoring ALL the other people that might wish to have a sub category!

That's quite a stretch there

Bless x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

Yeah because this:

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?"

does seem to be trying to gain the high ground. Asking for respect should include respecting others, no?

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"This has been an issue on this site for a while and whenever this is brought up crossdressers dogpile these threads saying "it's not an issue" as if they have a say in this.

Why the hell wouldn't they have a say? I am actually for separating but it's pointed out on this thread, it seems there's a spectrum, so where does one become the other? Your attitude ses to me appalling, that those that dress but are not ready or willing to go full trans are somehow not worthy of being included in the debate

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

I’ll stop ‘whining’ when a man who was the very epitome of a particularly toxic cis male doesn’t have the ability to just rock up under the same categorisation as me. This dickface was trying to ‘other’ a sub in what should be their safe space on here. And then, what, he’s my ally and part of my community within a week of being such an unequivocal c*nt is he?

No, he’s a toxic charlatan.

This is the one case that triggered me but this place is absolutely mental with its listings. If I post a video of myself and a female I have to tag it as a m/f couple or trans. So I either misgender myself or exclude the fem from the tag. I realise it was all written years ago but it’s never changed In the best part of a decade I’ve been here in one form or other.

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over a year ago

"I’ll stop ‘whining’ when a man who was the very epitome of a particularly toxic cis male doesn’t have the ability to just rock up under the same categorisation as me. This dickface was trying to ‘other’ a sub in what should be their safe space on here. And then, what, he’s my ally and part of my community within a week of being such an unequivocal c*nt is he?

No, he’s a toxic charlatan.

You see this is the same argument that so-called "terfs" have. That a cis male could rock up under the same category as... Blah blah blah. It's ok for you to make that argument but not them??

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

Honestly wish trans/transgender would QUIT THE WHINING

It's not going down at all well with majority of society

It's so self centred. Stop effing complaining & demanding

tend to agree, sick of groups of people trying to gain high ground over another group of people!

Yeah because this:

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?"

does seem to be trying to gain the high ground. Asking for respect should include respecting others, no?"

I have to hold my hands up to believing I hold the moral high ground over sketchy dude who invades subs online safe space to attempt alienating them who makes sudden switch of gender to one of my sisters. Yeah I’m morally stratospheres above the worm.

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By *aughtiness69Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

I understand your point but can't agree sorry.

What you define something as will be diffrent to what others define something as, so there is no winning. That's half the problem that makes this debate so detrimental to your cause.

Where do you draw the line?

What would a selection button do that you can't do in your bio part of the page to explain what you are looking for?

Take the gender neutral toilets, it's a minefield. I'm not old fashioned I'm just logical it's a stupid idea that will cause the LGBT community a lot of hassle latter down the line unfortunately.

Don't worry about others just be you and be happy.

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

Well all know the single male twats list themselves as anything other than single male because none of us will touch em, because they’re single male twats.

(Not all single males are twats, some of my best friends are, largely, non-twattish single males

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

"I understand your point but can't agree sorry.

What you define something as will be diffrent to what others define something as, so there is no winning. That's half the problem that makes this debate so detrimental to your cause.

Where do you draw the line?

What would a selection button do that you can't do in your bio part of the page to explain what you are looking for?

Take the gender neutral toilets, it's a minefield. I'm not old fashioned I'm just logical it's a stupid idea that will cause the LGBT community a lot of hassle latter down the line unfortunately.

Don't worry about others just be you and be happy."

But I do worry about others, hence me being concerned for a bullied sub and pulling toxic cis dude before he embarked on his no doubt road to Damascus-esque week long journey that led him to the sisterhood

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

Yes I had the gall/barefaced audacity to say damascus-esque

(And bottled it by hyphening it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sisterhood"

Do we/you get a card or something? Is there a secret handshake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, he’s a toxic charlatan.

All the usual, tedious words

Cis

Triggered

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do cross dressers feel the need to rush into topics about trans issues and brush everything aside and pretend everything is fine?

You are not trans. Your profiles clearly state you are 'TV' or cross dressing.

Time and time again Trans issues are raised on fab and yet again CDs come in and say everything is fine as it is and proclaim splitting CDs and Trans genders will cause division or some bullshit like that.

