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"Going forward I'd hope lessons are learnt. Businesses that failed to support their staff. Pub chains that should have known better..... Let's socially distance ourselves from those businesses. Every pound unspent in a bad business is a pound that could be spent on swinging or set aside against the next global disaster." | |||
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"I'd say save yards money and put it towards the front line staff (NHS workers) tht have got us thru this " So you want us to stop going to clubs and put them out of business and just accost people working in hospitals and throw money at them? | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, " Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! | |||
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"I spy another go at crowd funding on the horizon!" Nah...unless it's going to fund my 'feck off to Cyprus' trip haha | |||
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"I spy another go at crowd funding on the horizon!" I think crowd funding is wrong in these circumstances | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! " Oh don't do that, I've heard fantastic things about your club and at some point I may break my habit of Chams and come up for a visit! | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! Oh don't do that, I've heard fantastic things about your club and at some point I may break my habit of Chams and come up for a visit! " you should come with me sometime. I can even come past brum and go that way... And no The Townhouse can't up and go..clubs awesome and so are the owners and staff x | |||
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"Event organisers don't have the building and business overheads, so there's no need to put your prices up! Lol" We do our events at 1 club only (QUEST) weekly, so yes I do need to let people who attend regularly on our guestlists know that the prices won’t be going up, because obviously if we put our prices up it will affect the club as we bring customers to the club and also it reassures our regulars that no prices will be changed, also we may not have the overheads of a club but we do have our own family & household overheads so it also affects us as event management/organisers as we get a wage | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! Oh don't do that, I've heard fantastic things about your club and at some point I may break my habit of Chams and come up for a visit! you should come with me sometime. I can even come past brum and go that way... And no The Townhouse can't up and go..clubs awesome and so are the owners and staff x " I'll hold you to that | |||
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"Event organisers don't have the building and business overheads, so there's no need to put your prices up! Lol We do our events at 1 club only (QUEST) weekly, so yes I do need to let people who attend regularly on our guestlists know that the prices won’t be going up, because obviously if we put our prices up it will affect the club as we bring customers to the club and also it reassures our regulars that no prices will be changed, also we may not have the overheads of a club but we do have our own family & household overheads so it also affects us as event management/organisers as we get a wage " Excellent news! Hopefully those earnings will be declared to HMRC too xx Best of luck going forward | |||
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"Going forward I'd hope lessons are learnt. Businesses that failed to support their staff. Pub chains that should have known better..... Let's socially distance ourselves from those businesses. Every pound unspent in a bad business is a pound that could be spent on swinging or set aside against the next global disaster." Completely agree with that | |||
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"I suspect that any club trying to recoup losses by upping their prices could actually face going out of business, especially if they hike prices for single men, who are already exploited by such places. Yes, I understand that clubs charge women less, or even nothing at all, to encourage more to come along, but clubs will need to thnk smart when they can reopen" This! | |||
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"I suspect that any club trying to recoup losses by upping their prices could actually face going out of business, especially if they hike prices for single men, who are already exploited by such places. Yes, I understand that clubs charge women less, or even nothing at all, to encourage more to come along, but clubs will need to thnk smart when they can reopen This! " I hate to say it, because I really don't want any club to have to close permanently, but if prices go up I will definitely go less often. One or two places I regularly go to were/are at the limit of what I consider value for money as it was, let alone paying more. If all prices everywhere will be going up, as had been suggested earlier in this post, I'm afraid that will make trips/visits to clubs even more of a luxury. I would happily re-join clubs, paying the annual etc. membership fee to help, but it's the entry fee that's the killer. | |||
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"ALL businesses are going to increase their prices as rates are going to go up, VAT will go up, income tax will go up, wholesale prices will go up...everything is going to go up!!! Don't think for a minute that this unprecedented national debt won't affect all of us in some way, because it will! " Definitely this | |||
