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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

I don't think it will last a couple of years.

Either herd immunity or a developed vaccine will sort it before the end of the year I think.

Hopefully the good clubs will ride it out. Don't care about the bad clubs not re-opening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or a better question is how many clubs will survive the enforced closure xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? "

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

Wouldn't have thought so.

The majority of people would have contracted and hopefully recovered from the virus over the next 6 months or so which would probably lead to a easing of restrictions.

On the otherhand I have no proof to back up my assertion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it will last a couple of years.

Either herd immunity or a developed vaccine will sort it before the end of the year I think.

Hopefully the good clubs will ride it out. Don't care about the bad clubs not re-opening."

The chances of a vaccine being scaled up and widely available is around a year away if not 18 months.

Fingers crossed they people working on it get it sorted as quick as possible.

I think we are going to have to accept social distancing for a good 6 months or so.

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By *OXO2018Couple
over a year ago

Norfolk

We hope not, clubs are our only chance to play.

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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

Well very few restrictions have actually been lifted in Wuhan and 95% of the population did nit contract the disease 1st time so surely another wave is coming and isn't that how it's gonna go here - in waves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? "
yes the clubs won't survive the shutdown looks like private rail companies are going under too so thats travel and sex out the window

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well very few restrictions have actually been lifted in Wuhan and 95% of the population did nit contract the disease 1st time so surely another wave is coming and isn't that how it's gonna go here - in waves? "

China locked down completely as did Japan and Korea, virologists an scientists have maintained that this is not the best way to solve the crisis, because as and when the lockdown is lifted the virus will rear it's ugly head and they'll have a massive spike. The more gradually you bring in control measures the better chance you have of eradicating and controlling it, people will still get it but you are less likely to have the spikes and the pressure on the medical services is drip fed... Hope everyone is staying safe...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like all businesses, if they are a sound business they will probably survive if they were treading water and just surviving then they won't unfortunately, its a shame but some clubs will go .

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By *ot Wife BeckyCouple
over a year ago

Near Torrox, Spain


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Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

"

Surely no one actually believes that, do they..?

A country of nearly 1.5 billion where health and safety is almost non existent and where it probably originated.

A country that is paranoid about how it is viewed by the rest of the world.

Let's not get carried away....

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

We really don't think it will be the end of clubs altogether but I fear it will be the end for many.

We know of quite a few good clubs who were just financially treading water, but that doesn't make them bad clubs.

Our swinger life is 99% in clubs so for us it will be a blow because this is going to last for a while and we could well lose 50% of them.

When it is finally over (whenever that may be) the swinger club world will look very different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed.

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By *lub F Co.DurhamCouple
over a year ago

Stanley


"Well very few restrictions have actually been lifted in Wuhan and 95% of the population did nit contract the disease 1st time so surely another wave is coming and isn't that how it's gonna go here - in waves?

China locked down completely as did Japan and Korea, virologists an scientists have maintained that this is not the best way to solve the crisis, because as and when the lockdown is lifted the virus will rear it's ugly head and they'll have a massive spike. The more gradually you bring in control measures the better chance you have of eradicating and controlling it, people will still get it but you are less likely to have the spikes and the pressure on the medical services is drip fed... Hope everyone is staying safe..."

what he said is dead right

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By *aven RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed."

You say you are keeping your opinion to yourself, then go on to voice it anyway. People aren't just worrying about clubs because they want to fuck. Clubs are some peoples livelihood. For some people it's their only place to socialise. The clubs are a community that look out and look after each other x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed."

Isn’t the point of a Forum to post opinions ? If it’s winding you up all this constant Corona talk then maybe just don’t look in that particular section of the forums ?

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed."

Wouldn’t be much of a forum if we didn’t express opinions....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed.

Wouldn’t be much of a forum if we didn’t express opinions.... "

We could all just state facts instead ? Then no one could disagree. The earth is round. Actually on second thoughts this might not work either ......

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Type in Flight Radar 24 and see how many planes are still in the air with their long confined bodies that take 320 people at a time with seating that arranges the nearest mouth to yours less than 2 meters away.

Some clubs will close simply because of financial viability problems - but when Restaurants, pubs, cinemas, nightclubs etc etc open again - so will the clubs.

Whether or not you go to them is up to you - but many will resume their favourite pastime when they feel - like many more - that it is safer to do so.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed.

Wouldn’t be much of a forum if we didn’t express opinions....

We could all just state facts instead ? Then no one could disagree. The earth is round. Actually on second thoughts this might not work either ......"
No opinions allowed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Other diseases didn't stop clubs being popular and used by many thousands world wide. If the clubs can ride out the next six months (unlikely unless they can get small business help from the government) then once the panic is over, people will still want to go to clubs. Aids didn't kill them off, nor increases in STDs. I bet they're are people who had colds and still went to the clubs before this. People have short memories and we're only in week one of a lockdown type situation. The tendency seems to be that people will think that they can survive it, hence the rush to the coast and the lake district and the seemingly endless consumer insanity.

Sex will always be a strong driving force so clubs will always thrive in better times. Maybe they're are things clubs can do for themselves to get through to the other side? We cast shows featuring couples who are drug isolating? Advanced reduced membership? Set up multichannel video links, like the chat rooms on here, only better quality?

I'm particularly irked as I've only just found someone to share this life style with and our next adventure was going to be HU9 until this kick in!

Doh!!

Matthew

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Other diseases didn't stop clubs being popular and used by many thousands world wide. If the clubs can ride out the next six months (unlikely unless they can get small business help from the government) then once the panic is over, people will still want to go to clubs. Aids didn't kill them off, nor increases in STDs. I bet they're are people who had colds and still went to the clubs before this. People have short memories and we're only in week one of a lockdown type situation. The tendency seems to be that people will think that they can survive it, hence the rush to the coast and the lake district and the seemingly endless consumer insanity.