Men who every now and then wear womens clothing for sexual fantasies have no right to say trans people should "quit whining".

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do cross dressers feel the need to rush into topics about trans issues and brush everything aside and pretend everything is fine?

You are not trans. Your profiles clearly state you are 'TV' or cross dressing.

Men who every now and then wear womens clothing for sexual fantasies have no right to say trans people should "quit whining"."

The OP calls herself a CD in her own profile lol.

I would say a CD or TVs opinion carries as just as much weight as yours seeing as you're not trans either

You also seem to make it a bit more binary than it actually is in reality. Lots of people who would describe themselves as TV's dont just dress for sexual pleasure. It's quite a wide spectrum that can go from people with such severe Dysphoria they hurt themselves to people who suffer/deal with it and you would never of known.

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

So what's your actual objection to there being a delineation Chloe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what's your actual objection to there being a delineation Chloe?"

I dont really have one.

I havnt argued either way on this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what's your actual objection to there being a delineation Chloe?"

I would say it's hard to delineate though between people who maybe more than what people have claimed constitutes a TV and what they would say is Trans though. Would you not?

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

No. Noone is being asked to break new ground here. Transgender and transvestite are clearly defined, both semantically and legally in the first case. All the OP is asking is for them to be recognised as being completely diferrent by splitting the categories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. Noone is being asked to break new ground here. Transgender and transvestite are clearly defined, both semantically and legally in the first case. All the OP is asking is for them to be recognised as being completely diferrent by splitting the categories."

TV equals does it just for sexual pleasure?

Ts would equal what? What provisos would you need? Just on HRT? or having had the full surgery?

Surely if they have had the full amount of surgery then people can label themselves as women which is what some have done?

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By *hancer666Man
over a year ago

Redbourn

Cant we just erase everything, one option something like

'You are a human being, no need to tick box we take it for granted'

Surly then, just moving through the site, youll catch someones eye or they might message you first.... rest figures itself out when chatting..

Oh..and only allowed one cock pic, and next to a scale ruler

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Cant we just erase everything, one option something like

'You are a human being, no need to tick box we take it for granted'

Surly then, just moving through the site, youll catch someones eye or they might message you first.... rest figures itself out when chatting..

Oh..and only allowed one cock pic, and next to a scale ruler"

exactly what i suggested, no boxes to tick.... ive had to decide what ethnic group i want to be in coz there arent enough variations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP isnt Trans

The OP is berating "A CIS male" for changing to a TV/TS. While stating shes a CD herself.

While being pretty horrible tbh and a bit kink shaming. Bit hypocritical

Personally my issue is the use of "sisters" and "community" in the way it comes across to me. It's like we cant have our personal opinions, we dont have some sort of groupthink . I'm a person, an individual that would prefer to present as a female if I could. Keyword in that being an individual.

I'm also not helpless dont need to be segregated away in my "safe space"

Everyone of our paths are individual to ourselves and how our brains cope and deal with it. In a way that "normal" people dont generally have to deal with in the same way. Ofcourse there maybe some overlaps, but not possibly to do with your whole being. Each one of our lived experiences are different

If that makes sense lol

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

""Sisterhood"

Do we/you get a card or something? Is there a secret handshake? "

Good grief, if you can’t see if I wasn’t taking the piss with the entire ‘sisterhood’ sentence I’m not going to feel it worth dignifying anything else you say with an answer, I’m afraid, sweetie. To busy with the mental gymnastics you’re blinding yrself sweetie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Sisterhood"

Do we/you get a card or something? Is there a secret handshake?

Trust me.

I'm not the one using any mental gymnastics

Or using divisive and "hateful" language while professing to be against it

In all honesty to actually answer your original question.

No I dont give a fuck. They can label themselves whatever they want. I dont care. It doesnt effect my use or enjoyment of the site in which way. I recommend trying same.

I'm also not sure how basically a post from somone who states they are a CD, whining about somone elses behaviour turned into another pretty boring debate on splitting up the TV/TS category.