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"Can I just say that I feel for all the club owners up and down the country and can’t begin to understand your state of minds at this time, Speaking for ourselves, we aren’t regulars at our favourite club and wouldn’t mind an increase in entrance fee because it’s a luxury evening for us and we don’t do it as often as we would like so we totally get and welcome increase and would be fine with it. However I think the clubs will have to have a look at looking after their regulars with a loyalty scheme or something along those lines, it’s regular custom that keeps any business going.. especially on the road we we are going down x" I think that's an excellent idea. | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! " Please don't! Townhouse is the best club in the world that offers something for everyone! We'd miss you immensely. | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! " | |||
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"Can I just say that I feel for all the club owners up and down the country and can’t begin to understand your state of minds at this time, Speaking for ourselves, we aren’t regulars at our favourite club and wouldn’t mind an increase in entrance fee because it’s a luxury evening for us and we don’t do it as often as we would like so we totally get and welcome increase and would be fine with it. However I think the clubs will have to have a look at looking after their regulars with a loyalty scheme or something along those lines, it’s regular custom that keeps any business going.. especially on the road we we are going down x" We've always ran a loyalty card scheme and it works brilliantly! | |||
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"Some pubs, clubs and restaurants will not re-open. It’s a fact. If everything has to “ go up” in price then people on limited income will prioritise, either put food on your child’s table or go to a club. New smaller clubs will open, people may have more house parties life will go on, slightly differently and we all have to accept it. " | |||
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"When this is all over, we would glady pay a bit extra to get in if it goes some way to helping clubs recover. It could be optional, maybe £5 (£10 if you're flush!). It may not be popular with single guys as they pay more anyway. But many Swingers are in their 40's and 50's and not short of money anymore. Who's happy to dip into their pockets WHEN we get back clubbing?" It's a great sentiment and we would (with some reservations) support it. We know some smaller clubs that will really struggle to stay open and if they do manage to we will be at the front of the queue. However we know of some larger ones in Germany and other parts of Europe that have made very big money over the years and they should be able to look after themselves. In the UK clubs are much smaller when compared to some of the European super clubs and will need all the support they can get. As for price increases, that could work both ways. While I think there will be a lot of pent up demand when this is over. There will still be fear as well, and many will be too frightened to get so close to others. | |||
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"Non club goers will always slate them, they don't get the social side, the connections, friends etc. Top of our agenda and always will be supportive xx" | |||
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"When this is all over, we would glady pay a bit extra to get in if it goes some way to helping clubs recover. It could be optional, maybe £5 (£10 if you're flush!). It may not be popular with single guys as they pay more anyway. But many Swingers are in their 40's and 50's and not short of money anymore. Who's happy to dip into their pockets WHEN we get back clubbing?" really. A lot of us are on closedown and or reduced hours, and yes I am in my 50,s and no I don't have plenty of money. Stupid generalising statement. | |||
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"If a large club was to survive this, surely they would lower the entry price to attract lots more customers. During the recession after all this i think many many people will find they have a lot less in thier pockets to spend on nights out." This The way we look at this is our members have supported us in the good times we now have a chance to give back because everyone will find it hard at the end of all this and will need something to pick them up and give them a smile We love to give before we take never kick someone when they are down hold your hand out and help them up kindness is the way forward always stay safe guys xx | |||
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"No bleating here, thinks of others. not ME ME ME ME ME" Yes | |||
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"Going forward I'd hope lessons are learnt. Businesses that failed to support their staff. Pub chains that should have known better..... Let's socially distance ourselves from those businesses. Every pound unspent in a bad business is a pound that could be spent on swinging or set aside against the next global disaster." Well said | |||
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"How much money will we have saved by not commuting/driving so much?" Will give the ozone layer a bit of a breather | |||
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"Non club goers will always slate them, they don't get the social side, the connections, friends etc. Top of our agenda and always will be supportive xx" | |||
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"Would be happy to say pay a full membership again (for the right club) as they are going to need our help if we ever get through this and want our places of fun back." | |||