Sex will always be a strong driving force so clubs will always thrive in better times. Maybe they're are things clubs can do for themselves to get through to the other side? We cast shows featuring couples who are drug isolating? Advanced reduced membership? Set up multichannel video links, like the chat rooms on here, only better quality?

I'm particularly irked as I've only just found someone to share this life style with and our next adventure was going to be HU9 until this kick in!

Doh!!

Matthew "

Similar situation to you Matthew. It is bugger, isn't it ??!! Medium to longer term view, the club movement will survive. Some individual clubs may go or need refinancing.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

"
all the chicnese have done is kept Everyone at home for three weeks they haven't beaten it it's still out there and as soon as people start to mix again it will rise again at this moment in time there is NO vaccine for covid 19 there are two outcomes atm if you catch it your immune system fights if off and you survive or you die it's that simple ! the only way to stop its spread is NOT TO MIX AT ALL something the great unwashed of this country have singularly shown over the weekend they are incapable and unwilling to do

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

all the chicnese have done is kept Everyone at home for three weeks they haven't beaten it it's still out there and as soon as people start to mix again it will rise again at this moment in time there is NO vaccine for covid 19 there are two outcomes atm if you catch it your immune system fights if off and you survive or you die it's that simple ! the only way to stop its spread is NOT TO MIX AT ALL something the great unwashed of this country have singularly shown over the weekend they are incapable and unwilling to do "

That is an unnecessary insult.... I resent it..

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? yes the clubs won't survive the shutdown looks like private rail companies are going under too so thats travel and sex out the window "

An odd place for both of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it will be a 50/50 split, some will and some won't. Clubs are increasingly having to compete with people who throw private parties and I think we'll see more of these when the dust settles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? yes the clubs won't survive the shutdown looks like private rail companies are going under too so thats travel and sex out the window

An odd place for both of them."
airborne

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

all the chicnese have done is kept Everyone at home for three weeks they haven't beaten it it's still out there and as soon as people start to mix again it will rise again at this moment in time there is NO vaccine for covid 19 there are two outcomes atm if you catch it your immune system fights if off and you survive or you die it's that simple ! the only way to stop its spread is NOT TO MIX AT ALL something the great unwashed of this country have singularly shown over the weekend they are incapable and unwilling to do

That is an unnecessary insult.... I resent it.."

Well, if you think the mass beachgoing etc at the weekend was clever, I can think of plenty more.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

No, just resent insults...... They are unnecessary and uncalled for. Just because someone is thrashing around on a keyboard does not excuse it...!!

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"No, just resent insults...... They are unnecessary and uncalled for. Just because someone is thrashing around on a keyboard does not excuse it...!!"

I really don’t see what was insulting - the pictures of people in parks and on beaches were plain evidence of public stupidity.

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By *lipperywhenwet07Couple
over a year ago

llanelli


"Or a better question is how many clubs will survive the enforced closure xxx"

Most I think one way or another- new ones will spring up as well

Some of the poorer set ups will disappear

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By *olden_Road_to_SamarkandMan
over a year ago

LONDON

You never know -more people my just meet in homes and hotels....

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

To me your reference to the "great unwashed" .. Maybe I am just super sensitive....?? Seemed unnecessary..

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Type in Flight Radar 24 and see how many planes are still in the air with their long confined bodies that take 320 people at a time with seating that arranges the nearest mouth to yours less than 2 meters away.

Some clubs will close simply because of financial viability problems - but when Restaurants, pubs, cinemas, nightclubs etc etc open again - so will the clubs.

Whether or not you go to them is up to you - but many will resume their favourite pastime when they feel - like many more - that it is safer to do so.

"

Agree with most of what you said. Wft flights, a lot of medicine, food, etc is carried by aircraft, so it isn’t all people, especially at the moment.

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By *picyminxWoman
over a year ago

Huntingdon

Maybe for some, maybe some will need to think of otherways of working to get their income in. Just gotta keep moving somehow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or a better question is how many clubs will survive the enforced closure xxx

Most I think one way or another- new ones will spring up as well

Some of the poorer set ups will disappear "

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"To me your reference to the "great unwashed" .. Maybe I am just super sensitive....?? Seemed unnecessary.."

I see "the great unwashed" as those who are unable to see the current situation, not a literal description of peoples lack of personal hyegiene!(sp?)

It`s a bit like Lady Godiva "riding naked on horseback" She wasn`t without clothes, but was "naked of her refinery" or ……… in disguise. But what a great story though!

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By *absFrenchGentMan
over a year ago

stafford

The clubs that will close down are more than likely to be the ones that should already be closed as they offer no ways at all or too little ways to be in a clean environment and that put people’s personal hygiene at the bottom of their list of priorities and things like that .

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By *absFrenchGentMan
over a year ago

stafford

But the shit holes that made money for years of scrubbers will stay open I’m afraid. But let’s hope they won’t as people can always be more responsible than ever and favour the really decent clubs

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By *atureMischiefCouple
over a year ago

Lutterworth


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? "

Far too early to tell but we certainly hope they survive the crisis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it will last a couple of years.

Either herd immunity or a developed vaccine will sort it before the end of the year I think.

Hopefully the good clubs will ride it out. Don't care about the bad clubs not re-opening."

We agree 100 percent

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x "

Think it will be late summer at the earliest before "entertainment" is open again.

Apart from CV calming measures there are other benefits to the Gov. by having entertainment shutdown. I was reading somewhere that one city A&E only had two patients on all of Saturday night, due to the pubs being shut.

I'm wondering if the Gov. might use this crisis as a way of bringing in some compulsory ID system, such as always having to carry a driving license etc ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x "

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longer

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longer"
yeah I know it's not going to be a short time.. but I dont meet outside of clubs.

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By *heCrowAndButterflyCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

It will inevitably be the end of some clubs, but am sure others may open in the place of these, as for how long 3 weeks is only the start, we will probably alternate between full and partial lockdown for a good few months, vaccine will probably be about a year away from effectiveness, if one is even found, if you listen to the message, it's still about protecting the NHS therefore they are still heading towards herd immunity, but in a staged approach, that's how I read it, it's not fact so please don't troll me

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Sounds reasonable to me...!!