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By *w5kerri OP TV/TS
over a year ago

SIN BIN CITY

I shan’t be posting any further on this, I have various ‘thoughts’ but it’s feeling way too retro, I was positive that ‘squabbling on message boards’ was a cultural trope I’d left long behind me. I feel I do have to hold my hands up to becoming a wee bit emotional about it all though. That dickhead creep obvs rattled me.

I’ll be knowing my place in future and staying in the chat rooms (should anyone need to track me down to call me a cunt- bi directing room telling ppl not to direct me :-s )

*peace fingers*

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By *aulaxd2020TV/TS
over a year ago

dudley

I find that some trans women (not all) are very elitist and look down on us run of the mill Tv/cross dressers which I kind of find quite offensive as we often take a great deal of pride in our appearance, personally I don’t really care what people think, same with HPWs it’s upto them what they do I prefer not to judge and take each person on individual merit

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By *olly_AmberTV/TS
over a year ago

Live Sussex, Work London

I’ve said this before and got shut down. But I do agree

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By *AURA6969TV/TS
over a year ago

RUGBY

"Everyone wears underwear, gay or not.

People who cross dress aren't gay and gays don't cross dress.

But then again, it's only in search mode that it's a grey area. As your only looking for chicks with dicks instead of dicks that dress.

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This is not quite true I've seen many state they are gay and crossdress also many gay guys asking for cross dressers to play with.

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By *nA - TGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stratford

"That it’s both belittling and embarrassing that ‘man masturbating in wifey’s dirty kecks’ is literally classified as the same as us on here?

Seriously? All good with that, yeah?

This. Perfect.

How would you classify me? Am I a man in dirty keks? Let’s have some empathy for a very complicated scale. There should be a different classification for the two ends of this. But the middle ground is difficult terrain. I would never describe myself as a HPW or a CD. It’s more than that to me. TransHuman would be my self description. But that’s not an actual option. See. Tricky.

Be nice. And enjoy life.

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By *eanne VegasTV/TS
over a year ago

tameside

What's with all the labels you are who you are. Profile pics say a lot about who you really are. My rant over. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE. XXX

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Labels are important because visibility and representation are important.

And there's a world of diferrence between gender identity, and dressing and acting a perceived feminine role for pleasure. I don't see any rational reason to object to the site allowing more distinction and diversity.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

For God's, sake, how, many different groups, do you want on here. How, many times, do we need to see, this, rubbish cropping up

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"It's very annoying when you read TV profile and the person Will put a pair of knickers on and call himself trans .. I have spent years learning how to do make up and dress feminine

This! "

And, therin lies a issue for me, as its a male point of view about what is feminine. We don't all go around all the time or even some of the time in make up, heels, and dresses. This very idea of feminine is a false concept. Women come in all forms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped"

Yet you have no problem calling yourself straight?

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over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped"

I wouldn't go as far as slapping someone. I'd point out that I see it as a nonsensical term. I don't identify as "cis" so don't call me it.

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't go as far as slapping someone. I'd point out that I see it as a nonsensical term. I don't identify as "cis" so don't call me it."

What term would you like to use for not trans? With all due respect, to me it sounds a lot like back in the day when straight people wouldn't want to be referred to as straight or heterosexual and preferred "just normal"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't go as far as slapping someone. I'd point out that I see it as a nonsensical term. I don't identify as "cis" so don't call me it.

I don't think you need a specific term since the overwhelming majority of people do not identify as trans. I don't refer to myself as a hearing person on a daily basis to distinguish myself from those with a hearing loss.

There is no need to complicate things. And there's no comparison to heterosexuality, homosexuality or bisexuality since the term trans gives no indication of your sexual orientation. Heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality makes it clear that you are either attracted to the same sex, opposite sex or both sexes.

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over a year ago

"I don't think you need a specific term since the overwhelming majority of people do not identify as trans. I don't refer to myself as a hearing person on a daily basis to distinguish myself from those with a hearing loss."

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for the use of cis or trans every time you describe yourself, only when it's relevant to the situation. The same as with disabilities and sexuality (where the overwhelming majority is straight and we have a name for it).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'll go round and round the houses on this one. I think it's a nonsense term.

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over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

I wouldn't go as far as slapping someone. I'd point out that I see it as a nonsensical term. I don't identify as "cis" so don't call me it."