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"When this is all over, we would glady pay a bit extra to get in if it goes some way to helping clubs recover. It could be optional, maybe £5 (£10 if you're flush!). It may not be popular with single guys as they pay more anyway. But many Swingers are in their 40's and 50's and not short of money anymore. Who's happy to dip into their pockets WHEN we get back clubbing?" In theory. As a student with no income, I'd rather dip into your pockets | |||
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"If a single male pays £75 per year membership, £20 entrance fee and visits once a month. would that work out @ about 85 pence per day per year ? sounds good value to me. And a club with 1,000 members gets £1500 a week to reinvest. happy days for all." Out of interest in your view of the world what should couples and single ladies pay ? | |||
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"On the one hand I do agree that things will be hard and clubs will need to make their money back to survive. On the other, as a single guy it already costs me £20-25 entrance, which is about as much as I can really justify for a night out. I would have to start thinking long and hard if that were to reach £30+ though, and would likely go less often." You'd spend more going out for a meal or to the cinema or out drinking. | |||
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"On the one hand I do agree that things will be hard and clubs will need to make their money back to survive. On the other, as a single guy it already costs me £20-25 entrance, which is about as much as I can really justify for a night out. I would have to start thinking long and hard if that were to reach £30+ though, and would likely go less often. You'd spend more going out for a meal or to the cinema or out drinking. " Just the Sunday Lunch in the restaurant opposite us is £39 a head. | |||
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"On the one hand I do agree that things will be hard and clubs will need to make their money back to survive. On the other, as a single guy it already costs me £20-25 entrance, which is about as much as I can really justify for a night out. I would have to start thinking long and hard if that were to reach £30+ though, and would likely go less often. You'd spend more going out for a meal or to the cinema or out drinking. " By the time you add in booze taxis fags accommodation it is quite a lot more than a normal night out I think....the point I think is the disparity between charges, single guys versus single ladies and couples... The logic of all this is nonsense I think , do people think your local kebab shop or pub or supermarket is going to start asking to charge more to recover lost revenues due to this crisis....no way...what there will need to be in the future is higher taxes to fund the govt support programme which is fair enough as we will all contribute evenly according to our means. | |||
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"On the one hand I do agree that things will be hard and clubs will need to make their money back to survive. On the other, as a single guy it already costs me £20-25 entrance, which is about as much as I can really justify for a night out. I would have to start thinking long and hard if that were to reach £30+ though, and would likely go less often. You'd spend more going out for a meal or to the cinema or out drinking. " You might do but I fear not many people will be doing that either. When your income takes a hit luxury items like going out are the first things that take a hit. Whether or not a club increases it's prices is moot point when there will be less people going out across the across the board. So sadly many clubs will most probably close apart from the smart ones, who are able to attract the people in as well as develop other revenue streams other than entry prices. | |||
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"I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here." Because what you offer *is* top notch, and despite what some people say, you have a lot of members who really do appreciate what you do and the facilities you offer. I know many of us won't mind paying more after this just to have our townhouse community back in action. Your pricing was more than reasonable before and it will be after, I'm sure. It'll just reflect the changing economy and I think most people know that's inevitable. | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males" Yes, but if the couples and singles didn’t turn up, your entertainment would be a bit a bit lacking wouldn’t it. The club would also be less attractive to some clients and get less trade. Its like turning up to a picnic and not bringing any food or drink yourself, then saying those that do bring supplies should be paying the same price. So just count yourself lucky that couples do turn up and let you have a play now and again. | |||
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"The reality is that swingers clubs have been charging low fees for a long time now and it’s about time they charged realistic money The average cost for a couple is cheaper than A hotel room 2 cinema tickets A meal out for 2 2 packets of fags and a bottle of plonk Entrance to a nightclub A pair of jeans A 10 mile taxi ride So suck it up, prices will go up, why not lay off the fags or feeling the necessity to drink lots of alcohol on a club visit, why not drive instead of a taxi? Those of you claiming it’s an expensive night out only make it so by the added expense YOU add." It's a cheap night out for a couple/ single lady especially if you drink and the club is a byo.... | |||