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By *hrobberMan
over a year ago

North West

The club's are the same as gyms swimming pools cinemas cafes etc etc . All part of the entertainment game. This virus can be caught by sitting next to or excersize next another person . The difference is that we can reset the clock with most of the above by introducing measures to keep our distance going forward. Clubs are different in that way but inevitably it's down to the customers to decide long term that swinging is a game they want to play . Selling cigarettes from a supermarket will harm your health if you purchase and use them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longer"
a year maybe a year and a half i reckon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longera year maybe a year and a half i reckon "

Some club owners will have put some pennies away for a rainy day, some won't have. Some clubs will have rent to pay, others won't. Some clubs will reopen, some won't.

Clubs have been running for many years and where there is a demand new ventures will open to fill the need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longera year maybe a year and a half i reckon

Some club owners will have put some pennies away for a rainy day, some won't have. Some clubs will have rent to pay, others won't. Some clubs will reopen, some won't.

Clubs have been running for many years and where there is a demand new ventures will open to fill the need. "
true but like any businesses not just swingers clubs if you're not bringing the pennies in its gonna be tough

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longera year maybe a year and a half i reckon

Some club owners will have put some pennies away for a rainy day, some won't have. Some clubs will have rent to pay, others won't. Some clubs will reopen, some won't.

Clubs have been running for many years and where there is a demand new ventures will open to fill the need. true but like any businesses not just swingers clubs if you're not bringing the pennies in its gonna be tough "

Absolutely true. It's a shitty time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm hoping that it wont be to long before the clubs open x

I think it will be at least 3 months but probably alot longera year maybe a year and a half i reckon

Some club owners will have put some pennies away for a rainy day, some won't have. Some clubs will have rent to pay, others won't. Some clubs will reopen, some won't.

Clubs have been running for many years and where there is a demand new ventures will open to fill the need. true but like any businesses not just swingers clubs if you're not bringing the pennies in its gonna be tough

Absolutely true. It's a shitty time."
it is but health and well being is uppermost

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a positive mood this morning. Yes we all have to stay in and be safe but this time next year?

We will be saying "remember that coronavirus thing?"

Like I'm now thinking "who remembers Brexit?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm in a positive mood this morning. Yes we all have to stay in and be safe but this time next year?

We will be saying "remember that coronavirus thing?"

Like I'm now thinking "who remembers Brexit?" "

Hopefully but I will remind you that Brexit is far from over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm in a positive mood this morning. Yes we all have to stay in and be safe but this time next year?

We will be saying "remember that coronavirus thing?"

Like I'm now thinking "who remembers Brexit?" "
what is Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?"

At the moment, not really. But they will.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?"

The people that own and run the clubs.

It's their business and livelihood on hold. Also those who want to go back to clubs when all this is over.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

This is going to be a tough time for all clubs as none of us are really sure how long this will continue. I hope they all survive and come back better and stronger than before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?"
i care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?

The people that own and run the clubs.

It's their business and livelihood on hold. Also those who want to go back to clubs when all this is over."

I was referring to Brexit, not the club's!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But does anyone really care anymore, in the grand scheme of things?

The people that own and run the clubs.

It's their business and livelihood on hold. Also those who want to go back to clubs when all this is over.

I was referring to Brexit, not the club's! "
ahhhh what is Brexit are we not in Europe anymore i thought geographically we are in Europe

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By *adysilkCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"This is going to be a tough time for all clubs as none of us are really sure how long this will continue. I hope they all survive and come back better and stronger than before."

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Vicky...........Thanks for your very interesting insight. Really do wish you well also hope and trust that you come through it. To me one of the big problems is not knowing how long it could last....totally imponderable.

Best scenario: A wonder drug, vaccine appears in three months which totally closes the virus down.

Worst case Scenario: This drags on for years with sporadic out breaks that are difficult to contain. Certainly hope it is not this one..

BTW... Think you would be an interesting person to sit down with and have a chat with. Any topic, wouldn't have to be swinging related....

Best wishes Michael xx

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By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)


"It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton


"It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

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. As I said in a earlier posting on this thread.No one really knows how long this is going to last and I hope when this is over clubs will all survive and come back stronger.You as well as the clubs you have mentioned have invested a great deal of time , effort and money and you all deserve it to be a success.

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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

I agree. At least 18 months and if so, which club will still realistically be still around?

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over a year ago

harrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If as people are saying 18 months it's not just swinging clubs to worry about. What about pubs shops and factories, there will be no country or work left. So nobody will have any money to go to clubs, do folk really believe the government will sit back and let that happen. They will start to let people die before it gets that far.

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By *r an Mrs xMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

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of all the clubs that have a possibility to survive is townhouse Well run and run professionally . Having run a busy swingers club I know how small the margins are . We now run 4 venues in the hospitality trade . We’re looking at being closed for 4-6 months., luckily we quality for £100,000 of govt grants as all our premises pay full rates . When we open it will be busy as people will want to get out and party . The question is who has the deepest pockets to survive being closed for 6 months xx. Hopefully Vicky will pull a rabbit out the bag as they are a credit to swinging .....

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By *lub F Co.DurhamCouple
over a year ago

Stanley

What Townhouse said is absolutely right.

Alot has been said on here that is rubbish. What I find quite sad is people who say the poorer run clubs will close.

No one wants to close and everyone is at risk. Don't make this personal, its peoples livelihoods here and everyone is worried& scared.

When we come through this & the clubs that are still open, support them all you can, remember they are there for you, when you can come back, you be there for them.

To be honest I don't know if we will make it, we may,we may not, but we wont go down without a fight.

My landlady has refused to help, so far the utility companies are saying pay your bills, the insurance company still haven't decided..... help from the government has been promised and I for one think that help will be delivered, those who can hang on for it will, but some will just walk away sooner rather than later.