In principle I agree 100%, however having been involved in a few arguments where I have made it clear I don’t want the word (actually find it offensive) used to describe me, I’ve been accosted with the logic of “Why does it offend you, it’s just what you are” - and kept being referred to as such. It is at this point I would slap someone if they kept calling me it, after I have made it clear they shouldn’t.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'll go round and round the houses on this one. I think it's a nonsense term.

It is nonsense. So much so it’s not even a real word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'll go round and round the houses on this one. I think it's a nonsense term.

My take on it is that to normalise marginalised lives one of the first steps is not just to give them a non-derogatory name (tbh we are not even this far) but to acknowledge that what's outside of that marginalised group is not the only possibility, and something that is not the only possibility needs a name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is nonsense. So much so it’s not even a real word."

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/cis_1?q=cis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well put! I don’t see why they can’t be separate categories. If we can have bi curious and bisexual then surely trans and CD can be separated!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'll go round and round the houses on this one. I think it's a nonsense term.

We do have a name. The majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is nonsense. So much so it’s not even a real word.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/cis_1?q=cis"

Use it in a sentence without referring to gender, or chemistry for that matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Use it in a sentence without referring to gender, or chemistry for that matter."

How is that a test for anything, you can't do it with heterosexuality either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do have a name. The majority."

Let's get rid of every term that applies to the majority then? Fuck discriminated minorities, they are the weirdos, they need names, we are the normal ones, am I right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Use it in a sentence without referring to gender, or chemistry for that matter.

How is that a test for anything, you can't do it with heterosexuality either."

And that’s why I prefer the term straight when describing non-gay men or women

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over a year ago

"And that’s why I prefer the term straight when describing non-gay men or women

Therefore heterosexuality is not even "a real word". I see.

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over a year ago

"And that’s why I prefer the term straight when describing non-gay men or women

Therefore heterosexuality is not even "a real word". I see."

Clearly you don’t.

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By *tagandvixen200Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We’ll this is ironic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do have a name. The majority.

Let's get rid of every term that applies to the majority then? Fuck discriminated minorities, they are the weirdos, they need names, we are the normal ones, am I right?"

No. You're spitting the dummy.

I've said nothing about weirdos or insinuating people are not "normal" because they're different from me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've said nothing about weirdos or insinuating people are not "normal" because they're different from me."

Well, you are saying that they need special names but you need none, that you are the default and they are the ones that deviate. In reality these minority groups have existed for hundreds if not thousands of years and accross cultures, and they are a common experience to human existence. If they deserve a name for who they are, so do you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've said nothing about weirdos or insinuating people are not "normal" because they're different from me.

I didn't say they needed special names. I just said I think the term cis is fucking nonsense. You can call yourself what you like.

By the way,heterosexual men and women are the default. The human race kind of depends on it. And it's cool that folk can deviate if they like. I've deviated myself on occasion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't say they needed special names. I just said I think the term cis is fucking nonsense. You can call yourself what you like."

The way I see it this not so much about what we do or like at an individual level, but about how we evolve at a cultural level.

"By the way,heterosexual men and women are the default. The human race kind of depends on it."

It depends on eggs and ovules finding their way to each other in a uterus, the people to whom those gametes belong can be of any sexuality and gender (and bisexual people of opposite sex fuck and have babies too).

"And it's cool that folk can deviate if they like. I've deviated myself on occasion."

On that we agree, it is very cool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if it’s my botany or biology I’m rusty on now…

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped"

So you're trans then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

So you're trans then?"

No. Heterosexual or straight, thank you.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

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over a year ago

Absolutely 100% agree. I find trans people attractive & they are usually very in tune with their sexuality often through having been through a tough mental wrestle .

I find FTM trans men incredibly sexy but I really don’t wanna see Derek in his Asda knickers and lipstick leering at me!

It’s high time Trans people were recognised on here.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

So you're trans then?

No. Heterosexual or straight, thank you."

I was asking about your gender, not your sexuality... two different things

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

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over a year ago

"Absolutely 100% agree. I find trans people attractive & they are usually very in tune with their sexuality often through having been through a tough mental wrestle .

I find FTM trans men incredibly sexy but I really don’t wanna see Derek in his Asda knickers and lipstick leering at me!