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"ALL businesses are going to increase their prices as rates are going to go up, VAT will go up, income tax will go up, wholesale prices will go up...everything is going to go up!!! Don't think for a minute that this unprecedented national debt won't affect all of us in some way, because it will! " People will make their own financial/social decisions and cut their cloth accordingly. Market forces and the economic climate will be very changed come the end of the crisis and it will take a long time for everything to settle down. It will be a big storm to weather for everyone and there will be casualties, no doubt. Another big factor for some will be the less relaxed attitude to meeting in numbers, especially in such intimate environments. The full horror of what’s currently occurring is yet to develop as its early days still, so it will be a very interesting decade in many respects. A lot of human behaviour may be changed for the long term. Fortunately for clubs etc, the overriding urge for the thrill of novelty sex, especially amongst those who have already sampled it will still be a major factor and many will still avail themselves of it regardless of prices. | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males Yes, but if the couples and singles didn’t turn up, your entertainment would be a bit a bit lacking wouldn’t it. The club would also be less attractive to some clients and get less trade. Its like turning up to a picnic and not bringing any food or drink yourself, then saying those that do bring supplies should be paying the same price. So just count yourself lucky that couples do turn up and let you have a play now and again. " Lolled at the turning up for a picnic allegory. And someone said 39 quid a head for Sunday lunch, near Nottingham? Blimey | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! " There are some ridiculous comments on here! All the proper clubs like yours pay taxes, and are just like any other business, trying to give their customers a good product. Club goers like ourselves are grateful that somebody puts the effort in, invests money and hopefully makes a good living out of providing us with somewhere to go. Keep up the good work! | |||
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" Another big factor for some will be the less relaxed attitude to meeting in numbers, especially in such intimate environments. The full horror of what’s currently occurring is yet to develop as its early days still, so it will be a very interesting decade in many respects. A lot of human behaviour may be changed for the long term. Fortunately for clubs etc, the overriding urge for the thrill of novelty sex, especially amongst those who have already sampled it will still be a major factor and many will still avail themselves of it regardless of prices. " Anybody remember HIV / AIDs, gonorrhoea, syphilis, herpes ? All of which are still with us. And a month ago the clubs were still attracting visitors despite the above diseases. I'd suggest that a vaccine will become available later this year which will see off CV_19. And once that happens people will largely forget the problem. It's human nature. Then the clubs will be back to normal, with only HIV / AIDs, gonorrhoea, syphilis, herpes to worry about ! | |||
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"well put the prices up then AND FIND OUT !!!! EMPTY CLUBS NO BRAINER " OR Start your own club, price it how you like and see how long it lasts. | |||
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"we support the clubs here & abroad BUT WON'T BE RIPPED OFF !!! LOOK AT THE GATSBY FORUM IN GRAN CANARIA THEY ARE FINDING OUT ASWELL PEOPLE'S OPINIONS !!!!" If when clubs re-open you think you are being ripped off by their entrance charges you have only two options; 1, stop going to clubs. 2, start your own club with a pricing structure which suits you. Ranting at clubs to impose your vision of how their entrance fee should be will NOT influence them one jot. They have a fine line to walk which involves earning enough money to support the club and pay all bills and improvements AND catering for the wishes of their clientele, which may well involve limiting the number of single guys. Limiting can be done by selection or price. | |||
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"If single guys are already paying £40 then the price increase should only affect everyone else whose paying less. Money will be tight for everyone and paying more than £40 will be unfair for single guys. Not all single guys go into a club with the mind to play ,some of us go for the social side as well as to meet up with friends but still pay the £40 " . In London we have two clubs which are members only clubs where you have to apply for membership and be accepted.I am a member of one of these club which on a Friday night costs as a single guy costs me £50 entrance fee I believe the other club is £70 for a single guy.I have always have a good night out as my attitude is to go and have a good time and anything else is a bonus. I hope prices don’t go up but if they do then I guess we all have a choice make.Can I afford the price increase if yes then you continue going If no then you stop going or go less. | |||