I hope we can weather the storm, I hope you all can weather the storm. Stay inside as much as you can and try and remain positive, its early days yet.

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By *r an Mrs xMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The help is £10,000 if you don’t pay rates and £25,000 if you do ... that’s it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could always do a virtual online club

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Could always do a virtual online club "

What, all fucking our own partners in isolation? Lol

Not really swinging! Haha

I like your thinking though xxx

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Club F...... Really hope your landlady has a change of heart. We will certainly know who are friends are after this...!!

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

of all the clubs that have a possibility to survive is townhouse Well run and run professionally . Having run a busy swingers club I know how small the margins are . We now run 4 venues in the hospitality trade . We’re looking at being closed for 4-6 months., luckily we quality for £100,000 of govt grants as all our premises pay full rates . When we open it will be busy as people will want to get out and party . The question is who has the deepest pockets to survive being closed for 6 months xx. Hopefully Vicky will pull a rabbit out the bag as they are a credit to swinging ..... "

Thanks Steve...we'll see hey? I may just take the opportunity to fuck this shit and go to Narnia! Haha

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I want to see all clubs survive. Even the “shit” ones. It’s someone’s and their staffs livelihood after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love to say it won’t be the end of them but unless the owners are very wealthy, no club is sustaining being closed for years

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I for one hope the clubs survive and unfortunately cant offer anything more than the promise that once open I will be hitting the clubs once again x

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By *iss ScherzzoWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I really hope this isn’t the end for any clubs. I hope the less people have to suffer cos of this the better. I just got the bug for clubbing (big thanks to Vicky & Townhouse) I have my fingers crossed this is over sooner rather than later. Much love to all x

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By *ldhillhotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Old Hill

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By *ldhillhotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Old Hill


"I want to see all clubs survive. Even the “shit” ones. It’s someone’s and their staffs livelihood after all. "

West Midlands benefit from a really good mix of clubs both in terms of members and set up. Each one serves a purpose/kink. I wouldn't want any to go bust either.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Best wishes to all Clubs, those of us who went to Clubs will go again when we are able. It must be very tough in the challenging times but we do appreciate what you have been doing and hopefully what we can all do together in the future. Keep safe.

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By *ipplebarnyMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

I think so long as swingers want to swing then there will be clubs I really hope the good clubs survive

There may be more private parties or even opportunities to invest in the clubs as share holders

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By *he RingmasterMan
over a year ago

Canford Cliffs

The needs of the cock will always seek to be fulfilled.

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By *pannerman1Man
over a year ago

Rugby's

Some will go into administration sadly,hopefully the owners buy them back for one pound in a pre pack deal and off we go again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some will go into administration sadly,hopefully the owners buy them back for one pound in a pre pack deal and off we go again."

That might not work particularly well for those who rent the building they use.

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By *pannerman1Man
over a year ago

Rugby's

The trading company owes the rent, its goes into administration, a new company buys the trade and assets (not liabilities) and continues. The landlord could still ask for higher rent or recoup old rent in return for a new lease. This is how business continues providing there is underlying demand for products and services.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The trading company owes the rent, its goes into administration, a new company buys the trade and assets (not liabilities) and continues. The landlord could still ask for higher rent or recoup old rent in return for a new lease. This is how business continues providing there is underlying demand for products and services."

Hence the use of the word might rather than won't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So true but let's hope many get through this!

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By *friendMan
over a year ago

Basildon


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

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Not entirely certain that is true.

No official statistics to confirm that statement at all.

Despite what Karen says...

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Our wonderful government will keep the restrictions on as long as it suits them, irrespective of scientific advice, restrictions will stay till long into next year I suspect, control what we do! I agree with the current time restrictions but it will be months or years before Boris will relax his control.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Not sure that I entirely agree. Yes politicians and authority have a habit of hanging on to controls once they have them. We must at all costs guard against that. Would be more worried if Corbyn had been in the top spot. Doris is by nature a libertarian....

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm hoping that clubs, like other small businesses, get appropriate government help, to keep them alive, until beyond the point that social restrictions end. People will return and value them more than beforehand. If restrictions stay in place for long enough, it would allow small businesses to be evaluated by government, as being well run, unlike many big businesses that offshore tax etc and thus don't invest in to our state services to the levels that smaller businesses do.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Our wonderful government will keep the restrictions on as long as it suits them, irrespective of scientific advice, restrictions will stay till long into next year I suspect, control what we do! I agree with the current time restrictions but it will be months or years before Boris will relax his control.

"

I'm not so sure the government will maintain restrictions against medical advice. They will want to start getting some money back into the coffers to start paying back the MASSIVE national debt and the best way of doing this is getting businesses running to pay tax and employees back into those businesses...to pay tax.

I think we will be in this position for a long time, but I doubt the government will drag it out longer than is necessary?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Its already well on its way out in china afterless than three months. It doesn't have to be years of permanent disruption if we follow the science based government advice.

"

No it's not it's just been contained due to extreme lock down.

And China definitely downplayed the amount of infected and dead.

Expect a rapid increase now they have eased up slightly with the lockdown. They had to contain it drastically look at the sheer volume of people living in China if even 25%, get sick that's a fuck load of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It will definitely mean the end of the road for some clubs and not necessarily the poorly run clubs.

I know a lot of our colleagues have used the first part of 2020 while it is 'quiet' to do refurbs, knowing that the coffers will be replenished in the spring/summer. This means that a lot of us have spent our contingency or savings already and have been left with very little. Look at the guys over at Le Boudoir who have recently moved to a brand new premises!!!! I know that the guys over at Xtasia have been doing loads of improvements and have been doing work on their B & B. We have just fully refurbished our entertainment lounge which cost a bomb! So this is hitting us all hard as it's just bad timing.

A lot of us rent our properties and landlords often rely on the income, so rental breaks aren't exactly a given. We all have bills that will continue to be taken regardless of being open or not; the ones I can negotiate, I have.

Insurance companies are being t*ats as predicted and are not paying out as most people don't take out 'pandemic cover'. So the tens of thousands of pounds we have paid in insurance premiums over the years may as well have been burned and used to heat the building!