It’s high time Trans people were recognised on here. "

How do you know Derek isn't actually Deirdre and just not a particularly attractive trans person with questionable dress sense?

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over a year ago

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?"

That anyone can identify into womanhood.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

That anyone can identify into womanhood."

Sorry you'll have to explain to me better than a sentence with no context...

How does the use of, in certain circumstances, the prefix cis when talking about someone, as opposed to prefix trans, harm me as a woman?

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over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

So you're trans then?

No. Heterosexual or straight, thank you.

I was asking about your gender, not your sexuality... two different things"

Then you should specify as such. This is a sex site. Majority of discussion going on here relates to sex and sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

That anyone can identify into womanhood.

Sorry you'll have to explain to me better than a sentence with no context...

How does the use of, in certain circumstances, the prefix cis when talking about someone, as opposed to prefix trans, harm me as a woman?"

Incredible lack of imagination if you have to ask this question IMO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

That anyone can identify into womanhood.

Sorry you'll have to explain to me better than a sentence with no context...

How does the use of, in certain circumstances, the prefix cis when talking about someone, as opposed to prefix trans, harm me as a woman?"

Not my fault if you're not smart enough to follow

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

That anyone can identify into womanhood.

Sorry you'll have to explain to me better than a sentence with no context...

How does the use of, in certain circumstances, the prefix cis when talking about someone, as opposed to prefix trans, harm me as a woman?

Not my fault if you're not smart enough to follow

I mean, I have dyslexia and autism so don't get underlying subtext which is why I specifically asked what you meant with your vague and none specific sentence.

So, you can't explain it then? So you're just arguing in bad faith... ok

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

So you're trans then?

No. Heterosexual or straight, thank you.

I was asking about your gender, not your sexuality... two different things

Then you should specify as such. This is a sex site. Majority of discussion going on here relates to sex and sexuality."

Majority yes, but this thread is specifically about separating a sexual fetish from gender... in the context of the thread, even my autistic self didn't see the need to explicitly explain that the prefix cis (in your case being a cis-male) was relating to your gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Calling me cisgender ties me to a belief system I don't share and which I see as harmful to women and girls. Ì reject the word "cis". I am a person as are trans people, and a woman.

Genuine question... what is the belief system that is harmful to women and girls?

That anyone can identify into womanhood.

Sorry you'll have to explain to me better than a sentence with no context...

How does the use of, in certain circumstances, the prefix cis when talking about someone, as opposed to prefix trans, harm me as a woman?

Not my fault if you're not smart enough to follow

I mean, I have dyslexia and autism so don't get underlying subtext which is why I specifically asked what you meant with your vague and none specific sentence.

So, you can't explain it then? So you're just arguing in bad faith... ok"

No, I just can't be arsed so will hold my hand up to being lazy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Call yourself whatever you want, but if you refer to me as cis you’ll probably get slapped

So you're trans then?

No. Heterosexual or straight, thank you.

I was asking about your gender, not your sexuality... two different things

Then you should specify as such. This is a sex site. Majority of discussion going on here relates to sex and sexuality.

Then your autistic self shouldn’t have had to even typed your original question to me, since what and how I identify is listed right next to my name on here

And in context to the subject when I joined in, you’re either showing you haven’t read all I’ve said, or are being deliberately obtuse. So which is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That anyone can identify into womanhood."

This is already the case and the world hasn't fallen. To society, I am a woman. Legally, I am a woman. To the people around me, I am a woman. Get over it.

*Your* believe system advocates that I shouldnot be able to live my life as a woman. It wants me othered from womanhood and marginalised. It results in much tighter constraints around gender, after all if you are hypervigilant for trans people you are gonna judge some gender non conforming cis people as trans, just based on their appearance. This in turn results in people (mostly men) being confrontational towards not just trans, but also gay people, butch lesbians, femme gay men. This results in hate in the streets. Physical and verbal abuse.

But you would rather look the other way. Rather keep spreading fear and hatred based on hypotheticals that only happen on extremely rare occasions. Be blind to the fact that your rethoric aligns 100% with the christian evangelical right in the US, from which UK groups take money. Ignore that you scream that we have the power and we are rewriting culture when in fact we are a tiny minority who has never had any power, never even had a single trans MP, all stats like marginalisation, abuse, economic hardship, healthcare, put at the very bottom of everything.