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"Will there always be a demand for clubs? Yes of course there will be. Will all clubs survive this? No they won't. Should the survivors put up entry fees to cover there losses? Maybe but they should be very careful about it as this whole mess is effecting almost everyone and a price rise may not go down well. It's does us good to remember that we aren't all called Branson and we live to a budget and socializing is part of that budget. I've heard it said many times and have said it myself that a night out at a club is cheap when compared with going out to the pub or a nightclub. This isn't exactly true unless you live very close to a club and now that some clubs have alcohol licensing that put the cost up even more. Then add the possibility of a hotel room, plus the fuel to get there in the in the first place then maybe a taxi from the hotel to the club and back again, not to mention clothes, cigarette's etc. When you take all this in to account you could be looking at anywhere from £100 up to £200 if not more for a night out, which is great if you do it once or twice a year but frequency of attendance like that won't keep a club going. Clubs need regular attendance they need you through the doors twice a month if not more and the only way to do that is to make the door fee acceptable because, hotel rooms aside, that's the biggest slice of the pie and more importantly it's the thing we look at and remember most. Proof of this are the complaints that are leveled at some clubs when they hike up door prices for certain nights such as £50 per couple on a normal Saturday suddenly become £100 if not more on New year's eve. Maybe the club is laying on extras, which are a nice touch, but 100% extra I think not. ………………………………. " This is very true. If it wasn`t for my other interest club paying for me to attend meetings, I doubt if I could afford to go to Chameleons as much as I`m able to! It`s 150+ miles each way, plus the hotel and food otherwise! | |||
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"If a large club was to survive this, surely they would lower the entry price to attract lots more customers. During the recession after all this i think many many people will find they have a lot less in thier pockets to spend on nights out. This The way we look at this is our members have supported us in the good times we now have a chance to give back because everyone will find it hard at the end of all this and will need something to pick them up and give them a smile We love to give before we take never kick someone when they are down hold your hand out and help them up kindness is the way forward always stay safe guys xx" | |||
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"The logic of all this is nonsense I think , do people think your local kebab shop or pub or supermarket is going to start asking to charge more to recover lost revenues due to this crisis....no way...what there will need to be in the future is higher taxes to fund the govt support programme which is fair enough as we will all contribute evenly according to our means. " You’re missing the point. It’s not about recouping losses. Your local kebab shop and pub will put prices up because there will be a recession the other end of this. Taxes will increase, insurances will increase, transport costs will go up ... add into that the effects of Brexit, whenever that happens, and this country is in for a long period of economic difficulty. Costs will go up for a lot of things. Clubs, like all businesses, will need to adjust to that | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males" No one picked this up. Anything to help out single guys who keep clubs going has to be applauded. | |||
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"Didn’t realise the club owners lived hand to mouth! Must be difficult running such failing businesses Ahh well the perks must make it worth the while " Having read some posts recently I wonder if some clubs should apply for Charitable Status. No decent person wants to see any business fail, but it will be the most astutely ran businesses that survive. As they say, there’s no sentiment in business. | |||
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"The logic of all this is nonsense I think , do people think your local kebab shop or pub or supermarket is going to start asking to charge more to recover lost revenues due to this crisis....no way...what there will need to be in the future is higher taxes to fund the govt support programme which is fair enough as we will all contribute evenly according to our means. You’re missing the point. It’s not about recouping losses. Your local kebab shop and pub will put prices up because there will be a recession the other end of this. Taxes will increase, insurances will increase, transport costs will go up ... add into that the effects of Brexit, whenever that happens, and this country is in for a long period of economic difficulty. Costs will go up for a lot of things. Clubs, like all businesses, will need to adjust to that" Maybe not for you but for some it most certainly is about the money and only the money. That's the world for you some people care and some don't. | |||
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"If people get out and support the clubs once we're "set free" then they will soon be back on an even keep." Can't wait, missing the social side so much not to mention the benefits xx | |||
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"The logic of all this is nonsense I think , do people think your local kebab shop or pub or supermarket is going to start asking to charge more to recover lost revenues due to this crisis....no way...what there will need to be in the future is higher taxes to fund the govt support programme which is fair enough as we will all contribute evenly according to our means. You’re missing the point. It’s not about recouping losses. Your local kebab shop and pub will put prices up because there will be a recession the other end of this. Taxes will increase, insurances will increase, transport costs will go up ... add into that the effects of Brexit, whenever that happens, and this country is in for a long period of economic difficulty. Costs will go up for a lot of things. Clubs, like all businesses, will need to adjust to that Maybe not for you but for some it most certainly is about the money and only the money. That's the world for you some people care and some don't. Don't know what clubs you've been The answer is quite a few." Suggest choose more selectively | |||