We are no different to thousands of other businesses out there who have been forced to close and those who close are not necessarily the poorly run. Those that stay open may not be the best or well run. It's all so unknown and everyone's personal circumstances are different, so who knows?

We can continue for a while but not indefinitely, especially without the support of our insurance. Will I go into huge debt to keep the club going? No I won't. We've spent £55k on club improvements in the last 12 months, so it would be hard to walk away, but these are unprecedented times and sometimes you need to know when to just stop and walk away. We are nowhere near this yet, but my point is that all clubs will have their own break point depending on personal circumstance.

This whole thing has taught me a lot about people and customers. The insights I have read on Fab during the limbo period and then closure period have been interesting and very enlightening; some have made me want to walk away now. Some have been very heart warming indeed. I feel like I now know who are real friends are and who are loyal customers are. I have pretty much figured out who use us for what they can get and those who have our best interests at heart. Funny how a disaster like this can be so poignant and it will definitely change how we move forward if we do indeed open again.

Vicky xx

"

A dose of reality from a very wise woman. When we come through the other side of this, there will be opportunities to make a living again. Will that be in the form of clubs? I personally do not think so, but also pubs, clubs and nightclubs either.

Like everything in life we have to evolve. Let's just hope people get the opportunity to do so.

The guy who said this could go on for a year, year and a half may not be wrong.

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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

I think it may have been me who mentioned 18 months at best. How will social distancing be "eased" in the next couple of years with the infection still spreading which it has to. Restrictions look like being in place until October at least according to today's news. A vaccine in the next 18 months is unfortunately a pipe dream?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"Our wonderful government will keep the restrictions on as long as it suits them, irrespective of scientific advice, restrictions will stay till long into next year I suspect, control what we do! I agree with the current time restrictions but it will be months or years before Boris will relax his control.

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In this instance them I would expect to see a rise in people throwing their own parties (in the absence of clubs or adult venues) in their own homes or in rented venues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed.

Wouldn’t be much of a forum if we didn’t express opinions....

We could all just state facts instead ? Then no one could disagree. The earth is round. Actually on second thoughts this might not work either ......No opinions allowed"

My god that’s big! (Opinion )

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By *erialswingersCouple
over a year ago

Widnes

Personally ourselves we wouldn’t mind even as a couple paying an extra £10 / £20 on our 1st entry back to any club as stated on here every one is in the same boat apart from the whole nation that are not swingers (yet) lol but in respect to the club owners and keeping them running and doing our best to help keep our weekend nights out open instead of going out around a normal town possibly being in the middle of trouble for no fault of our own but it happens where as in a club you don’t see trouble or argueing everyone is nice friendly and none judging us as a community could help by doing or giving that extra £10 / £20 on our 1st nights back out doing what we all enjoy and show our hosts and club owners we appreciate what they do and how they keep our clubs running ps just an idea not a given people stay safe and hope we can all return to our lives as normal soon xx

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!!

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

*bit better*

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!! "

When you open I think I shall bring all my friends who have kept saying they should come visit you to visit....

Really am rooting for you and all the clubs to be Fair... as a life long club goer

.. I'm so missing you all right now x

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By *aven RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!! "

Be positive!!! You have such loyal customers and a great reputation. I'll definitely be attending more x

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By *he Naughty PineappleCouple
over a year ago

Leicester


"Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!! "

Positive thinking is the best way to be or we'll crumble

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By *usty KnightMan
over a year ago

Istanbul

Butt better, joking aside these guys run a fantastic club , the best , and I look forward to supporting them in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the government has strongly hinted today ‘social distancing’ is likely to be in place in some form until September it’s probably right to say a lot of establishments may be forced to go as they will be the last places allowed to re-open their doors alongside mainstream clubs etc.

The reality is the premises will stay, come a return to normality we may just see new names, new owners and a few of the originals who can ride out the storm through financial support and savings.

It will be a big change in landscape I’m sure but not the end of the club scene.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!! "

Exactly this...

I have a number of adult industry friends who have likewise seen their ‘trade’ disappear overnight, all of them have had to look at what they considered ‘insignificant’ details within their business. It is an opportunity, look at your digital offering, your comms, past events and the figures they’ve taken etc... it’s the ultimate opportunity to streamline, strengthen and innovate to make a good business even stronger when normality returns.

For what it’s worth I hope you and your team are good, hang tough and when you do re-open Ms Grace will definitely be spending some £’s in your gin bar xxx

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By *iss ScherzzoWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Well this time has been a great detox for us! Besides being worried about the future like most of us and ensuring the club ticks along, we have been looking at the club objectively.

We have been going through all aspects of how it operates, how it presented, how it is represented, what our members get from the clubs and the behind the scenes processes.

WHEN we open (see, positiviteeee lol) we will be putting new stuff in place to make our customer experience that but better and changing some of our logistics which means that we can concentrate more on the important things rather than the tedious admin and accounting.

So from the awful crisis, we have had time, for the first time in years to really pull apart the business and be truly objective.

Looking forward to opening asap!! "

Love the positivity. Trust me. You are loved and missed. Get our names down for reopening party xx

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

My local preserved railway has already done a mail shot to all of it`s members with the begging hat out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once the number of serious cases being admitted to hospital levels off and starts to decrease then in our opinion will the lock down start to be relaxed. There is no way any country can afford to assist financially its population for months and months certainly the uk cant...coronovirus like the flu will flare up time to time in unexposed areas it's now a fact of life you cant totally eradicate the world of it. It's more a case of herd immunity and a medical system that can cope with and smaller reoccurring outbreaks as it does with seasonal flu.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Think you sum the situation pretty well. Think longer term vaccination may become important if they can find one that is effective.. will need some trials. Reckon some pretty powerful brains are working on that one !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Once the number of serious cases being admitted to hospital levels off and starts to decrease then in our opinion will the lock down start to be relaxed. There is no way any country can afford to assist financially its population for months and months certainly the uk cant...coronovirus like the flu will flare up time to time in unexposed areas it's now a fact of life you cant totally eradicate the world of it. It's more a case of herd immunity and a medical system that can cope with and smaller reoccurring outbreaks as it does with seasonal flu."