You are a hateful bunch, you come in with dogwhistles but I know what's behind that. You hijack a thread that has nothing to do with you, with a post that threatens violence and then put yourself as victims.

I'm out of here. Hopefully I will never interact with any of you in real life.

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By *istress-MazikeenWoman
over a year ago

bolton

"Everyone wears underwear, gay or not.

People who cross dress aren't gay and gays don't cross dress.

But then again, it's only in search mode that it's a grey area. As your only looking for chicks with dicks instead of dicks that dress.

Gave to disagree with you on this, I know a gay guy who Cross dresses and will only go with men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That anyone can identify into womanhood.

This is already the case and the world hasn't fallen. To society, I am a woman. Legally, I am a woman. To the people around me, I am a woman. Get over it.

I'm out of here. Hopefully I will never interact with any of you in real life."

You'll interact with people like me on a daily basis. Most people don't voice their opinion as they can't be bothered with the grief or have abuse hurled at them calling them a bigot or a TERF because they believe in biological sex.

I don't wish anyone harm or wish to see anyone bullied or harassed. Everyone should be able to dress how they want and present how they want. No issue with people being gender non conforming either....infact that's my bloody point. Men should be able to dress like women if they want, and women like men. It's only clothes.

But the fact remains you cannot change sex.

And it's an open forum. People can comment where they like as long as it doesn't descend into a slagging match.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"That anyone can identify into womanhood.

This is already the case and the world hasn't fallen. To society, I am a woman. Legally, I am a woman. To the people around me, I am a woman. Get over it.

I'm out of here. Hopefully I will never interact with any of you in real life."

The objection to the term cis is about being put in a subset for my sex. It's about the fact I am a woman. According to your ideology you are either cis or trans - I reject that ideology. I am a person as are you. I'm not judging trans people,

As for Evangelical Christians their views on women are not something I align with. Far from spreading fear and hatred I was giving my opinion. Women fight everday for the right to speak. Good day

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over a year ago

"You'll interact with people like me on a daily basis. Most people don't voice their opinion as they can't be bothered with the grief or have abuse hurled at them calling them a bigot or a TERF because they believe in biological sex."

Believe in biological sex? No one is saying biological sex doesn't exist. In fact, because of transition, hormones etc trans people know much more about endocrinology and their bodies than cis people. Also, sex is complicated: I don't think there are a lot of cis men with no testosterone and a high level of estrogen and progesterone in their bodies. That *does* affect your biology, at so many levels. What we are saying though is that biology is not social predestination.

" I don't wish anyone harm or wish to see anyone bullied or harassed. Everyone should be able to dress how they want and present how they want. No issue with people being gender non conforming either....infact that's my bloody point. Men should be able to dress like women if they want, and women like men. It's only clothes."

Gender is so much more than how you dress. For better of worse society is currently organised around gender, and not just with regards to how you look or dress, it's culturally much bigger than that. Would trans people prefer if things were less gendered? Certainly, we are the first ones to have a laugh at the many silly gendered things we find.

"But the fact remains you cannot change sex."

Addressed above. Sex is more than just your genitals. You can change some characteristics. I do so. It's visible and measurable.

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over a year ago

"The objection to the term cis is about being put in a subset for my sex. It's about the fact I am a woman. According to your ideology you are either cis or trans - I reject that ideology. I am a person as are you. I'm not judging trans people,"

The term "white" as in white woman also puts you in a subcategory. It doesn't make you less of a woman. Being cis doesn't make you less of a woman. The same way that being trans doesn't make me less of a woman.

"As for Evangelical Christians their views on women are not something I align with."

Well, the fact is that the evangelicals are very keen in paying UK organisations that have spreading your viewpoints as a mission.

" Far from spreading fear and hatred I was giving my opinion. Women fight everday for the right to speak. Good day "

This is far from being a women vs trans people issue. In fact most women support trans inclusion. Strangely, it is men who are the biggest supporters of trans exclusion.

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over a year ago

But the fact remains you cannot change sex.

Addressed above. Sex is more than just your genitals. You can change some characteristics. I do so. It's visible and measurable."