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"I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. Because what you offer *is* top notch, and despite what some people say, you have a lot of members who really do appreciate what you do and the facilities you offer. I know many of us won't mind paying more after this just to have our townhouse community back in action. Your pricing was more than reasonable before and it will be after, I'm sure. It'll just reflect the changing economy and I think most people know that's inevitable." This!!!! Many many people are missing all that is Townhouse and all it gives in each individual way... | |||
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"It’s the people that go to the clubs regularly that make a club what it is, people will go back to clubs if the clubs survive the shutdown. All the people that say clubs are greedy have no idea of what the profit margins are like and how tight it is that they actually stay open. Give the clubs a break and show them support!" Are you really saying that all clubs operate from the same position. | |||
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"It’s the people that go to the clubs regularly that make a club what it is, people will go back to clubs if the clubs survive the shutdown. All the people that say clubs are greedy have no idea of what the profit margins are like and how tight it is that they actually stay open. Give the clubs a break and show them support! Are you really saying that all clubs operate from the same position. " Of course they are not all the same, but running a club is not easy with all the licensing issues and hostility from councils. Anybody who thinks it’s easy money needs to think again. | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males" This won’t happen - if it did it would just turn into a sausage fest They could charge men less but then half the number of men they allow in. Or put a size benefit. The bigger their penis the less they pay That way there’s more quality and all together more fair | |||
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"This thread made really interesting reading for me. Some very divided opinions and I maybe wrong but think most are not what the OP was getting at? I took the OP to be suggesting that they made a donation above the entry fee not paid an increased door fee? " Exactly! Well done Hanky for pointing out the OP’s suggestion; those who support their favourite club could choose to make a charitable donation above the usual entry fee And..............go! | |||
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"As a regulars at club sx over the last couple of years we would happily pay membership as which they don't charge at moment also many times we pay as a couple when trans and women are free We don't mind this as we want the scene to survive working in hospitality industry we have seen how hard this is hitting people not just owners staff etc We just hope all clubs survive and we can all party on the other side" Big kisses xx | |||
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"This thread made really interesting reading for me. Some very divided opinions and I maybe wrong but think most are not what the OP was getting at? I took the OP to be suggesting that they made a donation above the entry fee not paid an increased door fee? Exactly! Well done Hanky for pointing out the OP’s suggestion; those who support their favourite club could choose to make a charitable donation above the usual entry fee And..............go! " | |||
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"It’s the people that go to the clubs regularly that make a club what it is, people will go back to clubs if the clubs survive the shutdown. All the people that say clubs are greedy have no idea of what the profit margins are like and how tight it is that they actually stay open. Give the clubs a break and show them support! Are you really saying that all clubs operate from the same position. Of course they are not all the same, but running a club is not easy with all the licensing issues and hostility from councils. Anybody who thinks it’s easy money needs to think again." So why bother? Why on God’s earth even run a business that doesn’t turn out a decent profit? Who in their right mind slaves away, grafting, working their nuts off for next to nothing, for the benefit of what? To pay taxes ( which some of us do at 40% and more ) or pay hefty business rates or public liability insurance. It’s draining to read some of these some club statuses say how “ choca, full, fully booked” the clubs are but then come the virus the same clubs crying “ don’t know why we bother, etc” when times are tough. Get a grip, you make a living but if you didn’t plan for a rainy day well who is to blame? There’s more to running a club than cleaning out the hot tub, stocking the bar and disinfecting the sofas. Those who run a club as a proper business rather that a drop in centre for “mates” will survive. Too many SMEs fail for the same reason, they are run because of passion, as a hobby, as “ something to do” by people with very little business acumen. And as for those who need a club to “ socialise”, well there are alternatives. The best run clubs will survive. Those who have not been run as a proper business. Will sadly, not. And for those who depend on them, I feel sorry. | |||