I would suggest the local authorities might have something to say about clubs that operate with a sexual entertainment license. Of course each individual council will make up there own minds but I think it's pretty obvious that swingers clubs aren't exactly going to win any council any public relations prizes. Not forgetting that allowing clubs to opening up to soon would be a gift to the press..

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By *urious786Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

COVID19 will peak on summer!!

Second wave is inevitable!!

Vaccines are miles away

These lockdown (we are really not locked down)

Will and should last a year or more

To delay the spread

So considering the above. I believe clubs will find extremely difficult to be on the business.

Does not matter how good the club is/ or the reputation, every club has their own financial/ Running costs.

So my opinion all the clubs will be here but We may see change of ownership/ management that’s what most likely to happen

If I’m a club owner I would sell the club rather than closing it !!!

salvage some losses so the club can exist for future swingers

But it’s a long shot as not many investors to invest on clubs

So all we can do is

Say our opinions/ thoughts and _oan about it

Ranjan

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Not too sure where you are living but here in Britain we have a "lockdown", well was last time a looked. Sure hope you are wrong with your predictions....

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Not too sure where you are living but here in Britain we have a "lockdown", well was last time a looked. Sure hope you are wrong with your predictions...."

We're not locked down as much as other countries, Mike, let's be fair.

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By *urious786Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Well

I hope I’m wrong with prediction

And that’s ok,

And I born and living in Great Britain

This is not lockdown and not even close to a lockdown

A lockdown

You cannot leave your house for any reason

All the shops must be closed no exceptions

Only police/ army/ ambulance is allowed

Now that’s a lockdown.

What we have here is a joke

Proper lockdown must be imposed otherwise our (British) death toll will exceed Italy and Spain

But this virus not going anywhere for a long time

That’s for sure and the reason

No one knows the source of this virus

But plenty of speculations and theories that’s all we have

One more thing

COVID19 is much weaker than SARS and MERS

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By *roused and excitedCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Oh I hope Quest survives! It's our only chance to meet and play and we just love it.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land


"Well

I hope I’m wrong with prediction

And that’s ok,

And I born and living in Great Britain

This is not lockdown and not even close to a lockdown

A lockdown

You cannot leave your house for any reason

All the shops must be closed no exceptions

Only police/ army/ ambulance is allowed

Now that’s a lockdown.

What we have here is a joke

Proper lockdown must be imposed otherwise our (British) death toll will exceed Italy and Spain

But this virus not going anywhere for a long time

That’s for sure and the reason

No one knows the source of this virus

But plenty of speculations and theories that’s all we have

One more thing

COVID19 is much weaker than SARS and MERS

"

I'm genuinely confused as to how a complete lock down for a year will help, either economically or in the health of the nation?

No matter how long a lock down, as society begins to resocialise; then yes the covid19 virus can and probably will carry on, in larger numbers of infection rates.

However thousands of people already had covid19 and potentially have some immunity.

Even if there's no immunity from having it, having had it already, I can say I am prepared to socialise even at the risk of getting it again.

Utterly destroying the economy for generations to come and isolating people for excessive amounts of time benefits whom?

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By *lumbercoupleCouple
over a year ago

Vera Playa

Clubs will probably have to be one of the last business to reopen

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Hey.....Mod, thanks for the positive view. Yes, there will be life after the Virus, lets make it a decent one...!!

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By *urious786Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Hi

Yes I understand your point and agree with you

But there is no other alternative or solutions for this

As countries around the globe are struggling too.

When it comes to health and wealth

I prefer and will pick better health

If we have a healthy country we can build a healthier and stronger economy

For everyone in this country

Example

More healthy NHS staff we have the more lives they can save because they are healthy enough to put the hard work to save mine and yours

And we owe that to them.

And I don’t think any country can move forward or grow the economy with an ongoing pandemic

This pandemic is much smaller than WW1, WW2 and Spanish flue

UK recovered from all that and so will

We need to have some sort of immune to COVID19 but at what price ? Oh That’s the question we are answering now counting the dead.

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool

If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx"

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'll be back at pleasures as soon as it's safe xx

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

can i ask? i know we all go for annual flu jabs, but how many die from flu and nurovirus (is that the winter vomiting one?)

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries "

Well you best get praying for a miracle...or a vaccine pretty damn quick! hahaha xx

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"can i ask? i know we all go for annual flu jabs, but how many die from flu and nurovirus (is that the winter vomiting one?)

"

around 640000 people a year die of flu and around 200000 of norovirus x

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries

Well you best get praying for a miracle...or a vaccine pretty damn quick! hahaha xx"

I'm hoping this isn't an ominous comment

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries

Well you best get praying for a miracle...or a vaccine pretty damn quick! hahaha xx

I'm hoping this isn't an ominous comment "

Nahhh...just having a giggle! Realistically though, if the powers that be decide to be awkward and postpone our opening indefinitely, then we will need to pay our bills and will have to open as something else. Doesn't mean we can be Townhouse again in the future. It's all if's but's and maybe's isn't it? Who knows? xx

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries

Well you best get praying for a miracle...or a vaccine pretty damn quick! hahaha xx

I'm hoping this isn't an ominous comment

Nahhh...just having a giggle! Realistically though, if the powers that be decide to be awkward and postpone our opening indefinitely, then we will need to pay our bills and will have to open as something else. Doesn't mean we can be Townhouse again in the future. It's all if's but's and maybe's isn't it? Who knows? xx"

OK, we rest easy in our dressed down clobber, champing at the ball gag to get out and about

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"I don't think it will last a couple of years.

Either herd immunity or a developed vaccine will sort it before the end of the year I think.

Hopefully the good clubs will ride it out. Don't care about the bad clubs not re-opening."