I thought you were out of here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And it's like this that hate extends and translates into verbal and physical abuse on the street. First that viking dude saying they will slap anyone that calls them cis. Now this dude. But hey, keep going

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over a year ago

"And it's like this that hate extends and translates into verbal and physical abuse on the street. First that viking dude saying they will slap anyone that calls them cis. Now this dude. But hey, keep going

Ignore it

Most of these people that talk like that on the internet are some of the most meek and sad people in real life

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over a year ago

As for Evangelical Christians their views on women are not something I align with.

Well, the fact is that the evangelicals are very keen in paying UK organisations that have spreading your viewpoints as a mission.

Far from spreading fear and hatred I was giving my opinion. Women fight everday for the right to speak. Good day

This is far from being a women vs trans people issue. In fact most women support trans inclusion. Strangely, it is men who are the biggest supporters of trans exclusion.

"In fact, because of transition, hormones etc trans people know much more about endocrinology and their bodies than cis people."

Really? So more than Cis Prof Robert Winston at Imperial College London. The guy who invented IVF, who recently stated on Question Time that you categorically cannot change sex?

Think I'll take my lead from big Boab Winston.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm voicing an opinion. I'd challenge anyone who was verbally abusing someone in the street because they were trans.

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over a year ago

I'm voicing an opinion. I'd challenge anyone who was verbally abusing someone in the street because they were trans. "

Yes. And they would abuse them with your ideas in their head. You are preaching hate and cleaning your hands from its consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How the fuck am I preaching hate because I disagree with you? You're talking utter dung now."

Because from your point of view, trans women should not go through society as women. And that implies they will have to be marginalised, as we have been thus far. And to marginalise someone you need to make them look as less than human, like they do with migrants, people of color, queer people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How the fuck am I preaching hate because I disagree with you? You're talking utter dung now.

Trans women are not women. Therefore they cannot go through life as women. They may present as women and feel more comfortable doing so. But they are not and never will be women.

That word is taken.

No one said you are less than human. Obviously you are human and should be afforded the same respect and safety as ever other person in the planet.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

As for Evangelical Christians their views on women are not something I align with.

Well, the fact is that the evangelicals are very keen in paying UK organisations that have spreading your viewpoints as a mission.

Far from spreading fear and hatred I was giving my opinion. Women fight everday for the right to speak. Good day

This is far from being a women vs trans people issue. In fact most women support trans inclusion. Strangely, it is men who are the biggest supporters of trans exclusion.

I do not see myself as cis, end of. I am a woman. I didn't say you are less of a woman.

My viewpoint is from a feminist perspective and from many years of being sick of patriarchy.

I don't object to inclusion, I object to being called cis, characetures of women and, being silenced for engaging in a debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest as an old school red blooded Heterosexual man, all this makes me want to vomit.

Values you share with the terrorists you boast about fighting. Must've been hard to remember which side you were on."

I respect the enemy, doesn't mean I have to like them. There's a crisis in masculinity and men are afraid to be men, not I.

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over a year ago

"To be honest as an old school red blooded Heterosexual man, all this makes me want to vomit.

See, I actually think that's a bit nasty. Each to their own and all that. But fair dos. That's your opinion."

Oh no, it's an important issue men are afraid to men but not I. There's definitely a crisis in masculinity.

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over a year ago

"To be honest as an old school red blooded Heterosexual man, all this makes me want to vomit.

See, I actually think that's a bit nasty. Each to their own and all that. But fair dos. That's your opinion.

Oh no, it's an important issue men are afraid to men but not I. There's definitely a crisis in masculinity. "

On yersel Rambo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maybe deal with your emotional intelligence next

Would you like a wet wipe... Lmao

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over a year ago

"Sombody on here is so Masculine they felt they had to send shitty PM's to people then Block them so they cant respond

Bit sad really, but the giggle was welcome

You're scaring my dog.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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Haywards Heath

Everything is in the mind of the beholder.

I understand most marginalised people they themselves are victims of their preoccupation with being marginalised, to the point where they alienate themselves from society with their hyper-marginalised over sensitivity to anyone who thoughtlessy raises an issue to which they take offence to.

The Snowflake Theory'

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