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"It’s the people that go to the clubs regularly that make a club what it is, people will go back to clubs if the clubs survive the shutdown. All the people that say clubs are greedy have no idea of what the profit margins are like and how tight it is that they actually stay open. Give the clubs a break and show them support! Are you really saying that all clubs operate from the same position. Of course they are not all the same, but running a club is not easy with all the licensing issues and hostility from councils. Anybody who thinks it’s easy money needs to think again." its easier when you take in to consideration the cash element...... | |||
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"Going forward folks, don't expect ANYTHING to cost you the same!!! This crisis will impact everything going forward and all businesses will need to recoup their losses!! " It’s a buyer’s market - I think it distasteful to talk about recouping losses when thousands will be out of work completely when this is over. Any business worth it’s salt will have worked in contingency funds to its business model whilst we the tax payers are paying 80% of your staffs wages for the foreseeable future. | |||
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"Going forward folks, don't expect ANYTHING to cost you the same!!! This crisis will impact everything going forward and all businesses will need to recoup their losses!! It’s a buyer’s market - I think it distasteful to talk about recouping losses when thousands will be out of work completely when this is over. Any business worth it’s salt will have worked in contingency funds to its business model whilst we the tax payers are paying 80% of your staffs wages for the foreseeable future. " If they are a small business with no employees then that doesn't apply. Also not every small business has received details of when and how they are actually going to get the promised assistance. | |||
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"Therefore a lot of clubs alas will be lost as single guys will not pay more than £40 for a night with no guarantee of even a touch I don't like to pay more than ladies or couples either as we are all looking for the same thing." Single guy shouldn't be guaranteed as you crudely put it "a touch" regardless wether they pay £4 £40 or £400. Its attitudes and expectations like that which gives some single guys a bad reputation. | |||
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"When this is all over, we would glady pay a bit extra to get in if it goes some way to helping clubs recover. It could be optional, maybe £5 (£10 if you're flush!). It may not be popular with single guys as they pay more anyway. But many Swingers are in their 40's and 50's and not short of money anymore. Who's happy to dip into their pockets WHEN we get back clubbing?" No. If they hike up prices especially for guys. Yeah the simps will pay but I can see many just fucking it off especially us 20-mid 30s single guys. I'd just go back to vanilla clubs, dating/hook up apps more and meeting birds in the street. | |||
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"*close *" Ok close. What I would subject would be a tip jar. Remember most people have been forced out of work by the state and when things come back to normality. Possible club price hikes from any club may leave a sour taste and let's be honest most clubs will raise the cost for guys. All you clubs don't have the balls to equalise the price for female to male prices. So a tip jar is better. Give people the option. | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! " I Cannot praise Townhouse highly enough. This is the Best club, with a great philosophy and dedicated owners. Stay positive and I trust the appreciative Pennys and Bobs will roll in to support you ( all denominations welcomed). | |||
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"O think we should equalise the entrance fee. One price for all. Since many on here say they would be happy to pay more, so would if we all shared the same burden. Say £30 entrance fee for women, couples and men. Whose in favour besides there shouldn't be a gendered difference in entrance pay anyway. We're allswingers" It's all so easy to have a club where everyone pays same entrance fee. OPEN ONE YOURSELF !! Let us know how you get on. | |||
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"O think we should equalise the entrance fee. One price for all. Since many on here say they would be happy to pay more, so would if we all shared the same burden. Say £30 entrance fee for women, couples and men. Whose in favour besides there shouldn't be a gendered difference in entrance pay anyway. We're allswingers" That's fine. But you'll either see a queue of single guys waiting to get in as there will be too many. You might be a part of that queue and it'll be a toss up if you get in or not Or you'll see fewer single ladies and couples going who are bored of the walking dead spoiling it for the single guy demographic. Supply and demand. There's a hundred other guys who will pay the cost whatever it is for every one who doesn't. | |||