They still haven't got a vaccine for COVID-2 (SARS virus).

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land


"Hi

Yes I understand your point and agree with you

But there is no other alternative or solutions for this

As countries around the globe are struggling too.

When it comes to health and wealth

I prefer and will pick better health

If we have a healthy country we can build a healthier and stronger economy

For everyone in this country

Example

More healthy NHS staff we have the more lives they can save because they are healthy enough to put the hard work to save mine and yours

And we owe that to them.

And I don’t think any country can move forward or grow the economy with an ongoing pandemic

This pandemic is much smaller than WW1, WW2 and Spanish flue

UK recovered from all that and so will

We need to have some sort of immune to COVID19 but at what price ? Oh That’s the question we are answering now counting the dead.

"

You pick health

During an excessively long lockdown how do we protect the mental health and wellbeing of our NHS staff & the population (specifically the vunerable).

Maybe I'm just more optimistic.

Thousands already have had covid19 so herd immunity will continue with or without lockdown.

Many companies have started making ventilators and innovations such as the breathing mask (one to be used for people whom don't need full ventiliation) are already designed.

The NHS got thousands of offers from volunteers, there's Nightingale in London good to go from the end of this week and other sites (manchester, Cardif, Glasgow) in the planning also.

We started social isolation to flatten the curve and not crash The NHS.

We've already increased The ability of the NHS

The country and indeed the world are cooperating to find a vaccine and hopefully to look to protect the societies for potential future covid-20 or what ever they call the next one.

I'm concerned about the death rate yes, I'm concerned for our vulnerable in society also. I just don't think a year of lockdown is viable.

People are society based.

Clubs like many other business and individuals are going to feel this in their pocket or purse for a long time to come but let's try and support them emotionally now and if we can financially when life begins to return to what it was before social isolation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

But, but, but, we need to pop our Townhouse cherries

Well you best get praying for a miracle...or a vaccine pretty damn quick! hahaha xx

I'm hoping this isn't an ominous comment

Nahhh...just having a giggle! Realistically though, if the powers that be decide to be awkward and postpone our opening indefinitely, then we will need to pay our bills and will have to open as something else. Doesn't mean we can be Townhouse again in the future. It's all if's but's and maybe's isn't it? Who knows? xx"

Very wise Vicky. You need to make money and if it means repurposing for a while then so be it.

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By *urious786Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

I agree with you

But things Are changing

Society is changing

People are changing

We need to support everyone we can, that if we could , but there will be a point (breaking)

But as long as we have HOPE

It’s just not for The clubs (HOPE) for everyone and everything

Hard times ahead

Stay safe c

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle


"Well

I hope I’m wrong with prediction

And that’s ok,

And I born and living in Great Britain

This is not lockdown and not even close to a lockdown

A lockdown

You cannot leave your house for any reason

All the shops must be closed no exceptions

Only police/ army/ ambulance is allowed

Now that’s a lockdown.

What we have here is a joke

Proper lockdown must be imposed otherwise our (British) death toll will exceed Italy and Spain

But this virus not going anywhere for a long time

That’s for sure and the reason

No one knows the source of this virus

But plenty of speculations and theories that’s all we have

One more thing

COVID19 is much weaker than SARS and MERS

"

So just out of interest, are you practising the extreme lockdown right now that you advocate above ?

If not why not ?

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By *omerset tvTV/TS
over a year ago

Weston-super-Mare

I feel sorry for the people who have lost their income i guess im sort of lucky at mo still working my normal hours and the company letting us do as much overtime as we want at mo. Also they have just given us a pay rise and cus there isnt alot of traffic around my journey time too and from work is greatly reduced at mo

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx"

As always you take a very practical pragmatic view, probably why you are still around in business.

Just going to add my five pen'eth..

This virus and the situation it has created is truly terrifying.

Now comes the "however" and a big one.

Humans are wired to crave intimacy in all its myriad forms. It is in our DNA, it is with us in our mother's womb, you can't be much more intimate than that!!

It is why we as a species are able to procreate. The arrival of some poxy little virus is not going to be able to undo what is innate inside us and has been since we emerged as homo sapiens and even before that.

Yes, people will hold back and evaluate the situation but in the end humanity will return to wanting intimacy. It will NOT spend the rest of time 2 metres apart!! It just will not happen. Folk will start to tentatively reach out to each other and the old ways will return. Our DNA ensures it.

Clubs will be back.

The very best to you and yours....

Stay healthy, happy and sane...

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

Wouldnt effect us, we dont do clubs anymore, cattle markets lol

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By *oAnCouple
over a year ago

Streatham


"can i ask? i know we all go for annual flu jabs, but how many die from flu and nurovirus (is that the winter vomiting one?)

around 640000 people a year die of flu and around 200000 of norovirus x"

We live in a world filled with risks, the cost of eliminating all risk is too high.

You are right about the death from flu, there are 1.6 million road accidents worldwide but we take the risk of still driving cars, TB deaths are about the same 1.6 million a year and we can vaccinate as well as a 6 month treatment that is available but yet the risk of death is still there.

SARS had a vaccine that was available after 22 months but yet hasn't past trials and that was in 2004, still no vaccine against HIV, chances of a vaccine available soon are slim.

In May 1997, a 3-year-old boy developed what at first seemed like the common cold. When his symptoms—sore throat, fever, and cough—persisted for six days, he was taken to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Hong Kong. (HK hadn't been handed over to the Chinese Communists yet) There his cough worsened, and he began gasping for air. Despite intensive care, the boy died. The chief virologist decided to ship some of the sample to colleagues in other countries. The results eventually confirmed that this was a variant of influenza, the virus that has killed more people than any in history. But this type had never before been seen in humans. It was H5N1, or “avian flu,” discovered two decades prior, but known only to infect birds. Now it had made the jump to humans. Those who got it became manifestly, extremely ill. H5N1 has a fatality rate of about 60 percent—if you get it, you’re likely to die. We keep this virus in check by killing birds as soon as an outbreak occurs.

The bigger problem is:

Never before in human history have we shut down the worlds market.

Never before have governments been able to scare their populations into doing what it wants and this will have a repercussion.

There were problems in the world economy before this virus happened with central bankers having little to play with to get markets moving - this too will be a problem in a few months time.

The fat Lady still hasn't sung as she is in quarantine.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"Wouldnt effect us, we dont do clubs anymore, cattle markets lol"

Maybe you were just going to the wrong Club?

I found people to be very friendly, sociable, no pressure to do anything more.

Some even only went along for the social side of things and only played privately.

Definitely not a cattle market!

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By *urious786Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Hi

Yes We are

Till end of this week after that back to work

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By *ung hiMan
over a year ago

Northwest

Also bear in mind, how much bacteria in club there is,

It's dark we all can't see it..

Who knows

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"Also bear in mind, how much bacteria in club there is,

It's dark we all can't see it..

Who knows "

Are you saying the clubs don't get cleaned?

I'm sure the club owners and staff will have something to say about that!

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"Also bear in mind, how much bacteria in club there is,

It's dark we all can't see it..

Who knows "

Yoda, you are lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People need to stop posting opinions. i have am opinion on Covid, but i now keep it to myself. I am in the highest vulnerable group awaiting my call/letter from the Government/Nhs..

if clubs close they close. Surely you would rather peoples health than the chance to fuck someones wife in a hot tub. That resuls have shown to be germ and bacteria filled. Clubs closing in advance of the Government warnings should be applauded for doing so. Any staying open are just down right selfish and doing it for greed.

You say you are keeping your opinion to yourself, then go on to voice it anyway. People aren't just worrying about clubs because they want to fuck. Clubs are some peoples livelihood. For some people it's their only place to socialise. The clubs are a community that look out and look after each other x"

Yes agreed, they are great places to meet like minded people face to face, have a drink and a chat and a dance. I wonder if that person who said that above has ever been to one.

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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

Absolutely. Anyone thinking otherwise is I'm afraid totally deluded. There is no exit strategy so any suggestions ( vaccine a big if and at best 18 months?) for one?

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By *ung hiMan
over a year ago

Northwest

* never said owners don't clean*

Just Bacteria around can't see

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle


"* never said owners don't clean*

Just Bacteria around can't see"

Can you normally see bacteria ?

If not, how do you know where it is or where it isn't ?

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over a year ago

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"* never said owners don't clean*

Just Bacteria around can't see"

If cleaned properly there won't be any bacteria.

More bacteria and dirt on money, touchscreens, supermarket trolleys. That's why supermarkets are cleaning trolley handles as you go in.

The Chinese government is disinfecting money and quarantining it.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"* never said owners don't clean*

Just Bacteria around can't see

Can you normally see bacteria ?

If not, how do you know where it is or where it isn't ?"

If there is a lot of bacteria you can swab test for it maybe even smell or see it if it's really bad.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? "
no I dont think so. They wont keep pubs etc closed for the next few years or gyms.. so clubs will open when they do I would imagine

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By *ownhouseTwosomeCouple
over a year ago

Birkenhead/Liverpool


"If we can't open as a swingers club, we will open as something else. Time for lateral thinking and creativity! I won't be beaten by COVID!!!! hahaha xx

As always you take a very practical pragmatic view, probably why you are still around in business.

Just going to add my five pen'eth..

This virus and the situation it has created is truly terrifying.

Now comes the "however" and a big one.

Humans are wired to crave intimacy in all its myriad forms. It is in our DNA, it is with us in our mother's womb, you can't be much more intimate than that!!

It is why we as a species are able to procreate. The arrival of some poxy little virus is not going to be able to undo what is innate inside us and has been since we emerged as homo sapiens and even before that.

Yes, people will hold back and evaluate the situation but in the end humanity will return to wanting intimacy. It will NOT spend the rest of time 2 metres apart!! It just will not happen. Folk will start to tentatively reach out to each other and the old ways will return. Our DNA ensures it.

Clubs will be back.

The very best to you and yours....

Stay healthy, happy and sane..."

Thank you...

I hate to say it, but sex sells. Regardless of an International catastrophe, people will always want sex. Most of us are on here, maintaining connections with people who are all lovers of sex, because we hope to make physical connections once again in the future.

Once everything is settled and people regain confidence in sharing intimate spaces, clubs will be back in action.

Until then, we still have business overheads and our own bills to pay, so if it's looking like a long haul until clubs are allowed to open, then it's onto plan B. If plan B doesn't work, then Plan C.

I've done my wallowing and worrying over this. It's time to give my head a wobble and plan for all eventualities!

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By *lade10000Man
over a year ago

Wiltshire


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years? "

Where do you get your 'facts' from? Please don't spread un-informed alarm.

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over a year ago


"Bearing in mind the fact that this virus isn't going anywhere over the next couple of years, is it the end of swinging clubs for at least the next few years?

Where do you get your 'facts' from? Please don't spread un-informed alarm. "
you're awfully easily alarmed

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By *jloversCouple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

I would think they are using the time to fix things, maybe some decorating also paperwork and having some time to rest to then get ready for the out of lockdown party. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always look on the bright side of life mmmm clubs will come back

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By *asIsa OP   Couple
over a year ago

harrow

By all accounts including top scientists, virologists etc in the world, I'm sure you have heard that this virus is going nowhere in the next few years . It's how we attack and 'live' with it that is critical (vaccine and/ or herd immunity). Where do you get any facts to dispute these people? Would love to know your thinking and exit strategy t

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By *oungguyxxx100Man
over a year ago

Sheffield and Maidstone

TBF I recon it'll become like the flu people will all have a certain immunity at some point. Compareing it with other countries it seems like hopefully things might start getting back to normal on and off june sort of time

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


"I would think they are using the time to fix things, maybe some decorating also paperwork and having some time to rest to then get ready for the out of lockdown party. X"
I know this is what my local club is currently doing x

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