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"O think we should equalise the entrance fee. One price for all. Since many on here say they would be happy to pay more, so would if we all shared the same burden. Say £30 entrance fee for women, couples and men. Whose in favour besides there shouldn't be a gendered difference in entrance pay anyway. We're allswingers That's fine. But you'll either see a queue of single guys waiting to get in as there will be too many. You might be a part of that queue and it'll be a toss up if you get in or not Or you'll see fewer single ladies and couples going who are bored of the walking dead spoiling it for the single guy demographic. Supply and demand. There's a hundred other guys who will pay the cost whatever it is for every one who doesn't." I've never seen more than one or two single ladies in any of the clubs I've visited, but probably I've been going to the wrong clubs..... Great news for the clubs on the whole that there are hundreds of single guys willing to pay whatever the cost to attend though, bodes well for a bright future | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males Yes, but if the couples and singles didn’t turn up, your entertainment would be a bit a bit lacking wouldn’t it. The club would also be less attractive to some clients and get less trade. Its like turning up to a picnic and not bringing any food or drink yourself, then saying those that do bring supplies should be paying the same price. So just count yourself lucky that couples do turn up and let you have a play now and again. " An interesting analogy. However as everyone knows, no means no. So what about all those single guys that paid the extra that night and didn't get a sandwich from the buffet you brought. | |||
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"Maybe the price increases should be passed on to couples and females as couples get in for same price as a single guy so I think they should pay more now after all we are there for the same thing regardless of being single males Yes, but if the couples and singles didn’t turn up, your entertainment would be a bit a bit lacking wouldn’t it. The club would also be less attractive to some clients and get less trade. Its like turning up to a picnic and not bringing any food or drink yourself, then saying those that do bring supplies should be paying the same price. So just count yourself lucky that couples do turn up and let you have a play now and again. An interesting analogy. However as everyone knows, no means no. So what about all those single guys that paid the extra that night and didn't get a sandwich from the buffet you brought. " So your saying single guys pay to go to a club and as they pay more they are entitled to get something ??? We thought the entry price for a club was to use their facilities, the sexual encounter was something that you had to work at by talking to people and building up friendships . We find it strange that single guys complain about paying the price to get into club, and complain that couples and single ladies pay less, but we never hear them complain about public travel prices that OAP’s or Children pay less for exactly the same seat ???? | |||
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" So your saying single guys pay to go to a club and as they pay more they are entitled to get something ??? We thought the entry price for a club was to use their facilities, the sexual encounter was something that you had to work at by talking to people and building up friendships . We find it strange that single guys complain about paying the price to get into club, and complain that couples and single ladies pay less, but we never hear them complain about public travel prices that OAP’s or Children pay less for exactly the same seat ???? " Not at all, My reply was to the couple who posted supporting single guys paying more. They were the ones comparing it to going to a picnic, and eating someone else' sandwiches because you hadn't brought your own. If as you point out you only pay to use the facilities, by that reckoni_g couples should pay more and single men or women pay the same. I was pointing out that a lot of single guys pay the extra but often don't get to play. I wasn't suggesting they should get play as it is all down to choice. But lets look at the travel analogy you post. Can you imagine the uproar if the train companies started saying eg single guys and couples pay £10 for the fare. However single females must pay £20! | |||
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"Why pay more! Just like any other business out their in this difficult time they have to obey the rules and stick to it, they make enough profit as it is with out declaring what they actualy earn, i worked in clubs and know the truth no club tells tax payers what they charge and what theyve earned, Not all clubs babe. Some of us reinvest, pay VAT, line the taxmans pocket and take a low wage because we do it for more than the money. Reading a lot of comments on here over the last couple of weeks, I think I'll just give up now, closw the club and feck off somewhere warm when the flight ban lifts. I really don't know why we bother re-investing and offering a top notch club after reading some stuff on here. I could say more but I'll get booted off the forum and we can't have that now can we?! . Don’t make me come over there lady as if we are all going to let you bugger off and leave us fending for ourselves, imagine the carnage you’ll be back, and we and all your dedicated followers of passion and friendship and down right filth will be right by your side doing whatever it takes to keep you going as for the negative keyboard warriors well let them vote with their feet, chances are they’ve never been and had no intention of, no loss now where did you say you keep your passport Mrs blue eyes Please note: it may seem that I have taken a while to reply to this post, but I’ve been a tad busy, I’m just having a wee break and nosey on fab before I’m back to it " hahaha...well I can't have you leaving the front line to tell me off!! Thanks for your support guys, it means a lot xx Now, you go an be marvellous and help your colleagues kick the ass of Coronavirus xxxxx | |||
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